More Rifles
- Watch for four Chicago aldermen — all former cops — to pull the trigger so more police officers can use military-style assault rifles since the shooting of two on-duty Deering District police officers on Tuesday night.
Sneed has learned the cadre of aldermen not only want more Chicago Police to be able to use so-called carbines and long guns but will urge the City Council, if necessary, to appropriate funds to authorize the hiring of retired Chicago cops and federal agents to be trained as instructors.
"Assault rifles"? If only! Typical media ignorance on guns.
But even if a rifle had been available, how would it have assisted during this most recent shooting? You can't really maneuver a rifle inside of a vehicle effectively. Firing it inside a closed vehicle would pretty much end your career as a ham radio operator. This is a political ploy in search of a problem and as usual, the politicians get it wrong.
Yes, we need more long guns on the street. Yes, training schedules suck and it's damn near impossible to get into a class without a phone call and advance notice. Yes, we have no outdoor range that might facilitate training. We've covered all this for years. Even the DOJ noted that training falls far below acceptable standards - it's a political problem. It needs to be addressed.
But tying it this shooting is just silly.
But even if a rifle had been available, how would it have assisted during this most recent shooting? You can't really maneuver a rifle inside of a vehicle effectively. Firing it inside a closed vehicle would pretty much end your career as a ham radio operator. This is a political ploy in search of a problem and as usual, the politicians get it wrong.
Yes, we need more long guns on the street. Yes, training schedules suck and it's damn near impossible to get into a class without a phone call and advance notice. Yes, we have no outdoor range that might facilitate training. We've covered all this for years. Even the DOJ noted that training falls far below acceptable standards - it's a political problem. It needs to be addressed.
But tying it this shooting is just silly.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
82 Comments:
The .223 Remington round is a joke. We need to up-grade to a .308 Winchester (AR-10). We have to keep up with trends, not match the gangs but, out gun the thugs.
Even if they had a rifle it wouldn't have done a damm thing because it would have been locked away in the rear of the car. What the department should do is have an overtime time initiative for rifle operators who possess their own. Deploy them to certain high violence areas, downtown, or airports and have them at the ready with their rifle. The weapon is not effective if it's locked away. Carbine officers should be carrying the weapon watching the backs of officers at the jobs, stops, etc. As far as getting trained, just be patient. It will happen. Very few officers want to get certified.
Even if we get the rifles so what??? They get locked in the back and there so much you have to do before they unlock and that's if the damn locks work! In a real emergency, you won't be able to get back there and take it out. They need to be upfront and center! If they allow us to attach suppressors we won't have to deal with hearing damage.
There needs to be a outdoor range and a simulated city block converted to an outdoor training facility. All the open and empty land around this city and we have no outdoor training facility
Ill isn't going to change the law so the CPD can get a Shore Barrel Rifle.
But a 12 - 10 in Barrel on an AR would be nice.
As I posted in another thread about carbines still stands :
The ONLY REASON the program was ever established was when Little King Richie thought it would help him land the Olympics. Once that fell through the reason for the carbine program passed.
Since the City lacks the bells to make a command decision and decisively kill it, they just walk away and let it die.
Nothing has changed.
Also: if anyone joins the program, you will purchase the weapon with your own funds. Along with ammo and accessories. You will train on your own time and at your own expense.
Then when you retire you will be informed that you are no longer legally allowed to possess the weapon in Cook County. And that you must remove or sell the weapon.
Training... what do we have?
Check out the College of DuPage Homeland Security Training Center.
You can drive vehicles onto the 50 place shooting range.
They have a 300 degree video shooting simulator .
A fully functional drive on street scene simulator.
http://www.cod.edu/hsti/facilities.aspx
Dummies trying to waste more $. How about getting efficient with what you already have?
I thought those big bad black rifles were racist?
Imagine those dope aldermen knowing police have the omg assault rifle lol.
In the interests of safety, maybe it is better if every officer does not have access to a long gun.
Michael Reese. It's already paid for by our tax dollars. Build a police academy and a state of the art indoor 75 yard range like they have at the college of DuPage Homeland Security Institute. More than enough of land there. The politicians should quit blowing hot air and get to it.
Rifles? Uh, don't you get uniform checks for buying uniforms and equipment? Want a rifle? Buy your own..
We don't have an outdoor range because the tree huggers killed it on the far southeast side. We do have a nice golf course though. Maybe coppers should start carrying nine irons. FORE!
Good idea.....Wrong motivation.
Where will they be kept/
Doesn't the very sight of long guns cause anxiety to certain elements of our fair city?
Isn't this the city that refused to allow loaded weapons to be visible in the airports after 9/11?
Perhaps they can be locked in the aldercreature's office until needed and released only after an emergency meeting of the city council
The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
You guys need the mossberg shockwave shotguns google it and u will understand
"So-called carbines"?? Kinda like how Sneed works for a "so-called newspaper."
The definition is the definition. When you don't know shit about a topic, educate yourself or STFU. But this is standard practice for the fake news media.
Bull pups or AR/AK/ pistols or SBR's You can get all of these chambered in 7.62x39 for a little more pop than that 5.56x45 glorified .22. Also,someone is making a bull pup stock for the Hi-point .45 cal rifle. and soon to be available 20 rd. magazines for the .45 round. Say what you will about Hi-point rifles, but they are damn accurate and operate flawlessly. Not to mention inexpensive. Ugly maybe, but the bull pup looks better.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the interests of safety, maybe it is better if every officer does not have access to a long gun.
5/05/2017 03:07:00 AM
This is typical in CPD, there are coppers who work hard to be proficient in the use of firearms and then there are the one's above writing safety issues to prevent our department from arming us with the right tools. Remember the shotguns, some took it out and others who were afraid of the shotgun for whatever reason, causing that fine weapon in our arsenal to be removed. Now the same types are interfering with the posses once again. It would be better if every officer who does not want to have access to a long gun, to not be part of the training in the safe use of this weapon. Also bring back the department shotguns.
Back in the day, all the Tact teams were bussed to Great Lakes Naval station for training with the mini-14 and shotgun and usually it was in January. We never saw either one when we got back to the districts, but they looked good locked up in the W/C'S OFFICE.
Give them to vets at the front of the line. They already know the weapon. We don't need college kids running around with them.
LMAO!! The key words here are FUND and HIRING. Are you kidding me? "Appropriate funds" so that you, corrupted politicians, can steal it? Just like these non stop road constructions because you have to justify your money spending every year and make your self rich?!? Please, stop pretending that you care about us.
Rifles are being secured in our cars. Rifles are good for active shooter situation. Not for ambush type incident. I'm carbine trained, keeping my qualification up to date for years, but, I'd prefer to use my sidearm in worse case scenarios. I'm not perfect. But, a few of the officers on this job doesn't deserve to carry any sidearm. And you want to arm them with rifle? Didn't the public said that they don't want to see us carrying these "military type rifles" because it scares them?
Does the CPD not have Veterans recently off active duty that can train the officers? Spent 12 years in as an 11B with multiple combat tours, surely there are a few like this in the CPD. As for firing inside the vehicle, yeah, it was loud but, for many of us, at the time, it was do or die and we really didn't notice the decibels at the time.
The 5.56 round isn't a knock-down round as stated above. We could however carry much more ammo using 5.56 than .308. Out initial problem with using the 5.56 was the scum bags, sub humans we were tracking down didn't wear body armor so our 'green tip' rounds were just punching right through with minimal damage. The good ole ball round solved this issue. Tough choice b/t .308 and 5.56, depends on the mission. Clearing a mud hut the 5.56 provided less recoil and a smaller flash. We were trained to put multiple rounds in the target so aside from the above, didn't have much of an issue with the 5.56. One caveat, the scums that were doped up (read PCP here) could take some 5.56 rounds and keep coming. Usually though, our over watch would dispatch this problem with the reliable .308/7.62 round.
Visiting Chicago in a week, love the City, hate what's happening to y'all.
War Eagle.
Like Chicago weather, this opinion will change in a few moments. Don't get too excited kiddies.
They can do the whole class in indoor ranges but the pre-Madonna range instructors said that it hurts their ears that's why they want to go outside and have a nice field trip doing it .
They want warm , soft police. They want police with rifles. They are full of shit. Know this.... you fire off a round and every lawyer in cook county phone will blow up.they don't want police appearing like soldiers. " you all think we are animals"" you all must be afraid with those rifles". Ever ask to sign out a shotgun? Sitting around covered with dust and filled with paper and skittles ? Come on!
Just remember if you buy your own big Ed wrote a GO saying you have two weeks to get rid of it after you retire. Now whether or not someone was afraid to spell out to him, like his 5yo grand kid, that retiree's are now longer bound by GO's I have no doubt THEY are going to grab it should they get 1/2 a chance.
So think about that one before you spend $1,500 on a rifle and scope. Maybe its easier, safer, and cheaper, just to drive 20 mph to the job. Or you could use the POS's they hand out and hope it fires and nobody has played with the sights.
"""Even if we get the rifles so what??? They get locked in the back and there so much you have to do before they unlock and that's if the damn locks work! In a real emergency, you won't be able to get back there and take it out. They need to be upfront and center! If they allow us to attach suppressors we won't have to deal with hearing damage. """
Yeah I can remember some nights I'd have to check 4 cars to find one that has a working rack. Then other coppers wouldnt want to switch cars so we could get a rifle on the street so I'd be left in the parking lot with my finger up my ass. Go to the Watch CMDR and he looks at you like your nuts. Finally I said "fuck it" and just let the qualification Lapse.
Well what do you expect from an outfit that promotes by clout and test cheating?
Agree with everything in this article. They would not have helped in this situation. However, every Officer on the street should have an AR-15 if they want one and have the training. The firearms used by criminals these days are not the cheap pieces of crap of years gone by, too many dirtbags are walking around with high quality, high capacity semi-auto firearms and they won't hesitate to use them. And they're starting to use rifles!
A trained Police Officer with an AR-15 and a few 30 round magazines could end any fight a dirtbag wished to engage in. But weapons security, always a high priority, would have to be stepped up even more.
The rifle wouldn't be the answer in every shooting situation, but it would give the Police Officers on the street another option. More options are always better for the Officer. And don't forget the night vision scopes, they're great!
Liberal democrats would shit bricks and squall and bawl like tom cats but law abiding citizens (most anyway) would not be alarmed at seeing a Police Officer with a rifle. Most of these people see whats on the news and a lot understand what is not being shown in the media.
J.J.
Does anyone remember the shotguns? Locked in the trunk. Don't take them out as they intimidated people. Same shit, different weapon.
These weapons are not meant to be used or fired from inside a police cruiser. These weapons are locked and secured in the back of the police cruiser. By the time you exit the police cruiser, and walk to retrieve the weapon; you are already in danger of being killed or wounded. These weapons NEED to be within arms reach to be effective.
Fuck the powers to be
First of all check this site as mentioned earlier " http://www.cod.edu/hsti/facilities.aspx " . Our training in CPD is garbage compared to other Departments, now these goofballs are talking about getting more long guns out to PO's. What a fucking joke this administration is, these 16' inch barrels are useless and especially the locking mechanisms in these squad cars. If they work of course and believe me no boss is going to down a car because the gun lock is inoperable. Going back to the barrel length, these goofball instructors ever even work the street, try going inside a fuckin residence or a building in the ghetto to clear it or try maneuvering inside the squad car with these long barrel rifles. This ain't the fuckin academy or especially when you're not wearing all you're gear. When was even the last time that a lot of these so called rifle instructors worked the streets. And we are forgetting the most important thing "Body Armour" these vests we have will not stop a 5.56 or 7.62 cal., it'll go in and out like Swiss cheese. Were is the money for rifle plates, other departments already have their officers covered, you telling me that a big city like Shitcago can't afford it, "sarcasm" bottom line this shit show will be behind me in 3 more years, god willing. I could go on and on but I'm tired of typing.
Be safe out there brothers and sisters in blue and be careful the politicos and many white shirts are not and I repeat not our friends, God Bless........
Anyone notice how after the New York Times did a mea cupla on "assault weapons" that the narrative changed to say "Military-style Assault Weapons"?
Same bullshit... same libtard spin.
We need short barreled rifles for close quarters situations.We also need an outdoor range and have time alloted for coppers to use it during off days if they want to shoot more.
The .223 Remington round is a joke. We need to up-grade to a .308 Winchester (AR-10). We have to keep up with trends, not match the gangs but, out gun the thugs.
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Now you're talking! DPMS LR-308 baby!
Well as much as an SBR rifle would help in tight spaces (vehicles, search warrants), the 5.56 cartridge becomes less effective as it wont fragment at a high velocity from a short barrel. One option if using a short barrel is to switch to 77gr MK262 which is what some of our military units have been using in Iraq and Afghan with the shorter 14.5" carbine barrels. These rounds have had some great success over there but they are not cheap. Another option is to allow 300 Blackout Cartridge, very similar to the 7.62x39 rounds but allows you to use the AR-15 platform which we are all familiar with.
A few months ago military style uniforms and weapons were racist and not politically correct what's changed the douchebag alderman's minds. The city keeps going in the direction it is officers will need tanks to drive around in.
Illinois law can not withstand the pressure much longer... all bearable arms are protected.. and the legislators in this city and this state know it. They are all looking for a way to save face as they hunt a way to lose their precious prohibition.if not this, it will be something like this they latch onto in order to facilitate thr chage. Its the only way they can avoid just outright admit how wrong they have been about their beloved ban all along.
Just hire back the gr8 cmdr of the mayors detail to save the city... They write a whole page article in the sun-times about the do nothing,tell the real truth about how he ran up a bunch of credit cards playing big shot on rush st and then conviently filed bankruptcy. His Stephanie neeley romp while she was going through a divorce or sitting down sipping wine on wells with a known convicted felon..Typical Mutt.... That's why the sun-times is about 12 pages of BS everyday now...
Shoot someone nowadays and you get charged with murder by Foxxxx or fired by COPA cabana.
"Assault" rifles. G. Gordon Liddy once bragged that he could kill a man with a pencil, does that mean he has "assault pencils" on his desk?
Training and arming is good. The antiquated Range is hog tied by training constraints, manpower and City Hall.
Keeping rifles (& those old shotguns) locked up in the WC office was a bright idea that lasted over 50 years.
Before I left the Disrict the 6 carbines they had were covered in dust.
I'd be hesitant to leaving a $1500 chopper unattended locked in the trunk or suv, then there's the ones who like a good foot chase or 3rd floor DD leaving rifles vulnerable to the standby packs of feral jackals. Ever see them peel a Denver boot of a Park Avenue?
Democrats obama-clinton-rahm don't want Military-style weapons or equipment in view of the vile and raucous public.
Rahm's home-rule is to negotiate with the thugs and give them millions in programs money before giving the Police anything.
Eliminating 25 AlderThieves and a Cook County Commisioner would be a better start to bring back Law and Order.
Ill isn't going to change the law so the CPD can get a Shore Barrel Rifle.
But a 12 - 10 in Barrel on an AR would be nice.
Other Illinois Departments have short barrel rifles. It is CPD that will not let us have short barrels. We have short barrel shotguns and rifles for SWAT. So it it not a law...
I highly recommend the Heckler + Koch MP5 in 10 mm or .40 S+W caliber with a suppressor . I've added a green laser to mine. If you prefer a more concealable version with a sling to wear under a well-tailored coat, I suggest the MP5K.
In any event, never leave home without it.
A good choice might be the CAR-15 caliber .223 submachine gun made by Colt for use in Vietnam. The LRRPs used them quite a bit. They had a short barrel, a very high rate of fire, and were accurate enough for jungle fighting. They had a collapsing stock, and were very handy.
Of course, this would require additional training, and a place to do that at...
Confused how having a long gun in that situation would have helped anyone...
I just want my Shotgun back!
I think they will need the permission of the noted law enforcement authority, Phather Phaleger and his bad of paid "victims"
In the interests of safety, maybe it is better if every officer does not have access to a long gun.
Maybe in the interest of safety, we be like the FD and wait at quarters until we get a call. Screw proactive policing
The simple truth is the City is too cheap to pay for proper facilities, training or people. We are a 2nd class organization to them. Almost the entire dilemma with The Chicago Police is funding. They refuse to properly fund us, pay us, or staff us. Beside all the politics involved.
Anonymous said...
The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
5/05/2017 07:27:00 AM
Agree, The NRA and ISRA have programs and ranges for all kinds of things. Civilian shooters who are serious out shoot most Coppers (bitch all you want it's true). The problem is God forbid the politicians and C.P.D. would have to approach us evil right wing gun people and attempt civil conversation when we all know we are the problem with our silly 2nd Amendment demands. As far as you individual Officers, call us,speak with us,approach us. We are law abiding pro law enforcement Americans who have much to offer as far as tips,training, places to shoot and a network of where to get what's needed. We volunteer for things like "shoot for the cure" cancer fund raisers, helping out L.E and the military
and training kids in firearms safety. We are former L.E., Military and knowledgeable civilians who would be honored to do our part. Don't buy into the B.S. of what the left tells you.
Star and 02 bars now instructing Firearms
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
5/05/2017 07:27:00 AM
I'm a member and believe me it's a great range. But I hesitate thinking about a bunch of coppers fucking it up. Coppers have a history of ruining a good. Years ago there were restaurants giving discounts while you were working. Then some copper(s) fuck it all up by bringing his family on his day off and muscling the manager for a discount.
Just a crazy thought, how hard would it be to put armor on vans like the one that got shot up. Line it with Kevlar or a similar material. Vans armored would only be used in surveillance and stake outs and other mission where you could be possibly targeted. Add in shotguns and ar's and I would be comfortable. The need for something like this is common sense, the bad guys have weapons that can penetrate vehicles so why not give us a little more protection.
Anonymous said...
These weapons are not meant to be used or fired from inside a police cruiser. These weapons are locked and secured in the back of the police cruiser. By the time you exit the police cruiser, and walk to retrieve the weapon; you are already in danger of being killed or wounded. These weapons NEED to be within arms reach to be effective.
5/05/2017 09:48:00 AM
A Police Cruiser? What state do you live in? We don't drive Cruisers here in Chicago. We drive Squad Cars. Get a life you troll! And move out of your mommy's basement.
When was the last time cpd used a long gun on the street?
FBI memo comes out and all of a sudden these stroke politicians care for pur safety. Give me a f---ing break.
Adapt the FN57 handgun as an optional weapon or even as a duty weapon, no lack of fire power there.
Anonymous said...
The .223 Remington round is a joke. We need to up-grade to a .308 Winchester (AR-10). We have to keep up with trends, not match the gangs but, out gun the thugs.
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Now you're talking! DPMS LR-308 baby!
5/05/2017 10:18:00 AM
Mulling a .338 federal AR carbine build...
THAT would be a right solid urban thumper
with frangible and polymer tipped ammo.
We still say the Patrol Division
should be armed with Remington R12
5+1 compact semi-auto shotguns for when
you absolutely positively have to
immediately and terminally knock
THEE dog shit out of something/somebody.
^ shockwave is just another junk gimmick due to very stupid nfa regulations. Not Practical at all, try even using a base persuader with the pistol grip 12g and you will see
The M4A1 carbine is a sweetie. There are a lot of us out here with considerable experience with the M4A1 defending the United State of America. It shoots the latest 62 grain loading. good to far longer ranges then you are likely to run into in a urban setting. Handling well inside a building. Easy to shoot, and shoot accurately. The biggest problem I can see is the likes of the ACLU. They already have bunched panties over the magazine capacity of a modern pistol, can you imagine the lamentations that would be heard if an officer opened fire with a 30 round magazine.
Obviously the current rifle setup isn't going to help for every situation, but imagine you get an active shooter inside a _______, pull up, would you like to get your rifle out of the trunk before going in or face mr AK with your pistol?
(OT) Stay fetal nothing more to say:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/05/jordan-edwards-murder-warrant-issued-for-texas-officer-who-killed-teen.html
Bring back the 12ga to compliment the issuance of ARs. Certify the entire Department with the 12ga along with the AR. Allow the cops to either draw from the District or buy their own as with the AR. Either one being carried in the vehicle and readily accessible. Cops SHOULD have the means to confront any threat level at the time of the threat level, not waiting for the one car on the watch to respond.
I know of a guy who had to wait over 2 years to finally get accepted into a training class.
Ridiculous and it needs to get a whole lot better.
Two weeks after I retire,,,,that's plenty of time to get the hell out of here
Alderman Napolitano, 41 was on Fox News sticking up for the Police again concerning the shooting on Ashland. He knows the Police are outgunned and wants something done now. Lucky to have Naps in 41 and Sposato in 38th. Both great friends of the CPD and CFD.
"^ shockwave is just another junk gimmick due to very stupid nfa regulations. Not Practical at all, try even using a base persuader with the pistol grip 12g and you will see"
--Could not disagree more, I have one and it's great as so long as you understand it's limitations. I will agree the standard pistol grips suck ass and really hurts your wrist after shooting a bunch of shells, but there's just something about the angle of the "birds head" grip that makes it very easy to absorb recoil. Check this video out by Thunder Ranch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8
To unpublished Assclown:
We certainly can make that judgement when we've been pointing out training-shortfalls for eleven years and other inadequacies. The report just verifies what we've been saying, so we know that part is legit.
The sweeping judgements of "systemic racism" and other bullshit with nothing but third hand stories of, "I know a guy who says his cousin...." along with fantasy stories of torture never substantiated by a single verifiable source - with that, we can denigrate the report as a liber-tarded hit job.
Now back to mommy's basement child.
Not everyone will like having an AR-15. That's fine. If an Officer doesn't want one or is uncomfortable using one, he shouldn't have to take one. But an Officer that does want one, is confident in his abilities with one and is trained should be issued the AR-15 or whatever long gun decided on by the department.
But the whole discussion is moot. With the cities leadership, the departments leadership and other powers that be, even if long guns were allowed, they'd be kept under lock and key. Or no ammunition would be issued. Can't have the police using any more weapons that might harm a minority or illegal immigrant! Just because they're trying to kill you is no excuse.
J.J.
The rifle program has constraints but it's a very good program. If the city had an outdoor range of its own, classes could be bigger and more challenging. To the person saying the instructors complaint about the noise, it's deafening. As far as instructor work history, you're misinformed. Let's work as a team, not with pockets of bitterness. God bless CPD.
I bought an AR several years back, when I thought O'Bama was going to have a nationwide ban on them. I would have to put the gun into "Registration Pending" waiting for the carbine class. Over a year and a half back up for it. Retirement was sooner. Just what I wanted to do, put that rifle into a Reg pending, then retire prior to the class, thus telling the city that I now have an illegal, unregistered weapon.
BTW, this retirement thing is working out just fine. To all those still out there working the streets, please be safe out there, watch out for each other.
What's Pre-Madonna? Is that, like, before Madonna?
Would that be Pat Benetar, or Belinda Carlisle?
So, what's Post-Madonna: Britney Spears?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bring back the 12ga to compliment the issuance of ARs. Certify the entire Department with the 12ga along with the AR. Allow the cops to either draw from the District or buy their own as with the AR. Either one being carried in the vehicle and readily accessible. Cops SHOULD have the means to confront any threat level at the time of the threat level, not waiting for the one car on the watch to respond.
Hey rookie, a few years back, well maybe more than a few years back they tried to certify the whole dept with shotguns. It was a joke. Many were afraid of the shotgun, wouldn't shoot it,etc and I'm sure it hasn't got better
How about the 300 blackout? Capacity is the same in the ar-15 package. Most cops are not shooting long range. This would be ideal for the patrol level.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
5/05/2017 07:27:00 AM
Agree, The NRA and ISRA have programs and ranges for all kinds of things. Civilian shooters who are serious out shoot most Coppers (bitch all you want it's true). The problem is God forbid the politicians and C.P.D. would have to approach us evil right wing gun people and attempt civil conversation when we all know we are the problem with our silly 2nd Amendment demands. As far as you individual Officers, call us,speak with us,approach us. We are law abiding pro law enforcement Americans who have much to offer as far as tips,training, places to shoot and a network of where to get what's needed. We volunteer for things like "shoot for the cure" cancer fund raisers, helping out L.E and the military
and training kids in firearms safety. We are former L.E., Military and knowledgeable civilians who would be honored to do our part. Don't buy into the B.S. of what the left tells you.
Star and 02 bars now instructing Firearms
5/05/2017 04:53:00 PM
After reading and calling the Illinois Rifle Association, I'm joining not only the Rifle Assocication, but the NRA also. I have to wait to join the range, (waiting for the OT check) I hope they will take me as a member.
Last year we were to militarized. This year were not militarized enough.
You tell me what these fools are thinking. One day Chicago will get hit by Mustafa and co. and you'll really see the streets run red.
Old guy here. In the 70's the dept. used to have dash mounted shotguns until neighborhood activist complained that they 'intimidating' the various communities. The shotguns were then placed in the trunk with a locking device which slowed down accessibility. W.C.s were reluctant to authorize anyone to check one out for a tour, and only four rounds were issued. Everyone had been trained and qualified to use the shotgun at the academy. .38 cal. 158 gr. round nose bullets were issued as standard ammo and were somewhat ineffective. Hollow points were forbidden until Supt. Rochford authorized the change to the same round the FBI used. POs compensated by carrying secondary weapons that were .357 magnums, .45 cal. or 40 cal. handguns. Many chose 9mm. which really had the same stopping power as a .38. This was before teflon bullets. It's not the weapon that's the problem but the current training which breeds reluctance on the part of officers to protect themselves. Was at O'Hare last month and seeing green uniformed Tact. Officers walking through the United terminal with semi autu rifles reminded us of Mexico City in the 70's.
just reading the prior comments about what we should be carrying is a joke. There are many reasons why long guns and cpd will never work out. First off, coppers are cheap! How many officers do you know actually go out and practice with their personal handguns? And how many officers would actually put down money on a personal m4 when they cant even get into the class. how many po's do you know who tried several times to get the class and gave up because they didnt get picked. Its very discouraging and a character killer. And even you are qualified with the m4......we do get the qual a and qual b and its the same training. No room clearing classes no cqb classes. And we dont have rifle rated armor.....level III will not stop a rifle round. They only shoot them when they qualify. The department is cheap and has no outdoor range. We can hardly get to use the ranges for any type of practice because the range is being used for qualifications or is down. We do have trainers that are qualified to train us but again no outdoor range. And another thing why isnt the department even talking about what had happen at event at roll call to give us a chance to figure what to do if po's are faced with that situation. Everyone talks a big game but we dont have the training to back it up. stay safe
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The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
5/05/2017 07:27:00 AM""
Now why would the ISRA help this jagoff Dept.? When for years its been specializing in arresting its members for things like "duck gun case poking thru back window" and stealing and smelting a members collection after some broad snitched on him for having them. Even tho he works for a living and never bothered anyone.
All those big tough Tac teams rolling in on calls and doing home invasions so they can pose next to a bunch of confiscated sporting arms and look like they just disarmed Al Capone, walking around the station waving pictures of the tabled guns like they are the real deal. If I was the ISRA I wouldnt piss on this outfit if it was burning. NRA neither.
ymous said...
The department should check with the Illinois Rifle Association for use of their range for training with the ar. Outside of Kankakee Illinois near the town of Bonfield, it has to be one of the best ranges in Illinois for high power rifle shooting. Ranges at this facility for rifle are 50,100,200, and 300yds. You don't know until someone in this hell hole would ask about using the range for training.
5/05/2017 07:27:00 AM""
Now why would the ISRA help this jagoff Dept.? When for years its been specializing in arresting its members for things like "duck gun case poking thru back window" and stealing and smelting a members collection after some broad snitched on him for having them. Even tho he works for a living and never bothered anyone.
All those big tough Tac teams rolling in on calls and doing home invasions so they can pose next to a bunch of confiscated sporting arms and look like they just disarmed Al Capone, walking around the station waving pictures of the tabled guns like they are the real deal. If I was the ISRA I wouldnt piss on this outfit if it was burning. NRA neither.
5/07/2017 11:29:00 AM
The above guys heart was in the right place, but I'll take it to the other level, the ISRA is doing just fine without the CPD and it's new criminal record recruits. I'm an ISRA member and I'm now concerned this fine range can be turned into a shit hole by the new police recruited by Raccoon eyes and backed by the Alderassholes. The Bomb Squad has a range at 94/95th by the lake, if they can set off high explosives there, I'm sure the department can set up a range for the 223 AR-15 training. And lastly, I just talked to an ISRA range safety officer and wired him up about putting an end to any department inquires for using the range. I only hope he has some influence or they charge the department a ton of money to discourage any attempt at using the facility.
This is only information and I'm not recommending anything. The FBI recently ordered 300 Black/Out AR's for their hostage negotiator teams. I don't know if their testing the weapon or it's going to be standard issue. This fucked up department usually goes in only two directions, pertaining to weapons issued to CPD personnel; one, they stick with the caliber they have, or they copy what the FBI is doing. Side note, a good friend who has a construction business with 48 employees, just moved out of the City and across the border to Indiana. The other good thing 3/4 of the employees also moved to Indiana and the company will be saving tens of thousands of dollars in the next couple of years. Fuck this City.
It's really funny and sad reading all of the above comments. First off, this Department does not give a shit about us period. But on a technical note, the mentioned AR-15 in 300 Black/Out won't make it. Not because it's a bad round, but because of the name. Just imagine the Department adopting the 300 BLACK/OUT, the fucking groups like BLM, The Facker Priest, Jesse the Asshole, and God only knows who else would come flying out of the wood work. Black/out that's bees racist. Its' just funny and at the same time sad, how we are subjected to this non-sense every single day.
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