Police as Firefighters
This has been discussed here on occasion, more as a joke than anything else, but someone actually took it seriously:
- Do you lie awake at night in constant fear a fire will break out and nothing will be done to put it out?
For the 99% of the population not suffering from pyrophobia or a similar neurosis, the answer to that question is “no,” even though firefighters aren’t patrolling the streets in their big red trucks. They still manage to arrive at the scene of a fire within minutes of an emergency call.
Why can’t police departments be run the same way?
We're of the opinion that a sizable portion of the Department has already self-initiated this course of action. Arrests are down, tickets are down, interactions with the public are down, supposedly, lawsuits are down. The progressive vision of a regressive police force has become reality.
The link to the Huffington Post is full of the usual liberal tripe, mis-characterizations and lies. But one shocking conclusion will end up giving liberals the vapors:
The link to the Huffington Post is full of the usual liberal tripe, mis-characterizations and lies. But one shocking conclusion will end up giving liberals the vapors:
- Here’s the catch: you can’t have a free society where this “protection” occurs in advance. The federal and every state constitution assumes the government can’t and shouldn’t do anything to prevent a crime. The Fourth and Fifth amendments were written to keep the government from even trying. They assume the government is powerless until a crime has already occurred, the Fourth in particular providing further restraint on how the government investigates after the fact.
Defending oneself while a crime is occurring is left to the citizen. It’s not a responsibility of the police. Even the Supreme Court agrees. Protecting oneself is what the Second Amendment is all about.
Imagine that -someone who is beginning to understand the reasons behind the Constitution.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
72 Comments:
We concur wholeheartedly...
Reduced Police footprint and visibility...
Chicago Police cars should be a subdued
gray that fades into the urban backdrop.
No exterior emergency lights.
That's what the ACLU, #blm, the Trotskyite Progressive
SJWs and the Grievance Industrial Complex (the media,
the catered-to constituencies and the democratic politicians)
have said they wanted.
Right?
"GAAAHH!
There are 1000+ people in the park next to my house!
DO SOMETHING!"
Mind your business...
It ain't a problem unless they reversed a stolen
van up your front steps and through your door.
Since your eyes get moist at the sight of a
Police baton raised more than shoulder height
to do what needs to be done, you'll have the
bitter joy of finally having to defend yourself.
Why should only The Policeman be well acquainted
with feeling all alone?
Come... Share the cup with us.
That means the citizens have to be armed in order to protect themselves from criminals. That certainly would give the vapors to liberals. Imagine that an armed citizery. Scary stuff.
That's how I already operate. Fetal as fuck. The city is going up in flames and I'm playing games on my phone. If this is the police department the public wants I'll give it to them.
29 and a day.
Can you get really cool vehicles with running boards?
Then everyone can ride on them to crime scene just like the Keystone Cops!
Can I be Mack Sennett?
If you learn how to use fire hoses, then you can have fun at the next Fathers Day picnic in the park.
Gee, whats a contact card? or a bus check for that matter?
Squad, Eat My Shorts!
Smile and wave....counting the years left. say cheese, body cam
15,000 on the fire list. My phone call keeps getting disconnected....the percentage of fires in Chicago have to be less than 4 percent. Lets shift some manpower.
Great idea. Hopefully I will be forwarned about when they will institute this strategy. I want to buy stock in guns and ammo companies and maybe a casket company.
Exactly. Respond, report, investigate and arrest once probable cause is established,. That is what the police were designed to do and Sir Robert Peele is probably rolling over in his grave given the responsibilities now shouldered by today's police. Prevention of crime is the obligation of the whole of society i.e. Public policy, family structure, quality education etc. Sadly, our society has failed miserably in each of these respects. Laying the guilt for sociopathic, teenaged murderers on the doorstep of an undermanned, out gunned and decent group of public servants is irresponsible at best and pathetic to say the least.
cpd pension buyout or crossover to fire option. All of these use of force brain washed officers best relocate or risk becoming a liability to the city. Help us and the taxpayer out. Put us where we can fight fire with fire or retire.
all is well,
We citizens are going to need Stand your ground, Castle Doctrine, and a hell of a lot fewer Gun Free Zones.
Tell your friends and family to get their permits, practice, and carry every day.
If more good citizens dispatched the POS during the commission of a criminal act, criminal acts committed by POS would be down. Even POS can reason that there is no benefit/profit when there is the possibility of dying at the hands of the victims. However, the Do-gooders/progressives will invariably come to the aid of the POS citing excessive force being used by the good citizens, ultimately leaving the good citizen without the means to defend themselves. We see this in progressive bastions. Nothing will substantively change in this city, county, state or nation until the political elite and their kin suffer the same fate as the good citizen. Only then will the political elite realize their social justice folly of cowering criminals from punishment.
Rosemont has Public Safety Officers Policeman Fireman and Paramedic all in one!
Vigiles were the firefighters and police of Ancient Rome.
been doing it for 2 years scc.
Violent "violence preventer" Tio Hardiman running for governor again; he was just on WBBM Radio's soft-serve "At Issue" program saying that shootings would go down if all the police were simply assigned to desk duty.
Every homeowner or renter should be smart ! Buy a bunch of fire exgtuinshers, practice23 with them, have
a bug- out - bag .... when it gets too hot run !
Alright,Tom Mullen call us after you and your family have been raped and beaten. Well once you are able to locate a cellphone (which was stolen) and find the last bit of nerve left to dial 911 and accurately give dispatch the descriptions of offenders, and I'm sure you won't know which way they fled. I'm sure they took your vehicle, which you probably don't know the plate number to.
Actually, better yet!!! Walk into the station for your report and VIN since it isn't an "in progress" call anyway. My partner and I will "canvass" the area and hopefully a warrant will be ready for your "unknown" offenders.
You're an idiot Tom Mullen!!!
I would LOVE to have a CFD schedule. Those Daley days are pretty much free baby furloughs. Me too clause HAHAHAHAHAHA
This is the future of policing. Reactionary firefighter style but the rub for both police officers and fire fighters is that it will be drone based. Your grandkids will laugh that we use to go out and proactively police. With cameras and technology speeding forward every day, it has given us 1984.
Cops as fireman? 24 on and 48 off? How many more cop, fireman would you have to hire? You would be worn out working 24 with no rest. There might be just little more crime than fires in the windy city. They won't hire now how would they man a district for 24-48? Someone has been standing to close to the flame and fried there brain. But in Chicago anything this dumb has a chance there not called Dumbocrats for nothing.
Whatever happen to WeeZees 02 District Fiasco?
Someone advocating carrying guns in the huffpo? This guy's just trying to get an unemployment check out of them.
Traffic deaths would soar everywhere not covered by the State.
And when the police do lock up a piece of shit, the community will rally around the poor offender and still claim he/ she was turning their life around bulls****! And oh Lordy if you even strike the offender who is fighting you, they get to civilly sue for a big pay day even though they were found guilty of the criminal act! Only in shitcago, cook county! Where almost every alderman has a connect to a law firm who sues the city. But I have to take a ethics test.
The p.o.'s assigned to 022 can come by Mt.Greenwood any time.We are glad to see them...
Does this mean that we can stay in barracks, play cards,watch TV, and play pinch and tickle with each other like firemen do. I am in.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Those ol boys that wrote the Constitution were pretty smart. They knew assholes will be assholes and you can't stop an asshole from being an asshole. Therefore, your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
You can shoot assholes even if they are stupid liberal democrats attacking you. (They'll still vote for a few years but that don't mean you can't shoot'em.)
J.J.
This is the beginning of something of a tidal shift. The political left is coming to grips with the fact that modern day gun control is indeed dead. The position is still a slim means of laundering some money, but as a political position outside some ever smaller slivers, it is something that silent about, if not something to abandon entirely.
My questions is, are cops going to stop the bogus arrests of people who are doing no more than carrying a gun TO defend themselves, you know, exercising a right that has been plainly enumerated all along? Finally?
(OT) hello alderman Ray Lopez looks like more murder in Brighton par your area you're doing such a great job:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170625-story.html
Are you still being protected 24 hours a day seven days a week by a big Chicago police detail? You're the same guy the same clown that refused any National Guard help correct?
I imagine they'll pull the article with the huff po TOP MEN realize that it's implicitly arguing for personal liberties. That's definitely not the approved narrative.
I stopped reading after this: "The federal and every state constitution assumes the government can’t and shouldn’t do anything to prevent a crime."
- no explanation given because it cannot be defended
Anonymous said...
Rosemont has Public Safety Officers Policeman Fireman and Paramedic all in one!
6/26/2017 02:47:00 AM
for all practical purposes, so does Crestwood in the South burbs. Most of the cops are working part time and they are full time firefighters. I don't think they have five full time cops. I don't think they pay much for part-time work.
Sandra Bland? DIdn't she kill herself?
Ya, she should have been left to drive however she wants, like in 3rd world Columbia.
How about cross training all of the firemen to be police officers? Then they can do foot patrol and answer call within say 4 blocks of their fire/police house. How anout having a residency rule that they have to live within 4 blocks of their assigned fire/police house. Perfect! Phil Cline did it with the police detective division now we have Burglary/Robbery/Theft and Gang/Homicide/Sex. Man zi should be Superintendent.
Can't imagine sleeping in the 1st dist with all those rats. If we cooked there, the rats and the police would have to fight it out over the food. I like the idea of a fire schedule, just think about it, we could work the trades and double our salaries just like they do on those Daily's. We would be liken to an undertaker, just call us to collect the bodies.
ya, that seems "practical" - in Mayberry
O/T but yet another shithead out on the street, convicted and sentenced to 7 yrs (3 1/2 in this democratic state) for uuw in 2015. From his arrest in mar2014 he should still be locked up, not killing people in 009 last nite. But...no one cares.
Stand down = Stay fetal
But then the city and department wouldn't be able to bask in the undeserved glory of premise/park/cta checks, missions for everything but wiping your ass (yet), all with countless related event numbers amounting to nothing but time wasted by a misuse of limited resources.
In the words of the late great hippie Janis Joplin:
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose..."
HuffPo contiibuting writer refers to "free society".
Is that a society Free from law and order?
A contemporary approach than that of silly out-of-touch John Locke once referred to was "civil society".
Suppose it's two opinions, I favor the second.
Not sure what (Mullen) is advocating and on who or which antifa groups behalf.
Running back and forth across District boundaries, call to call over ghetto some escalated petty entitlement bullshit is pretty much what we do, reacting to the community's angry and feral youth fire.
We could and should remain as Fetal as possible and work smart.
We are seeing what freedoms Cook County is allowing the unwashed rebellious youth to maintain.
There's no stopping what's coming.
And to paraphrase a Seinfeld bit:
"issuing Police brooms and buckets to sweep up and clean (their respective beats) during times of no calls".
Maybe former Dep. Charlie Williams will submit that suggestion to Jugghead and save Sts & San some coin.
It's funny , firemen are allowed to sleep in beds and expected to get rest... Policemen get fired for catching a cat nap.. makes no sense to me..
-Joe citizen
OT:
John Arena just found $2.7 million to spend on Schurz HS.
Gangbanger factory that regularly goes up for grabs, and the staff hates the police.
12:29am, just because "the public" at large wants a fetal police force as a whole does not mean that everyone out there does. There are people - a lot of them - who need and support the police. When they call, I hope you answer.
Drones? Yes I see cities using drones to watch over areas, drones watched on TV screen by civilians trained to recognize certain crimes and activities, video the action and call for a police response. I think it is a great idea, but I am cure the civil libertarians would object as an invasion of privacy or would limit drone use to public spaces not flying over private property. I am sure it is being thought of right now.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170626/hyde-park/chicago-police-recruits-officers-dusable-museum-of-african-american-history-tours-mandatory-training
We need police like Judge Dred.
If the police worked like the Fire Department does there would be a real life 'Purge" like the movie. The liberals know this too.
Imagine how much used, no longer necessary tacticool gear I'll be able to pick up cheap!
Let's do this, and lets appease them further by having police of their own race policing them in order to stop the racist police. This makes perfect sense. The violent crime rate should quadruple overnight but hey lets give each community what they want. In my neighborhood I want police patrolling. What I have in 016 is pretty much what this article is talking about.
There's a critical difference that the newspaper article leaves out - one of operational model differences.
* Fires are relatively rare occurrences. People requiring emergency services are relatively rare as well. So firefighters can stay "in the house" and wait for a call. Sure, they get inspectors out on inspections and they're roaming in cars - but by and large firefighters go where needed when called.
* Law enforcement activities are much more common, and dynamic. Cops are asked to deal with investigations, felonies, misdemeanors, and petty offenses. Petty offenses are largely revenue generators for the State and occur everywhere - the Government wants the cops out and about to write tickets/ANOVs, and to get that revenue. To that end, cops have to be mobile all the time...
Cops are charged (usually) with dealing with traffic issues - lots of cars = lots of potential for collisions - and then a report usually needs to be drafted to keep the insurance envelope packers happy. So cops have to be out and about... Stop lights fail = cops need to handle it...
Two imbeciles get into an argument over the last chicken wing in certain neighborhoods and requires rapid response from cops because these imbeciles have zero impulse control. Having cops driving around sometimes gives these fools pause before deciding to shoot each other...
And so on... comparing cops and firefighters is apples to oranges. The models are different, need to be different, and trying to shoehorn one into the other is a crappy idea.
Or go for it - give it a shot and watch crime skyrocket.... oh wait.
SCC please make a thread! The below article about he ATF is a farce!!
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170626/bridgeport/chicago-gun-violence-federal-help-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-atf-ballistics-van-trump-send-in-the-feds
I am an ET and this whole set up is a joke. Our lab has the exact same cababilites as this van and can return results in the same time frame. Only difference is theirs is mobile, but it is NOT OPERATIONAL on scene. It is all smoke and mirrors. The van needs 220 volts to run the machines. Has anyone seen a 220 line run to the van on scene? NOPE. The van must return to Homan Square and park in the garage to have access to the 220 line to operate. Best part is the lab a few floors up has the exact same technology!!!
It is complete and utter bullshit to have the mayor and a US senator lie to the public in this article to give them a false belief that we have some how received help from the "Feds"
Also, all this does is catalog all the evidence in a database. You can tell that the fired cases from today at say 79th and shields have been fired from the same gun in which fired cases were recovered from a different location in the past. It in no way tells you who shot the fucking gun. Say you do then have a gun recovered and can link that gun to 7 other shootings or still DOES NOT tell you who shot the gun. It's a catalog system plan and simple.
Oh it can be run from propane tanks hooked up to the van as well but those are not being bought and used cause they don't want to pay the money to refill them everyday.
Dog and pony show and it's finest and the media needs to start calling the politicians on this bullshit.
To the unpublished ignoramus:
We've been advocating for the Second Amendment, less government and a strict adherence to the Constitution longer than you've been yanking your crank in mummy's basement.
Typical ignorant johnny-come-lately to the party.
tony riccio for supt
Hmmmmm...
It seems a lot of people are getting very pissy
with Tom Mullin for articulating what IS ACTUALLY
HAPPENING to The Police, Policing and the soon-to-be
outmoded popular notion of what "Public Safety" is...
Not to mention how the ACLU, #BLM, the media,
the remnants of the Obama DOJ, the white-guilt addled
Liberal Progressive Alinskyites who control the media
and dictate the content in furtherance of an agenda,
the large urban center Democratic political power
apparatus and the catered-to constituencies that the
Democratic political power apparatus uses as a weapon
against the rest of everybody else - are now dictating
what The Police, Policing and "Public Safety WILL ENTAIL
from here on out...
Heh!
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Every man according to his conscience
that which he believes will allow him
to stand before his God in judgement.
You "normal" people should be scared
out of your wits about the ugly shit
that's coming.
As an upright 20th Century Gunman
is credited with saying:
"It's YOUR hide.
How much do YOU value IT?
It's going to be so much fun seeing all these
people with nothing but a bulging ass-pocket
full of opinions on how Policemen ought to
conduct themselves, how Policing ought to be
done and what "Public Safety" should be,
having to actually fend for and protect
themselves.
Remember...
Protecting yourself and what you worked your
ass off to acquire, is racist, hateful, mean
and uncharitable.
As we heard one of the reckless swing-dicks say:
"Them that has, gots to give..."
We and a few other say:
"Fukdat."
Anonymous said...
Can't imagine sleeping in the 1st dist with all those rats. If we cooked there, the rats and the police would have to fight it out over the food. I like the idea of a fire schedule, just think about it, we could work the trades and double our salaries just like they do on those Daily's. We would be liken to an undertaker, just call us to collect the bodies.
6/26/2017 08:29:00 AM
The "Police Reform" joyful haters are already war-gaming
on how to restrict/curtail off-duty money making opportunities
for Chicago Policemen...
"Cops make too much money."
"Cops ought to me made to live
on one paycheck only just like the
rest of us."
"So sick of seeing all these nice cars
in the Police Parking Lot."
"So sick of these retired Cops bragging
about how they retired in their 50's and
moved out of Chicago and took their
pensions with them while we have to work
until our 70's..."
Policemen are considered to be less-than...
Yet this shithole state still fucks with us legal gun owners. This state wants us to be victims, isnt it obvious how they treat us compared to the multiple felons? It sure as hell is to me.
Oh, and fuck you rahm.
"I mean don't ask my advice I've only been doing it 26+ years, what would I know?" Maybe people should start asking us what the problem is. The thing is they won't like the answer.
Isn't that the same as being Fetal?
It makes as much sense as making Mimes into Clowns.
(OT) here we go not chiraq but Lansing the dishonest anti police media 24/7 again:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/263944689-story
You would need a way to remove the water cannon from the engine and mount an M60. They both can be considered a fire suppression apparatus.
Anonymous said...
Let's do this, and lets appease them further by having police of their own race policing them in order to stop the racist police. This makes perfect sense. The violent crime rate should quadruple overnight but hey lets give each community what they want. In my neighborhood I want police patrolling. What I have in 016 is pretty much what this article is talking about.
6/26/2017 02:09:00 PM
You want black cops policing black people? Has this not happened in Detroit, Baltimore, Pheonix Illinois, a multitude of South Suburbs, Maywood? Has the result been any better? There is no evidence out there that race matters one bit in hoe effective a person is as a police officer. POnly a racist would propose such a solution.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yet this shithole state still fucks with us legal gun owners. This state wants us to be victims, isnt it obvious how they treat us compared to the multiple felons? It sure as hell is to me.
Oh, and fuck you rahm.
6/26/2017 06:11:00 PM
True even the retired coppers are getting squeezed for money it's great that we can carry any state but every year we have to qualify and pay that hundred dollars while concealed carry owners pay and get a three your permit but yet the policeman who have given their lives protecting people know how to handle a weapon still qualify every year just given the state more money ridiculous Kevin Graham besides the pension issue which is number one you better get it taken care of stop sending out nonsense that you know is not true get the painter taken care of get this taken care of how about five years for police officers to requalify don't be scared take a leap of faith just get it done!
Whatever happen to WeeZees 02 District Fiasco?
6/26/2017 06:04:00 AM
Not sure but Im guessing it will be sustained and she will get a slap on the wrist so it all looks legit.
http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-macrae/in-the-absence-of-fathers-a-story-of-elephants-and-men/
The police cannot take care of black society's ills nor should be blamed. Have the fathers STAY THE FUCK HOME!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
tony riccio for supt
6/26/2017 04:16:00 PM
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Ha Ha Ha ..... No
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Let's do this, and lets appease them further by having police of their own race policing them in order to stop the racist police. This makes perfect sense. The violent crime rate should quadruple overnight but hey lets give each community what they want. In my neighborhood I want police patrolling. What I have in 016 is pretty much what this article is talking about.
6/26/2017 02:09:00 PM
You want black cops policing black people? Has this not happened in Detroit, Baltimore, Pheonix Illinois, a multitude of South Suburbs, Maywood? Has the result been any better? There is no evidence out there that race matters one bit in hoe effective a person is as a police officer. POnly a racist would propose such a solution.
6/26/2017 11:16:00 PM
Remember eddie saying he talked to black people and said "Blacks believe that blacks should police blacks" and that "people of color relate better to people of color" eddie said that goof, maybe it should be tried why not?
6/26/2017 06:11:00 PM
True even the retired coppers are getting squeezed for money it's great that we can carry any state but every year we have to qualify and pay that hundred dollars while concealed carry owners pay and get a three your permit but yet the policeman who have given their lives protecting people know how to handle a weapon still qualify every year just given the state more money ridiculous Kevin Graham besides the pension issue which is number one you better get it taken care of stop sending out nonsense that you know is not true get the painter taken care of get this taken care of how about five years for police officers to requalify don't be scared take a leap of faith just get it done!
Just left IROCC qualifying last week Range guy tried to explain the difference. Carried concealed doesn't allow you to carry in every state. IROCC does. You can carry in all 50 states. Also the cost is high because IROCC gets no subsidies and is solely supported by the $75 & $100 shooting fees. City and state give no help
He also addresses the 1 and 5 year difference. He stated that is for any citizen or us, but that the IROCC is only for retired police and consequently by law we are required to qualify once a year, the same as active police and are also required to qualify on the same Ouse. It all has to do with us being former pilice
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