Saturday, June 03, 2017

Exempts to Quit?

  • Dozens of Chicago Fire Department brass have warned that they’re prepared to resign their exempt positions and return to the rank-and-file in a squabble over pay and benefits — creating uncertainty over how the city would fill such a leadership vacuum.

    The fire officials are seeking pension changes, expanded health insurance benefits and pay raises — and have been unable to persuade Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Fire Commissioner Jose Santiago to sweeten the pot for them.

    But city officials say that would require a change in the state pension code.
Rahm doesn't want to drain the Firefighters Pension? Imagine that. So why doesn't the Police Pension try this to save money?
  • In addition, the state pension code doesn’t allow exempt fire officers to earn pension benefits based on their current salary. Instead, their pension benefits are based on the lower salary of their most recent union-covered job.
The Pension should actually base pension on the last earned rank, meaning that everyone on that recently published "merit" list would be shit out of luck since since they were given an inflated pension based on political considerations, heavy relatives, or sex.

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69 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Expecting police exempts to threaten something like the fire exempts threaten would require balls and we already know police exempts have no balls.

6/03/2017 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as the CPD goes, never underestimate the awesome power of sexual favors in exchange for plum assignments and bogus "merit" promotions.

"Gold Braid" pensions are nothing more than legalized bribery.

6/03/2017 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smartest idea I've heard all day. Will never happen tho. The connected need to be taken care of and will continue to be taken care of until there is a major political shift in this city/county/state

6/03/2017 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send Wheeezeee and her lovely ladies over to CFD. They can start a command firefighter group similar to NOBLE, collect dues, hire Gene Williams as a mentor/career coach, give Dorothy Tillman a fire helmet for her hat collection, apply for grants, and all the other nefarious deeds which Inspector Joe Clouseau will claim never transpired.

Retired .38 spl +P

6/03/2017 02:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good let them quit! I have no fire department skills but will be more than happy to take the job for the $120,000 or more with take home car that they get. And to sweeten the deal, I have no problem retiring with a pension based on my final civil service rank. Fuck you you greedy bastards! Oh and Rahm, if my lack of fire experience disqualifies me for the position I am also willing to throw my hat in on the police side too!

6/03/2017 02:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where's the "LIKE" button?

6/03/2017 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the state is bankrupt and there will be no money for most pensions anyway so why are the fire boys wasting their time?

6/03/2017 03:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't the FOP used this as a negotiating tool. Give the city the same pension program for police exempts? I know its a city decision, but wht not throw it back to them as a good faith offer? As for the story. Isn't it funny how fire exempts that have been able to enjoy the benifits of higher salary, M-F, 8-4 now want better retirement benifits as they get close to leaving. They knew this when they took the big money and power!

6/03/2017 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody in any family is more special than the others in the family.Just because your lucky to be connected and have benefitted from that doesn't make you any more special then the firefighters or police officers still working the streets who have no clout.They shouldn't be penalized pension wise no differently than a clouted person being further rewarded just because they have clout.Pensions are earned.Clout isn't earned.It's a reward.For the overall health of everyone's pension,the pension earned by career service rank should determine final pension.Pensions should be clout neutral.Clouted people aren't really any more special,just really lucky.That includes the suck holes.

6/03/2017 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is all about political control of this city. How would the politicians control the CPD if there was no merit promotions? There has to be less than 5 exempt members that have not been merit promoted and are not beholden to one or more politicians.

6/03/2017 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That just means more people will cheat on the tests.

6/03/2017 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if Wheeezeeee got some noble "coaching" for her sgt test, but botched it , that is why ahe got the merit....

6/03/2017 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) rahm doing nothing about Chicago crime wave murders but breaking federal laws world news:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/03/is-improving-chicagos-grim-crime-rate-mayor-rahm-emanuels-top-priority.html

6/03/2017 07:25:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

If the fire exempts are promoted just like our exempts are, their leaving could be an improvement.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

6/03/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once they open the State Constitution and change the pension code we're screwed. This is the master plan. They will use this to put the people against us again.

6/03/2017 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do Fire Exempts do?

6/03/2017 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for them !

6/03/2017 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to city records, one of their excempts, Ernest Broderson collected a salary of $308,000.00 last year.

Who on Gods Earth deserves a taxpayer funded pension based on 75% of that amount for the rest of their natural lives?

6/03/2017 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure that I understand why the exempts shouldn't have their pension based on their pay, like everyone else. They pay into the fund at the same rate, so how's that different from somebody getting promoted to sergeant and having that pay calculated into the formula?

6/03/2017 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would only be fair in that they never earned the rank. If you want to be a merit pick and enjoy the extra power and money, it is then also fair that money is not pensionable. After all you are just a merit hack that earned nothing.

6/03/2017 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To begin with the CFD has way too many exempt ranks. They are uneccessary. Can elimanate at least half. Also the created "Commander" rank is absolutely uneccessary. Nothing but duckers and loads -- filled with people who should've never got on the job in the first place let alone achieved "rank" and leadership. The job went downhill after the strike and has never been the same. Used to have Physical Agility requirements but now they run anyone through the academy and pass them for political or affirmative action reasons. Fucking disgrace. It used to mean something to be a fireman in this city. Now they give the job away. Sickening. Also makes me sick every time I drive past the academy and public education office or slow houses and see the out of shape fat asses (male and female) standing outside in full view in their fireman costumes (uniforms)smoking cigarettes. Priceless. Hold the squad.

6/03/2017 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago Police Department "Exempts" are the Ultimate Merit Promotions. And again, these are individuals, who are elevated to their status without any form of formal procedure or documented process. So the average cop, has Absolutely No Possibility of achieving Exempt Status, because it is done in an archaic Wink & Nod, Okay-Dokey process. Civilian Citizens Consider What is Going on Here: YOUR police department is being led by people who have not passed competency tests, nor have they shown courage or original thinking in the performance of their duties. Instead, these are for the most part Political Hacks, the product of a corrupt Big City Machine form of Politics, that still exists in very few American Cities. This 19th Century process is to insulate the political power of the "Chosen" Political Power, at the expense of promoting more competent people who might rock the boat. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU ARE PAYING SIX FIGURE SALARIES TO INCOMPETENTS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES! EXEMPT RETIRNING WITH PENSIONS IN EXCESS OF $100,000, AFTER 3 YEARS OF INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP IN CPD, GO ON TO OTHER SIX FIGURE JOBS, WHERE THEY RETIRE WITH ANOTHER SIX FIGURE SALARY AND PENSION! THE INCOMPETENT EXEMPT WHO RETIRED TO HEAD CHICAGO CITY COLLEGES SECURITY HAS A COMBINED INCOME IN RETIREMENT OF OVER $225,000. THE EXEMPT WHO RETIRED TO HEAD NORTHEASTERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY POLICE, WHICH IS ABOUT TO LAY OFF FACULTY, EARNS IN EXCESS OF $225,000 WHEN YOU COMBINE HIS PENSION WITH HIS CURRENT SALARY. THE FORMER HEAD OF THE MAYOR'S DETAIL, JOINED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A CIVILIAN LOCK-UP KEEPER, NEVER PASSED A PROMOTIONAL EXAMINATION; RECEIVED COMMANDER'S PAY WHILE ON THE JOB, AND HAS RETIRED WITH A SIX FIGURE PENSION FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE! In other cities, Exempt are forced to receive their last civil service rank, as their pension payment. Why should Our Pension Fund, pay exorbitant amounts of money to Political Hacks and Suck Holes, who never did actual police work? This System is Rotten and the public is beginning to get the smell. If Rahm had been a Real Reformer he would make change, but at this point he is barely able to survive. The McDonald trial will be the end of the Lil Guy's political career, and not soon enough. Do Absolutely Nothing More, than Necessary! Be very careful, The Dept. is Unraveling. Baby "G"

6/03/2017 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ex cfd: they could all retire and not be missed

6/03/2017 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has been a topic of discussion around the kitchen table for some time. Most of those clowns rose to their perspective positions because of their political clout. Jose actually encouraged these members to ink their resignations along with another tool named Callahan. Jose has called these clowns his "elite staff" even though Jose himself NEVER passed a promotional exam, NEVER been to Vietnam as he claims and possesses JUST a G.E.D. certificate. I wonder who his clout is.....It seems Jose and "Special Ed" have much in common in the area of intelligence...NONE....

6/03/2017 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But,but they are ENTITLED to that super sized pension🤔Or they will say"I deserve it. Don't you know who I am ? How dare you?"

6/03/2017 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should all be fired. It's a shame the fire union has to accept them back into the ranks, especially the scabs(again).

6/03/2017 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A day late on Birthday wishes, SCC but better late than never!
Keep up the great job doing what you do best!!

Previous post said:
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Waaaaay OT,but a special alert to anyone on the S Side looking for a car.
DO NOT go to Happy Hyundai in OL on 91st St. They fucked me royally getting a car for my kid. Didn't discover all of the fuckery until all papers signed, and ink dried.
Stay the fuck away from this place at all costs. If anything, just go to Mancari's and know you are going to be fucked up front.

6/02/2017 04:28:00 PM"

********
A shout out in a POSITIVE MANNER to a car dealership-the Napleton Lincoln dealership in Glenview!
Just picked up a new MKC (the smaller SUV) and I have never encountered such GREAT, COURTEOUS, KNOWLEDGABLE and CUSTOMER ORIENTED professionals in all my years.
Manager: Nick. Salesman: Peter
Seriously, this dealership is much more than a step above the rest, police friendly and simply put-I was treated like gold.

Again, congratulations SCC on your Anniversary!

Retired, 30+

6/03/2017 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who Do I have to have Sex with to get an Exempt Pension...?

6/03/2017 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fu#% them - quit already!!!!

6/03/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any leadership vacuum will be a great opportunity to advance the affirm action agenda big time...ideal way to do political payoffs :)

6/03/2017 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Werewolves of Chicago said...

All pay, promotions, assignments and pensions should be based on City Hall rewarding their favorite people for their "loyalty".

It's the "Chicago Way!"

6/03/2017 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Gold Braid" is a patronage scam. Only suckholes need apply.

6/03/2017 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

boo hoo, cry me a river.............

these overpaid fire exempts should kiss the ground they are walking on.

high school grads if that making close to 200k a year. more wasteful than 50 alderman.

please quit!!! there will be a million people lined up to take your overpaid do nothing jobs.

6/03/2017 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not make any voluntary changes to the pension that diminish any members benefits, (like we opened the door for medical insurance payments) It could open the door to "diminish or impair" our pension benefits that are protected by the state constitution,

6/03/2017 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let them resign. The city could easily get by on 30% less fireman. Most of the calls are medical now.

6/03/2017 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was it around 10 years ago The Dept. started having a difficult time to fill District Commander spots?
Nobody was volunteering after the mass hatchet job under JFed (it's how HennyPenny made it.
Then came Gmac and The CompPost, nobody wanted the crosstown DC spots and were finally given out to wonder kids and to do-nothing revruns choice lotto.
And I would think that it's pretty much the same - nobody wants the entry level DC spot unless there's room for a bump up.
The leadership of the Dept will never see days better than these right now...and that ain't much.

Here's a tidbit I didn't know existed; a DC can give up the spot just before retirement and return to a LT. position for the 55 & out benefit, without losing the pensionable gold standard. Sneaky way about glomming some benefits (I wanted the job [loyalty or greed] before I didn't).
As for CFD - they can all return to the ranks and Rahm will gladly backfill in pandering quickness.

Both Gov Rauner and Quinn insisted they would never allow any altering the First Responder Pensions.
But you can never trust a Democrat in the future, especially tied to Rahm.

Stay Fetal - Rahm is not on our side and a Merit will sell you out.

6/03/2017 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Earned not given.
The fire union was fousquare behind Rahm in the last election.

6/03/2017 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear SCC,

Does FOP have any pull on the merit situation? Can we as a collective demand a change in this wildly outrageous circus we call a command staff? Contract negotiations are upon us, we are (in my opinion) more united than in years past due to this anti police climate. We should be busting the phones up at the lodge with a list of things we want changed immediately. If merit can be more legitimate than years past, and the FOP can help fight to get that change, we should try.

6/03/2017 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send Wheeezeee and her lovely ladies over to CFD. They can start a command firefighter group similar to NOBLE, collect dues, hire Gene Williams as a mentor/career coach, give Dorothy Tillman a fire helmet for her hat collection, apply for grants, and all the other nefarious deeds which Inspector Joe Clouseau will claim never transpired.

Retired .38 spl +P


I'm sure that Tillman has a few helmets in her collection from her days hanging out with the menses from Engine 16 on 40th & Federal back in the day.

6/03/2017 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retire at exempt pay then get another scam government spot. And the Midget on the 5th floor takes away retirees health care benefits. Karma is a Mo Fo Ballerina. ♠️

6/03/2017 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://downtrend.com/71superb/transit-cop-fired-for-asking-illegal-alien-if-hes-in-the-country-illegally

6/03/2017 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These loudmouths from the CFD will never go through with this threat and rahm knows it. He just laughs about these clowns.

6/03/2017 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bye Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

6/03/2017 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous james leonard said...

I doubt more than 10 exempts from either police or fire would quit. They have too big of an ego and power trip and no balls to quits. How come Ferguson didn't propose that CPD exempts have the same as CFD exempts. Pension based on last rank promoted. We could save money. But wait, that would involve hurting the politically connected in their merit jobs. We really don't need exempts. The rank and file do all the work anyways.

6/03/2017 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

End B.S. Political Gold Braid Pensions Now!
Reduce the number of Alderman to
Vote out 3/4 of all incumbents currently holding political office and or judicial seats.
Add 5 year enhancement penalty for crimes committed with firearm

Just my two cents


6/03/2017 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous The Truth said...

no sympathy for Bosshole exempts from either Department. They sold their souls long ago, and continue to jeopardize the careers and safety of firemen and policemen working the streets based on the whim of City Hall.

6/03/2017 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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6/03/2017 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

State and city go bankrupt all pensions gone it's in the yes leaves, very soon,

6/03/2017 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pension should actually base pension on the last earned rank, meaning that everyone on that recently published "merit" list would be shit out of luck since since they were given an inflated pension based on political considerations, heavy relatives, or sex.

But sex is still good right?

6/03/2017 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought the CFD exempts were leaving because of the fleas, bed bugs and crabs exposure during the line of duty...

6/03/2017 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't the FOP used this as a negotiating tool. Give the city the same pension program for police exempts?
AMEN

6/03/2017 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wheezie's got big balls.... well atleast the superintendos. Happy September wedding. Wonder who the flower girl will be??

6/03/2017 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but another potential terrorist incident in London where a vehicle was used to run over people. Hey Special Ed and Co., I have a question. Why didn't these people just get out of the way? The only force used was a vehicle.

6/03/2017 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 0747 What do fire exempts do. Same thing yours do. Collect exorbitant salary to fuck up a once proud department. Some are ok but most are suckers and political hacks. Santiago is only slightly more respected by the troops than your Special Ed. Glad I retired when I did.stay fetal lads and lasses.

6/03/2017 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6 figure pensions for CPD too. Useless fucks. Look at Dan Alvarado. Dumb as they come and afreaid of his own shadow!

6/03/2017 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one should receive a pension based on a salary above Lieutenant. Captain is also an exempt rank. You can cash in your 5000 hrs of OT and Make that your nest egg. Greedy SOBs

6/03/2017 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the guy who asked who he has to have sex with, try the Kessing Bandit.

6/03/2017 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please get the cheaters this has gone too far!

6/04/2017 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
the state is bankrupt and there will be no money for most pensions anyway so why are the fire boys wasting their time?

News flash we are not in the state pension fund

6/04/2017 03:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
That just means more people will cheat on the tests.

6/03/2017 06:51:00 AM

Make sure to answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look somewhat legit!

6/04/2017 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonder who the flower girl will be??

6/03/2017 08:11:00 PM

Rahmmie wearing his tutu and ballet slippers!

6/04/2017 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give a guy a job that pays at least 150K a year plus a car and you are not going to refuse to jump, you are going to ask "how high"? It's human nature.

6/04/2017 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous james leonard said...
I doubt more than 10 exempts from either police or fire would quit. They have too big of an ego and power trip and no balls to quits. How come Ferguson didn't propose that CPD exempts have the same as CFD exempts. Pension based on last rank promoted. We could save money. But wait, that would involve hurting the politically connected in their merit jobs. We really don't need exempts. The rank and file do all the work anyways.

6/03/2017 03:10:00 PM


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because that;s not Fergusons job

6/04/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you even imagine the CPD exempts quitting? That gaggle of political hack boot lickers would all be on Public Aid in a month. Who would hire any of our in house fools?

6/04/2017 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The highest civil service rank on the CFD is Battalion Chief with a base salary of 156,000.

The highest civil service rank on CPD is Lieutenant. With 25 years, a Lieutenant’s base salary is 125,000.

So, CFD’s highest civil service rank makes a base salary of 31k more than CPD’s highest civil service rank.

Is that fair?

My point is that the CFD and CPD debate about pensions, civil service rank/pay and insurance isn’t comparing apples to apples.

6/04/2017 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EVERYBODY on CPD contributes the SAME PERCENTAGE to the pension fund BASED ON THEIR RANK.

EVERYBODY on CPD also gets a pension based on the best 4 of their last 10 years.

There are tons of CPD personnel (Police Officers, Detectives, Sergeants, Lieutenants and Captains) that make a lot more money than CPD exempts.

Captains, even though considered “exempt”, still get overtime and all the other benefits that the civil service ranks get.

Lieutenants and Captains on CPD actually take a pay cut when they accept an exempt position of Commander.

Why?:

Exempts don’t get paid overtime.

They also don’t accrue comp time.

The comp time they have on the books when they get promoted to exempt is locked the second they take the promotion.

They can never use their comp time on the books.

They also can’t sell up to 200 hrs. a year of their comp time like the other CPD supervisory ranks can.

They can only sell it back when they retire and it’s sold back at their civil service rank.

They lose all 5 Baby Furlough days and 3 of the 4 Personal Days. They get one personal day a year. So, they can’t use or sell any of those days back either.

Exempts don’t get a uniform allowance.

Some exempts don’t get duty availability.

Exempts don’t get step raises. Their salary is their salary.

So, the only reason exempts take the promotion is for the pension. There is no other benefit.

They take a pay cut now for the pension on the end.

The city saves money now by making them exempt and pays them later via their pension.

So, if they took away the exempt pension, many would retire and/or go back to their civil service rank because it’s not worth taking a pay cut with no benefit at the end.

That results in a lesser pension and a lesser contribution to the retirement fund.

I can’t imagine any of us with half a brain would accept a promotion to exempt and take a pay cut with no benefit on the end.

Maybe we all should get a police officer’s pension. Period.

If there is all this alleged cheating going on for years coupled with people who despise all merit promotions, then we don’t know who is legit and who’s not.

The only true legitimate rank is a Police Officer in that we got on the job and made it past our probationary period. That would sure make it fair!

6/04/2017 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Northsiders, try Fields Auto Group, just bought a new Chrysler from them in Glenview, the FOP magazine has them as a place to go, see sales Managers Ron Allen, good and fair deal, great General Manager, Jim Moyer has many police friends.

6/04/2017 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: What ever happened to cheatin' Gene Williams? I know he retired in disgrace from CPD. Has he picked up another 6 figure salary yet?

6/05/2017 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

None of those loudmouths left and none of them are going to leave

6/06/2017 05:40:00 PM  

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