It's Over....Seriously
- In a rare decision, the city's police watchdog determined that a Chicago police officer's fatal shooting of a 15-year-old boy during a foot chase five years ago was "unprovoked" and "unwarranted."
That ruling, released Thursday night by the Independent Police Review Authority, comes a little over a year after the city settled with the family of Dakota Bright for nearly $1 million after he was fatally shot in the back of his head by an officer on the South Side in November 2012.
IPRA sustained complaints filed that the officer, who is not named in the ruling, used unreasonable force when he shot the teen, who was fleeing from police and was 50 feet away when he was struck. The officer had said he thought the teen was armed and turned toward him, but police didn't find a weapon on the teen.
Notice how the Tribune obliquely slanders the officer involved - "police didn't find a weapon on the teen." You have to read almost tho the end of the article to find this:
- Though a gun was recovered nearby, IPRA's investigation also questioned whether Dakota was in possession of the weapon at the time he was shot, according to the report.
The gun recovered was seen and described by the officer during the chase. And given a reasonable officer's perception of the situation (backed by the Law and Supreme Court decisions), the shooting was ruled justified many years ago. But here comes IPRA reopening and re-investigating shootings, not based on any new evidence or fresh witnesses, but based solely on a political end that needs to be met in order to grant COPA instant credibility as an investigatory agency and Rahm as some sort of "reformer."
If you have been involved in any shooting, even on the periphery, you are (despite Rahm's protestations) a political pawn. And you will be sacrificed in a heartbeat. First and foremost, protect yourself.
If you have been involved in any shooting, even on the periphery, you are (despite Rahm's protestations) a political pawn. And you will be sacrificed in a heartbeat. First and foremost, protect yourself.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
120 Comments:
Actually IPRA has shown the Officer had made conflicting statements in his original interview with the Detectives on scene.
The Officer in question has been named and had numerous excessive force complaints levied against him during that time and the city had paid out 1.1mil to settle those complaints. In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in.
Rham when you gonna hire 1000 more cops... society you represent is looking to get a beef lawsuit and strike it rich
This is Rham clearing the decks of any old cases the City paid out big (or will pay out big). He needs to be seen as the reformer in the A.A. community. Remember, he needs about 35-40% of the A.A. vote (of those that end up voting) to force a runoff to his 3rd term. He's promising big money to the current A.A. Alderman who back him early and trying to ward off any competitor
s like Kurt Summers. Ol'Kurt's biding his time, he knows Rhamies is in the weeds and Taxwinckle hasn't committed yet (but she will soon enough). Only thing that saves Rhamie is a casino deal with Springfield but he's gotta be willing to give up control to the gaming board?!?!
REMEMBER, YOU'RE JUST A PAWN TO THESE PEOPLE AND THEY WILL DISCARD YOU WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.
STOP CHASING ON FOOT OR IN CARS. GO TO YOUR JOBS, CUT PAPER, PROTECT YOUR FAMILY (BOTH BLUE & BLOOD) AND GO HOME TO YOUR FAMILIES. ITS JUST NOT WORTH IT! I
CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH - WE LOST THIS BATTLE TO THE LIB'S, LETS HOPE WE WIN THE WAR AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
TRUST ME, FOR I KNOW WHAT I SPEAK OF - UNFORTUNATELY!!!
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
FUCCKKKKK THAT!!!!! This som bullll shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. In the famous words of an 008dist old timer
This officer has a great lawsuit. If he was already cleared then this case is closed. With the money he will collect from the suit he can retire in style. Fukk this city.
The Process is the Punishment.
The poor bastard is having his life turned upside down AGAIN. This circus will go on for how many months or years?
When you are a working police officer it's hard to switch it off. If this doesn't tell you to stay fetal nothing will. Everyone, including the States Attorney, the mayor, most Aldermen, the media, the bosses, are all looking to fuck us given the chance. They all want to make us the bad guys. FETAL!
Please view this video which currently is in the news. "Police officer captures his own shooting on glasses camera" at : liveleak.com/view?i=cb7_1502405948 This occured in Jan of 2016 but offender was was just convicted. Officer Quincy Smith of the Estill S.C. Police Department was trying to do a street stop on offender when he shot the officer four times. After seeing it you will question do you really want to stop anyone in Chicago's political climate.
I give it til the chillens go back to school that some hard charging hair gel blasts an honor student.
Last call...
Let the ghetto implode. They don't want you there. Doing nothing proactive greatly reduces your chances of being put through the wringer. You folks in units and on tact teams that are still activity circus seals to keep those precious spots are especially susceptible. But you're smarter than everyone else and it'll never happen to you.
You've been warned. Again.
Well, that's just great......go out and get 'em boys
That is why everyone should stay fetal!!! Fuck these politicians and there games. Let the city burn. Protect our homes in our good neighborhoods that we WORKED hard for and that is it. Protect and back each other up and that is all. Fuck all this bull shit of fucking the police officer who's trying to DO GOOD. So I guess thats the first thing on my mind when I get to work is to kill someone. Unbelievable! Don't do a damn thing anymore but answer your calls. STAY FETAL AND BACK EACH OTHER UP.
IPRA taking a cue from D.C. on timing of press
releases and the media cycle. This one, under
the cover of darkness. Under cover, under cover,
under cover of the night. Makes it appear like
the worked up to the last minute.
unfortunately some officers do not understand the meaning of "staying fetal". Thats OK......we have some slow learners. They will have to learn the hard way which will involve be stripped and receiving the 30 pending notification. You can lead a horse to water but.....
Actually IPRA has shown the Officer had made conflicting statements in his original interview with the Detectives on scene.
The Officer in question has been named and had numerous excessive force complaints levied against him during that time and the city had paid out 1.1mil to settle those complaints. In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in.
8/12/2017 12:13:00 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How soon after the incident did the officer make his statements?
When were those "conflicting" statements made? Within those first statements or upon IPRA's re-opening 5yrs later?
Numerous excessive force complaints? A young copper in a fast dist. gets those kind of complaints.
What bothers me is that IPRA investigated this 5 years ago and then re-opened this after their investigation was over.
Based on what info did they re-open? Mamma badgering them that her son didn't have no gun or real evidence?
Did the weapon that was recovered nearby (how close?) have the offenders prints or partial prints?
The FOP had better be on top of this and all the shootings that IPRA is investigating.
The FOP had better come out with some kind of statement regarding this decision.
It's ok if the offender you shoot is white, right?
The pendulum has swung so far left, it's at the 11:59 position. If we can't read the handwriting on the wall, look around. It's pitchforks and torches time from the mobs, led by venal politicians.
There must be a place in Hell for Rahm.
A comment above said something of the officer and complaints and previous cost to the city.
Everyone gets complaints.
It's interesting that the criminals priors cannot be read into the record.
Such innocence!
I guess the 1000 new recruits will all have a felony or two, as anyone with half a brain would never subject themselves to this. Nobody needs this.
A person must look at the bottom of the barrel crud both in and out of the department, city.
Rahm will re-open any & everything in his blatant attempt to rally 'community' support for his failing 3rd term re-election bid.
Bizarro World
The officer should file a civil suit against IPRA.
If the family was paid off they "aint" the one who filed a complaint.
So you have a UNIT of government stating that a shooting was unlawful, after an actual police department deemed the shooting legal.
SOMEBODY is wrong. File the lawsuit so you can actually get the background on all those agents of IPRA training and skills.
If families are paid off the complaints should be halted its like prosecuting without a victim. Just think C.I. from the states attorneys office.
Again... STOP playing police . The best course of action is to answer your calls and DO NOT engage the public unless you absolutely have to. Let this city implode and when you retire take your pension and leave the city , because it is teetering on become Detroit real soon. But until that day arrives do the bare minimum and stay fetal.
Don't dwell on the complaints already against him. What did you expect? If you work in a mud hole you're gonna get dirty. He wasn't given a soft assignment, but worked tactical in a south side ghetto district which is consistently ranked with having the highest crime rates in the city. The "boy" he was chasing had a gun....PERIOD!! The rank and file will be watching Supt. Johnson's decision on this one!
Actually IPRA has shown the Officer had made conflicting statements in his original interview with the Detectives on scene.
The Officer in question has been named and had numerous excessive force complaints levied against him during that time and the city had paid out 1.1mil to settle those complaints. In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in.
8/12/2017 12:13:00 AM
--------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for commenting, IPRA / COPA "investigator". You should get off the blog now. I hate to inform you, but just as the woman who sleeps with every man she meets at the club can still be raped, no one should be judged by their previous incidents whether you agree with them or they cost the city money or not. Also, you should consider the very likely scenario that the whole notion of "costing the city money" may be because the city hands out settlement money to the first person who makes any sort of complaint, whether it's legit or not. Much like the CTA handing out money to every person who would come to make a report saying "I was on that bus when it got hit" after they see a crash on the news. Maybe the city shouldn't hand out settlements left and right.
You sicken me with your attitude. A gun was recovered you morons. The kid is on Facebook holding guns. But you don't want to judge him by that, do you? Oh no. It must be the cop that was a bad person. GTFO.
This serves as a reminder for officers to not speak to anyone on scene until after you've had your 3 days. Any detective who gets it, although it may slow his investigation, will absolutely respect and understand you protecting yourself and looking out for your family. There is no detective or white shirt who has ever been the real police who would hold this against you.
8/12/17 @ 12:25:00am
Moron, you can get a complaint just for being assigned to work with someone. You can be inside the station using the bathroom and your partner does something you have no knowledge of and because they get a complaint for their actions, guess what? You get one too.
You can also get one just for showing up as an assist car, even if you don't exit your car and never make it to the scene!?!?!
and lastly, lets not forget the jaded, angry they got caught, f*ck da poleece mentality of the criminal or person engaged(ing) in criminal mentality.
But I still want to get on the tact team.
Don't put yourself in a position where you might have to shoot. Unless another officer needs help, take your time getting to calls, drive the speed limit or less, and stop three seconds or more at every stop sign. Take the long route. Do nothing proactive. If you see a gang member with a gun in his hand walking down the street smile and wave. No vehicle pursuits and no foot chases. Not doing police work is the best de-escalation strategy. Remember the offender has more political capital than the victim/complainant and police.
But fear not, between gang on gang shootings and opiod overdoses Ofc. Darwin is on the beat.
12:25 Am : Yes the City paid out over a million dollars in lawsuits ,but this newsworthy incident was $ 925,000 itself. What were the others ,$1500 each? What did the P.O. do, give the Ghetto Rat a Bitch slap?
Kimesha Foxx wants to put as many White Police Officers in jail as she can! Do nothing , who cares if these ghetto mutts kill each other?
I want to know the qualifications of the stellar COPA investigators that came up with this ridiculous conclusion.
More cops:
1. Less chases, offender more likely to encounter a cop by proximity than having to be pursued.
2. Less bulk crime. Random encounter with a cop prior to attempting a crime.
3. Less business for CC jail. Less crimes, lower cost to support jails, court. (More cops pay for themselves.) Less people in jail and cost savings spill over to Illinois govt.
4. Less cop stress. Knowing you have help close by.
5. Less weapons. Criminals know that there would be more random encounters with law enforcement.
6. More community interaction. Proximity of cops to law abiding people make the people comfortable with cops as a protector and back them up, as the cops feel invested in the community as they watch children they know in the community grow up and support their community. * I knew plenty of cops that had brought kids home to their parents after the kid did something stupid. That usually was a life lesson for the kid.
I know I spout the obvious. Politicians are stupid, criminal, or profit from the divisions in our city, or they would expand the force and save money. (I state the obvious again.)
It is way over if you work as a police officer today and you want to be the real police you need to get a real psychological examination. Then Hollywood with their bastardization of police officers throughout the country has released the movie Detroit perpetuating a false narrative about police officers from over 50 years ago and today we read another anti-police movie being released call let it fall Los Angeles showing what the police do but as usual the false narrative keep your heads on a swivel officers the animals go to see these crazy dishonest films movies the media puts them on the front page of their papers saying how great they are bottom line stay fetal keep your job keep your freedom keep your family if you want to work lose your job lose your freedom lose your family it is simple as that!
We get paid a good salary we get paid whether we are being crazily proactive or just responding to calls you need to choose to just respond to calls play like you're a fireman they don't get in trouble most of the time their blood pressure is low they happily retire with the pension that matches ours all for working 81 days out of the year!
If anyone who has taken the new use of force "class" yet know this is in direct violation of what they are telling you to do to follow a new use of force policy to be protected by the dept and the law. But when you have elected people and an appointed group of people who have no training in the law or policing they make lawless decisions based not on a reasonable belief or the perception of the officer but for political reasons.
someone running from the police with a gun articulated by what the officer seen, refusing to stop, surely is a provoked action. The fact that he had a gun originally means until he complies he is assumed armed and dangerous. Weather or not he still had one on him or not.
By IPRA saying "that since Dakota didn’t have a gun on him, it was “unlikely” that he would have made a gesture to suggest otherwise."
IPRA clearly has absolutely no training on policing and the safety measures officer are taught to go home and not in a body bag. But the dept and the mayor say officers need more training. That is a complete fucking joke.
The FOP should immediately file a lawsuit and order to stop all ipra investigations until they have proven to have been fully trained in the law and the complete training of how to be a police office including a complete PPO period of riding in a squad on patrol for 18 months. Equal protection goes for everyone. Otherwise the city is unfairly investigating officers in an unjust manner.
LAWSUIT
What is Eddie Johnson going to do?
And now Idiot Foxxxx says her Office will take another look at the case, i.e. this Officer is now going to be put through the criminal ringer for something that was already ruled justified. All just so Tiny Dancer and Foxxx can gain political points with scumbags.
Anyone out there doing ANYTHING proactively is a fool. Not only are you putting your self financially and criminally at risk, you are also putting the coppers who come to save your stupid ass at risk as well.
Advice to Officers is spot on.
As a resident I am sickened by these political hacks and followers ruining our city. It's up to the people to stand up to this bull..You get the government you deserve. Daily carjacking, assaults, babies children shot.
Just like with the pop tax avoid all entertainment, business in Chicago and lets' see how long the city allows this criminality. It has not affected their bottom line yet.
On another note. How can conversations between police and union rep to be used in court. Aren't Union reps like an attorney? Are conversation between you and your attorney disclosed in courts? Two measures!
People are fetal toward the political machine in Chicago then so should you "Stay Fetal"
8/12/2017 12:25:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Exactly what is wrong with this Dept.
Don't be a pawn and let them "play" with your life. Don't engage. Fuck them. If they won't support you when they don't need you, fuck them when they need you!
J.J.
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
Yes. Let's be fair about this. Those 20 complaints against the officer in question......what were they for? How many of those complaints had an affidavit attached to them? And how many of those complaints that were filed were closed because the accuser refused to cooperate? In that case the officer usually gets a "non-sustained", rarely a "exonerated". And as far as lawsuits are concerned, when was the last time the city went to court to fight it? No. They would rather make a payout to make it go away.
Yes. Let's be fair.
IPRA is an arm of Rahmicide's 2018 re election campaign...Rhamy.. Dimms set to throw Polleze under the bus for 2018 mayor run
Unless youall got skills for another $100,000 job.. got to think what is best for you first and the Ghettoites 2nd.. in any interactions
To those who are questioning the alleged amount of complaints this officer has, you can't be the police. Any working police officer knows that if your on the street making arrests(Doing your job) you will accumulate complaints. Gee wonder why? The criminals don't want to be arrested therefore they know the system. Make false complaints to get the police to back down. When you're arresting someone with a gun or a large amount of narcotics or any other serious felony, do you believe they just put their hands behind their back and say take me to jail. You have to use force, it's called being a police officer. The Monday morning quarterbacking is disgraceful. Stay fetal is definitely something to be considered. However over time crime will be coming to our neighborhoods. Guaranteed
STAY FETAL and if you are not already,[cannot imagine why] then become FETAL!
"...This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer..."
925,000 was one payout....but am positive that this officer was not given any additional oversight, mentoring, training, counseling, SUPPORT from the dept-....the # of complaints/lawsuits are tracked - but no one in headquarters or city HR gives a rats ass about the individual members
Off Topic........What happened with the Health Care ruling at court? I think last Wednesday was the hearing date.
SCC You have to get a better message out to our brothers and sisters. The FOP is incapable and incompetent. The rules have changed. The Supt. does not have the final say on discipline matters. When Ipra sustains a finding its goes to the Supt for review. If he does not concur with Ipra you would think it would be over because he is the one ultimately in charge of instituting and enforcing general orders and has the knowledge and experience to do so. This is not the case. If the Supt and Ipra doesn't agree with a solution then the case is decided by a member of the police board to decide whether or not the case goes to the police board. In every instance that this has occurred, the police board has decided to hear the case. Once this happens your are stripped and put into a no pay status until your hearing is over. It could be up to 8-9 months until a resolution. So basically what this means is if Ipra/copa sustains a complaint and they want separation or suspension of 30 days or more, the Supt can't help you and your case is going in front of the board and your going into a no pay status if it's a separation case. Any rule 14 case can be brought as a separation case. This is very important because in my opinion copa is going to be using rule 14 a lot. You may have a minor complaint, but once your fill out the to/from and they say you falsified the report. You now have a rule 14 case and they want to fire you. There is no oversight for Ipra/copa anymore. Lori Lightfoot and the board, Ipra,copa are all the same now and have the same agenda. The bottom line here is unfortunately we have no protections. Ipra/copa are free to do as they please due to our mayor and lack of proper union leadership. The mayor has also raised the budget for copa. They're coming hard and strong against us with a complete bias. Everyone please be careful and go home to your families safe every night. Nobody wants us to do our jobs anymore. If any white shirt expects proactive police work, then you know what that person is all about. Themselves
**Newsflash**
....Police officers are legitimate targets...From the mopes and dopes to the shiny and clean people in front of the cameras standing on top of the bodies of the rank and file...
You know very well who your enemies are. Grin and nod to everyone and pretend to care.
Caring about your job can and will be used against you in a court of law, or in your supervisor's office behind closed doors.
The cost-benefit math actually is very easy to do.
Protect you and yours......Just grin, nod and pretend to care.
Department has taken the stance that dept policy trumps the law and supreme court decisions. We are now "at will" employees with a useless Grahm FOP administration. But going further, it they don't want us to follow the law then don't teach us the law. "Shots fired squad? I'll keep my Sgt. happy and go get a parker instead."
OPS, IPRA and coming soon, multi-level highly paid utterly biased COPA.
And if that doesn't work Rahm (or the next Democrat) will find another acronym to screw us over.
Regardless of who did the stopping, the chasing or the shooting, the end result wasn't worth that CB number.
Reassess your life goals - don't let the Democrats decide.
1st & 16th.
"If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
– Anton Chigurh
Who in their right mind still chases a potential lawsuit?
You want to do something for the community let them figure it out on their own. Hold hands with the community on the street corners and pretend. If you really want to make it look good cry out loud to God to stop the killings.The ignorant like that. It'll make you look like you care. Then go home have a drink and forget you were ever there.
Want to really play it up? March along side father faker chanting some bullshit in front of the cameras. Even though he'll hate having you up front with him tell him in your cop voice for all the press to hear that you're there for him and the community and make sure to hug him in front of the cameras. And if you can stomach it, shed a tear. You'll look great. Then go home forget about the crap you just got paid for and use that money to take your family out for a nice dinner.
Don't think you can do it? Sure you can. Our Cook County politicians do it everyday.
As for you bosses who keep trying to motivate us, piss off. You want to help the "community" so bad then you go out there make a difference. I'll wait it out.
There's never a lawsuit when they kill each other.
Anonymous said...
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
Well then, to look at both sides and while being fair, one would realize that twenty criminals can easily file false complaints with the City settling as they usually do in order to appease the community and enrich the campaign contributing law firms. That is called looking at both sides and supporting the officer. To be fair about it, you should keep your theories of removing officers from the streets to yourself without overwhelming proof of wrongdoing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When you are a working police officer it's hard to switch it off. If this doesn't tell you to stay fetal nothing will. Everyone, including the States Attorney, the mayor, most Aldermen, the media, the bosses, are all looking to fuck us given the chance. They all want to make us the bad guys. FETAL!
Better that you switch off now than after you get the one bad beef. After what you will be put they, you will definately turn the switch off. Why put yourself They that, having cases opened up 5 to 10 years later, not knowing if you are going to get indicted over bullshit, listing your assets to a lawyer. Only then will you say. " why didn't I stay fetal"
Libel. Slander. Defamation.
Just like with run away lying "news" reporters, the only way to respond to these "reports" is to nail em on the legal front, in the legal arena. That is the only way to make it stop.
The writer uses the word "teen" to make him seem sympathetic, but they've been using it to refer to the wrong sort of people for so long, the word "teen" now sounds sinister.
Re...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
---
You must be a peach to work with! Do us all a favor and stay in the station.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This officer has a great lawsuit. If he was already cleared then this case is closed. With the money he will collect from the suit he can retire in style. Fukk this city.
You are kidding? Cases are reopened all the time and reinvesting acted. Just because IPRA initially cleared you doesn't mean crap.
Stay FETAL!
Anonymous said...
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
Hey backer, how many of those 20 complaints were sustained? And of that 1.1million in lawsuits, $965K came from this one incident. That leaves $135K spread out over five other incidents?
You weren't there.
What law suit?
There is not statue of limitation on administrative cases.
And no double jeopardy in admin cases.
They can open anything and it's up to accused to defend himself.
Don't count on FOP they are burning thru money on the most recent cases.....
I know I have been there.... pulled pin and retired and dragged back for more fun and games.
Was the kid in school on Nov 12th prior to shooting.
I ask since pattern of robberies that week matched this kid?
But no one looked at it
Retired
Well you have to do something to get a Northwestern Professor involved in a sexually motivated murder off the front page, that's who behind everything.
Momma, the newly-minted, tax-free millionaire, was boo-hooing, blabbering and demanding all over the news programs. She wants the officer to be fired and prosecuted. She said her chighell didn't have no gun.
Just like in Europe Chicago is becoming a city of No Go Zones. Just pull the cops out of these areas and let the animals kill each other off. There is absolutely no backing from the city. None. Do your basic duties and just hope you don't get caught up in a bad incident.
OPS, IPRA, COPA, what's next? Seems it's all smoke screens for political hacks. Waste of rax payers $
go out and get them guys. My lawyers need more $$$$. We will also want your home family and first born. When the hell will you learn? STAY FETAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go directly to the hospital and call fop and demand an attorney not a retired boss or detective,a real lawyer If they refuse have an attorney list on you phone and call one of them. Do not wait. Only answer questions being ordered to do do and turn your camera on and record it all. Also if a Det or a fob rep asks you any questions do not answer the Det or any other police officer without be ordered to.An document who you talk with and name and star number. Remember ask for a lawyer no matter what in all serious incidents.As the judge said the door is open. Please keep the door and your mouth shut for your own good.Also if your partner is also involved communicate thru a lawyer. Keep it protected. Turn the game on them. The bosses get protected as we have seen in the JVD incident. They retired even though they signed off as a good shoot. Even fast Eddie,they made him the Superintendent. The game is fixed and not for you. Stay fetal and employed and alive.
Charlottesville Police and Virginia State Police donned riot gear and forcefully moved peaceful White members of the Alt-Right who lawfully assembled in a park (with a permit), while allowing violent BLM, ANTIFA, and other assorted left wingers (without a permit) to run amok. Sad day for the 1st Amendment.
One easy to avoid criminals with guns who may choose to shoot you is to not do shit.
IPRA is completely useless.
Anonymous said...
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
8/12/2017 12:25:00 AM
Lets be fair about every criminal's family and friends filing bogus complaints!
Yes it definetly is over. Spoke to a good friend who is currently fighting to get his job back. One of the best policemen I've known. We both agreed you really can't be an aggressive officer anymore period. It's just a matter of time before they hang you out to dry. Young and old alike need to adjust. No more foot chases no more fighting with offenders who are attempting to defeat arrest. Call in the flash message and do the paper. If he's identified put it down and get a warrant. If you do have to fire your weapon to protect yourself make no statements and ask for a lawyer. They may try and fire you for not making a statement buts it only a job, your family and Your freedom are far more valuable then this job.
Rahm is like an Aztec warrior putting you guys and gals out their for human sacrifice......officer beware of this political football being thrown around!
Actually IPRA has shown the Officer had made conflicting statements in his original interview with the Detectives on scene.
The Officer in question has been named and had numerous excessive force complaints levied against him during that time and the city had paid out 1.1mil to settle those complaints. In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in.
and why in the world would you be talking right after the incident? I shot my weapon x number of times. end period of statement. I am too emotionally upset to talk right now. I need an attorney. I do not feel well. Call me an ambulance.
When Rham runs for office next time you can bet that one of his talking points will be that he fired numerous rogue police officers who violated the oath they swore. Fuck you Rham
Dont be a bullet point in rhams fucking election speech.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The officer should file a civil suit against IPRA.
If the family was paid off they "aint" the one who filed a complaint.
So you have a UNIT of government stating that a shooting was unlawful, after an actual police department deemed the shooting legal.
SOMEBODY is wrong. File the lawsuit so you can actually get the background on all those agents of IPRA training and skills.
If families are paid off the complaints should be halted its like prosecuting without a victim. Just think C.I. from the states attorneys office.
8/12/2017 06:39:00 AM
Families are paid off all the time in civil court. It has nothing to do with a criminal case or a prosecution. Most times families are paid off, not because the officer or city are guilty, but they don't want to take the chance of incurring a larger judgement
You seriously think 20 complaints is a lot? How many were sustained? Exonerated? I'm guessing you have no idea but yet still run your mouth.
Make no mistake.
Rahm has ordered these witch hunts.
He doesn't give a fuck about us. To him his only concern is to incessantly pander to "the community"
I am always on the officer's side, however, we have to look at both sides now. This officer accumulated more than 20 complaints and people collected more than one million dollars in lawsuits against this officer. This guy was shot and yes I believe the officer's story, however, an officer that accumulates this many complaints and is part of so many lawsuits should not be on the streets. let's be fair about this
______________________________________________________________________________________________It was said above. How many of those complaints had merit? As for the lawsuits, the city will always pay now because Rahm gets campaign kickbacks from the lawyers who get automatic payouts. Stop posting your bulletin points you stole from the newspaper. Or are you a news troll? God forbid you would look deeper into a case lest the police might look good.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And now Idiot Foxxxx says her Office will take another look at the case, i.e. this Officer is now going to be put through the criminal ringer for something that was already ruled justified. All just so Tiny Dancer and Foxxx can gain political points with scumbags.
Anyone out there doing ANYTHING proactively is a fool. Not only are you putting your self financially and criminally at risk, you are also putting the coppers who come to save your stupid ass at risk as well.
8/12/2017 08:37:00 AM
Kim can "look" all she wants.
The statute of limitations for criminal action has come and gone.
Real bright Ms. Foxx
OT but, Charlottesville, VA, vehicle used as a weapon. Video on TMZ.com .
When are they going to charge to Mohamed Noor with first degree murder for shooting an unarmed woman not committing a crime??
OT and day late on community policing: I constantly see articles in sun times and statements by Rahm, Pfleger, Eddie that the only way for crime to be slowed is for neighborhood communities to step up. Sun Times has pushed this constantly. Ok, fine. So a year ago a violent felon pulls a gun in Mt Greenwood and attempts to shoot. If gun doesn't jam, we have injuries if not death. So the community stands up and denounces this. So what does Rahm, Pfleger and Sunday Times do when people do what they've been promoting? They cry racism. So Eddie, rahm, and especially sun times and Pfleger, you're full of crap. You need violence to make money. Preach all you want but the one neighborhood that stood up, sun times pushed race to sell papers and pfleger pushed race to steal more money. You're hypocrisy is sickening
To 10:12am: you are completely correct. I went through a situation where McCarthy backed me, Ipra didn't. McCarthy wanted 3 days, ipra wanted 30 pending. I fucked up and let a guy with a big mouth get to me. I admitted it. Also my 2nd complaint in 9 years in 007. Not a lot. McCarthy fought for me. At the end, 3 members of police board disagreed and put me in for termination. At police board ipra had only me pushing guy into side of squad car. Ipra stated there was kidnapping, beatings, district leaving and change of cars to cover. Zero evidence. Yet I went through hell to prove my innocence. And this was on only a 3rd party complaint. I got job back and took 3 days but my career was in limbo for 3 years due to ipra. So when u go to use of force and LT Anderson and commander King-Smith tell u that all is well as long as you follow the module, they're lying. They want unicorns, puppies and rainbow teachers. The truth scares them. The department doesn't have final say. Remember that hard chargers
I recently attended the new use of force class. They made it a point to stress that the new policy recognizes the officer has to make split second decisions and emphasizes there is to be no "monday morning quaterbacking".
Is this what they meant?
Anonymous said...
"...The Officer in question has been named and had numerous excessive force complaints levied against him during that time and the city had paid out 1.1mil to settle those complaints. In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in."
"and why in the world would you be talking right after the incident?
~Snip!~
8/12/2017 02:27:00 PM
The days of mindlessly racking up Excessive Force complaints
as a sign of "not being a dog-ass" and being a "worker"
and a "hard charger," "Ranger," or some other silly-assed
appellation, are fucking DEE-OH-EN-EEE, DONE!
"Getting In Trouble" to put BEE-AY-DEE m/fers behind
bars and society giving you the nod of acknowledgement
for doing it a solid, taking an administrative lick
and being taken care of on the back end for taking
that lick like a man?
DEE-OH-EN-EEE, DONE!
The powers that be are lining Policemen up
to be sent to PRISON for shit formerly acknowledged
as doing society a solid.
The handwriting is on the fucking walls and so many
of you Coppers are just in abject fucking denial
about it.
Hard Fucking Head
=
A Sad, Sore and Sorry Ass...
Back to matters at hand:
The Community says The Police shouldn't get any cooling-off
period after you're forced to shoot/kill a community member.
"We wants a statement right now so y'all don't have
a chance to get y'all stories together..."
This is the "Police Reform" these m/fers desperately want
in order to deflect from the community eating itself
alive with the traditional ritual violence.
No allowance for variation in individual Policemen
seeing/experiencing the same thing but interpreting/
expressing it differently.
Such individual human variance and differentiation
is now deemed as deception, and in furtherance, as a
now post incident official written/verbal Police Report,
is considered a Rule 14 violation.
They are artfully crafting "Police Reform" into something
nigh near impossible for the individual Officer to mount
a reasonable man explanation of a lawful and justified
Use of Force as viewed through the lens of his training
(or Heaven Help Him, LACK of training) and experiences.
"Police Reform" as it is being put forward in Chicago
is the very embodiment of evil itself.
It's the staggering height of hypocrisy and crazy too...
"NO! We don't WANT cooler heads to prevail!
Our agenda, our solutions, your problems."
Does anybody need any more proof to stay fetal?
To all u hard chargers go for it tough guy. You are on your own. Only a fool would do anything just answer calls pay is the same.
Don't do any police work let the south side and west side turn into a no go zone like in Europe!
Judge Peggy Champas for mayor!
#stayfetal
Two Virginia State Police killed in Bell 407 Helicopter
crash over Charlottesville.
I will never, ever, ever for the life of me understand the logic of the idiot liberal leaders. They have created a MASSIVE underclass of people with their gimmie programs, a class that votes for them because they supply oodles of gimmiedats, a class that will turn on them in a heartbeat if the gimmiedats ever slow down. These same leaders do everything they possibly can to piss off and hamper the lives of taxpayers, nickel and diming them to death, hogtying them with red tape, ignoring their cries for law and order, openly favoring tax leech ghetto rats in favor of taxpayers. So these leaders have trapped themselves between a mob of howling unwashed gimmiedat freeshitters, and a mob of angry productive people. If I found myself in that unenviable position (and I wouldn't, because I am neither an idiot nor a power hungry sociopath, both of which seem to be prerequisites for modern liberal leadership aspirants), I'd be best buddies ever with the one group of people helping to keep the shitshow form exploding: the cops. Even the moron running Venezuela has enough sense to keep cops and soldiers on the payroll and on his side. But nope, the liberals in charge do their damndest to degrade and destroy cops every chance they get.
Which I guess proves that liberalism is not only a mental disorder, it is also a death cult: nobody but a suicidal fool riles up everybody and demolishes the one force helping hold back chaos. Do they REALLY think that they'll even have a city left to run if they utterly destroy law and order?
They are nothing but agents of madness and chaos, and every city they get their claws into turns into a hellhole.
Shots fired at Bud Billiken parade, along the route. Bad guy in custody and weapon recovered. Let's see if it makes the evening news.
Guys *and gals, let's just sum this up as being what it is: you are under immense and unfair scrutiny because a little man who grew up on Wilmette sat on a tape. If that didn't happen, he wouldn't be Mayor, and he wouldn't be pandering to every black, hispanic and white-guilter in order to get re-elected in 2019.
As I posed the question the other day, I pose it once again:
SCC, can we get a running list of the ways in which this little man has failed this city, with the obvious being the obvious, and some of the not-so-obvious being just as equally important. How many of us have been born and raised here for some dictatorial little twat-bag who was raised elsewhere and actually claims his first citizenship to another country be allowed to govern us?
Yes, he who, as a man running for congress...used Water Department workers (Tomczack) on city time to get himself elected *I know that Richie now shits sideways for allowing this punk to become Mayor
The list goes on starts here, there and everywhere, but it goes on. He is not as slick as he thinks, and the sooner that we (black, brown, white, etc...) all come together to expose his bogus, the sooner he is gone. Until then, he continues to successfully pit each and every one of us against one another...CTU vs CPD...white vs black....so on and so forth. That is how little monsters turn into big monsters. And he is teetering on that Big part...he needs to be stopped.
Crazy finding. And on top of that they are making 44 captains who will undoubtedly tell me to go out and work for them without ever having done so themselves? You show me that you aren't afraid to do a patrolmens job and I will work with you captain. Thought so.
No mention of the shots fired on the Billiken Parade route today with one in custody ?
Guess the media wasn't allowed to report on that...
43 & King dr
Like it or not the nation's "toughest Sheriff" Tom Dart looks to be running. You seen his latest interviews?? A fresh haircut and even a shirt and tie!!!!!!
Charlottesville Police and Virginia State Police donned riot gear and forcefully moved peaceful White members of the Alt-Right who lawfully assembled in a park (with a permit), while allowing violent BLM, ANTIFA, and other assorted left wingers (without a permit) to run amok. Sad day for the 1st Amendment.
8/12/2017 01:45:00 PM
-------------------------------------
U sir are an idiot BOTH SIDES were ready to go and both sides were looking for a fight
Rahm know he needs the black vote and he is not going to get it. Black voters see right thru him. This attempt at luring them back is not going to work. Thats why he is Mr Big with President Trump and going thru the whole PR campaign with the illegal aliens. He is going to need the Latino,vote to replace the blacks he has lost. Latinos arent stupid either Rahm. You are a complete piece of shit. You fool no one. I hope Blacks and Latinos toss you to the curb. Just your stupid liberal fools and corrupt businessmen will vote for,you. You suck ass and are the very worst thing to ever happen to Chicago.
"Thank you for commenting, IPRA / COPA "investigator". You should get off the blog now. I hate to inform you, but just as the woman who sleeps with every man she meets at the club can still be raped, no one should be judged by their previous incidents whether you agree with them or they cost the city money or not. Also, you should consider the very likely scenario that the whole notion of "costing the city money" may be because the city hands out settlement money to the first person who makes any sort of complaint, whether it's legit or not"
Nice try asshat, Dial it down on the Schnapps and come back to the real world.OPS/IPRA or whatever they decide to call themselves this week are looking at histories and judgements involving the Officer in question. Your complaint history and statements will be scrutinized with a fine tooth comb looking for inconsistencies and they will reopen shit into what they deem is a pattern or politically expedient . That's why you have a Disciplinary History/CR File Dumbass.If you aren't clouted you will no doubtedly be in their crosshairs and wind up being the sacrificial lamb, even if you were previously exonerated. It's a new day crimefighter, be prepared to weather the shitstorm or go back to being a barista.
You young guys better get the drift what people here that know the game plan are giving advise to save your ass.
Us retired guys ruled the street, you guys are backed in a corner, wave and drive by. They will hang you with all this b.s COPA and a police board that looks like a facist 1940' court that had everyone shot. Rahm must really have no soul, he has bent to the welfare mentality to no end. This man is not fit to run a newspaper stand of the old days. Stay safe all you young bucks and read twice what SCC writes.
was said above. How many of those complaints had merit? As for the lawsuits, the city will always pay now because Rahm gets campaign kickbacks from the lawyers who get automatic payouts. Stop posting your bulletin points you stole from the newspaper. Or are you a news troll? God forbid you would look deeper into a case lest the police might look good.
8/12/2017 04:06:00 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The city has always paid on lawsuits.
I was named in a lawsuit for an incident that happened on my first night on the street.
It was bs.
But the city paid.
In this current climate previous incidents that show inconstiences while be reopened. Not saying it's just but that's the world we live in.
Inconsistencies my ass. If there were still "burning" questions, why did IPRA put this case to bed 5 years ago? What were the results of the depts. investigation? Why would the det's on the case allow it to be closed if the statements didn't measure up? I doubt that they would knowingly put themselves in a trick bag, risking employment, pension and possibly their freedom over something like this. And what about their supervisors? Didn't anyone of them catch these "inconsistencies"?
Are the IPRA officials who were involved in this 5 years ago, you know the one's that cleared the officer, are they still employed? If so, why aren't they being investigated as to why THEY cleared this case? Speaking of IPRA or, what are they called now.......ah, COPA....the Civilian Office of Police Accountability.....yes, true independence here. The first head of COPA was picked by Rahm. The future agency's directors will be chosen by an all civilian oversight board, which on the surface seems like true independence. However, who picks those civilians to serve on the board has yet to be defined, so again, it could be the Mayor's Office that fills those spots.
Yes. With a well stacked deck like this the average street cop has nothing to worry about. They will get a fair and "independent" investigation into whatever shit they may have stepped in.
/sarcasm
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This officer has a great lawsuit. If he was already cleared then this case is closed. With the money he will collect from the suit he can retire in style. Fukk this city.
8/12/2017 12:45:00 AM
With a death occurring, a case is never really "closed" if new evidence is discovered.
Yah but I took an oath. Oath this....
You might want to re-think that "statute" of limitations comment. Are you aware of the charges that could be brought and their time limits or lack of limits.
Billiken shooting kept inside Chi Town
water pipe. Not news elsewhere.
Rahm Regime controls communications.
Don't touch that T.V. dial.
We have control over transmission.
Hitler ordered books burned. Worm has
turned. National perception of Chicago
critical to lure major corporations, stimulate
local economy, sustain building trades, build
tax base. Only happy news will be released.
People know more about multi-million dollar
lottery ticket sold at Nick's as opposed to
Chicago underworld of gangs, illegals, drugs,
shootings, carjackings. Minister of Propaganda:
Rahm Emanuel, His Excellency. Born to Rule.
Anonymous said...
No mention of the shots fired on the Billiken Parade route today with one in custody ?
Guess the media wasn't allowed to report on that...
43 & King dr
8/12/2017 10:43:00 PM
I was wondering how it went.
Listened to newsradio for an hour's drive home last night and there wasn't one peep about that 'parade'.
It's been over for awhile now.
This should be the final death knoll for anyone still considering proactive policing.
As the recent ruling in the Van Dyke case shows, you should only talk to one person after you're involved in anything, whether you're a cop or not: your lawyer.
city pays because the Chicago thugs are democratic voting base
bought with free , free , free and soft on crime democratic judges
They made their bed let them sleep in it. Stop proactive police work, society does not want it and they will hang you out to dry when shit goes sideways.
I'll choose to learn from your mistakes.
A gun was recovered near the scene...? Was it processed for prints and DNA...? Could've been a double-edged sword, but proof the offender WAS in possession of the weapon wouldn't allow ipra to make assumptions that aren't "reasonable" at all, nor based on any evidence; which they've done here.
Speaking of IPRA/COPA, the IPRA/COPA second in command, Thomas Kim, left IPRA/COPA over a month ago, but his departure was not announced or explained. When he came here from NYC last November to create and launch COPA, his arrival was heralded all over the news programs and in print. Then he leaves before the COPA launch date of 15 September 2017 and not a peep. What's up with that? There is no death notice and there is no press release. It's like the guy disappeared.
He doesn't have to be all that slick just ballzy. The MSM will or do not want to stand up to him. Afraid of being out of the loop and not get that interview or sound bite for the 10:00 news.
What do you mean.....becoming a city of no go zones..
Congrats to the folks of Austin the first to hit 50. Englewood in second place with 36. An utter tragedy. The city a national disgrace
" I did it in good faith ".....
Rahm is an absolute piece of shit.
Yikes !,, that ruling would stop me from ever doing one lick of police work again.
Post a Comment
<< Home