Saturday, August 19, 2017

Nice Trains Rahm

The criminals aren't even waiting to get to the Happy Hunting Grounds - they're blasting victims on the train itself:
  • All the way home to the Far North Side, Ted Pertzborn couldn't stop thinking: Maybe it’s time to buy a gun.

    A crazy thought, he admitted later, but it had been a crazy evening Thursday.

    Less than an hour earlier, he had been on a Red Line train at Jackson in the Loop when two young men started arguing in front of him. One of them pulled a gun -- "a cannon" -- and shot the other man in the arm and the ankle.

    The shooting was so wild, Pertzborn was surprised he or other passengers weren't hit too.

    “I saw his right arm go up and saw a muzzle flash,’’ said Pertzborn, 44, a graphics designer who works in the Willis Tower. “I heard boom, boom, boom… Boom, boom, boom, boom. About five or six shots. It was a big gun."
Of course, a gun wouldn't have done him much good since guns are banned on CTA trains and platforms...

Hey, wait a minute. If guns are banned, how did this guy get shot on a train? Someone is lying here.

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65 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crazy Train.

8/19/2017 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't happen. No guns allowed on the CTA. Someone is definitely lying.

8/19/2017 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's mass transit doing? Nothing just locking up turnstile jumpers they are always no where to be found unless they are hiding in a hotel or the back of a restaurant.

8/19/2017 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank god for stores that have the "no guns allowed" stickers in their windows... they'll only be robbed with with knives.

8/19/2017 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im calling bs on this one. They have signs that say no guns allowed on cra property. You know only the real ccl citizens follow this rule not the BLM...

8/19/2017 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buy the gun, Sir. Take a Conceal/Carry class. Screw what the city says and carry it with you. Chicago has become a shooting gallery. If some arsehole threatens you with a gun on the CTA or any where else you are within your rights to defend yourself.

8/19/2017 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Glorious Gun Free Zone. Where only thugs and criminals have guns.

8/19/2017 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will you do if you catch someone who was behaving themselves, but armed on CTA, and they have a valid permit?
Will you cut them some slack, or fuck them over and throw them in the system?

8/19/2017 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fake news
Guns aren't allowed on the CTA.
Law abiding Joe can't carry

8/19/2017 02:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty simple actually. If someone needs to be shot, then shoot him where he stands, and a CTA train is as good as place as any. It might even be better than some places.

8/19/2017 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC- SCC, I am confused, since the old chief of dicks hit the bricks last summer is there anyone heading the D unit. This person is no where to be seen and never in front of camera' like the former chief of dicks. Did the Dep Chief' of dicks still a spot? Was Bonner the last one in that ghost spot ?
The new CPD has a ghost payroll of brass ghost pay roller'. Do the three dick units still has a cmdr'. You never hear or see them too. There must be no murdering happening any it' only a dream.


8/19/2017 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hey, wait a minute. If guns are banned, how did this guy get shot on a train? Someone is lying here."

Thanks, SCC. I needed that laugh...

8/19/2017 04:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As with traffic offenses... how many previous convictions relating to weapon specifically to a firearm ... before fox and crew decide to upgrade to the standard offense--- I say upgrade because everyone knows about that one incident involving the baby being a man slaughter charge when it was not that

8/19/2017 04:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trains and beaches Rham... and foia police shootings and wife's wedding dress in moldy basements Rham

8/19/2017 04:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't someone say something about train shootings right after Rahm dissed NYC. Seems the statements about Chicago violence may have been right.

8/19/2017 05:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your CCL then forget the part about where you can carry. There is no safe place in Chicago to be unarmed. If you are involved in a justifiable shooting don't worry at least you will be alive if not no worries.

8/19/2017 05:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The twerp murder mayor could give two shits about any taxpayers getting killed or shot by his catered to community, had the shooter been white or an off duty Police or Fireman his narrow ass would be holding a candlelight vigil...

8/19/2017 06:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The gun That was used didn't match the banned one with the red circle and slash on it, so it was acceptable to use???

8/19/2017 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahmie is such a putz!

8/19/2017 06:48:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Welcome to the real world Mr. North Side former liberal.

8/19/2017 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Maybe it’s time to buy a gun."

Maybe it's time to buy a car?

8/19/2017 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ted is better off moving to San Francisco with his coloring pencils and ditching Chicago altogether.

8/19/2017 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there was a City of Shitcago pop tax that would restore Police service on public transportation and in all the other areas its been taken from....Well, maybe people would vote for that…

8/19/2017 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont go begging for a permission slip to carry because then you agree not to carry on mass transit.

Instead, exercise your second amendment righgt to keep and bear arms for tge purpose of defense.

8/19/2017 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could stuff like this happen??? I thought all thoes cameras they installed were supposed to stop all these crimes and make people feel safer ? lol

8/19/2017 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger Baby"G" said...

It is almost certain that the elaborate camera system that has been in operation since Claypool, (Now in charge of another expensive joke, CPS) will "Capture" the miscreant! Granted a digital capture is not as reassuring as a physical capture,and recovery of the offending firearm, but be grateful for whatever King Rahn gives those of us lucky enough to live in his kingdom! And by maintaining a CTA Mass Transit Security operation of about 190 Officers, the City is saving enough to waste on personal and crony projects! CONSIDER THAT NUMBER CAREFULLY. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS IN THE ENTIRE MASS TRANSIT UNIT TO COVER EVEN HALF OF THE STATIONS ON THE SYSTEM, 24/7! To even create a Token Police Presence on buses and trains, the Mass Transit Unit is totally dependent on officers coming in on their days off and willing to work for STRAIGHT TIME PAY! While other overtime offers are time and a half. THE CTA IS UNSAFE, ANYWHERE AND AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT! THE CTA HAS MORE CAMERAS THAN COPS ASSIGNED TO PASSENGER SECURITY. IF YOU ARE ROBBED, RAPED OR BEATEN, BE SURE TO SMILE FOR THE CAMERA!

Meanwhile Rahm flutters around the City with an entourage of armed police in Armored SUV vehicles and 24/7 "physical" police coverage of his house. Cameras are not enough to guard the King, he wants cops present! Cameras are good enough for You and Your Children if they ride the CTA, but Rahm's family must have actual cops guarding his crib, even though he hates cops and guns! In this Kingdom as in all Kingdoms, there are Vassals, Knaves,Jesters and Peasants. Those riding the CTA are Peasants and Knaves, but they are good for the environment leaving very slight carbon footprints. Democrats flying in private jets and caravans of armored vehicles are very worried about YOUR carbon footprint! Baby "G"

8/19/2017 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're thinking about getting a gun, it's past time to get a gun. You're thinking about it because your thinking about your own personal safety. And the "What would I do if..." keeps going through your head.
Get one, learn gun safety and practice! Don't end up in a box. Or a hospital bed thinking "If I had only bought that gun."
Get your wife interested and get her a gun too. Practice with her. Some women are very good at shooting. If you live in the city and you're worried about your personal safety, hers is at risk too!

J.J.

8/19/2017 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Up grade the el to stop at the morgue.

8/19/2017 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just wish the riders of the CTA and the Northside residents would just enjoy the diversity of the city. You voted for these democrats what else fo you want. I'm sure the shootings in Chicago will stop after the statue of Robert E. Lee is taken down in Charlottesville. What a bunch of whining democrats. Oh wait the statue has already been taken down and the shootings continue....Never Mind. ♠️

8/19/2017 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will you do if you catch someone who was behaving themselves, but armed on CTA, and they have a valid permit?
Will you cut them some slack, or fuck them over and throw them in the system?


If the person is behaving himself there is little way he will be caught. Don't act the fool, stay quiet and cool and no one will ever know or care that you are packing.

8/19/2017 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make all the stupid rules you want, but know only law abiding citizens will follow them. The thugs will continue to hunt in gun free zones. Wake up people, better to be judged by 12 they carried by 6. If you have a permit just ignore the stupid CTA rules, the life you save may be your own

8/19/2017 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deputy chief of detectives is an old sour bag lady .... roaming...getting paid 6 figures..... her role? Wandering the hallways and streets picking up old cans and cigarette butts......

Signed,
Jealous Wisher

8/19/2017 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A busy downtown train stop and of course no mass transit police near by.

8/19/2017 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There ought to be a law ...

8/19/2017 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Didn't someone say something about train shootings right after Rahm dissed NYC. Seems the statements about Chicago violence may have been right.

8/19/2017 05:02:00 AM

I'm a CCL and carry every day I'm on the Orange line. This is the example for everyone who has a CCL. The criminals are going to have their guns no matter what sign your talking about. Here's what too do, carry the damn gun and forget about the signs. I'll take my chances, because my life is more important than a no gun sign.

8/19/2017 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They were probably just filming a scene for "Chicago PD"....

8/19/2017 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And people wonder why taxpayers are fleeing this God-forsaken city? They can't even commute to and from work without being a bystander in a shootout!
-Not a Cop, Just a Mom

8/19/2017 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And? These liberal always seem so surprised when the Savage does what he does. They practice willful blindness when it comes to seeing how bad the black population has become and then act like this is something new. A liberal is a liberal until they get robbed, raped shot or murdered by one of these animals. And what exactly would the guy in the article do with a gun if he had one?

8/19/2017 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What will you do if you catch someone who was behaving themselves, but armed on CTA, and they have a valid permit?
Will you cut them some slack, or fuck them over and throw them in the system?


8/19/2017 01:43:00 AM

How would a officer know if a person riding the CTA was armed? Unless the weapon was exposed, no one would know? I would assume there are a high percentage of CTA riders armed CCA and secured knowing they have protection. I not not believe officers are proactive patting people down unless they are naive.

8/19/2017 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL ABOARD !
Rahm's Peace Love And Tolerance Train!
I'll bet the shooter still has an active cost free 'looking for a job' CTA transit card.

Rahm's negligence in hiring and the Merit Mass Teansit Mismanagement Team has left the subway system ripe for criminal activity beyond it ever was in the 60's and 70's. Foreign terror cells are even intimidated by Chicago's feral domestic terrorists.

Both Rahm and Claypool are in denial.

Shooting and Murder Capital of the World
A World Class Welcoming City in a Garden
Rahm Emanuel - Mayor

8/19/2017 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They need to bring TOSPOT back immediately!

8/19/2017 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the shooter have a FOID card?

8/19/2017 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a disabled veteran who also teaches self-defense and firearms safety, and who also has a CCL, I am literally the demographic LEAST likely to commit any sort of crime. And yet, because I obey the law, due to CTA, Chicago, and Illinois policy, I am unable to travel around the city and exercise my Constitutional and inalienable right to protect myself effectively. Whereas these individuals who care nothing about obeying any societal rules whatsoever are able to put people like me at risk with their violent behavior with impunity, because they are so rarely caught and prosecuted appropriately.

Perhaps I should engage in civil disobedience and carry my concealed firearm with me wherever I go, including the CTA, and if I'm ever caught doing so, see how it plays out both in actual court and the court of public opinion that a disabled combat veteran is being punished for exercising the rights that he sacrificed his health and well being for in the service of his country.

It might be time for the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois to pay more legal fees for losing a Second Amendment court case, it seems. How much is it that they have they had to pay already?

8/19/2017 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are a citizen fuck those signs with the gun and red circle/slash. CARRY your shit if you are a CTA rider. PROTECT yourself at all cost. FUCK the libtards and their restrictive 2nd amendment view. Deal with the bullshit afterwards. Do what ya gotta do to go home safe. Hit and run.

8/19/2017 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU RAHM , I'M PACKING ON THE TRAIN and everywhere I go in the city , If people at the Virginia protest would of had a gun on them , they could of Lit that Nazi up.

8/19/2017 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Of course, a gun wouldn't have done him much good since guns are banned on CTA trains and platforms..."

Not according to the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.........

8/19/2017 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Law abiding Joe can't carry
8/19/2017 02:42:00 AM

I do.............

8/19/2017 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC- SCC, I am confused, since the old chief of dicks hit the bricks last summer is there anyone heading the D unit. This person is no where to be seen and never in front of camera' like the former chief of dicks. Did the Dep Chief' of dicks still a spot? Was Bonner the last one in that ghost spot ?
The new CPD has a ghost payroll of brass ghost pay roller'. Do the three dick units still has a cmdr'. You never hear or see them too. There must be no murdering happening any it' only a dream.
-------------

Chief of detectives is a great boss. I had the opportunity to work with her before and if you knew her, you would know she is good people. I'm not sure why you think the chief of detectives should hold a press conference after every homicide, but I've seen her already a few times on TV. I guess you want one of those micro-managing bosses that are always buzzing in your ear telling you exactly how to do your job. maybe if you concentrated on what you are doing instead of where all the bosses are, the clearance rate would get out of the single digits.

8/19/2017 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And by maintaining a CTA Mass Transit Security operation of about 190 Officers, the City is saving enough to waste on personal and crony projects! CONSIDER THAT NUMBER CAREFULLY. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS IN THE ENTIRE MASS TRANSIT UNIT TO COVER EVEN HALF OF THE STATIONS ON THE SYSTEM, 24/7!
not even close to 190..Mass transit is down to about 120. And the only line they cover most of the time is the red line, where most of the animals room. South gets the most attention. Now remember, this was a unit that 1 time had 490. New York has 4000. But hey, we have 2000 cameras that are going to stop the shooting. And if it wasn t that they are stealing federal money from the unit, it would have gone the way of the school unit. And u know how safe the schools are now..These liberal Dems don t give two sh7ts about safety of the city. They only care that their people aren t getting arrested.No manpower means less police to make arrest.
either u cc it or get the hell out of town. Think the lader is better.

8/19/2017 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Baby"G" said...

It is almost certain that the elaborate camera system that has been in operation since Claypool, (Now in charge of another expensive joke, CPS) will "Capture" the miscreant! Granted a digital capture is not as reassuring as a physical capture,and recovery of the offending firearm, but be grateful for whatever King Rahn gives those of us lucky enough to live in his kingdom! And by maintaining a CTA Mass Transit Security operation of about 190 Officers, the City is saving enough to waste on personal and crony projects! CONSIDER THAT NUMBER CAREFULLY. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS IN THE ENTIRE MASS TRANSIT UNIT TO COVER EVEN HALF OF THE STATIONS ON THE SYSTEM, 24/7! To even create a Token Police Presence on buses and trains, the Mass Transit Unit is totally dependent on officers coming in on their days off and willing to work for STRAIGHT TIME PAY! While other overtime offers are time and a half. THE CTA IS UNSAFE, ANYWHERE AND AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT! THE CTA HAS MORE CAMERAS THAN COPS ASSIGNED TO PASSENGER SECURITY. IF YOU ARE ROBBED, RAPED OR BEATEN, BE SURE TO SMILE FOR THE CAMERA!

Meanwhile Rahm flutters around the City with an entourage of armed police in Armored SUV vehicles and 24/7 "physical" police coverage of his house. Cameras are not enough to guard the King, he wants cops present! Cameras are good enough for You and Your Children if they ride the CTA, but Rahm's family must have actual cops guarding his crib, even though he hates cops and guns! In this Kingdom as in all Kingdoms, there are Vassals, Knaves,Jesters and Peasants. Those riding the CTA are Peasants and Knaves, but they are good for the environment leaving very slight carbon footprints. Democrats flying in private jets and caravans of armored vehicles are very worried about YOUR carbon footprint! Baby "G"

8/19/2017 08:39:00 AM
So true and rahm has the big suburbans and tahoes, he says he is "for the environment" but yet is driven around in these gas hogging, tanks that are great for speeding through red lights causing people to run off the streets! He has many new vehicles hidden in the "front line" section on 51st and other locations so he always has access to a new vehicle if his needs service! Ever wonder why Brian his commander scamper off quickly after the detail guys accused him of being racist after he told many that were dumped "your sin is the color of your skin" Hey joey Ferguson how about that? Wonder if the feds can lookk into civil rights violations?

8/19/2017 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ride the Red Line from the Ville to 95th and back a coupla nights a week. I'm not hard to pick out. M2 wearing camo. Never had a problem. Packing serious heat. Retired and not in good standing.

8/19/2017 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Relocate. You a a major city with no mayor.

8/19/2017 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people of Chicago should be the first major population to start getting a point across that enough is enough and its time to take their city back. Wake up and do something. The Tax Payers March 2017.

8/19/2017 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 points of view concerning the use of firearms:


1. Proactive, offensive, purpose defined by user, ie. the when, where, how, and why.


2. Reactive, defensive, purpose imposed upon the user, ie. the when, where, how and why.


The firearm user acting according to the #1 point of view will always, in all ways, have the advantage.

The firearm user having the #2 point of view will always be reacting to the chosen actions of the firearm user acting from the #1 point of view.


Should you choose to be a user of firearms, it bodes well to choose to thoroughly understand the difference in these two fundamental points of view.

And decide which you choose to be your point of view.

8/19/2017 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only time I don't carry in the city is when I'm going to or from an airport, into a school, or a venue where I know there will be metal detectors. Any other institute - be it public transit, government, or private can take their No Guns signs and shove them. My option to protect myself in this cess pool is more important than the feel-good, compromise parts of our concealed carry laws. And yes, if I get caught and prosecuted - I'm going to challenge the validity of the Illinois CCW law. States Attorney's know this and aren't dumb, so if they cannot scare me into a guilty plea, they are going to drop the charges.

8/19/2017 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

East of Eden, Rebel Without A Cause, Giant.
It was over then for James Dean, but for Rahm
Emanuel, he was building a persona, a movie
magazine collection, and developing a severe
case of small man syndrome that would serve
him well in the swamps of Washington D.C.

8/19/2017 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Of course, a gun wouldn't have done him much good since guns are banned on CTA trains and platforms..."

Not according to the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.........

8/19/2017 04:19:00 PM

An upright early/mid 20th Century Gun Man said:

"It's YOUR hide...
How much do you value it?"

Get the gun.
Train with it.
Become one with it.
Carry it closely, securely and discreetly.

8/20/2017 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People get ready, there's a train a-coming
Picking up passengers from coast to coast
You don't need no ticket
You just thank the Lord

8/20/2017 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck these the b.s shit permit. Most of retired guys still carry and said fuck it to the b.s socialist IROC for retired people of LE, it's a $100.00 every year and a waste of time for shooting at a wall 30 rounds. You will get an I Bond anyway, or carry a Ben Franklin always and bond out in a hour. B.S UUW.
The majority of other states do not charge of even care and issue the card. Shit, I hardly leave my zip code and have not rode an EL or the green monster since 1985.
Question - Are the seats on the CTA still plush leather ?

8/20/2017 03:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Leave The Gun,Take The Cannoli"..

8/20/2017 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
2 points of view concerning the use of firearms:


1. Proactive, offensive, purpose defined by user, ie. the when, where, how, and why.


2. Reactive, defensive, purpose imposed upon the user, ie. the when, where, how and why.


The firearm user acting according to the #1 point of view will always, in all ways, have the advantage.

The firearm user having the #2 point of view will always be reacting to the chosen actions of the firearm user acting from the #1 point of view.


Should you choose to be a user of firearms, it bodes well to choose to thoroughly understand the difference in these two fundamental points of view.

And decide which you choose to be your point of view.

8/19/2017 08:59:00 PM

Gibberish.

8/20/2017 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck these the b.s shit permit. Most of retired guys still carry and said fuck it to the b.s socialist IROC for retired people of LE, it's a $100.00 every year and a waste of time for shooting at a wall 30 rounds. You will get an I Bond anyway, or carry a Ben Franklin always and bond out in a hour. B.S UUW.
The majority of other states do not charge of even care and issue the card. Shit, I hardly leave my zip code and have not rode an EL or the green monster since 1985.
Question - Are the seats on the CTA still plush leather ?

No out the seats on the el are still the old wicker ones and can be reversed depending on which direction the train is going

8/20/2017 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gibberish.

8/20/2017 11:47:00 AM



Ahhhhh......a simpleton.

Perhaps a vigorously simplfied version will satisfy your nature:

Life ain't like on Gunsmoke.....especially when firearms are involved.

The proactive will not be waiting for the reaction of the reactive.

There is no such thing as a fair gunfight, no matter what the laws of man may say.

Choose your mindset accordingly, as you see fit........

8/20/2017 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Leave The Gun,Take The Cannoli"..

8/20/2017 07:59:00 AM




Keep the gun......and take ALL the cannolis.....

8/20/2017 06:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Gibberish.

8/20/2017 11:47:00 AM



Ahhhhh......a simpleton.

Perhaps a vigorously simplfied version will satisfy your nature:

Life ain't like on Gunsmoke.....especially when firearms are involved.

The proactive will not be waiting for the reaction of the reactive.

There is no such thing as a fair gunfight, no matter what the laws of man may say.

Choose your mindset accordingly, as you see fit........

8/20/2017 06:34:00 PM


Pay no heed to the "gibberish" spouter...
Typical spasmodic, knee-jerk reaction of
one whose brain isn't properly tied in to
the reasoning/interpreting loop when it
comes to discussions about gun-craft
and reasonable/sensible-man self
defense with firearms.

8/21/2017 11:35:00 AM  

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