Monday, October 16, 2017

Use of Force Rollout

Today, at 1300 hours, the new Use of Force rules roll out.

The military has expression - Time Over Target. It's the amount of time an aircraft spends over a designated spot to conduct a mission.

The paperwork alone for a single Use of Force incident is going to keep officers and their supervisors off the street for hours on end, denying the community hours of police coverage - Time Over Target. We'll have to see if it has any impact on operations, missions, or crime statistics.

We eagerly await reports from the front lines regarding the new TRR's and assorted justifications that have to be documented and the issues that will arise departmentally, judicially, legally.

We can almost guarantee the the amount of paperwork is going to give further lie to the "paperless department" we were promised decades ago.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to mention a lot OT due to extention of tour

10/16/2017 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck!!!! Getting anyone to use force.

Hope to be gone from here in 7 years. Another officer just retired and moved to IN. He said it's a lot cheaper to live there.

10/16/2017 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Add more OT to the equation, too. Something Ferguson and Andy Shaw could attack.

10/16/2017 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol... in the federal Leo side-- you do paper every time you display a weapon is displayed. You don't even have to tune anyone up. Eventually chicago will do paper every time you display your any weapon.

It's coming guys and dolls-- courtesy of Rham-ulicious and Kidney bean

10/16/2017 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's long been said the police can't strike, but if they follow every rule and regulation to a T,the results would be much more devastating. I guess we're about to find out.

10/16/2017 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol... ASA denied charges on upstanding citizen who allegedly (because charges should not had been filed) was messing with (vandalizing charge was garbage) several personal vehicles belong to cops. The reason I know is because I went to high school with this Asa. I would not want to park my car there... that guy has permission to do what he does and lawsuit if he gets his hair style messed up if the Poleec break balls.

I have to change the way I talk because never know with these asa's what charge is gonna be legit then dismissed

10/16/2017 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new order isn't even online to read.

10/16/2017 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay fetal.

10/16/2017 03:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More paperwork so they can hang you out to dry. Please document time taken doe all types of new reports and put those times on SCC. I can see a carpal tunnel epidemic about to infect the CPD. Protect your trigger fingers at all costs.

10/16/2017 03:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O/T

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS KNEEL During Tribute To Murdered New Orleans Police Officer.

New Orleans PD Officer Marcus McNeil was murdered on Friday.

The NFL needs to get it together! Is it too much to ask of these self-absorbed athletes to honor a fallen police officer during a moment of silence?

BOYCOTT THE NFL !!!

10/16/2017 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay employed
Stay out of prison
STAY FETAL

10/16/2017 05:00:00 AM  
Blogger Joker said...

We'll have to see if it has any impact on operations, missions, or crime statistics.

Well, YES......it most definitely will have those impacts.

But don't worry. Our betters, ie: The Mayor, aldercreatures, store front Rev's, your average liberal and the main stream ( Fake )media will all say it's our fault. They will roll out the usual rants that the police are STILL TOO AGGRESSIVE, that we are still playing the fetal game which will result in the department asking for our input into yet another program and then going with what they want anyway.


In other words, if it is all possible........GET OUT! RETIRE NOW!

10/16/2017 05:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shot to Kill, or stay fetal, there no in-between.

10/16/2017 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a Question.......If I use force on a active resister and say two other beat cars help,My partner and I go hands on and offender gets a lil bloody, assisting cars just help to gain control for cuffs, offender goes to the er etc....do all the beat cars get held down even for the TRR novel? Thats 6 officers if all of us are 10-4. Not to mention the car that has to sit on the guy at the er. So now we have 4 cars off the street in a tour, possibly eight officers.

10/16/2017 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just been trained, finally ready to hit the streets.

10/16/2017 06:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol... ASA denied charges on upstanding citizen who allegedly (because charges should not had been filed) was messing with (vandalizing charge was garbage) several personal vehicles belong to cops. The reason I know is because I went to high school with this Asa. I would not want to park my car there... that guy has permission to do what he does and lawsuit if he gets his hair style messed up if the Poleec break balls.

I have to change the way I talk because never know with these asa's what charge is gonna be legit then dismissed


Dude, don't post drunk

10/16/2017 06:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a issue that needs to be addressed.

The IOD report has several sections that need to be eliminated.
1. Home address
2. Home and cell numbers
3. Marital status
4. Number of children/dependents

Why are any of these questions even on an IOD report which will be forwarded to any lawyers office who requests them for a lawsuit/

Anyone who needs to fill out an IOD report needs to use only Department address and phone numbers. As for Marital status and dependents, I will be declining to give an answer for those questions. They need to be removed ASAP.

10/16/2017 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huge mess for Dart. Couldn't have happened to a better guy

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/fired-sheriffs-officer-wins-lawsuit-could-undo-dozens-of-firings/amp/

10/16/2017 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger FOP Genius said...

I urge all Officers to not let this policy make you second guess yourselves when on the street and in a situation where you are authorized to use force. Although there is a lot of new wording in this new policy it boils down to this; we are justified in using any force up to and including deadly force when that is your only option. Everyone who is not the Police fails to realize that the offender is the one who determines the amount of force an Officer has to use. Compliance means no force at all.

It would be a tragedy if any Officer is killed or injured for fear of this policy which really doesn’t change a thing and is just smoke and mirrors fo try to appease the anti-police activists. Bottom line? Go home safe every day or night. Continue the professionalism that we have always displayed.

10/16/2017 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck!!!! Getting anyone to use force.

Hope to be gone from here in 7 years. Another officer just retired and moved to IN. He said it's a lot cheaper to live there.

10/16/2017 12:11:00 AM
We are looking at Indiana also what would you say is the best place in Indiana? Something not too far from Chicago because our children live in the suburbs of Chicago thank you!

10/16/2017 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the Police Dept liberals wanted. Now they will continue to wine and moan that crime is up and Police are the problem.

10/16/2017 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything going Hollywood
Gun cams being tested

10/16/2017 07:51:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Circling the drain.

10/16/2017 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Delta airlines would not allow passengers to sing national anthem on flight carrying the remains of a KIA serviceman. Boycott delta airlines.

10/16/2017 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When are the people of this city and county going to wake the fuck up and let the police do their job? You can't walk or drive anyplace in this city and be safe because of all the assholes think they are above the law. You can thank the moron mayor and all the demorats for this. Will be moving out of this shithole city very soon.

10/16/2017 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be a major pain in the ass! Politicians can't make the bad boys behave, so they make the good guys do mountains of paperwork! And paperwork keeps an Officer off the street.
Makes no sense to common people but crime will go up and these same, dumbass politicians can point their blood stained fingers at the cops and say "The Police are the problem!"

J.J.

10/16/2017 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Citizen Richard said...

Well, after reading this I want to say to our esteemed mayor fuck you very much for asking the tax base for more, to do less with again. I will pay more if you promise us, the citizenry a police force that can work without fearing loosing everything they have worked their whole lives for. Right now this is not the case and the blood is on your hands and it wont wash off.
Police officers, stay fetal as the job can not be worth all that you risk.
G-d Bless CPD!

10/16/2017 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A CPD chief of organization development ???? How much does she make ?.. LOL

10/16/2017 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"Lol... in the federal Leo side-- you do paper every time you display a weapon is displayed. You don't even have to tune anyone up. Eventually chicago will do paper every time you display your any weapon."

If The Kissing Bandit were a Fed, he would be doing a lot of paperwork.

10/16/2017 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old timer once told me, Nobody ever got fired for doing nothing.

10/16/2017 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


It's long been said the police can't strike, but if they follow every rule and regulation to a T,the results would be much more devastating. I guess we're about to find out.

10/16/2017 01:06:00 AM


This is very true!!!

10/16/2017 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm isn't going to protect you.
The aldermen aren't going to protect you.
Bosses can only do so much to protect you.
The citizen hasn't voted out Rahm, the alderman, Cook County Toni Preckwinkle or her puppet Kim Foxxx.

Protect yourself and your partner. Dropping paper and showing a respectful front is really all you can do to protect your family. Nothing wrong with making it look like you tried but the bad guy got away. It sucks. You didn't sign up to lose. But you didn't take this job to lose everything your parents and you worked so hard for to this point.

Nothing is going to change until those in power are changed.

10/16/2017 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time waits for no man.
Time is on Our side.
Break time, lunch time, check off time, comp time, furlough time and importantly Safe Response time.
Use it wisely.
Quality down time is paramount.
Waste no time on TRR's, ISR's, CB's and the like that will analyzed CO'PRA headhunters.

Stay Fetal.

10/16/2017 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First and foremost - Get A Competent Criminal Lawyer. Don't talk to anyone, including coworkers and FOP. There are several attorneys who spend the majority of their time defending police officers. Since FOP has not addressed this issue, we may have to do some homework and have the names & phone #s readily available. One name I'll throw out, former police officer Laura Scarry. There is also an OIS insurance policy available from the FOP State Lodge for current/retired LEO's. Don't be scrambling to find this info after an OIS at 0300 Hrs while Kimesha Foxx and Miss Piggy's minions are demanding a statement. Show these vermin that the 5th Amendment still applies to police officers. And a big screw you to the ACLU.

10/16/2017 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love the new snowflake ASAs. Hard charges. Look totally in control and well groomed then shell shocked if they actually have to try a case. Don't worry kids the only work we'll bring you are the ones on signed complaints and that's only if the criminal puts the cuffs on himself.

Sucks to have all that debt and not good enough to work in the private sector.

10/16/2017 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it is a great thing. Anything that keeps you guys off the streets and out of the way of idiots who hate you is fine by me. Let the city go to hell, it deserves it. Sit back, pour a cup of coffee and do the paperwork. Take as long as you can. Ask your supervisors umpteen questions. Discuss the paperwork with your coworkers. Every hour you spend at the desk is an hour you don't have to spend babysitting the "community."

10/16/2017 10:56:00 AM  
Blogger Transmaster said...

It took the Department of Veterans Affairs 20 year to go with paperless medical records
We worked out asses off to get there, we didn’t have with politics just technology.

10/16/2017 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
More paperwork so they can hang you out to dry. Please document time taken doe all types of new reports and put those times on SCC. I can see a carpal tunnel epidemic about

One important thing to remember. The less you put on paper, the less it can be scrutinized and used against you. Too may guys like to add additional info

10/16/2017 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

time for our merit supervisors from sergeant to superintendent to answer radio assignments one eight hour tour a week during 1900-0300 hrs.

10/16/2017 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Problem I've always seen with TRRs is that the Lieutenant wants the TRR done now. That means placing the Cart before the Horse. When it should be first positively identify your offender, IR number, Wants, warrants, gang Affil. Watch the BWC to refreshed your memory. Nailed down and completed your Case Report. Complete Arrest, all Complaints and drop any Inventories. Then start the TRR, along with any IODs. It's always a Rush to do TRRs first so that they can go home. The TRR allows you to Scan and Attach all Documents. If you give the officer the time to remove and clear the table of all the other documents. The officer then is not feeling rushed and can think clearly. That's doing it the right way.















10/16/2017 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous There are 2 genders said...

And here we are. Skyrocketing towards 650 murders. The left wants the police in handcuffs and the criminals freed. Cloward and Piven is quickly becoming our reality. Thanx Obama. Thanks LBJ. Thanx Soros. Thanx Rahm. Thanks Mccain. Thanks Media. Thanks Zuckerberg. The blood is on your hands. My conscience is clear.

10/16/2017 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m not defending the new model, but honestly, who went back on the street after a previous use of force incident? This is the wrong argument to make, if we’re being honest.

10/16/2017 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just write in the arrest report narrative, using black ink, "Used force necessary to effect the arrest".
Rookies!

10/16/2017 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What these spineless exempts and useless politicians don't understand is that this will drive up the violent crime rate to a new high. Look for over 1000 homicides next year.

10/16/2017 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One important thing to remember. The less you put on paper, the less it can be scrutinized and used against you. Too may guys like to add additional info"

With the new TRRs you need to explain and justify every use of force used by you during that split second decision. You forget or miss a detail you will be found to be lying (rule 14) and to be using ex cessive force. It is designed to hold you accountable, not to justify or assist you in explaining an arrest in court.

10/16/2017 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

55 in April out in May-bye bye!

10/16/2017 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck!!!! Getting anyone to use force.

Hope to be gone from here in 7 years. Another officer just retired and moved to IN. He said it's a lot cheaper to live there.

10/16/2017 12:11:00 AM
We are looking at Indiana also what would you say is the best place in Indiana? Something not too far from Chicago because our children live in the suburbs of Chicago thank you!

10/16/2017 07:25:00 AM

Don't forget, the State of Indiana will tax your pension; the State of Illinois does not..

10/16/2017 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m not defending the new model, but honestly, who went back on the street after a previous use of force incident? This is the wrong argument to make, if we’re being honest.

10/16/2017 01:00:00 PM

Disagree with the above. I'm a retired Lt. I did trrs routinely. Most officers went back out after a trr unless the processing went towards the end of the tour or it was a shooting or something traumatic, officer needed to go to the hospital, etc. I worked in a busy district and most trrs were no big deal involving officers who just had to physically put someone into cuffs who did not want to go. My understanding is now all trrs are going to require the wc to go through a process of interviewing people like it was with a shooting. I'm not sure if that's accurate but if it is thats going to tie people up for hours. At least a fivefold increase in the work required. What's going to happen when their are two trrs in the station at the same time? I never minded the trrs but with this it makes me even more glad that I'm gone. Truthfully I hope this new policy just grinds everything to a halt.

10/16/2017 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old timer once told me, Nobody ever got fired for doing nothing.

Actually this is categorically false. People have been fired for doing nothing when something was required.

10/16/2017 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
What these spineless exempts and useless politicians don't understand is that this will drive up the violent crime rate to a new high. Look for over 1000 homicides next year.

10/16/2017 02:48:00 PM

Let the bodies hit the floor!

10/16/2017 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The Problem I've always seen with TRRs is that the Lieutenant wants the TRR done now. That means placing the Cart before the Horse. When it should be first positively identify your offender, IR number, Wants, warrants, gang Affil. Watch the BWC to refreshed your memory. Nailed down and completed your Case Report. Complete Arrest, all Complaints and drop any Inventories. Then start the TRR, along with any IODs. It's always a Rush to do TRRs first so that they can go home. The TRR allows you to Scan and Attach all Documents. If you give the officer the time to remove and clear the table of all the other documents. The officer then is not feeling rushed and can think clearly. That's doing it the right way.

I wouldn't approve a TRR without an approved case and arrest. Complaints and submitting inventories can wait.

10/16/2017 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the point worrying about the po po killing young black men when the brothers in the hood are doing such a good job at it? Old Three Deuces.

10/16/2017 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous #1 RAT CITY said...

For the third consecutive year, ORKIN, the vermin control company, had ranked the fifty largest U.S. cities for (4-legged) rat infestation with Chicago having the dubious distinction of being #1 in the nation..

When it comes to corrupt, shameless 2-legged rats, start at City Hall and Fort Fellatio, 3510 S. Michigan Now that would be REAL police reform--the DemocRATic politicians and their CPD political hack brass.

Don't expect any help from local MSM, the so-called Better Government Association and Joseph Ferguson. They're complicit lap dogs for the Raccoon.

10/16/2017 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real simple. We are screwed.

10/16/2017 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn’t matter how much of a hassle it is to us.
The only thing that matters to Rahm is that he incessantly panders to “the community”

10/16/2017 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The new order isn't even online to read.

10/16/2017 02:37:00 AM

Yes it is.

10/16/2017 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great pinch from O'hare airport Sgt.S. On midnights. Locking up the nice lady from England and getting felony charges for DC because she was getting screwed over by airlines. Hope the boss puts u in for the award of Valor.

10/16/2017 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's called "Work To Rule", it can bring anything to a screetching halt. Now is the time, dot all the I's and Cross the T's and destroy Obamas Liberal Wet Dream with the regulations HE and HIS D.O.J. championed to further control Black minds.

10/16/2017 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:12 PM......

The problem with the TRR is that it was made policy.

It was the first time that we were forced to do discovery for the other side.

I said it was just the first step in fucking the police but good, and was roundly criticized by the smart kids who said it's "for our protection".

So smart kids, was the TRR our ace in the hole?🤣🤡😂🤡🤣

None of this shit is for your protection, or the citizens protection.

It is to make you expendable for the politicians who run the city.

This was tonight's topic during my chalk talk with the recruits........

Class of '86

10/16/2017 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not going anywhere, will stay all the way and do nothing for ten more years. Love this job getting paid to drive around on days and do nothing!

10/16/2017 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol yet they keep lining up to take the exam.

10/16/2017 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’m not defending the new model, but honestly, who went back on the street after a previous use of force incident? This is the wrong argument to make, if we’re being honest.

10/16/2017 01:00:00 PM

Disagree with the above. I'm a retired Lt. I did trrs routinely. Most officers went back out after a trr unless the processing went towards the end of the tour or it was a shooting or something traumatic, officer needed to go to the hospital, etc. I worked in a busy district and most trrs were no big deal involving officers who just had to physically put someone into cuffs who did not want to go. My understanding is now all trrs are going to require the wc to go through a process of interviewing people like it was with a shooting. I'm not sure if that's accurate but if it is thats going to tie people up for hours. At least a fivefold increase in the work required. What's going to happen when their are two trrs in the station at the same time? I never minded the trrs but with this it makes me even more glad that I'm gone. Truthfully I hope this new policy just grinds everything to a halt.

You’re talkin an hour to do reports, another 90 minutes before the detectives arrive and at least another 90 before charges are denied. Factor in lunch, roll call and check off and how much time is left to go back to policing? Unless the incident happens in the first hour, no one is actively hitting the streets after getting in a squabble and they probably shouldn’t. Take the time to come down from the stress of the incident.

10/16/2017 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great pinch from O'hare airport Sgt.S. On midnights. Locking up the nice lady from England and getting felony charges for DC because she was getting screwed over by airlines. Hope the boss puts u in for the award of Valor.

Uh...if she was a ghetto rat, or some coked-out tweaker you would be saying; what a good job she did, when in fact it's fair policing across the board

10/16/2017 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch for more Like the guy in PC hearing today Monroy(sp?). Charged w/ 5 counts of agg batt to PO, sent 2 PO and a Sgt to hospital. All on body camera. He's on a 10k I bond. Free to wait for Foxx to plea it down to misdemeanor. Why do we even respond anymore?

10/16/2017 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spent 2 hrs at the tragic, "What Happened Fest" at the Morse El Station in Rogers Park to make sense of the murder of a kind and innocent women. Although no one involved wanted to point the finger at the impending storm of hyper violence that will be born of the still In Progress Work called "New Use Of Force" which was born out of the false narrative and LIES of the Obama Admininstrations War on Police. This is unfortunately going to become the new norm. When you vilify the Police and glamorize violence this is the by product and it's evil. The same people screaming that the police need to do something are the same ones throwing bottles of urine when they do.

10/16/2017 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember boys and girls. Today marks the beginning that Dept Policy TRUMPS Federal and State Law. So you do something we are trained on legally, the dept assured us that we wont be charged criminally but we will be fired as the see politically fit. And you know Rahm is looking for a scape goat to hang for his re-election. And a nutered Kevin Grahm FOP administration will not help you.

10/16/2017 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It's long been said the police can't strike, but if they follow every rule and regulation to a T,the results would be much more devastating. I guess we're about to find out.
10/16/2017 01:06:00 AM

It hasn't 'long been said'. It's the LAW.

As for following every nuance of every rule, regulation, guideline and law, yes.
THAT is the way to force them back to some semblance of sanity.

10/16/2017 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope to be gone from here in 7 years. Another officer just retired and moved to IN. He said it's a lot cheaper to live there.

10/16/2017 12:11:00 AM
We are looking at Indiana also what would you say is the best place in Indiana? Something not too far from Chicago because our children live in the suburbs of Chicago thank you!

10/16/2017 07:25:00 AM

Don't forget, the State of Indiana will tax your pension; the State of Illinois does not..
10/16/2017 05:30:00 PM

Missouri doesn't. Cheaper, warmer, pro-Constitution and 2nd Amendment and mostly pro-police.

10/16/2017 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Just write in the arrest report narrative, using black ink, "Used force necessary to effect the arrest".
Rookies!
10/16/2017 01:48:00 PM

WRITE in? As in PEN?

10/16/2017 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly it's not a real issue anymore. Nobody stopping anyone anymore. Nobody getting aggressive anyomre and domestics and other jobs are all on body cam so things don't escalate as easily because coppers are finally having to slow play everything resulting in less fights. Now if there is a fight it's legit and not an issue. Not like the typical tac guy agg Batt to the police because dude wouldn't listen and hurt his feelings by calling him a rookie etc then the fight is on. Glad to not be handling that crap anymore.

10/16/2017 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes! Watch Commanders...sorry...XO's want the trr's first so they can get to go home on time then fill out an ot slip when PO does all the work.

10/17/2017 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/16/2017 05:30:00 PM


You must be a mathematician, property taxes are cheaper, sales tax is cheaper, living is better, no city stickers, lack of dummycrats...and you’re worried about 4% on your pension.
Moron

10/17/2017 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just making my job even easier! Thank you sir

10/17/2017 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wisconsin tax on retirement 4-6%. Well worth paying instead of living in lawless, corrupt and leftist Illinois. Here you see many houses with signs “We back the badge” on the front yard. Totally different feel meaning safe and savory. Don’t have to look at the ghetto bs here.

10/17/2017 06:51:00 AM  
Blogger Richard Maxwell said...

The amount of money Indiana taxes your pension compared to what you save in insurance (car and home), property taxes and sales tax makes it a wash at least...i think you will still be ahead.

10/17/2017 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

USA Today list of 50 best cities to live in just out last week. Check it out. #1 Carmel Indiana. Suburb of Indy. Homes a bit pricey by Indiana standards but everything is relative.

10/17/2017 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"Delta airlines would not allow passengers to sing national anthem on flight carrying the remains of a KIA serviceman. Boycott delta airlines."

Bull shit! How could they stop someone from singing the National Anthem ?


10/17/2017 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes! Watch Commanders...sorry...XO's want the trr's first so they can get to go home on time then fill out an ot slip when PO does all the work.

10/17/2017 12:06:00 AM

Nice try. XOs don't handle the TRRs.

10/17/2017 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a friend who lives in Dyer Indiana, rightsover the border, I've it, housing, food bills not taxwd. He is a civilian and says Merriville and Scherville nice too.

10/17/2017 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are looking at Indiana also what would you say is the best place in Indiana? Something not too far from Chicago because our children live in the suburbs of Chicago thank you!

10/16/2017 07:25:00 AM

East Chicago is one of the best places Indiana has to offer.

To visit the kids in the suburbs, just take the South Shore train to 115th and grab a Divy bike for the rest of the journey. Once the Red Line is extended to 130th, you could meet the kids somewhere in Altgeld Gardens for lunch.

10/17/2017 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/16/2017 05:30:00 PM


You must be a mathematician, property taxes are cheaper, sales tax is cheaper, living is better, no city stickers, lack of dummycrats...and you’re worried about 4% on your pension.
Moron

Wouldn't really call the guy a moron. On a $80000 pension, that's $3200. Takes a lot of sales tax, city stickers and less property taxes to make up the $3200. You others for Indiana are valid but the pension tax comment doesn't make the guy a moron

10/17/2017 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Great pinch from O'hare airport Sgt.S. On midnights. Locking up the nice lady from England and getting felony charges for DC because she was getting screwed over by airlines. Hope the boss puts u in for the award of Valor.

Uh...if she was a ghetto rat, or some coked-out tweaker you would be saying; what a good job she did, when in fact it's fair policing across the board

10/16/2017 10:13:00 PM
State did not approve felony. She was I-Bonded for misd. disorderly conduct and walked out of the station, got a cab and left. Just cuz they put a felony charge on the arrest report doesn't ensure automatic approval by the ASA.

10/17/2017 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

USA Today list of 50 best cities to live in just out last week. Check it out. #1 Carmel Indiana. Suburb of Indy. Homes a bit pricey by Indiana standards but everything is relative.
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Mmmmmm carmel.

10/17/2017 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You’re talkin an hour to do reports, another 90 minutes before the detectives arrive and at least another 90 before charges are denied. Factor in lunch, roll call and check off and how much time is left to go back to policing? Unless the incident happens in the first hour, no one is actively hitting the streets after getting in a squabble and they probably shouldn’t. Take the time to come down from the stress of the incident.

Are you saying that Detectives now have to respond to ALL trrs no matter what the injuries or charges are???? What the hell are they supposed to do on something like dope offender who runs and is tackled and has to be restrained and cuffed? If true this is the ultimate in stupidity. Going to be a lot of grumbling detectives.

10/17/2017 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For pensioners. .....
https://www.retirementliving.com/taxes-by-state

Some states have a relatively low flat tax regardless of income, with the five lowest: Colorado (4.63 percent), Illinois (3.75 percent), Indiana (3.23 percent), Michigan (4.25 percent) and Pennsylvania (3.07 percent) for 2017.

Indiana has a 2% property tax on new construction, expect existing homes near that rate, then apply your homeowners exemption.

10/17/2017 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You must be a mathematician, property taxes are cheaper, sales tax is cheaper, living is better, no city stickers, lack of dummycrats...and you’re worried about 4% on your pension.
Moron

Wouldn't really call the guy a moron. On a $80000 pension, that's $3200. Takes a lot of sales tax, city stickers and less property taxes to make up the $3200. You others for Indiana are valid but the pension tax comment doesn't make the guy a moron

You're right about the cheaper real estate taxes, city stickers, etc. They do add up.

One needs to figure lower food, gas, car insurance costs.

Am sure the dollars and cents issue is important. But an $80K pension is more than most people live and raise families on.

Don't overlook the value of peace of mind. It can be priceless.

As for HR218 qualification, it looks about as hard as Illinois. 2 forms, no(?) notarization.

Wisconsin? If you are an out of state retired LEO, especially from Illinois, fuggetaboutit. Big PITA

10/17/2017 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Great pinch from O'hare airport Sgt.S. On midnights. Locking up the nice lady from England and getting felony charges for DC because she was getting screwed over by airlines. Hope the boss puts u in for the award of Valor.

Uh...if she was a ghetto rat, or some coked-out tweaker you would be saying; what a good job she did, when in fact it's fair policing across the board

10/16/2017 10:13:00 PM
State did not approve felony. She was I-Bonded for misd. disorderly conduct and walked out of the station, got a cab and left. Just cuz they put a felony charge on the arrest report doesn't ensure automatic approval by the ASA.

Let the airlines handle their own problems. Police get involved with airline problems and policies which turn out to be a civil issue and get fired
Two guys from aviation police were fired today because a passenger refused to get off a plane because the airline wanted the seat for one of their employees They should have offered more money to get off the plane. Because these officers were enforcing the airline companies policy and things escalated they were fired
Let the airlines hire their own security

10/17/2017 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
We are looking at Indiana also what would you say is the best place in Indiana? Something not too far from Chicago because our children live in the suburbs of Chicago thank you!

10/16/2017 07:25:00 AM

East Chicago is one of the best places Indiana has to offer.

To visit the kids in the suburbs, just take the South Shore train to 115th and grab a Divy bike for the rest of the journey. Once the Red Line is extended to 130th, you could meet the kids somewhere in Altgeld Gardens for lunch.

10/17/2017 12:50:00 PM

Gary is also worth a visit. Beautiful at this time of year. Don't miss the Jackson Family home.

10/17/2017 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys getting slow at the airport?
No mention of full-body cavity checks.
I love the audio of the Doctor being
dragged off the plane. I'm surprised
a rapper hasn't sampled the sound
to create a new song.
Heads up to Arlo Guthrie: we need a
Chicago Airport Drag song.
Thanksgiving coming up.

10/18/2017 01:10:00 AM  

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