Consent Decree Leaks?
- The Chicago Fraternal Order of Police is fighting to get a pending consent decree it considers heavily anti-police tossed out before the document is enacted and potentially brings a dramatic overhaul to the city’s police policy.
“The consent decree will make the simplest police duties and actions rife with ambiguity, and set up officers for discipline no matter how professional or appropriate their conduct,” Chicago FOP Vice President Martin Preib wrote in a statement to Fox News.
Fox News obtained what is believed to be a draft of the consent decree, which has been years in the making and is expected to be unveiled for the public in the near future.
This thing has disaster written all over it:
- Police say one proposal they’re most concerned about would require officers to fill out a report every time they point their gun at a person.
A portion of a decree draft reads, “Any time a CPD officer points a firearm at a person, the incident should be documented in a written report containing: the subject’s actual or perceived race, ethnicity, age and gender; the officer’s badge number, rank, and unit; the date, time and location of the incident; the outcome of the incident, including whether an arrest or citation was issued; and a narrative describing the reasons for the officer’s actions.”
You young kids might not have been taught this, but do you know why there is no written order dictating when you can or cannot unsnap and unholster your pistol? Because the Department, Courts and intelligent people realize that they cannot dictate an Officer's perception of danger. Dumbasses, like Lightfoot, Madigan, and democrats in general think that everyone else can dictate hurt feelings, perceived racism, assorted phobias and complain about it - but not a police officer's professional observations of when something is about to go sideways.
Lightfoot wasted no time blaming the FOP:
Lightfoot wasted no time blaming the FOP:
- Mayoral challenger Lori Lightfoot on Wednesday demanded that Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration ask a presiding federal judge to investigate the leak of what was described as a draft consent decree outlining the terms for federal court oversight over the Chicago Police Department.
The former Police Board president who co-chaired the Mayor’s Task Force on Police Accountability demanded the investigation after Fox News posted a story contending that the network had obtained a draft of the consent decree being negotiated between City Hall and retiring Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
Lightfoot hinted strongly that she believes the source of the leak was the Fraternal Order of Police, which tried again last week to slow down negotiations aimed at forcing federal court oversight over the Chicago Police Department just as an attorney representing Black Lives Matter and other groups was saying the “clock is ticking” on a consent decree.
We're of the opinion that the supposed "carve outs" aren't going to be enough to hang onto contract protections. If the FOP did leak it, good job. This thing needs to be derailed, or at least delayed until after the election. We're hearing very strong whispers that Rahm won't even be around.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
218 Comments:
I can’t wait until Lightfoot finishes in the back of the pack in the primary. She’s a special kind of stupid.
Buried In Bureaucracy! I’d be nervous getting a CTA Check, let alone anything else.
I simply cannot believe what this department and policing in general in this country has become. Also, Lori lightinherloafers, you look like a bug.
If you thought officers were fetal now...... just wait until they enact this crap
Now, this is heavy. Why fucking ( with all due respect I'll repeat: fucking) politicians are trying to treat police like bunch of idiots?
Answer: because they think they can.
Enough.
Four long interesting posts.....
Can't wait to read the posts in the morning....
Keep up the good work SCC....
I'm literally lol. And people still get in line to take the exam. Why?
We are at war.
Our very way of life is at stake.
OT....the JVD trial starts Sept 5...unless another legal delay occurs..... trial to last 4, 6 , 8 weeks??? I'm sure the judge will give CPD time to mobilize when a verdict is reached. What if there was a blue flu on the day of the verdict announcement??? No overtime is worth the shitshow that's coming. Disclaimer...not advocating a blue flu. Only asking what if
Won’t be around as in not running? Or something else?
This thing needs to be stopped, but it seems the train has already left the station.
Thank you Rahm Emanuel, you asshole.
A few protesters showed up at the cpd/ vs cfd game. They proceeded hold up signs and chant their antipolice b.s. the above protesters actions sparked a noticeable reaction from the fans and players on the feild. Chants of C.P.D. erupted from the crowd. There were many fans that had approached these fucktards expressing their displeasure of said fucktards protest at the charity/ family/ off duty event. A certain retired cpd/ fop "B.D." approached the said fucktards and ripped the deragatory, antipolice, cow fodder signs out of their hands. The crowd began to chear as the w.s. personal escorted them from the event. I believe I witnessed a mirical as started raining beer and misc. Soft drinks on the fucktards being escorted out. Good game and good time over all.
I hope you are right. But it doesn’t look good for us. Prieb is a good writer but sucks at speaking. They laughed at him at city council and the judge will not take FOP seriously. It’s like dude on the street talks smack and the expects to get respect in return.
I love how these idiots believe this will improve us and make everything better. Liberals have no clue as to the repercussions of such a decree. The communities will be a blood soaked, post apocalyptic wasteland in greater proportions than currently. Strip police of their protections, then expect proactive police work? Delusional mindsets.
Most of that information is going to be in your report already. All you really have to do is add that you pointed a gun at someone and why. It doesn't seem like it's all that big of a deal. What I suspect is there will be a handful of phrases that will be used over and over again to describe why to the point where they will be meaningless.
Watch for just about every district to go into a RAP.
I thought this should be called TRANSPARENCY?
Anyone out there doing any kind of police work is an absolute fool. Do not listen to the cool-aide drinking bosses that tell you to go out and work and they will have your back. They will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat to get that next promotion and leave you hanging in the wind. You have been forewarned!
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
Good, i'm all for these idiots being the reason the body count going over 1000 just like aclu got us to 800.
Why do we need a consent decree? VOTE NO to any kind of concession!
Great. So because officer Van Dyke might have gotten a little overzealous with his shooting, I should have to suffer? The only people that the government needs to be keeping an eye on are these Exempts that don't have to take any tests to obtain their lofty positions of power.
Get rid of the Compstat crap already. I'm sure most of these Commanders didn't excel at math in school. All they know is the higher the numbers an officer generates the better it makes them look. The Count from Sesame Street must be the one running this joke of a department. Only a children's puppet would still think it's a bright idea to keep pushing this numbers game bullshit.
doj wanted nothing to do with it. why?
i moved away so let it happen captain.
lightfoot for mayor i say.
this one has the chops to complete what shortshanks started.
how come other police departments in illinois not sued like chicago?
the real exodus begins when corporations that settled here say fuck this.
i am sure other departments would welcome your talents as free agents.
do it for your safety and sanity. stick a fork in it. chicago is gone.
Wow, flop politics already and election is 3 years away! Mark D writes every flop guy’s name Then JCat posts, then Fernando’s stunt and now an “OT” comment from BD under a thread mentioning Prieb.
Response to 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
You ain't alone brother or sister, me and a ton of us feel the same way. Just look beyond the job and think 1st and 16th of every month, answer you're jobs, watch you're six and you're partners and go home at the end of you're tour. God Bless....
I dont think it is the department the judge is going to give time to mobilize. It will will Soros and the out of town protestors.
How could police leak the Decree since they are not part of talks. Why not BLM or Sores since he is behind the whole mess. Better have an active plan B guys and be updating or creating a resume your all going to need it in very near future. Anyone with less than 15 years in had better be actively looking for a new position. The over 15s had better be VERY FETAL as your every move will be watched answered criticized. COPA is now in charge. The good news is they will have to substantially raise the starting pay scale to attract anyone. You are about to become the Demolition Man Police. Watch the movie if you haven't seen it. The difference is the community has not been pacified like the movie. Good Luck.
To 3:31 please get help. You have taken the first step in admitting you need help now please reach out and go on medical if necessary. My nephew a CPD officer did it and is now a new man. Good Luck.
OT....the JVD trial starts Sept 5...unless another legal delay occurs..... trial to last 4, 6 , 8 weeks??? I'm sure the judge will give CPD time to mobilize when a verdict is reached. What if there was a blue flu on the day of the verdict announcement??? No overtime is worth the shitshow that's coming. Disclaimer...not advocating a blue flu. Only asking what if
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Will never happen. Too many coppers care about their spots, wearing jeans to work etc. Blue shirts will never band together like that.
Most of that information is going to be in your report already. All you really have to do is add that you pointed a gun at someone and why. It doesn't seem like it's all that big of a deal. What I suspect is there will be a handful of phrases that will be used over and over again to describe why to the point where they will be meaningless.
7/19/2018 01:32:00 AM
Boy, you sure got some rosy tint on your peepers there. Almost to the degree of opacity.
Welcome to rahmie's Chicago.
Well lets put IG Joe "Hands up over eyes" Ferguson on the case, he'll get to the bottom of all this leakage...
Lori, it was someone in your office that leaked to Fox, and more on the way. Enjoy the show. You have got to learn to treat people better honey. What goes around comes around.
A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Well you can thank rahm the mouse and ed the lover for these feelings of dispair, hang in there take some time off on the medical and PLEASE seek professional counseling...
To the depressed.Depression is anger turned inward.Please don’t give these clueless politicians and activists anymore power when the anger is really meant for them.They created this mess.If the activists and the politicians were really concerned about policing,they would have become police officers.They are cowards.How Many have went on ride a longs to firsthand see how the animals(criminals)behave?They wouldn’t last a shift.Most suicides are caused by depression.Don’t allow these people to have psychological power over you.Then,they win.It’s about time the police win.Where’s their 500 dollar per month checks?Rahm has the source of money partly because of the theft of retiree healthcare benefits.Work against Rahm with your anger and get out the vote against him.The weasel has been on the news lately with all of the I’m doing this and I’m doing that for the city crap.
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy
Your not alone, I dread going to work each day. I still want to be a police officer but not in Chicago. I get more depressed at the lack of lateral moves available in IL. I'm close to breaking free in a different state but I had hope to stay closer to my family. But I am so tired of being depressed that I will take the first offer no matter the distance.
To OT poster at 330 hrs concerning this job: it is time for some harsh realities — while I sympathize with anyone battling depression, the job alone is never the SOLE reason for overall unhappiness. Think about it for a moment: even at it’s best (whenever you believe this job was fun) people on this department were still depressed. Suicides, divorce and other crippling issues have always been associated with law enforcement. We are by nature risk takers, many of who have other vices outside of work.
None of this may apply to you, personally; but consider why the state of law enforcement is affecting your emotional well being. Of course liability and losing everything is a concern. The possibility of death or injury has always been there, though. What I would recommend as a fellow officer is do something different. CPD allows a lot of possibilities. Even if it means bidding to another district or calling in a favor woth someone, there’s always other options.
I’m personally not thrilled with work, either. But I enjoy my free time so much that everything I go through at work just brushes off. I grow annoyed with each passong general order/law/article referencing a consent decree to attempts to change the job. But I never let it affect me to the extent I’m depressed. I just use everything to my advantage. Let the young, naive officers involve themselves in nonsense. If they need help I’ll go; but I won’t paper jump or even transport their arresstees. Playing the game of, “how do I make this shift go by as quick as possible while avoiding the most amount of contact possible” is a game I’m great at now. Make the job work for you!
de pee-pul's of cuh-luh be's in chahge
3:31 am. Brother please go to EAP. They are wonderful. It’s all confidential.
Thank God I only have 16 months left in this unappreciated job which is being led by the blind and stupid leadership
3:31
It's not just you.
Let it burn
3:31 I love you. You just spoke my mind. Thank you!
Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
The first thing I would do is talk to other police officers, if you feel stressed out seek out help, The help I’m talking about is the help I needed when I felt the way you feel yeah I went to talk to a police psychologist I went through the fraternal order of police went over there and talked to them also they helped. Whenever you feel like you’re feeling it is time to either look for another position or as I have done talk to somebody so I could talk about what I was feeling the job is not that bad I went totally fetal I do the job by the book I make sure I back up my brothers and sisters on the Chicago Police Department always. Respond to my calls do what I have to do but absolutely will not engage in any type of proactive policing I also did everything by the book I still do everything by the book except that I will not engage with proactive people and I will not have an argument with these morons we deal with in the ghettos simple as that!
God bless you we are all we have so please seek out any type of help!
Off topic: Why no protests after the innocent BLACK church going woman was shot in the back of the head after an attempted car jacking?
But they will protest for days after an armed man is shot by police after he resisted arrest and was reaching for his gun as he fled.
So black lives matter only when killed by white police officers?
To the poster from 03:31, brother, or sister, I think that most of us feel the way you do. If you aren't talking to your peers about the way you feel, please start. You definately are not alone.
3;31 THANKS
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Same here...
Between the politicians the media and the merit bosses. It all sucks! U should never wish your life away but I can’t wait to retire!
To poster 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM. Thank you for being brave to share your feelings, many of our co-worker keep thier thoughts and feeling inside and those thoughts and feelings being to fester and can become deep saddness and later rage. It does seem harder to be a police officer nowadays, the feeling that the public does not have our back or worse our department does not support use. I need to tell you that you are not Alone. Many of us feel like you. But there is help, There are free services provided to us by the department. We have peer support and EAP. Both are confidential. Many of us use them. Both have helped so many of our co-workers. Thier services are available 365/24/7. Both of thier contact numbers can be found in tht F.O.P book, there are Peer Support members in each distirct plus both have websites which can be found on our department website. There is help and support.
They are in a road to disaster. They got to see that. Obviously, they just don't care.
All you have to do is explain why you pointed a gun at some one. No big deal. What are you nuts or on drugs? They will decide your reason was not valid and charge you with assault.
To 3:31 am
I know how you feel, been there too. I wouldn't even want to get out of bed on work days.
If it wasn't for a thoughtful and patient counselor found through my EAP, I don't know where I would be today. Please give it a try. At a minimum, you will feel empowered enough to do what is right for you. It changed my outlook and gave me strength to face the day to day garbage while exercising my options. I'm now enjoying my post-retirement career... Never looked back!
Good luck to you, and everyone else experiencing the same issues. There ARE options, something I never thought was possible before.
First thing FOP must do is get a very good lawyer. Not one who is beholden to liberal causes and friends with cop hating pro BLM pro black pro PUSH types in order to be appointed a judge. Because that’s the lawyer you have. Be careful.
If it is so important to the way that CPD "deals with the Public" then why is it such a secret???
Answer: They are trying to sneak some really crappy ideas about liberal Policing in, and they don't want any input from the likes of someone who might actually know what they are talking about.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
CALL EAP IMMEDIATELY! You will be amazed at the quality of the Counseling service. Doesn't cost you anything and they will help you get back on track
I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
-----You are definitely not alone. Most of the people in my roll call, including myself, feel the exact same way. The best thing you can do is to try to find anything positive outside the job and invest your energy in that. Understand that this is just a job and treat it as such. Act in good faith and always remember the boundaries of your authority. Do not force yourself to act in a situation, especially if your instincts tell you otherwise. You are not compelled by anything other than a supervisor's direct order, and even then, if you know that order to be in violation of someone's constitutional right, you do not follow it. Realize that sometimes your discretion will be limited, and in those cases that you have to make arrests or citations, make sure you have signed complaints or credible witness. If they want reports, give them reports - it can be a non criminal ucr if need be. Sometimes it seems that the whole world is against us, but that depends on what media outlet you listen to. There are many people out there who appreciate all our hard work so don't put too much stock into the social media "soup of the day". When you want to watch a little TV, never watch the local news- it's 90% leftist propaganda and 8% fluff anyway. Most important, set your exit date and plan for it. Whether that means finishing your degree, or using the credentials you already have, think about where you want to be in the midterm. Don't fall into some insane prolonged tenure; think of this job like radiation exposure- cut your exposure to 20-25yrs MAX. This job is not the end all- there is life after this. Make sure you are healthy and happy enough to experience it.
3:31.... you are not alone.
It's not just you.
Anyone who has been on this department over the last 10 years has seen it change into something unrecognizable. If I wasn't so close to retirement I would be looking for a different line of work. I can't remember the last Christmas I had off... over 5 years ago
I tell anyone who askes not to work in law enforcement. The pension won't be there and the money isn't worth the way it changes your personality.
Off the subject but the area 4 ride to remember is coming up. Why do we ride through the Southside black community when they Don't want us there. It would be much better to ride the expressways to get up north and then lake shore drive to memorial park.
Lightfoot was this kind of crazy stupid in OPS.
She could not accept that OPS needed to have a CPD supervisor come into office to give ordered to CPD members.
The city has been trying to derail active police work for past 10 years.
They want no waves and no troubles. But they want activity to show something
at the first of the month.
This started with Daley and now 9.5
Look at who the superintendents are when crap hit the fan?
Each time the Superintendent takes it right in head a new superintendent is picked and the politicians get re elected.
In 30 years I have only seen one superintendent retire. All the rest get sacked.
And they get some more to line up for the job.....
Who is crazy here?
Here's a little off-the -cuff list of what destroyed this job:
#1 it all started with the illegitimate accusations of racism. From the Northwestern Traffic stop study (which actually negated the accusations didn't it?), to Ferguson, MO, BLM bullshit, etc. In my mind blacks were fucked with in the 50's and 60's most likely . But by the time we were actually accused of racism, they weren't. It's like the big, sloppy government is 2 decades late, and whatever the gov't touches they fuck up irreparably.
#2 ISR's. More specifically, the receipts. You have to give some complete bustout a receipt when you stop them. I still wonder how narcotics can do their job.
#3 audio/video in the squad car. What the hell do you guys talk about for 8 hrs? The Cubs? The weather? Say something cross and you'll be on social media and lose your job. If you have any sort of professional license you'll lose that too. This may not be a big one because the cameras are not always recording right? I'm not so sure of that. (I am not in patrol if that isn't obvious).
#4 body cams. Great for the .0001% of public encounters when you are in a shooting. But what about when you just want to tell some shithead to be on his way in terms that shithead will understand? Think that will play well on social media with the "it can't be" snowflakes? Doubt it. Say something racial and you'll lose your job ... forever. And probably no new job if it follows you. Sub point on bodycams. I remember being on midnights and we would follow each other around all night on each other's jobs. Fuck that now. What if you have a sticky situation? You cannot even talk about what to do to resolve it without it being recorded for the world to see. What if the cop you are backing up does/says something stupid or racial even. Now you have to tell on him/her? Unless he takes money or beats someone unnecessarily, I don't want to be in that position.
#5 ERI. I have heard homicide guys say it's no big deal. You can still speak freely on the ERI, swear, etc. That's great. But that about us robbery guys? What happens when we, or patrol, get an armed robber on the street, say after a foot chase. YOU CANNOT SAY A FUCKING WORD TO HIM/HER (see how i threw 'her' in there? ya, right). You cannot mirandize and ask where the gun went. You cannot ask who off#2 is and where he went. You cannot talk to them at all until an hour or so later, when the lights are on because that's what the law prescribes. All based on the assumption that the cop is going to lie/coerce. You lose a lot of flexibility, that's all I'm saying. Homicide guys don't really have to worry about this because I would guess robbers are 10x more common than murderers. Shear volume.
I'm sure society just sees the upside regarding audio/video recording equipment. Well, I've never been dirty so I don't see it that way at all. I see the down side, GLARINGLY. I'm sure there's more but that's all I got for now. Thank God (with a capital 'G') that I am out-a-here soon.
Next, no round chambered. Must have a snap cap in the pipe.
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck.
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You're not the only one, and it's not just our department. They've made it impossible to do this job the right way. We can't do what we signed up for, because everything is second-guessed, overanalyzed, scrutinized, misinterpreted, etc. Criminals are seen as the victims and the police are the offenders. Lawsuits, unemployment, and indictments are an everyday possibility... simply for doing your job the right way. You can't help but hate what this job has become. If you can find another job, do it. You'll be happier, and you'll likely be in zero danger of being killed or going to prison. Most of us feel stuck though, because we've given X number of years and don't want to leave and start over. We're waiting it out to hit 20 years, or 50 years old, or until the kids are out of college, or until the mortgage is paid off. We want that pension, and we're also worried it won't be there when we need it. So we ride it out, hoping for the best, avoiding doing things that could land us in legal trouble for doing nothing wrong. You have to remember that it's just a job now. Be there when your fellow officers or the occasional good citizen needs your help. Don't go out of your way looking for criminals to arrest. Don't put yourself in harm's way to get numbers for some out of touch "boss." Try your best to forget work when you're not at work. Spend time with friends and family. Do something you truly enjoy. If you still find yourself feeling depressed, talk to someone. EAP is an option. Maybe just talking to a friend, family member, or co-worker would help. Depression can be treated, and sometimes that means therapy and/or medication. Don't be afraid to ask for help, or worry about being seen as crazy. Don't try to use alcohol to deal with depression. At least talk to a psychiatrist if you have feelings of depression. Suicide is a huge problem among our department members, and it's likely getting worse in recent years. Don't let this job drive you to do something that won't help anyone. Take time off whenever you feel the need to decompress or get away from the stress. We need each other more than ever now. You're definitely not alone. Your feelings aren't out of the ordinary. Take care of yourself and each other.
Have you or a co-worker or maybe a good friend ever been “dumped”? When it’s happening for whatever reason (often times no fault of the person getting dumped, just personality differences) the person getting dumped starts making phone calls, reaching out to friends in order to find a nice landing spot. Rahm is making those calls and reaching out. Rahm thought he had his landing spot with Hillary. This is true and eventually it should surface, Rahm had a well orchestrated deal to get out of Chicago when Hillary won and leave the citizens of Chicago holding a bag of shit.
To you young coppers out there who think the job is a fun game of cops and robbers, it’s over. All we have is each other. For those of you who have been twisted in to thinking the guy next to you is not your friend and you need to expose it, stop. Have each other’s backs and be there for each other until they give you a REASON not to. To you front line supervisors (this is not directed at the leaders in our orginazation, just the managers) who are sipping (or gulping) the Koop-Aid, just remember if you take care of your guys, they will take care of you. Do the right thing, don’t be the supervisor left holding Rahm’s bag of shit.
So lets look at some things here....Lisa Madigan pushed this to happen and she is the same person who in her entire career NEVER PROSECUTED a single Illinois politician for corruption related to their official duty capacity. I smell a rat! Second of all we had what we are now learning through our Congressional Oversight Committee hearings a CORRUPT and BIASED DOJ headed by lying Loretta Lynch conduct this report. This report was done half ass, rushed and extremely biased, I even went through some things in the report with people on my beat which happens to be 95% black and over whelming majority did not feel the way the report read as to many of the reports findings. Third things, the new DOJ decided they would not enforce it. FOP these are some of your angles for argument.
I just read the 03:31 A.M. comment and I'd like to tell my Brother I'm feeling exactly the same way as are the BULK of the people with time on the job. We are bombarded daily with chaos and people's worst day in their life and we are expected to figure it out in minutes. The onslaught by our bosses,politicians and the media make our once proud profession a powder keg in our heads and PLEASE seek help if it gets to be too much. I am approaching my end after 29yrs and have at times considered doing something very foolish to myself but always had someone or something bring me out of the darkness. There is a battle between Good and Evil and Evil is winning badly, but always be the Good and the Light in such a dark world.
So "lori" is mad about some democratic "we hate the police and law and order citizens"to see sunshine! What was the secret anyway lori? What do u b thinkin bouts this (that is urban speak)
As unrest follows latest Chicago police shooting, neighbors and activists plot ways to unify their community
Qualifications:Carson, an urban media professional
*Urban media does this mean he "speaks the language?"
Comment from story:
“Maybe the city should burn,” one attendee said before Calloway seized control of the conversation.
A retired police dispatcher spoke about feeling scared around police officers, while a young man with dreadlocks said young men and women on the streets need basic training on how to interact with police.
*Police dispatcher scared around the people she/he sent into battle wonder were coppers comprised without proper information if this pos dispatched calls?
*They need "basic training" to deal with police,how about "basic parenting" learn how to respect police,and parents that would be a start!
“There has to be a balance,” he said. “We have to humanize police and police has to humanize the community and we have to come together as a whole. We’re not going to get rid of the police, we’re not going to get rid of the community, we’ve got to find a way to live together.”
*Humanize police? We are off the rails getting back to you lori,along with lisa Madagascan and the rest of the anti-police crew that wrote this,the police will be together and will not jeopardize their families,career,freedom,bank account for this cockeyed plan the democrats have,the blood will be on your hands along with the rest that created this time bomb,guess murder and mayhem is what the creators of this decree want,the people suffer and will suffer more,better open more hospitals and get the morgue to rent space.
Maybe to cheer us up they can make a ribbon for it like the crime reduction or attendance ones.
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
Here you go, first call EAP and schedule an appt. Then have a talk with your family about living within your means and working at paying down your debt. You may feel a little more comfortable in your job if you read up on what we can and can't do. It's changed and those who aren't aware of our new working parameters are very much afraid of crossing that line. Your underlying sense of helplessness is the scary part. Get someone to talk too.
" Any fact facing us is not as important as our attitude toward it for that determines our success or failure. The way you think about a fact may defeat you before you ever do anything about it. You are overcome by the fact because you think you are. "
Norman Vincent Peale
Hey Poster 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM – Comments on CONSENT DECREE LEAKS
You are not alone in your feelings. Many posters say the same things as you, but they do not refer to themselves as you have done. Nevertheless, it is obvious that they are frustrated, angry and hurt over the drastic changes in policing over the last few years. The reasons for the changes are complicated and many, but more importantly, they are out of your control. Allowing things we cannot control to control us is futile and drives one deeper into the rabbit hole. Have you ever taken inventory of the positive things in your life? You have a home, a job with good benefits that pays 30-40% more than the average private sector worker. You can make your loved ones more joyful by focusing on how to make their lives better with your abilities. If you are competent, show up for work prepared, answer your calls, and focus on helping those in the community that appreciate the police; there still are many citizens that appreciate cops, and say nothing because they fear repercussions for speaking out. Also, start listening to Jordan Peterson's podcasts; they help put things in perspective and stimulate deeper thinking about the complicated times in which we live. I'm on my 3rd listening of Joe Rogan's interview with him #1139. It is fascinating and helps me deal with this leftist virus infecting the department and body politic. Finally, reaching out for help is courageous not cowardice. Your loved ones depend on your leadership and if you don't care for yourself enough, do it for them. God has blessed us despite these sufferings.
If anyone has time pick up and read the Newhall shooting by Michael E Wood in which the author writes about newhall shooting in California in April of 1970 where four California Highway patrolmen were killed in one incident by two offenders. The book cites that during that time the CHP put paper seals around their shotguns and if they were to pump these shotguns they had to fill out paperwork and justify why they loaded and pointed shotguns at people. This action would dissuade many CHP officers from even pulling it out for fear of discipline. After these four officers tragically lost their lives the CHP had to make a drastic overhaul of their training and tactics. The realization that red tape and bureaucracy cost officers lives catapulted the CHP in to the real world, a world in which evil exists and that if as a society you hope to combat evil you have to entrust those who combat it with at least an equal level of aggression in order to be protected. This filling out more paperwork is reminiscent of the CHP of the 1970's policy and I hope that as a society we do not forget the tragic consequences of failed and inadequate training and policy's.
0331 AM. I know exactly what you mean for I felt the same way for many years. Everyone has other issues in their lives but for me the job was a huge factor in my negative feelings. Perhaps you and I came on the job for the wrong reason. By that I mean idealism, wanting to make a positive difference in the lives of people who needed help. It seemed to me that the people who were most content on the job were those who took the job just for the pay and benefits. If you can, get out now. The job isn’t going to get any better. I ended up doing 29 years, all in districts, in uniform, driving cars with that goofy CAPS logo, then pulling the pin so for me it’s all in the past and am enjoying retirement about 1200 miles from the city I once loved but didn’t love me back. Whatever you do I sincerely wish you all the best.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way.
But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness [sic] to it at all.
7/19/2018 04:04:00 AM
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First, see a Department councilor. Second, see a financial advisor. Then, consider leaving this job, if possible, for another career elsewhere, even if at another Il. police department.
Fill out enough gun pointing reports and you are trickbaged into the personal concern program. They don’t want you to do anything, but bosses want numbers and the city wants you gone! What a fucked up city, thanks rahm.
Feeling Depressed,
Many of us are in the same place as you but we have to continue to do our job to the best of our ability.
I'm not saying go out there and be a hunter of men, dope, guns and stolen cars.
I'm just saying answer our calls with extreme professionalism.
Sooner than later the cancer will destroy itself and there will nothing to destroy.
Then they may see the error of their ways and return to law and order.
Many innocent lives will be lost at their own hands and you will not hear a single complaint. That is because BL(don't)M to them. Only political agendas.
Make sure you, your partners and family are protected.
Aside from that, they will learn.
Stay up brother. You're not the only one.
We are with you.
This headline just tells it all, consent decree handcuffing CPD even more yes crazy lori it will get infinity times worse:
Mother of two girls slain near Washington Park: 'Somebody saw something. Nobody’s gonna say anything'
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-shootings-violoence-20180718-story.html
Alright lori you got answers for this family? You need to stfu and just leave,along with lisa madigan and the entire barry obama crew that is finally gone,throw rahm,and toni,tommy,and kimmy in the bus also your all pathetic,sickening anti-police,scum! Yes it is so true,all the lives lost,all the people maimed,all the bloodshed every last 1 of you and the aldergoofs are covered in the blood foer everything you have done! You ahve destroyed law and order,taxpayers and pandered to the elements of society that cause all of this!
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
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Soooooo
#1 Your response is great. It's accurate, and other people feel the same way.
#2 If you are a psychologist attempting to get information about police.....F-you we see right through it
#3 You may be an actor of the enemy and performing this inquiry for gain of your side ......Iboma d-sucking side that is
#4 There are two sides in the battle that will reshape America. Side A (Christian Constitutional Originalists) and B (Socialist/Democrats). Sides C,D,E... will be swallowed up by the two.
#5 A will win, it's Manifest Destiny Baby.
America,
F-yeah
Hey Poster 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM – Comments on CONSENT DECREE LEAKS
You are not alone in your feelings. Many posters say the same things as you, but they do not refer to themselves as you have done. Nevertheless, it is obvious that they are frustrated, angry and hurt over the drastic changes in policing over the last few years. The reasons for the changes are complicated and many, but more importantly, they are out of your control. Allowing things we cannot control to control us is futile and drives one deeper into the rabbit hole. Have you ever taken inventory of the positive things in your life? You have a home, a job with good benefits that pays 30-40% more than the average private sector worker. You can make your loved ones more joyful by focusing on how to make their lives better with your abilities. If you are competent, show up for work prepared, answer your calls, and focus on helping those in the community that appreciate the police; there still are many citizens that appreciate cops, and say nothing because they fear repercussions for speaking out. Also, start listening to Jordan Peterson's podcasts; they help put things in perspective and stimulate deeper thinking about the complicated times in which we live. I'm on my 3rd listening of Joe Rogan's interview with him #1139. It is fascinating and helps me deal with this leftist virus infecting the department and body politic. Finally, reaching out for help is courageous not cowardice. Your loved ones depend on your leadership and if you don't care for yourself enough, do it for them. God has blessed us despite these sufferings.
I am not entirely clear why a crucial city policy is being negotiated by the people who have 4 months left on the job.
OT, or maybe related:
You are on point. This job makes me feel very similar to how you said it affects you. You may want to talk about it with someone, a friend or co-worker. If feeling like things are overwhelming, EAP or a Dr. Get it out there and others may help you search for or find a solution for your betterment. We are in this together and I’m positive there are many others with these thoughts and feelings.
I think anyone with integrity feels the same way as" OT, or maybe related".Who else has to do a job with cameras on them all the time?, you start questioning your own actions.It's an impossible way to do any job much less policing.
Point your gun at someone and they are going to scrutinize it looking to discipline you for unauthorized display of your weapon or worse yet aggravated assault of a citizen.
You better get use to bringing your own coffee and lunch to work and avoiding the public unless you are assigned a call. Take reasonable time arriving and assist each other as much as possible. Make the proper report and leave the scene asap.
They will be watching you for every little mistake, don't be baited into arguing with them, but note in your report that the citizen was confrontational, argumentative and using language and demeanor to aggravate the Police and public encounter.
They will remind you, "you work for me" and they want you to act to their standard.
This is defrocking the Police, get used to it, get paid go home, enjoy your family, spend your money outside the city & county. Protect yourself and family from the assault on the Police. Let them implode and give RAM and the patronizing Madigans as little satisfaction as possible.
The goal of the "consent decree" is to ERASE the thin blue line.
God help us all when that happens.
Any sane person can see what is going on.
There is NO candidate for mayor who is opposing this.
This will be the death knell for cpd,the final nail in the coffin as they say! If your being proactive in any sense resign now,before you lose everything including your freedom! What does Gary say his friend is looking for him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGYhRSsRoY
It should be leaking like a sieve..... cause this is some pure, unadulterated bullshit.
It’s all designed to further handcuff and neuter the police all while attempting to placate “the community”.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I simply cannot believe what this department and policing in general in this country has become. Also, Lori lightinherloafers, you look like a bug.
7/19/2018 12:16:00 AM
Yep.... a stink bug!!
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
You are not alone my friend, my brother/sister. Please seek some 3rd party advice or help; like EAP.
May God bless you and your family and be with you at times of trepidation.
Pointing your firearm at a person is a use of force and should require a report documenting everything in this article except for race. Really easy report to write, quit bitching and just do it. Almost all other police departments do one already.
Just add another box to check on the ISR.
From what I've just read I get the distinct impression that these anti-police Leftists don't really want 'Police' any longer, not Human ones anyway.
What they want are Programmable Robots -- sort of like 'Robo-Cop' but with a nicer personality -- that are run by algorithms. That when Robo-Cop runs into a situation on the street its computer starts churning through different outcome scenarios and its algorithm always selects the least 'violent'.
However, the problem is that we exist in the real world and their fantastical desires of how Human Beings 'should' act and react aren't humanly possible. Those desires only exist in some weird leftist Utopia of Rainbows, Unicorns, and where every kid has a Pony.
to the guy at 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM --
Please, please contact EAP or Fr. Brandt or your own clergy. There is help available for how you are feeling and you do not have to deal with it alone.
https://www.chicagopcm.org/resources.php
OT, or maybe related:
You said it all, “job”, like punching a time clock at a factory. No longer a career. We spend 1/3 of our lives at this “job” enjoy your other 2/3.
its always another day in paradise when all you do is
take your time to answer your calls
either code them out when necessary or
again take your time to write a report when necessary....
stay physically fit...
adjust your finances
start buying your goods at FairPlay or any other discount grocery store,
make sure that you drive an older personal auto at least 10 years old...
socialize with friends and family at home and
keep your faith and strength high as you make it towards the finish line.....
don't think about what goes on around your job just start reading novels or listening to the AM/FM frequency radio AM 560 news FM 78.9 classical during any down time in between jobs and at home....
Retired May 2018
PMGR = Pointed My Gun Report
"723, that man with a gun at 63 & Ashland is unfounded. Hold me down in 7 on a PMGR"
"724, I going in too on a PMGR from 63 & Ashland."
"713, I have to do a PMGR too, same location."
711, Robbery in Progress 59 & Halsted unfounded. Going in on a PMGR."
712, Going in with 712,PMGR.
714, I'm with 711 & 712. PMGR
721, PMGR, 59 Halsted too.
733, clear from the personal. Do I have to do a PMGR?
732, that suspicious person at 71 & Racine is 19-P. PMGR in 7.
734, hold me down with 732, PMGR.
OT or maybe related, call the Guys and Gals over at EAP 312-743-0378. They can help.
CPD , I dare you . No car will respond to any domestic , in progress alone . We will wait for back up . We will all draw weapons , be out of service for hours . Just try to put more restrictions on CPD . Gangs now have green light to take out Drug corners, how many guns , drugs were delivered on July 7 when the dan Ryan was shut down . Was that planned to assist criminals ?
0331am
You’re not the only one brother. Best advice I can give is to just leave work at work. When off duty, do the things you love. Fish, hike, pick up a hobby. Stop talking about work to others. Hang out with friends who are not the police. Treat this job like any other job. It shouldn’t define you. I know that goes contrary to what a lot of us signed up for, but that’s what it has become. This job was a calling to many of us, but we have to accept the fact that in this current climate, it is not what the public wants.
The change of venue motions will be coming up.....this could go to the Supremes..... Remember BART shooting and dear ole Rodney King trials.. LAPD..??
Here's a better idea! Disarm all the cops and dress them head to toe in Kevlar! If you think nothing is getting done now, wait until they implement these rules under the, if you can say it, white wash consent degree nonsense.
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM”
You literally just described every one of us on this job. Go to work and leave it all there, heck let it burn, just try not to take it home.
This comment is intended for all law abiding Blacks. When are you going to step up and decry what is going on in YOUR community? When are you going to speak out against apologists like Jesse, Pfleger, Sharpton and such? When are you going to identify where the real problems lies? Any common sense blessed individual knows the problem lies with approximately 8% of the black population. The ghetto residents, the Social Justice Warrior, and the apologist within the black community have the moral fabric of an insect carrying a deadly disease. Oh I forgot to mention the George Soros funded offspring of 1960’s flower children radicals. They care less for you than they do for a rabid dog. These parasites kill your children, pollute their minds with vile rap lyrics, and destroy any sense of community with their drug inspired gang culture. They scream racism at every juncture. They demand better schools, good jobs, and opportunities in the work place. Well if you’re a socially engineered graduate of Marshall High School you’re not going to be asked to be the CEO of a major corporation. They want to start at the top and move to Glencoe to show society that the repression of blacks through slavery has been erased. Well that isn’t going to happen. There’s a simple concept called “earning it” to consider. I ask all of you to consider one very important equation in these alleged misdeeds of our police. There’s a legal concept entitled “contributory negligence.” In other words, if you obey the order of a police officer you won’t get shot.
The Dems don’t like leaks unless it’s benefiting their agenda.
The timing is all about the upcoming State and City elections.
Big push to rush this C-D through before the November election so Mousie Madigans can attain some sort of obamaesque legacy.
Essentially upstage the Lyin Hawaiian? Nah, it’s to appease obumo and get a Board spot at the new lakefront socialist center.
Rahm could care less if it goes thru or not, and likely use the issue to either way blame The POTUS or FOP or whitey if it doesn't, as will his impending successor.
But he will take alll the accolades if it enacted, especially if before Feb 2019.
Not sure if the C-D suit is under State court jurisdiction but we can’t rely on the equally biased Crooked County judiciary.
Everyone’s looking for the vote and not police reforms.
Avoiding public opinion, and don’t think the Dems haven’t done a poll on the C-D and maybe THEY leaked bits because public sentiment on the issue is mighty low and really not getting any coverage to sway some support in the form of votes.
I kind of wish that the DOJ under the GOP would have held on to the issue a bit longer by slow drag stalling it into at least 2020.
Democrats Kwame Ratoul and BigHead Prickster are chomping at the bit to push through the C-D on their agendas.
Same with GOP AG hopeful Erika Harold.
Whether is leaked info or just another political media stunt, I can’t see how a Consent Decree is going to bring back Law and Order when it basically will do the opposite.
Stay Fetal is your basic, no nonsense consent decree.
Avoid Lawlessness.
Stay out of the ghetto affair.
Based off of what happens in Baltimore. Any time you point your gun at a suspect it becomes a documented use of force which takes about an hour to fill out. Also with too many "uses of force" you will be put on early intervention and be made to see a psychologist. Good luck
Body cameras, why not holster alarms. Anytime a weapon is removed from it’s holster during a tour of duty a signal will be sent to the CCR. A supervisor, someone from COPA and a senior community member will respond. All those responding will leave a detailed report before the officers are returned to duty, sent to counseling or put on administrative duties. If any of these procedures are not followed a 19P will be given.
4:04 A.M. - What you said!!!
Consent decrees reduce the number of civil lawsuits filed so it saves the city money. Conversely, there is also a large increase in crime and victims that pay the price for the savings. So get ready.
Hey 0331 man I feel your pain, I’ve really been contemplating doing 20 and leaving that’s still 6 years away and I won’t be 50 I’ll only be in my early 40s. Before I read your post I was going to post inquiring if there negative effects of leaving with 20 before you are 50. Anyways find some hobbies and friends non police it helps.
Lightfoot was a disaster when she was the head of OPS. She came in later, left early, and most of the day was spent on the computer shopping. She left all the heavy hitting to her deputies. She was hated by everyone. Blacks, Whites, and Spanish. She looked down on the black females especially. Don't get me wrong, she had her favorites including on white investigator. Do you ever wonder why she never stayed at a job for a long period of time? A light weight!
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
I think if you DON’T feel this way then there is something wrong with you. Most of us are in this same position. I don’t understand why Rahm and the City of Chicago would want to force coppers to stay until 55 yoa. A lot of guys are maxed out prior to this age or are willing to leave prior to reaching 75%. However we can’t leave until we qualify for insurance. The burn out rate is increasing exponentially. It would be beneficial for everyone to get coppers off the street after 20 years. Rahm is being foolish. Probably listening to the bean counters.
After 23 years I’ve decided to look for another job/career. With the cost of living so high it’s not like we can live on a pension these days anyway. Everyone is going to have to work to pay taxes and medical bills. You only live once, if your not happy with the job find another one. Easier said then done I know but unfortunately this job is going to get worse before it gets better.
To the off topic poster. You are not the only one feeling this way, or in the same position. Even with being fetal there is still that chance of getting sucked into a shit storm on a job. You can do everything right, but if it plays wrong politically you are enemy #1. A political hack and top leader can violate multiple general orders and nothing happens. Try and focus on your family and the positive. Look at cod as a pay check. But if it gets to be to much. A 50% pension at 20 years is not worth your life. Go back to school on the cities dime before it goes away. That will keep you going then leave this job for a different career. If you cant do this, dont let the assholes win. Keep up the good fight.
Does the questionair ask what you percieved first. A threat, a possible threat, or the race of the suspect.
Silly I know. But ask yourself. Did you pull your gun out because the suspect had a gun who happened to be black. Or did you pull your gun out because the suspect was black and happened to have a gun. Seems like the questionaire is bias to answer and meant to paint officers in a racist light. The report places its highest priorty to race first and officer safety second.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Not a cop.
Please get help.
Officers throughout US are depressed, fed-up. Read comments on this page alone.
Converse with fellow officers in your department, others, clergy.
The job is very stressful. Don't wait until you're too ill. Don't be embarrassed.
I lost my brother, CPD, last August to suicide. Please, get help.
03:31am You are not alone. I am so glad you are opening this up for discussion. I too feel very depressed over the disrespect shown to law enforcement. It's actually quite frightening to see the entire country leaning so far to the left that they believe we are the enemy. We already see the ripple effect of making us the enemy. My demeanor has completely changed over the last few years. I feel defeated and worried what the future holds for my family. Once this comes full circle where does it leave us not only as Police Officers but as Americans. The Chicago Police Department certainly has had its share of bad apples but it is such a small percentage and does not reflect who the other 99.75% of Police Officers are. Statistics clearly show that black and brown people commit a majority of crime in this country but it wouldn't be right or fair to treat ALL brown and black people poorly the way we are being treated unfairly. I have worked with many awesome brown and black officers over the years and never judged them based on their skin color but instead on their character and behavior.
Hmmm. Libtards never learn about "unintended consequences" no matter how many times it bites them in the ass. However, this stupidity will go over well with their voters and get them re-elected so the money can keep pouring in.
I love how these idiots believe this will improve us and make everything better. Liberals have no clue as to the repercussions of such a decree. The communities will be a blood soaked, post apocalyptic wasteland in greater proportions than currently. Strip police of their protections, then expect proactive police work? Delusional mindsets.
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The world is going to end because after an encounter is over where you threatened to kill someone you have to report it? A lot of departments have required such a report anytime a gun is taken from the holster for many years. No apocalypses there to date.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM - SO then, you feel like all the people who no matter how hard they try find they can't adhere to the law because there really is NO WAY TO DO SO, which is of course by design!
You feel stuck in a rut, trapped by those same corrupt politicians who trapped the rest of us -trapped us right down to disarming us entirely for half a century?
Who do you suppose empowered and continues to empower those crooked politicians?
Oh yeah, their POLICE FORCE.
The irony is that YOU h ave the power in your hands to end the RUT you describe. DO your JOB, arrest the CRIMINALS - starting with the REAL ones, the corrupt politicians. Try it, you just might like it, and you just might find that not doing so is the baseline cause of the problems you wrote about in that comment.
Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy.
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What you are going through is perfectly normal. I was cynical when I started this job, now I hate people so fucking much that I only wish to be surrounded by my family and close friendships. My advice, treat this job only as a job. Do not use this job as your identity. Don’t get the tattoos, go to cop bars, tell war stories, wear Cpd tee shirts, or do anything that identifies yourself as a police officer.
Find a way to enjoy happiness through the small things....a loved ones smile, a hobby, or any other outlet that keeps your ass off a barstool
Policing has always been a shitty job, and will continue to be as long as it exists .
If anything else, REFUSE to let this job destroy you inside.
Finally, if you need help, call our helpline-or at least talk to some old timers
Good Luck and hang in there
What is this shit the alderman are pushing, universal income? Who are the alderman sponsoring this?
To the 3:31 AM poster...your comments were like I wrote that post myself...you are not alone, there are a shitload of guys like us! Just do like that one guy that posts here says, "Look, Laugh, Leave". Give them what they want, nothing. This is no longer a proactive job, it's an exercise in survival! You have done your best for this city and its citizens. You have fought the good fight, but now it's over. You can't stop it, you can't reverse it. I feel sorry for the young coppers, but if they stay on this job...then it is their own fault. They have been given numerous warnings. If you are stuck here, then you are stuck. It's not in our nature to be "dogs", but this is the hand we have been dealt. So, back off the throttle, let these jagoffs have at it, and get home safe. Do not put yourself in harm's way!! If the bad guy gets away...oh well, advise warrant procedures! No foot chases, no car chases, no arrests without prior,completely filled out signed complaints. Drive to your calls in a safe manner. I can do 10 years standing on my head and laughing at the absurdity...and so can you!! Don't get involved, we are merely here to document the fall of the society...So do it. Be safe and "Be the change!"
It's a national disgrace that BLM is getting a seat at the negotiating table.
03:31 No you are not alone that could have been me writing that. I feel the same exact way.
To Anonymous at 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Anonymous ...I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses....
You're depressed. Call EAP. Take some time off. Go on vacations with the family.Look for another department and career. And screw Eddie Johnson Rahm Emanuel all of the media , the gangster protest community, the fake ghetto pastors leaders and reverneds that lead them and the totally destroyed Chicago Police Department.
To Anonymous at 7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Anonymous ...I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses....
You're depressed. Call EAP. Take some time off. Go on vacations with the family.Look for another department and career. And screw Eddie Johnson Rahm Emanuel all of the media , the gangster protest community, the fake ghetto pastors leaders and reverneds that lead them and the totally destroyed Chicago Police Department.
Your not alone 03:31. There have been adjustments we have had to make as police officers over the years but we still managed to do our job and have fun. Unfortunately, over the last 3-4 years this train has derailed.It is a mental burden to go on a tour and avoid work. We all want to feel productive and feel as if we are making a positive difference in this state we call life. We cannot control what a misguided society, city, department deem "just". However, we can leave a productive mark on society by serving as models to our friends and family. Flip the script on this department and take up some vocational training or seek a degree on the department's bill. Start planning an exit plan for your retirement. Serve as an inspiration to your family and friends. Use your down time on your tour to better yourself via education or any other method which appeals to you. Most importantly, hang in there and know you are not alone brother/sister. Sincerely, Almost 20 year vet.
OT: I assume with the staring of the Officer Dyke trial beginning Sept 5, our command staff is organizing a thorough plan if things go haywire?
To Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed.....
You are definitely not alone. 😞
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31
I think that describes most of us now. It’s all negative all the time and the bosses could care less. Going to Pro-police events (like the cpd/cfd baseball game last night or even st Jude) seems to shake some of the negativity off for me. You have to get a reminder that this is a noble profession and one to be proud of still.
Do these liberals feel that” turning the screws” on the police will improve conditions in the hood? Remember, once it’s gone.... the old days will not come back. The bloodbath will continue . Then what? More police reforms? Kinda like a guy blaming the pizza place for being a fatso.. it’s gets old giving 100% to help people... only to get blamed for this mess. So glad I retired a few years ago.
Strip police of their protections,
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Just how does reporting lawful action(s) strip one of any protection?
Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy....
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
I am truly sorry for your situation and can understand your how are feeling even though I am not a police officer, I am a public servant, and no you are not the only one having these feelings.
You could/should reach out to TRUSTED coworkers, friends, family, aslo consider calling the EAP line from work.
Please reach out to your priest/pastor/preacher/rabbi,etc. and even if you only believe in God but are not that religious, you can still talk to one of those folks, they are good listeners and can give you some insight to things.
Try not to be depressed, I know that is easier said than done. Don't be hard on yourself. We care about you, name unknown. We need you to be strong for your friends and family, to continue to be part of some community in need and to enforce the law, which is your passion.
If you are young with not many years as a police officer and not close to retirement and you do not have a lot of deep family/ emotional roots here. After you talk/think things over and you still feel like this is not your scene, you should strongly consider putting your house up for sell, you can get your school loans deferred, I did before, I had to make big changes in my past when I was young and started over.
All of this will take time but can be done but in the end can extend your life.
Consider using your skills and talents as a police officer in another town, city where you would be happier and better appreciated away from this hell of a city. Perhaps even out of state, there are much nicer less taxed places to live than in present day Chicago. You can find a place were one does not have to continually watch over their shoulder and be hated/marginalized because of what they do for a living.
Again I know all of this is easier said than done, but can be done, people do it everyday for their sanity and peace.
I guess the only thing that holds me back from leaving this berg is that I have spent a lot time customizing my home for the past several years, its a hobby and I am lucky to live in a nice neighborhood.
Also I am no spring chicken, already 50 + years old now, will retire sooner than later, and just trying to hold to a glimmer of hope that is sadly fading with each passing day, but I am determined to ride out this storm here in Chicago, then retire and move far from here.
Remember the situation you are in does not have to be a permanent situation, you can and will make things better for yourself with some thinking and effort.
Just remember you are not the only one in this boat that's in a hell of a squall right now.
May GOD'S peace be with you and the other police officers who are in need right now.
This is going to be another one of the mayors disaster's
To Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
It's the job not you. I felt like that from about my 4th year on. I've now been retired 3 years. Here is my advice. Find a great partner who works like you. Answer your calls write paper for everything and just let go of it all. Write a parker or some other bullshit once in a while to keep the suck ass white shirts off your back. When they bitch and moan about numbers smile and say I will try harder then walk away and in your mind tell them to go fuck themselves. Never let a white shirt know what you are thinking. 90% are not your friend and will piss down your neck and say it's raining.
Next... Start gearing up for a job or business you can do when you get off that fucked up department. Whether you go back to school or its something you did once before. Just set yourself up to be successful as soon as your 20 are up. Whatever you do don't eat sleep and poop the department. Find another side job that has nothing to do with police work.
And most importantly. Cover your ass, avoid the clicks and get the fuck out of there.
Best of luck to you brother. And remember, It's not you!!
If that little bug-eyed, hateful, twisted,
racist/racialist, black supremacy espousing,
hating the world/thirsts for revenge against
everybody who isn't her because of her own
particular and peculiar lot in life - little
weirdo named Lori Lightfoot is throwing such a
grand mal conniption over the details of
this so called "consent decree" being leaked;
that in and of itself is very telling as to
the real intended purpose of this so called
"consent decree."
She can herewith firmly grasp that worthless
progressive and perpetual grievant flight-of-fancy
called a "consent decree" and properly use it
as the ass-wipe it is...
That's not a "consent decree" as much as it is
the dictating of horrific terms of surrender
to the law-abiding, tax-paying citizenry of
this city and conferring absolute impunity
upon and immunity for the ever seething,
UNSATISFIABLE, perpetually aggrieved
demographic sub-set who are all about it
finally being "their turn" now.
It's not about them having a "seat at the table."
It's about them forcing YOU to concede YOUR
earned and worked for seat at the table.
Do any of you who smugly identify yourselves
as the "Silent Majority" in this town think
for ONE m/fing second that this insanity is
going to cease with "Police Reform" while
Dude Inc. is granted free air and opportunity
to visit their misery on you and yours with
not even the merest check or balance by
The Police?
This "consent decree" is nothing but a means
by which to cynically separate The Police from
their public safety/public order and peace
function. Period. Full Stop.
"Don't intervene when WE publicly do the fool."
"Don't stop or impede US when you believe WE
have/are about to publicly do the fool"
"We just want YOU to be THE REFEREE and to
care only about US when WE do the fool on
each other... And you better save US from
ourselves and each other with your hands
tied firmly behind your backs or else we'll
use our "seat at the table" to make sure YOU
lose your job, your treasure, your freedom
and subject YOU, your comrades, your families,
your friends and all who support YOU -
to slander and ruin."
The law-abiding tax-payer is expected to
reap dick-all in this grand social engineering
extravaganza and smile about it.
If you express concern about what's coming,
you'll be accused of enjoying "privilege"
and being "racist" to shut down your expressions
of concern.
Ahhh... Fuck it.
Tired of trying to lay these corrosive,
treasonous collectivist m/fers out for
you blissfully ignorant simpletons to see
them for who and what they are.
When The Police are finally done for,
then what?
Maybe we and others of like mind will just:
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
Watch from a safe distance as you
very belatedly figure out what the
count is and try to fight THEM back.
"We don't understand why you guys
are so mean, angry and hostile!
If only you had more training to
be the humble public servants we
want you to be."
Anonymous said...
I thought this should be called TRANSPARENCY?
7/19/2018 02:35:00 AM
"Police Reform" in Chicago, by it's very intent and nature, is as
clear and transparent as the perpetually seething, boiling, bloody
shit-mud cascading through the streets of "The Community."
Meh...
We know nothing except for what we've seen for half
of our lifetime from behind the wheel of a Blue & white...
Just another "old, racist, brutal cop"
in need of "reform" according to the
perpetually aggrieved and their progressive
collectivist supporters and abettors.
once again, a democrat politician makes life unbearable for those who try to make Chicago work.
off topic anybody know how alderman ed burke got a black eye and scatches on his face, did he did into a fight or something
hate to tell you SCC but the City of Champaign Police department has for years required officers to fill out a UOF report if they pull their weapon.
3:31 you are not alone. Schedule an appt with EAP. I’ve been there and it helps to get things off your chest. Try and keep your head up. 1st and 16th. That’s it. Jobs on the beat, partners 6 and that is it my friend. Fuck this spineless dept. Fuck the puppet Eddie Johnson. Fuck 9.5 and fuck this socialist leftist shithole.
I felt harassed by the officer who did not leave a tip because I gave him shit service = officer fired for being a cheap ass— lol
Look at the police in Baltimore. The politicians have ruined that department. Those coppers have disengaged and the crooks are ravaging the city.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/19/chicago-officials-have-irresponsible-idea-give-away-money-to-create-universal-basic-income.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Don’t be cutting in on our gig! I thought we already had this program, city jobs!
Do these liberals feel that” turning the screws” on the police will improve conditions
7/19/2018 03:20:00 PM
Many of these liberals I beleive have psychopathic tendencies and enjoy inflicting pain on the police. They don't care about an 80 yearold man from Chatam being shot down like adog. Nor do they have any feelings toward the young children killed in this city. They are psycho tunnel blinded by their political agenda against law &order and police are on their radar. They got their sights on police that's it! They don't care about black or any other community or individual inChicago.
I appreciate CPD officers truly from the heart.
Stay safe and now safer and even more fetal. God bless all officers!
12:09 -
Congratulations on achieving the level of stupidity required to internalize such a contradictory, nonsensical worldview. Best of luck on your continuing criminal enterprises.
If BLM is a movement and not an entity (as determined when someone tried to sue them), how the hell are they getting a seat at the bargaining table during this consent degree?
Anonymous said...
OT: I assume with the staring of the Officer Dyke trial beginning Sept 5, our command staff is organizing a thorough plan if things go haywire?
7/19/2018 02:03:00 PM
What the fuck did I just read???
Hey Lori look at your staff first. That person who was not treated well or not given the promotion promised and expected. It is an internal leak designed to embarrass you. Looks like it worked, but know there is more to come including details of things you would want kept quiet.
Lori your mayoral donors will not like the next leaks.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
No. You're not the only one feeling that being a police officer in this climate sucks, but just keep doing your thing, the right thing, and you'll be ok. As for me, ever since all this anti-police bullshit started, I do the bare minimum. And that has meant less stress! A small part of me welcomes all this consent decree bullshit because it'll further reinforce in me the notion that I shouldn't do a damn thing. And it will help motivate more coppers to go fetal. As far as the idead of "making a difference", get that out of your head. This is just a job. Aside from the fact that proactive policing is dead, this is just a means to a paycheck. Don't think so much.
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
Exactly how I feel. I used to THRIVE on being proactive, assisting other cars, helping citizens and chasing bad guys. This was before BWCs, ACLU-ISRs, COPA, BLM, Kim Fox, force mitigation, etc. Now I take my time getting to just my jobs and handle them in a way which is of least legal risk to me above everything else. It sucks. But it's the only way left to survive this job.
#5 ERI. I have heard homicide guys say it's no big deal. You can still speak freely on the ERI, swear, etc. That's great. But that about us robbery guys? What happens when we, or patrol, get an armed robber on the street, say after a foot chase. YOU CANNOT SAY A FUCKING WORD TO HIM/HER (see how i threw 'her' in there? ya, right). You cannot mirandize and ask where the gun went. You cannot ask who off#2 is and where he went. You cannot talk to them at all until an hour or so later, when the lights are on because that's what the law prescribes. All based on the assumption that the cop is going to lie/coerce. You lose a lot of flexibility, that's all I'm saying. Homicide guys don't really have to worry about this because I would guess robbers are 10x more common than murderers. Shear volume.
WRONG WRONG .. you can talk to them the law requires they be taped. BWC tape... you really can not be that stupid can you?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
PMGR = Pointed My Gun Report
"723, that man with a gun at 63 & Ashland is unfounded. Hold me down in 7 on a PMGR"
"724, I going in too on a PMGR from 63 & Ashland."
"713, I have to do a PMGR too, same location."
711, Robbery in Progress 59 & Halsted unfounded. Going in on a PMGR."
712, Going in with 712,PMGR.
714, I'm with 711 & 712. PMGR
721, PMGR, 59 Halsted too.
733, clear from the personal. Do I have to do a PMGR?
732, that suspicious person at 71 & Racine is 19-P. PMGR in 7.
734, hold me down with 732, PMGR.
7/19/2018 10:09:00 AM
We're going to need a lot more police 😂
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy.
I feel the same way. I have 19 years on, mid 40s. I have no desire to do this job anymore. I'm looking for another job but i don't know if i could take a serious pay cut but it might be worth it for the peace of mind. I don't want to stay after 20 and if something comes along i'll get off this sinking ship. All options are open.
I am pretty left leaning when it comes to the environment, unions, some other things.
BUT when it comes to law enforcement, specifically the CPD, you have my support.
A "consent decree" or "police reform" will lead to lawlessness and to a breaking down of society, worse than in already has in our city. A city with some good people and some good things happening, but sadly not enough good people and good things happening.
Let the police police themselves, not a bunch of police hating lefties.
NO DECENT DECREE!
Be safe out there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's a national disgrace that BLM is getting a seat at the negotiating table.
7/19/2018 12:54:00 PM
BLM are terrorists FOP should say something they have no say at negotiating table or walk away!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT, or maybe related:
I've just got to know if i'm alone in feeling like this, or if others out there feel the same way. I feel like I'm living in this dark cloud the last few years. I've become pretty unhappy. I put on a good face to most people, even while at work with you fellow coworkers, but deep down I guess i'm feeling depressed. I think it's the job that's making me feel this way. I can't be totally sure, but i think it is. I really have no interest in doing this job anymore, but I am stuck. Tuitions, mortgages, etc. I did love this job at one time. I would go to work and ride on everyone else's jobs and help out and we'd all have fun and laugh. But now, i go out there and try to have as minimal contact as possible. Every job you ride on now is a possible lawsuit down the line, possible shooting you could get into and turn into the next public enemy #1, especially if there's any questionableness to it at all. Every call a possible TRR that will scrutinized along with your body camera to see if you followed everything to the letter. Heck, you show up now and use the wrong amount of force and you'll be fired or possibly jailed. It's just not what i signed up for. I took the job to try to use my life to make a difference in the world for the better, and i tried. Now, they've made it so hard to just go out and try to help people that it's not even worth it. It's terrible. The liability and second guessing is to immense. The ironic thing is that i'm one of the straightest guys on the dept. I've always done everything by the book, and even i'm afraid now of just showing up and trying to do my job. I don't really know how to get past the way i'm feeling about this job. I couldn't imagine it getting worse, but i know somehow it will. I believe it's starting to turn me into a negative, depressed person and i hate that. Again, i'm wondering if a lot of you are feeling this sense of hopelessness. A sense of being stuck in a job you now hate because it has changed so badly so fast and you really don't have a way to get out. I honestly am wondering if it's just me that feels so down or are there others, even most coppers out there feeling the same way? Just asking because if it's just me, then maybe it's not this job and i have other issues. Maybe it's something else that i'll have to figure out. I'm just pretty sure the job is what's making me feel like this. Thanks for any responses.
7/19/2018 03:31:00 AM
You're not alone. I used to love this job. Now, I merely tolerate it. I am sure to look out for "my guys" (that's a gender neutral term, btw) and try to have some laughs during the day. But it's hard. You do feel like you're walking a tightrope. Every. Single. Day. I look to try to find happiness in small things, like talking to kids or giving them some candy or fruitsnacks. Kids love sugar. I should also say that I'm fortunate to work days - so it helps to actually come across people (even in the ghetto) who do wave at you, say hello. When I was on mids, the feeling of us vs. them is amplified to the highest degree. Take some time off. Find YOUR happiness (hint: it doesn't involve the job.) Maybe it's your kids, riding a motorcycle, working out. Whatever makes you feel blissfully normal and brings a small sense of peace - do that. Do more of that.
Set an exit date, take a leave of absence and explore your options. This job is toxic and do everything you can to walk away whole body and mind.
Anonymous said...
OT or maybe related, call the Guys and Gals over at EAP 312-743-0378. They can help.
7/19/2018 10:12:00 AM
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
Pointing your firearm at a person is a use of force and should require a report documenting everything in this article except for race. Really easy report to write, quit bitching and just do it. Almost all other police departments do one already.
7/19/2018 09:41:00 AM
Pointing your weapon is not a use of force. Using force is a use of force. Don't agree with nonsense just because you've been tricked into believing the bullshit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Great. So because officer Van Dyke might have gotten a little overzealous with his shooting, I should have to suffer? The only people that the government needs to be keeping an eye on are these Exempts that don't have to take any tests to obtain their lofty positions of power.
Get rid of the Compstat crap already. I'm sure most of these Commanders didn't excel at math in school. All they know is the higher the numbers an officer generates the better it makes them look. The Count from Sesame Street must be the one running this joke of a department. Only a children's puppet would still think it's a bright idea to keep pushing this numbers game bullshit.
7/19/2018 04:42:00 AM
Laquan was high on PCP refused to drop the knife where is the video of him slashing Police vehicles tires beforehand thank god the women Officers stayed in their vehicle or their heads would be getting bashed into the pavement like the other incident!
To 3:31: As many said, you're not alone. It feels as if everyone is against us. To add insult to injury, we are told all we gave doesn't matter. The city cries broke and says there's not enough to pay us what was promised and what we contributed to, our pension. Money for flowers, illegals, drug addicts, etc, but not for us. After all we have given and seen and we are treated like scum. Please hang in there. We are all trying day by day.
I worked someplace that mandated a report every time you pointed a firearm at someone. Even some supervisors I otherwise respected carried water for that policy. It absolutely created bad tactics in that it can make you hesitate before doing what you SHOULD be doing. I'm not saying it's a rational response, I'm saying that's just how it is. Paperwork like that is punishment and it will condition a hesitation response to those 'iffy' situations. That can get someone killed.
The only way they get away with it is that it's a city that doesn't have crime like Chicago and very few shootings.
It's over
****IMPORTANT INFO****
Everyone that is active needs to check the white pages and other sites that list names and phone numbers and opt out of them. One of our officers in 005, that was out there doing his job and quelling the out of control protestors, had a flyer made with stills from video taken by the media, as well as some asshole posting his home address on Facebook.
Bring back Frank Rizzo. He knows how to clean a city up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_iwzNWIMmQ
7/19/2018 04:42:00 AM
Laquan was high on PCP refused to drop the knife where is the video of him slashing Police vehicles tires beforehand thank god the women Officers stayed in their vehicle or their heads would be getting bashed into the pavement like the other inciden
So you are saying that the police should stay in their car while a crime is being committed and their tires are being slashed? And let other officers take him into custody.
"Paperwork like that is punishment and it will condition a hesitation response to those 'iffy' situations."
Exactly. A classic punishment of school children was to make them write "I will not talk in class" 50 times. It's a slippery slope they're embarking on to eventually proscribe all police weapon use.
You know, I heard a tape of the Mayor speaking at I think the Civic Club of Chicago today. He was teary as he tried to convince the audience of his empathy for gun violence victims in Chicago. Then I read about this consent decree here and in other outlets and I am left with the conclusion they are crocodile tears. His and the pandering of others in the so called community called Chicago and the Chicago values are in large part responsible for the madness on the streets of Chicago. His and their quest for votes and support at the expense of law abiding citizens, his failure to support the police and law and order in general play a large part of what is wrong in Chicago and what is violent in Chicago. I believe and hope he is not re elected. The problem is I do not think anyone else is the answer either. You still have the 50 thieves to deal with and an inordinate amount of reverends and self serving activists. As a culture, this city is like a dirty toilet in my opinion.
In this economy and anti-police climate, departments nationwide are having trouble finding people.
Get out of Shitcago while you can. It’s a department that is a shadow of its former self. Look at the
quality of current recruits, metit promotions, and the exempt staff. When an Eddie Johnson can rise
to Supernitendo, need anything more be said.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT or maybe related, call the Guys and Gals over at EAP 312-743-0378. They can help.
7/19/2018 10:12:00 AM
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
7/19/2018 07:30:00 PM
And the Progressives and the perpetually aggrieved
who now have a seat at the table will have access to
your name, home address and family info to make it
easy to compel you to give up your weapons and
rendering you defenseless and unable to protect
yourself and your family...
The new and improved "public right to know"
trumps a Police Officer's right to privacy
and self defense.
This IS your reward for being rubbed
against THEM and showing the ill effects
of it.
"Stop complaining! You knew it would
be like this when you signed up!"
Right?
3:31. I feel the same way. This job SUX. But there’s light at the end of the tunnel. 6 more years to go.
If reports have to be filled out when a gun is pointed at a person, his I.R.# should also be included. I would bet a whole lot of toothpicks that like Ivory Soap, 99.9 percent would have one. However, shit does not float like Ivory.
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
7/19/2018 07:30:00 PM
Not true at all. Everything is confidential and they keep no records.
6 years later, i see less back up or non whatsoever. We see each other as a liability now. I no longer stop and talk to people. I stay away. I don't do active police work anymore. I get a call, i go and print a vin. I go to lunch, gas and home. This is no longer an aspiring career but a contingent job that pays bills. We don't have support from fop. Our sup proved he is anti police when he marched in civil disobedience with police haters. State police is our leader in authority but now is a complete joke thnx to Rick flare allowing the highways to be taken over. An old timer told me, kid...feds don't investigate zeros. Stay safe and fetal. Say no to tac or teams.
So here is my story when I first became a cop I would of did it for free. Love every minute of it 28 years couldn't wait to get back from furlough , wouldnt go on the medical. Then as time went by I started to see the change how easy the department was jamming guys up for nonsense. Bosses would get there rocks of screwing with the officers. I remember driving by a corner with my partner jerkoffs would leave, sometimes you have to put your foot in there ass to get them to leave can't do that anymore.Then I went on furlough didn't want to come back. I realize today since I retired May, 2017 it's the best thing I did turn 55 grabbed the health care ,sold my house in the city, moved to the burbs couldn't leave the state elderly parents. My wife who stood by me in good and bad times now I have a good life. I miss some of the men and women of C.P.D. What I'm saying to( your not alone) get your ducks in a row , get out when you can. Life gets better and enjoy. That part of life will be history to you.
As a 3rd generation CPD family, We will not be sending anymore recruits.
I never thought I would be saying that.
Sad,
G Night Squad.
This "consent decree" bullshit is simply that, bullshit brought on by ultra leftwing groups who helped create the "blm" narrative.
All of this is happening with an agenda to spread their form of revolutionary communism across our once pretty great city and country and destroy our uniquely American democracy.
They have seen an opening and they are taking it. This is realworld, not a joke.
There's is an agenda not compatible with American ideals. We will never be a communist nation, never! Maybe socialized medicine in 25-30 years (if we are still an nation) but that is about it, no communist fantasy bullshit.
If they get their hooks into us here in shitcago and establish their policies, it will spread more and more across this country on to other urban hubs, then to smaller cities and towns.
Things are liable turn out like the fictionalized futuristic Detroit presented in the 1987 movie Robocop. But with a real likely scenario of mayhem and bedlam on a massive scale spreading nationally.
It won't be instant, but in 6-10 years it could become a hellish reality.
We will then decline into 3rd world standards and the streets of urban America, and some suburbs, will become free fire zones.
This is not a gdamn fcking game or joke, we are talking about the safety and lives of good people being threatened. This will affect the good people of all races, creeds who respect law and order in America.
May GOD help us and intercede.
7/19/18 11:32 next tme your on furlough gas up the family truckster and visit red state fly over country. stop and talk to the good people about the cost of living. democrat third world shit holes cost a fortune to live poorly. in beautiful mayberry you can still live a stress free happy life........with scenery. so many places have mountains, coastlines, deserts, you name it and not like our lsd for the 1%. beautiful places with good citizens that want to help their fellows, honest to a fault and actual things to do when your not always working. there is a quality of life in small town america that is totally foreign to those of us that have spent our whole lives here in midwest somalia. some people never lock their homes or take their keys out of their cars. and know what.......they have nice houses, cars, kids go to colleges and have big weddings and all the other crap we think we have to make 6 figures to scrape by. remember whatever you make you keep 1/3 after income, sales and prop taxes etc. btw they think anyone who lives here or new york or l.a is nuts. i would have to agree. one more thing, the citizens in fly over country love their cops and are more than happy to assist them in trouble. hit the road then hit trulia and check home prices and taxes in the real america you will be pleasently suprised. buy a fishing pole and a hunting license and plant a little garden and make your own wine and beer lol. good luck and enjoy the other murica!
Lori shouldn't leave things in copy machine where anyone could get them. More to come.
I am the original poster of the depressed 3:31 comment.
I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone that took the time out to write a message to me. You have no idea how much it meant to me. I literally was in tears reading the comments. The ones that started out with “brother, ... “ just felt amazing. It really made me feel like I have family on this job that truly care about me. And to SCC to provide this platform for me/us to be able to reach out to one another is invaluable. Thank you so much SCC.
Knowing that I’m not alone makes me feel a lot better, but knowing that there’s a LOT of fellow coppers out there that are feeling the same as me makes me feel really sad too. Its a terrible feeling/thing that I’m struggling with. I just want to assure many of you that responded that I’m not feeling at all like harming myself. I’m just feeling very depressed at thought of having to do this job for a considerable more amount of years. It actually feels like a prison sentence.
Lately it’s just really been bringing me down. I feel trapped here and hopeless. Very unhappy and can’t seem to snap out of it. I think it might be time for me to take some of your advice and go talk to someone about it. Maybe they can find a way for me to start to see the brighter side of things again. I was once a really happy energetic person that loved to do just about anything. I’ve become pretty miserable and I need to change. It’s not fair to my family.
Thank you everyone from the bottom of my heart. You’ll probably never know how much your responses meant to me.
I am in planning for post-CPD civilian job. I dipped my toes in recently and took a short term gig. Took a bit of time off from CPD. As I drove to work, early morning, and drank my coffee I could feel it .... nothing ... no stress whatsoever other than being tired. Just an average guy attracting no attention driving a civilian car. There is life beyond this job. And one final point: the stress on this job doesn't come from the dangerous criminal, at least not the chronic stress. It comes from the constant threat from the "well-meaning" liberal menace and from other coppers.
Hmmm. Policing is dead. I remember the days of real policing when you had to fight like hell to get on a tact team because everyone wanted to lock up bad guys. Today, with the intense anti-police atmosphere, you have to fight to stay OFF a tact team and hope that reverse seniority saves the day. You do not want to do proactive policing in this day and age.
Anonymous said...
7/19/18 11:32 next tme your on furlough gas up the family truckster and visit red state fly over country. stop and talk to the good people about the cost of living. democrat third world shit holes cost a fortune to live poorly. in beautiful mayberry you can still live a stress free happy life........with scenery. so many places have mountains, coastlines, deserts, you name it and not like our lsd for the 1%. beautiful places with good citizens that want to help their fellows, honest to a fault and actual things to do when your not always working. there is a quality of life in small town america that is totally foreign to those of us that have spent our whole lives here in midwest somalia. some people never lock their homes or take their keys out of their cars. and know what.......they have nice houses, cars, kids go to colleges and have big weddings and all the other crap we think we have to make 6 figures to scrape by. remember whatever you make you keep 1/3 after income, sales and prop taxes etc. btw they think anyone who lives here or new york or l.a is nuts. i would have to agree. one more thing, the citizens in fly over country love their cops and are more than happy to assist them in trouble. hit the road then hit trulia and check home prices and taxes in the real america you will be pleasently suprised. buy a fishing pole and a hunting license and plant a little garden and make your own wine and beer lol. good luck and enjoy the other murica!
7/20/2018 12:45:00 AM
Suggested places to visit in furlough?
Anonymous said...
So here is my story when I first became a cop I would of did it for free. Love every minute of it 28 years couldn't wait to get back from furlough , wouldnt go on the medical. Then as time went by I started to see the change how easy the department was jamming guys up for nonsense. Bosses would get there rocks of screwing with the officers. I remember driving by a corner with my partner jerkoffs would leave, sometimes you have to put your foot in there ass to get them to leave can't do that anymore.Then I went on furlough didn't want to come back. I realize today since I retired May, 2017 it's the best thing I did turn 55 grabbed the health care ,sold my house in the city, moved to the burbs couldn't leave the state elderly parents. My wife who stood by me in good and bad times now I have a good life. I miss some of the men and women of C.P.D. What I'm saying to( your not alone) get your ducks in a row , get out when you can. Life gets better and enjoy. That part of life will be history to you.
7/19/2018 11:49:00 PM
What suburb would you suggest I’m ready to move?
So would the Gun Pointing Report be instead of or in addition to the TRR?
Don't see a need for PGR. Just another way to waste time and police manhours.
Just why the hell shouldn't it be made public? Citizens need to know the rules by which police operate.
No elected official should be able to work in secret.
/19/2018 03:31:00 AM - SO then, you feel like all the people who no matter how hard they try find they can't adhere to the law because there really is NO WAY TO DO SO, which is of course by design!
You feel stuck in a rut, trapped by those same corrupt politicians who trapped the rest of us -trapped us right down to disarming us entirely for half a century?
Who do you suppose empowered and continues to empower those crooked politicians?
Oh yeah, their POLICE FORCE.
The irony is that YOU h ave the power in your hands to end the RUT you describe. DO your JOB, arrest the CRIMINALS - starting with the REAL ones, the corrupt politicians. Try it, you just might like it, and you just might find that not doing so is the baseline cause of the problems you wrote about in that comment.
7/19/2018 12:34:00 PM
The real irony that you have so obviously missed in your overly simplistic answer, is that the police are as powerless in the community they serve as the members of the community they police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT or maybe related, call the Guys and Gals over at EAP 312-743-0378. They can help.
7/19/2018 10:12:00 AM
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
7/19/2018 07:30:00 PM
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Used them a long time ago during a divorce. Got a great councilor and HIPPA rules exist between both parties. Absolutely no red flagging. Don't talk about of which you have no knowledge.
Worked the deuce through the 80's and into the 90's. Never once did I walk up to a car I stopped, without having my gun in hand, and discreetly at my side.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
7/19/18 11:32 next tme your on furlough gas up the family truckster and visit red state fly over country. stop and talk to the good people about the cost of living. democrat third world shit holes cost a fortune to live poorly. in beautiful mayberry you can still live a stress free happy life........with scenery. so many places have mountains, coastlines, deserts, you name it and not like our lsd for the 1%. beautiful places with good citizens that want to help their fellows, honest to a fault and actual things to do when your not always working. there is a quality of life in small town america that is totally foreign to those of us that have spent our whole lives here in midwest somalia. some people never lock their homes or take their keys out of their cars. and know what.......they have nice houses, cars, kids go to colleges and have big weddings and all the other crap we think we have to make 6 figures to scrape by. remember whatever you make you keep 1/3 after income, sales and prop taxes etc. btw they think anyone who lives here or new york or l.a is nuts. i would have to agree. one more thing, the citizens in fly over country love their cops and are more than happy to assist them in trouble. hit the road then hit trulia and check home prices and taxes in the real america you will be pleasently suprised. buy a fishing pole and a hunting license and plant a little garden and make your own wine and beer lol. good luck and enjoy the other murica!
OT. But maybe not. You mention property taxes. Northwest side assessments came out the last few days. They will be driving a lot of people out of the city. Don’t know what happened but most of the new assessments are in the 30 to 40% range. Several have been 90%
Double your property taxes along with paying for garbage renewal, higher water rates will cause many to move. I know appeal your taxes, but they just throw you a bone to keep you from complaining. Just another nail in the city’s coffin
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
7/19/2018 07:30:00 PM
Please don't spread ignorant misinformation like this. You may be keeping someone from reaching out to get the help they need. EAP does not ask for your name, keep a list of who contacts them, or notify anyone at the department when you call them. It's all kept completely confidential. Your stupid fucking response, based on complete ignorance of how EAP works, is dangerous. We have officers committing suicide without ever reaching out for help. Some of them may have believed that they'd be put on a list or lose their jobs if they contacted EAP, so they never called. Now they're dead. Do you really want to steer people away from seeking help when they need it, when that help could possibly save their lives? Educate yourself about EAP before spreading dangerous lies.
Hopefully this puts the people still doing police work into the correct fetal mindset. Policing in Chicongo is dead. Enjoy anarchy Chicago
to 07/20/2018 12;45am execellent post any ideas what states or towns to move too, im retiring nect year and i told the wife to pack up dog and we are leaving
Re:
****IMPORTANT INFO****
Everyone that is active needs to check the white pages and other sites that list names and phone numbers and opt out of them. One of our officers in 005, that was out there doing his job and quelling the out of control protestors, had a flyer made with stills from video taken by the media, as well as some asshole posting his home address on Facebook.
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Keep in mind a lot of the data is minded from public records. If you are buying a home or condo, be sure to take title via a Chicago Title Land Trust (http://www.ctlandtrust.com/buyers.htm). These are excellent ways to hold property to keep your name off public databases. Most attorneys and doctors I know all use these trusts to keep clients /patients from showing up at their home.
I’m just feeling very depressed at thought of having to do this job for a considerable more amount of years. It actually feels like a prison sentence
I feel the same. I keep getting more down because I spend all my off time applying for new gigs and not having much success. It's a living nightmare
Hey Consent Decree
Fuck You to all the crooked politicians and a Big Fuck Your to all the thugs. How about they sign a Consent Decree to BEHAVE.
Absolutely a political ploy by RHAM.
Can anyone advise on how to get a successful lateral spot in the burbs. I feel like the taint of cpd is preventing me from getting a new spot.
Swiping has come to 011. The beatings will continue until morale improves .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh really then you are put on a list of Officers with mental problems no way!
7/19/2018 07:30:00 PM
Please don't spread ignorant misinformation like this. You may be keeping someone from reaching out to get the help they need. EAP does not ask for your name, keep a list of who contacts them, or notify anyone at the department when you call them. It's all kept completely confidential. Your stupid fucking response, based on complete ignorance of how EAP works, is dangerous. We have officers committing suicide without ever reaching out for help. Some of them may have believed that they'd be put on a list or lose their jobs if they contacted EAP, so they never called. Now they're dead. Do you really want to steer people away from seeking help when they need it, when that help could possibly save their lives? Educate yourself about EAP before spreading dangerous lies.
7/20/2018 12:22:00 PM
Really how is it kept completely confidential? I;m getting ready to commit myself to a mental institution and file for disability I don't know what else to do to end this nightmare.
Hey 0331: just want to say keep your chin up! I agree with so many of the replies here. There are some practical things you can do. You can’t change what is going on in this City but you can change how you respond to it. You have the power over you. So:
1) always act with the dignity and decorum and ethics that are in your heart. It MATTERS. YOU MATTER.
2) Exercise. Walk. Run. Lift weights if you don’t have a program get a personal trainer. It will change your life.
3) don’t eat shit. Keep the drinking to the barest minimum. Treat yourself as you would someone who deserves your love and respect.
4) if you have debt, pay it off. You need to control what you can and feel empowered. Don’t be a wage slave. You are NOT a slave, put youself in the best situation you can by living debt free and saving your dough.
5) agree about getting a hobby. Do something: fish, hunt, paint, write, carve, take dancing classes with your lady. You need something else in your life.
6) Learn! I can’t stress how much agree that you should read up on Jordan Peterson. Study conservative thinkers. They are the way put of the darkness for this country.
7) trust the EAP. They are the BEST and completely trustworthy. Helped save my marriage
8) do things for others. Reach out to the old folks in your family, in your neighborhood, in your district. More of them are living in loneliness and poverty than you can ever imagine.
God Bless you. I don’t know of you Believe. But I do. And I am telling you: GOD sees you. GOD knows what is in your heart.
A Police Wife
in response to the post about where to live most places that are more than a days drive from a large progressive city are nice. both coasts of michigan are great but a little expensive. must be ludington north. most of wisconsin away from madison and milwaukee are great. minn awat from twinn cities gorgeous. away from snow is old florida n. w. coast and panhandle. alabama coast. most of texas away from the blue cities. out west a dozen great states as long as you avoid the denvers and las vegases. low taxes and pension are not taxed in these places. tons of best states to retire to websites out there to check. it all depends what works for you as far as hobbies and weather. look at the red blue election maps from trumps election. blue city states beware. red open country, look for more info. i have a beach house in wisc in a nieghborhood 200 ft from lake michigan, 3hr drive. 50k house in perfect condition, 1200 prop taxes, low utilities, no sales tax on utilities in winter, no interest loans for homeowners for energy upgrades etc. the cops have NOTHING to do most of the time. 4th of july had several thousand people in a park with no lights for fireworks. when it was over people used their phone lites to walk out. no crime, yelling, swearing, loud music etc. i didnt see one cop assigned to the park except to direct traffic out. people waited patiently in their cars for 15 min to get out without any wilding, horn blowing, driving on the grass or threatening to kill peeps if they didnt get out tha way. we are the crazy people for putting up with the tension and stress of having too many rats in the maze. figure out what you want out of life and look it up on the net. go to zillow or trulia and check prices and taxes. rent an airbnb for a few days and stay amoung the locals. hit floyds barber shop and try aunt bees pie. another gem, if you have 200k in equity and a 60 k pension you can live like a king in most of red state murica and not like a beggar in shitcago. sell your shit, retire and hit the road, you will wonder why you waited so long. good luck.
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