Residency Again
This would NEVER happen here with the fine schools, the reasonable taxes and the understanding mayor, right?
- More than 1,000 Philadelphia police officers have abandoned city living since the department’s residency rules were softened five years ago — many lured to the suburbs by the prospect of better schools, cleaner streets, and safer neighborhoods.
The figure, based on an Inquirer and Daily News analysis of payroll data, represents about 15 percent of the nearly 6,000 eligible officers, a tally likely to grow each year.
In 2010, their union won a battle to end the residency requirement for members with at least five years on the job. Firefighters and sheriff’s deputies earned the same right a year ago, but most of the rest of the 30,000 municipal workers must be Philadelphians.
The exodus could have been even more pronounced. The police union tried to end the requirement altogether in negotiations for the three-year pact that was approved this summer, but the Kenney administration opposed it. Among its complaints: Losing high-paid city workers — the average salary for police officers who have moved out of the city is about $75,000 — weakens the property-tax base and ultimately harms city schools.
Anyone up to hypnotizing Rahm to (A) fall for this and (B) cluck like a chicken? We'd settle for either.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
57 Comments:
Most of us are moving anyway, we just have to wait a little longer! RETIREMENT!!! I'm gone the minute I retire :)
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Chicago should do the same thing. Anyone with 5 or even 10 years of service can live outside Chicago if they desired.
Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed here years ago and add on $10k a year to my salary and I'll stay.
I know its not a contract issue. But the FOP should consider a referendum to determine if the membership is willing to risk the cost associated with a court challenge ? I came on this job knowing i had to live in the city and i was completely ok with that ! however since then my eyes have been opened to how the city is run and had i known then what i know now, i would've had to seriously have had to consider my options
If you have to earn the right to live where you want, aren't you really a slave?
But once that property tax base starts to weaken, watch out for a school tax "reform" movement statewide such as funding ALL schools out of the state income tax. It was considered here in Illinois about 20 years ago but never gained traction. But don't kid yourself that that dragon has been slain for good...
Our fucking fop doesn't have the balls to do this...useless. get us outta this shithole city.
Pay more to live in a shit hole and get a garbage school--- its cheaper on the standard of living to live in the burbs. Than to work 3 jobs for the same quality of life.
Give up pipe dream unless your willing to pay for the court fight. City has absolutely no reason to give in to this demand and you have nothing to give that will change their mind. Your only hope is sharing apt in city with other like minded officers and moving family out. The reality of that is apt costs could be a wash if you factor in savings on taxes and not having to pay for private schooling.
What the hell are you waiting for.
Judge: FOP can't keep police from identifying officers who shoot
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/judge-fop-cant-keep-police-from-identifying-officers-who-shoot-20170929.html
we need our HEALHCARE back in RETIREMENT!pray the supreme court rules in our favor like the state workers!ANYONE KNOW STATUS OF UNDERWOOD CASE?
There is a second part to this issue. What did they surrender to get this benefit. Nothing is free. Especially in the toddlin’ town.
Here’s a little history lesson. Residency is in place because a state law prohibits an arbitrator from ruling on the issue if our negotiations wind up at arbitration. It can be discussed at the negotiations table, but as soon as the City says no it’s game over. Done.
Before the Dean Angelo administration took over a bill was introduced to eliminate this law. The bill failed by one vote. Did Professor Angelo reintroduce the bill during his three year term? Nope. Might have been a good idea considering we are entering contract negotiations this month, but he smugly thought he was going to be re-elected and we saw the concessions he made to the mayor last time around. He just wasn’t interested.
The new administration was put in place too late to introduce anything.
Lift residency and I'm gone tmrw. Only time I'd set foot in this city would be to work or see an event.
Where you going to go, section 8 is destroying communities everywhere it goes. You can pretend that if you treat them with dignity that will behave the same. They could care less about your community and so does the liberal who wants to put them there. It's who they are, time to realize that.
I'll never leave my pretty loft, but the visual of Rahm clucking like a chicken is priceless.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
The real truth comes out: If the well paid employees leave, the city would sink even deeper into the pit of hell. It has nothing to do with civic pride, interaction with the community, availability, etc. etc. etc. Just another lie (the sugar tax is for the children and babies that can't even run) The politicians can't control the unwashed, leeching masses, even with all the pandering entitlement payoffs, so they control US, use US to shore up and stabilize an unsustainable house of cards that they alone have created. They know (do they really understand?) that it will implode one day, and it it will be very, very bad.
The union should seriously consider this
Our fucking fop doesn't have the balls to do this...useless. get us outta this shithole city.
10/11/2017 01:16:00 AM
Put down the drink sober up and come to a meeting. The next general or an AA which ever is best for you. And just for your info you could file that suit yourself any day of the week.
Residency is why I left. No way will I subject my kids to the hellhole that is chicago.plus my house is bigger, less issues and all around great. Oh and I don't work 3 jobs.
That ranch on the far nwside will not be worth nearly as much anymore. Plan on taking a big hit when you try to unload. Pissed about taxes? Plan on having your property taxes go up by at least 3 grand in the burbs and a much longer commute. Also, say bye to the $4000 worth of duty availability. Remember those hundreds of thousands of low income people (section 8) that left the city. Guess what they moved to the surrounding burbs. Not a troll just just another point of view on the residency thing. The grass isn't always greener.
The time has come for FOP to take rahm to the mat and get rid of the residency rule. Those of you who choose to stay fine but don't object to the rest of us who want to leave this mismanaged corrupt city. Are you listening FOP???
Only bargaining chip we have....every time city says no...response “residency”!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I know its not a contract issue. But the FOP should consider a referendum to determine if the membership is willing to risk the cost associated with a court challenge ? I came on this job knowing i had to live in the city and i was completely ok with that ! however since then my eyes have been opened to how the city is run and had i known then what i know now, i would've had to seriously have had to consider my options
10/11/2017 12:23:00 AM
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I have said this to numerous old timers, only half jokingly, they should - move out of the city - get fired - then bring the lawsuit w/ the union's backing
you'd have to get IAD's backing to even investigate it though - they'd probably look the other way - prolly studying for a Sgt's test or something
Sad to say, but this city will never let that happen.
What we have here is a dilemma of un-dreamed of ramifications.......half this city doesn't pay ANYTHING.......half this city is either on some form of welfare (section 8, Medicaid, SNAP, free phones, free internet, etc) or are "sanctuarians" with citizen children who are on some form of welfare (section 8, Medicaid, SNAP, free phones, free internet, etc) who may also be working under the table, sending money weekly back to their Mother Countries.....Mexico alone depends on the billions sent yearly to their country from here.......the cost of education alone here (K-12) is staggering, and with half the city being non-contributors, who do you think makes up that difference?
Now add in all those tax breaks that the Dems are giving to the businesses here.....I would bet they are offering Amazon HQ2 a glorious tax break.....so wish all you want, yell at the FOP leadership to try to get residency changed, but without city workers and their extended families paying the freight here, no self-respecting money-grabbing DEM is gonna let us go.......ever.......
This is true but will never happen, the city will never allow it! this has been tried for years and always a losing proposition! You think Kevin (hows that buffet) graham who makes "silent dean" look like a non-stop talker will do anything?
Then we have this headline so true:
Former Navy SEAL and FBI Special Agent: Terror tactics are advancing faster than police tactics
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/11/former-navy-seal-and-fbi-special-agent-terror-tactics-are-advancing-faster-than-police-tactics.html
if citizens and law enforcement officials start to understand this attacker mindset and their methods of information collection and mission planning, they will start to ask the proper questions.
Well above is the gist of it! But we cannot ask proper questions especially here in this democrat anti-law and order,anti-American values city-state-county! We would be brought up on phony civil rights charges by kim and company,then our totally dishonest owned liberal media would 24/7 bastardize us constantly, then the thug would have his scum lawyer put us on the stand and asking "officer state your assets and liabilities!" Sorry not going to risk my family-freedom-career!
On another note the city is welcoming the antifa terrorist group set to descend on chiraq beginning of November, no plan as yet! Ahh rahm "come on man" (A barry obama quote), no permits but you will allow these pos to destroy parts of the city? What areas please tell us will the police let them destroy? Oh wait if the police "take the knee" at that point you and the other democrats which is everything wrong with America will support the police correct? Maybe even honor the coppers taking that knee to protest the mayhem and carnage this terrorist group can do?
The State law must be changed first before FOP can do anything.
Just another reason to leave another tax hike for the pensions of teachers who barely contribute to their pension plans:
CPS lays out specifics of tax hike during public hearings on revised budget
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-chicago-schools-budget-hearing-1011-story.html
As rahm encourages all the illegals to come here and bring the kids,we are a welcoming city as long as rahm is voted in! "we lie we cheat we steal" welcome to the democratic republic of Chicago!
who would be crazy enough to parachute out of paradise? the nazicrat alinskyite social utopia of Rahmista Chicongo ? Now, that'd be Nutz !!!!
There is no limit to the taxes, fee's, fines or increases in our cost of living that the city workers in the 2 or 3 wards of the far Northwest and Southwest sides of Chicago will force YOU and EVERYBODY ELSE to pay to maintain the value of THEIR homes.
If the cost of living doubled or tripled here they would still support the city's draconian residency requirement.
They are the epitome of the "hooray for me and f#ck everyone else" mindset.
Residency for City Workers is about Patronage not Taxes,Years ago you bought your City job or rang door bells for the Alderman.
I will donate $500 to anyone who wants to start a fund for a court challenge.
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Why hasn't a lawsuit been filed here years ago and add on $10k a year to my salary and I'll stay.
10/11/2017 12:18:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I know its not a contract issue. But the FOP should consider a referendum to determine if the membership is willing to risk the cost associated with a court challenge ? I came on this job knowing i had to live in the city and i was completely ok with that ! however since then my eyes have been opened to how the city is run and had i known then what i know now, i would've had to seriously have had to consider my options
Probably the reason a court challenge hasn’t been done is the expected outcome. The city would probably take it to the Illinois Supreme Court which is controlled by the democrats and we would lose
Not sure you are aware of the Philadelphia case, but it had nothing to do with the courts. It was a contractual issue and an arbitrator decided the case. Union wanted it in contract and contract went to arbitration
The Residency Requirement is archaic and goes back to the days of Machine Politics, when Precinct Captains could get you a job or new garbage cans, and neighborhood boundaries were based on ethnicity and viaducts. Those days are forever gone. There are few Italians left in Little Italy, and fewer Jews left on Devon East of Western. And good luck, trying to find a precinct captain in the Gentrified neighborhoods with young professionals, most of whom grew up somewhere else. It would be interesting to see the stats on how many of the police department with less than 10 years even lived in Chicago before they took Da Job.Now when you talk to coppers who hold mortgages in Edison Park or Mt. Greenwood, they will tell you they would live where they live no matter what. Yet the reality is, that if the Residency Requirement were lifted, their houses would lose value, and City Employees with kids, would want to leave if for no other reason, to have access to better schools. Not to mention less crime. That stat of 1,000 leaving could be better understood, if we were given the total number of officers in that Department. Baby "G"
They will never let us leave Cook County
If they are so worried about losing higher tax base salaries from municipal employees then make sure all those exempts stay put- they owe their careers and promotions to the politicians so they can continue to support them. And require them to show actual single family home ownership here- not some one bedroom condo or apartment they rent on LSD while the rest of the family lives in their "summer" home up in MI, WI, or the burbs.
FOP should fight to get something similar, 15 years and eligible to live wherever. Once you crack that door open you might push it lower to 10 years on next contract.
FOP let's start with lifted residency requirement after 15 years of service and then try to lower it on next contract.
Housing shortage in the better neighborhoods of Chicago will always be scarce, so the Daley-Rahm residency argument is all bullshit.
Property taxes beyond the city limits is in the + $3-4,000 range extra. Hardly an incentive for most to move. Bigger house, better schools...maybe.
But then there's the Park Ridge to 004, (005,6,7,8,9 or 010) usually a nice, pleasant drive in the summer traffic or the winter snow.
I'd settle for a tax exemption stipend, although this negotiation fig newton failed to make it into the final Contract at the last couple rounds.
And it's worth mentioning that We are probably going to be subject to more BS from Rahm and Our Pension contributions...unlike the 2% CPS contributors.
Pay more to live in a shit hole and get a garbage school--- its cheaper on the standard of living to live in the burbs. Than to work 3 jobs for the same quality of life.
Nailed it.
As big of an asshole as Rahm is he knows damn well the same would happen here.
Residency requirement being lifted has almost no chance of happening.
The "Shire of Lincolnshire" could care less. Probably made a deal with the devil.
If I rent my home out leave my wife panties in the attic can I move to Crown Point Indiana?
Retired 15 Aug 08. Indiana resident 16 Aug 08. Never looked back.
Ret.177
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency is why I left. No way will I subject my kids to the hellhole that is chicago.plus my house is bigger, less issues and all around great. Oh and I don't work 3 jobs.
10/11/2017 08:00:00 AM
Same here. Getting my 20 in a year or so, then we are OUT of this cesspool. On to the next chapter. Maybe I can land a halfway decent job or do a lateral or something.
The grass is way greener in the burbs. Lets get a gofundme account going for the legal battle
Blogger FOP Genius said...
Here’s a little history lesson. Residency is in place because a state law prohibits an arbitrator from ruling on the issue if our negotiations wind up at arbitration. It can be discussed at the negotiations table, but as soon as the City says no it’s game over. Done.
Before the Dean Angelo administration took over a bill was introduced to eliminate this law. The bill failed by one vote. Did Professor Angelo reintroduce the bill during his three year term? Nope. Might have been a good idea considering we are entering contract negotiations this month, but he smugly thought he was going to be re-elected and we saw the concessions he made to the mayor last time around. He just wasn’t interested.
The new administration was put in place too late to introduce anything.
10/11/2017 06:22:00 AM
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Right, blame the prior administration. You must be from the current regime.
Maybe one day when you actually have someone in charge that gives a shit about you all, you'll be able to move where you want to.
"But the FOP should consider a referendum to determine if the membership is willing to risk the cost associated with a court challenge ?"
Money invested in such a lawsuit would just be money wasted. The lawyers will tell you:" Yea, you got a hell of a case. But it will be expensive."
Then after spinning you for several hundred K, the suit will fail and they will tell you they did everything they could. And the losing lawsuit will be seen as precedent against residency in any future challenges.
As for the economic impact of the police moving out: Dream on. Sure, police pay taxes. But they are PAID by taxes. As for your real estate taxes: Whoever buys your house will pay the taxes. So no loss there.
If residency were dropped for police, it would probably have to dropped for all.
The City is giving its 2nd police entrance exam for 2017. I will consider dropping residency whey it can no longer attract enough qualified applicants. (Which is getting close.)
Anonymous said...
The State law must be changed first before FOP can do anything.
10/11/2017 09:31:00 AM
The FOP has to do something before the State law can or anything else gets changes.
The FOP officials get bought off and do nothing except what Rahm wants.
Nothing will get changed, unless someone sues FOP.
Residency was the requirement when you took the job, quit crying about it.
Residency should definitely be used as a negotiating tool in this contract. If Rahm asks for something throw residency out there.. You never know..
I would love to live in the Western Burbs and send my kids to Hinsdale schools
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency was the requirement when you took the job, quit crying about it.
10/12/2017 03:06:00 AM
So were contact cards ya loser
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That ranch on the far nwside will not be worth nearly as much anymore. Plan on taking a big hit when you try to unload. Pissed about taxes? Plan on having your property taxes go up by at least 3 grand in the burbs and a much longer commute. Also, say bye to the $4000 worth of duty availability. Remember those hundreds of thousands of low income people (section 8) that left the city. Guess what they moved to the surrounding burbs. Not a troll just just another point of view on the residency thing. The grass isn't always greener.
10/11/2017 08:26:00 AM
The commute will be longer and yes your taxes will go up but consider this. I retired in 2015 and moved to NW Burbs. My taxes went up $3,300 bucks from 5,000 to 8,300, BUT my car insurance went down 400 dollars, by motorcycle insurance went down 500 dollars and my homeowners insurance went down 300 dollars (went from 100yr old home to a 25 yr old much larger home). The town I live in requires no city sticker.(another $120saving) I am 3 blocks from Dupage County. Save on gas, food taxes and taxes on any purchase as my new town has no city sales taxes and county tax is less than Cook.
So,yes while Im still paying more, I have access to beautiful parks with no aholes hanging there, a great library and can go out to eat at basically the same restaurants in Chicago and park for FREE. Also, I have called the village for road repairs, a streetlight out and to have trees on the parkway trimmed. All services performed within a few days of my call by workers who were very friendly and couldn't do enough to assist me! Additionally the value of the house I purchased has already gone up by approx $51,000 bucks since I bought in April of 2016. Not bad!!!
No plane noise, traffic noise and the feel of the old school neighborhood where neighbors look out for each other. Im 5 minutes from interstate system that gets me to the city in 1/2 hour and downtown in 1 hour. (Not that I want to go there anymore) Should I go on?????
I'd have applied to cpd decades ago if there was no residency. It's the main reason I didn't apply. I'm sure finding shit hot officers with prior experience would be at least a little easier without the residency requirement. The old, "skin in the game" argument is nonsense. Plenty of cops don't live in the town they work in. It's preferable, if we're being honest. Less chance of running into a mutt you locked up when you're out with your family.
how many of the house cat clout babies would really leave??not many if any,
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