FOP Fires a Broadside
- Chicago’s rank-and-file police union fired back against Mayor Lori Lightfoot on Friday with an open letter marking the latest volley in a rhetorical battle between the new mayor and her longtime political nemesis.
The Fraternal Order of Police slammed the “inflammatory and false allegations” they say Lightfoot has lobbed against the officers’ union, most recently during the City Council meeting on Wednesday when she said she’d sit down for contract negotiations with the FOP “any time you’re willing to move forward on reform and not block every single issue.”
Union leaders insisted they have “accepted reform” following the scathing 2016 Justice Department report on CPD policies, though their letter immediately goes on to note a potential federal consent decree was rejected by ex-Attorney General Jeff Sessions, and then calls the ensuing decree agreed to by the city and state “a host of senseless policies and bureaucracy imposed upon our officers that will only handcuff the police.
A cope of the entire 3-page letter is at the link or at the FOP site if you don't want to give the Slum Times clicks.
Could someone in a position of knowledge:
Could someone in a position of knowledge:
- tell us exactly what "reforms" have been proposed?
- what "reforms" have been obstructed or blocked?
And maybe tell us where the money is going to come from for all of this "reform"? Since the Department of Justice has removed itself from the process, there is nothing in the way of Grants or subsidies forthcoming from Washington DC.
Labels: dumb ideas, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
56 Comments:
Reform? We are maxed out on reform. What other reform is left? We have in-car cameras. We have body cameras. We have ISRs. We have new use of force. New orders on tasers. New TRRs. All kinds of new training. Consent decree. etc. etc. There’s nothing left to do. Unless she wants to take away our firearms and arrest powers. Someone in the media want to stand up for the police and point all this stuff out and ask her? She’s acting very unreasonable.
LL and company hates the Police. We might not see another contact until we have a new Mayor.
More democrat mayorass doubletalk! Hey your mayorass, you want peace in the city, get the States Attorney, the Judges and the Sheriff to do their jobs instead of continually throwing arrest out or bonding out violent offenders in court or at the jail.
To put it in a way maybe your mayorass can understand, If the garbage trucks drive through the alleys and no garbage gets removed the shit is going to start stinking! GET IT?
THE SHIT IN THE CITY IS WAY PAST STINKING BECAUSE THE SAME P.O.S> ARE STEALING, SHOOTING AND KILLING WITHOUT ANY SA, COURT, JAIL INTERVENTION!!!
Mayorass you ran your mouth about the Police...Now I am calling you out to do something about the SA. Judges & Sheriff....I'm betting BIG you won't do shit....Mayorass You P.O.S.!!!
She keeps on bringing up the notion of reform being obstructed by our Union. My question is beyond what the City has already done. Beyond what’s taking place within the Consent Decree. What reforms are you seeking to take place?! Give us at least your top 3, which YOU feel are being obstructed beyond Federal oversight. I literally have no idea what you are getting at.... And out the opposite side of your mouth you demand that we be proactive and do everything within our power to snuff out violent crime? Have you not been paying attention?!
Sadly, you have inherited a sanctuary city thanks to
the illegal activities of former mayor Rahm.
Guess Washington is sending one of those silent
messages. This is tantamount to an economic
embargo of a foreign country. If I were in D.C.
I wonder how I would deal with a city fighting
everything I was trying to do on a national basis.
Cutting disgressionary spending would have to be
at the top of the list.
Just an FYI, but the 700 million deficit that Emmanuel left groot does not include the cost of reform. It was one of the things he purposely left off and let her be the decider of how much "reform" the mayor can bare to tolerate.
Of course, allowed to retire, no charges or a very slow process. But remember civilians are shitheads or low mental voters.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cop-sex-assault-transgender-woman-20190606-story.html
Why do people continue to believe that a consent decree with US DOJ would mean an influx of federal money to pay for implementation? That’s just not true. All costs are borne by the defendant. We are paying for the monitor right now. Any future changes come from Chicago taxpayers.
Answer to the last money question is simple. Where do you think the money is coming from the stupid taxpayers of course, the community has no tax dollars. The Dumbocrats dream these schemes up and force the innocent taxpayers to fund them. Actually not so innocent taxpayers since they voted these tools into office and keep them there. Maybe they are getting what they deserve. Thank you sir can we please have another tax. LOL at your stupidity.
The answer is simple the reform will be a slew of new city taxes to pay for all the mayhem her war on the police will cost. wait until a hot Summer nights and the fires start. The CPD is out gunned, outnumbered and unmotivated to stop it when it begins. Batter hope FATSO activates the Guard in a timely manor once the rioting begins avert another Chicago Fire. Not a matter of if but when. Good Luck, say home and protect your homes and families at all costs, let the communities burn down to the ground.
Fuck her. Arbitration now. How long are these clowns at FLOP gonna sit around and do NOTHING?
Its like trying to be nice and bend over backwards for somebody who hates your guts and you keep hoping they will come around. Its never gonna happen. Its war. Fuck her.
Lori should publish the reforms that she wants, let the public see if it’s reasonable? We will agree to the same rules as the FBI.
You might as go to arbitration right now.
I love reform. Does it include new uniforms? Maybe berets?
tell us exactly what "reforms" have been proposed?
what "reforms" have been obstructed or blocked
Ummmm, not actively stopping white devils from killing community members? That needs to end.
Reform? We are maxed out on reform
"Reform" is like Jello. There's always room for reform.
The reform that LL wants is to strip police of all their rights and protections and basically make them at-will employees. If LL had her way, rapists and mass murders would have more rights and protections then Chicago Police Officers. Hell, Chicago Police Officers are already 3rd class citizens!
The FOP must high a professional communications group to handle their messaging. In fact, they should hire a professional executive director to manage overall operations. How does anyone think a bunch of Cops actually know how to run a business model. Yes, there are a lot of very intelligent cops, and we can do many things other than just policing well, but when in the history of FOP 7 have we seen them do the right thing.
She/They want us not to be able to review our BWC during violent incidents. It’s set up so it’s all our fault and not the people’s (folks) fault. The FBI get 72hrs before a statement is made I believe. We can agree to that. They thought the BWC was going to catch the beat Officer going to klan meetings. It just shows dude doing what he do.
Reform the Reidency policy. To make it more along the lines of what is in place in NY and LA. As in, no Residency.
No, that's not the reform Madame Mayor is talking about.
Keep it up.
There’s no way FOP should tolerate Lori’s disrespect and slander.
Still stuck in the concept that enforcement of laws can stem the tide of violence?
Still hopeful that digging that hole deeper will return us to the surface?
Still waiting for a hero to bring back the sanity of clarity of purpose?
Silly, silly wabbits.
T'aint no solution to dis problemo other than summary dissolution of violent attackers.
No, not the dumb assed asshole wonder that head shot a serial shoplifter.
Nor the idiot "manager" who summoned the asshole.
Nope.
The solution of summary dissolution is a discrete and faster than a speeding bullet one.
By it's nature, also a mysterious event never to be quite understood.
At least not by law enforcement criteria.
Think Gomer Pyle.
Shazaam!!!!
I guess she doesn’t want to offend the real reason crime and murders are out of hand....Kimm Foxx
FOP reached out to Jeff Sessions after Sessions previously promised to help. Sessions rejected the request. Pat Murray for president!!!
can someone get the feds to look into lightfoots actions?
Reform, start with elimination of command staff , demote those involved in lietenant scandal .
Assign Lt. Sgt. as District ,Unit Commanders , we can do the job better than those that never were promoted from rank order .
Reforms are already in place and being fully implemented by CPD: The goal of restorative justice is to free convicts and ensure no criminals are either kept in custody either before trial or after conviction. To achieve this, CPD should refrain from making any arrests. Staying fetal is the surest path to reform.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reform? We are maxed out on reform. What other reform is left? We have in-car cameras. We have body cameras. We have ISRs. We have new use of force. New orders on tasers. New TRRs. All kinds of new training. Consent decree. etc. etc. There’s nothing left to do. Unless she wants to take away our firearms and arrest powers. Someone in the media want to stand up for the police and point all this stuff out and ask her? She’s acting very unreasonable.
6/17/2019 12:20:00 AM
Since the CPD has already been reformed to death, lets talk about reforming our contract for once. Lets reform the past practice of going 2-3 plus years ignoring us. Let’s start with wage compression. We should not be waiting until our 25th year to reach top pay. Totally ridiculous. No other departments have this. We also should not have to work 29 years to make out. How about a salary that keeps up with the growth of the economy and cost of living? How about a COLA for forced residency? How about lift residency after 10 years, or no residency at all. And no, not everyone will leave. Just look around and see how many retirees haven’t left. You’d be surprised. It’s time for the FOP to reform city halls way of doing business. Remember, if the city keeps treating cops like shit, they will continue to see a decline in applicants for an already very unattractive job. Residency and the pension mess does not help.
The Mayor has squandered her honeymoon period. She has choose to beat the "dead horse" called Burke. This looks and sounds like she is reforming things. Picking on Burke is safe and easy. This week's body count of killing and maiming however, is much harder to deal with Vs. finding social justice solutions that sounds quick, pleasing to the Community and very costly to taxpayers.
Madam Mayor, If you don time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?
When you have your Accountability Meeting today without Special Ed, just you and his Mutts, what new crime fighting strategy will you pull out of your ass and sell to the media.
Six weeks in office and the last several have been to LA and NYC. Pimping and pandering yourself out so soon is not fooling anyone. In the meantime chaos continues whether your here or playing grab ass with Oprah. You know your only good for one term so preparing yourself for higher office and hanging around with fellow Socialists is smart on your part. But we know you already for the fraud, liar and socialist that you are.
Remember we don't trust you, believe you or have any confidence in you.
Why didn't Kevin Graham sign this?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
LL and company hates the Police. We might not see another contact until we have a new Mayor.
6/17/2019 12:37:00 AM
We deserve to have the city negotiate in good faith, but if they’re just going to putz around, then string it along it, I don’t care. Rumor is that the city wants out of the 55 and out provision, so string the city along and let as many people take advantage of the provision before we lose it for good.
When is FOP gonna get duty availability pay for the police with less then 3 or 4 years on the job ? Why they gave that away was just wrong !!
Of course, allowed to retire, no charges or a very slow process. But remember civilians are shitheads or low mental voters.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cop-sex-assault-transgender-woman-20190606-story.html
6/17/2019 05:15:00 AM
Supposedly last year he submitted the paperwork to retire in April 2019. He most probably retired in good standing, not under investigation, considering the complaint was not made until after he retired. And, he was probably issued a retired star and retired identification card.
Anonymous said...
Why do people continue to believe that a consent decree with US DOJ would mean an influx of federal money to pay for implementation? That’s just not true. All costs are borne by the defendant. We are paying for the monitor right now. Any future changes come from Chicago taxpayers.
6/17/2019 06:26:00 AM
actually....A USDOJ consent decree does mean an influx of money to ensure that the changes are implemented.
WE are in a state initiated consent decree that was implemented and overseen by a federal judge. BIG DIFFERENCE!!! We get to foot the bill thanks to Lisa Madigan.
dose anyone in their right mind thinks she cares one whit about what anyone in the FOP has to say. To her the FOP is no more than a pimple on her ass. A couple of good scratches and it goes away.
She is actively consulting with advisors about pay cuts to all the CPD, to justify this first shots were fired with the attacks on our FOP and Rank and File. Expect us to be branded as even more lazy, incompetent, all white racist department and vastly overpaid. Her recent visits to both coasts were to finalize media contacts with entities that will vilify relentlessly us on local and national media outlets. She wants to close a $700 million gap on our backs and the skids have been greased by Emanuel’s brother. Expect a full court press.
Don’t go into arbitration until all these taxes are imposed on us!
The reforms she is talking about is that she wants the FOP to give up certain contractual rights in the contract. When she was the head of OPS she hated the fact that PO in shootings could confer with a FOP Representative, that the Police Officer had to right to have an attorney present when given a statement, and she absolutely hated the appeal process the Officer has when there is a sustained finding. This is what she is talking about. She wants to strip the Officers of their contractual rights.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When is FOP gonna get duty availability pay for the police with less then 3 or 4 years on the job ? Why they gave that away was just wrong !!
6/17/2019 03:11:00 PM
That never should have been lost in the first place, but at this point it’s a lost cause. We can’t give it up in one contract and then give something up to get it back. Our union is a joke to begin with, and would only look worse by doing that. I’m sorry for the young guys that this happened to, and shame on those of you that voted to take money out of young officers pockets. Disgusting
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP reached out to Jeff Sessions after Sessions previously promised to help. Sessions rejected the request. Pat Murray for president!!!
6/17/2019 11:18:00 AM
Murray is a clown.
He’s in way, way over his head.
Keep voting for the Democrats!!
We need a fair raise, retro and contract protection NOW! Arbitration NOW!
Something to keep in mind. While it is frustrating for us not to have a contract just think every time the Murder Mayor gets a new body count she has to shit another new crime strategy and beat up Special Ed and his Mutts. Don't think she doesn't feel the heat while she bad mouths the Police. Little Lorie no matter how you cut it or what you say you are the Murder Mayor of Murder City.
Interestingly enough, it didn't make a difference if Lori is in town or out of town, murder and mayhem continued unabated. Special Ed was hospitalized and it didn't matter. Actually no one missed him. No offence intended Ed, but you are a non-entity in the big scheme of things. You should have taken a few days off after your hospital visit and stayed out of the heat. Let your Mutts take the heat for this weekend. If not, then at least loose the fat gut. You're starting to look like a "pair with legs".
Anonymous said...
Why didn't Kevin Graham sign this?
6/17/2019 02:24:00 PM
Distance?
Cover?
Shielding?
Plausible Deniability?
Promptly and professionally respond to all calls of service from the public and file a report. By doing so you will have faithfully fulfilled your oath of office.
Proactivity has been "reformed" to death.
This will be the first true weekend of summer with school out and warmer temps. 40+ shot, 10 dead. Lori, what will you have to say about this come Monday? The "cohmunerty" will be doing the killing, not The Policeman.
Safely respond, report, repeat, and then go home.
One reform is “lose it or use it” on time due. No more unlimited time due earned as a PO being paid out 20 or 25 years later at retirement as a white shirt at the white shirt salary level, or if still a blue shirt, at the higher salary at retirement. The good news is, they will have to reform the reasonable granting of time due.
Seeing CPS is in contract negotiations and has a residency rule which is never enforced what is CPD position on ours and upcoming negotiations? Class action lawsuit for decrimanation??
Anonymous said...
One reform is “lose it or use it” on time due. No more unlimited time due earned as a PO being paid out 20 or 25 years later at retirement as a white shirt at the white shirt salary level, or if still a blue shirt, at the higher salary at retirement. The good news is, they will have to reform the reasonable granting of time due.
6/17/2019 11:48:00 PM
Well then, how about giving blue shirts the option of selling back 200 hours every year like white shirts are allowed to? Time value of money. Pay now or pay later?
If the city refuses to give blue shirts such option, make it hurt. Take time off only on weekends, especially when it is warm.
Reform?
Okay then. How about not "stealing" an officer's compensatory time if he/she is to be terminated? Remove that clause from the contract. Officers get screwed with that clause. While facing termination, many resign or retire in fear of having their hard earned compensatory time unfairly taken from them. Now that's reform we can believe in, hypocrites!!!
Fair is fair. Right? Right?
It's going to be the same thing every weekend - "a whole bunch of murders" What does she expect the police to do? We don't have the manpower - never will - to play a man-to-man defense. Ever worked a detail at a large parade? Or perhaps the Bulls Riots? You get the feeling very quickly that the people are going to do what they are going to do. Sure you can pick a hotspot and perhaps make an arrest, but on the whole they are in charge. Seems pretty clear to me that when the "communty" wants to commit a bunch of murders, that's exactly what they'll do.
Time to blame the community.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seeing CPS is in contract negotiations and has a residency rule which is never enforced what is CPD position on ours and upcoming negotiations? Class action lawsuit for decrimanation??
Where do you come up with class action suit for discrimination ? CPD and CPS are totally different. You expect to sue because CPS doesn’t enforce a rule and CPD does?
"FOP Fires a Broadside"
That is pretty hard to do from the leaky canoe fop is trying to paddle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When is FOP gonna get duty availability pay for the police with less then 3 or 4 years on the job ? Why they gave that away was just wrong !!
6/17/2019 03:11:00 PM
That never should have been lost in the first place, but at this point it’s a lost cause. We can’t give it up in one contract and then give something up to get it back. Our union is a joke to begin with, and would only look worse by doing that. I’m sorry for the young guys that this happened to, and shame on those of you that voted to take money out of young officers pockets. Disgusting
6/17/2019 06:59:00 PM
They probably gave it away in exchange for a larger raise for all the officers. When you are negotiating a contract there is only so much money. You save here, you increase there. Given the choice the FOP probably decided to help the veterans and because the contract was already 2 or more years out of date so it wouldn’t really affect too many officers, only the new hires. Not saying it’s right but if they gave up something that everybody loses, the veterans would say screw the new hires.
Of course, allowed to retire, no charges or a very slow process. But remember civilians are shitheads or low mental voters.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cop-sex-assault-transgender-woman-20190606-story.html
6/17/2019 05:15:00 AM
Supposedly last year he submitted the paperwork to retire in April 2019. He most probably retired in good standing, not under investigation, considering the complaint was not made until after he retired. And, he was probably issued a retired star and retired identification card.
6/17/2019 04:42:00 PM
Evidently you didn’t read the article. He was stripped on April 6 and retired a week later. How could you not be under investigation and and be stripped? You can’t be
Part of CPS demands is a no cooperation clause with the CPD and ICE.... can you believe this? Hey FOP time to address this and request that all officers are pulled out of all public schools.
Murray is a clown.
He’s in way, way over his head. Now we now that there are those amongst us on FOP like PAt Murray that will do anything to get ahead!!!!!
Pat Murray are you that heartless, ambitions and selfish ???
You remind me of the WTC that denies CU for my kids graduation
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Of course, allowed to retire, no charges or a very slow process. But remember civilians are shitheads or low mental voters.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-cop-sex-assault-transgender-woman-20190606-story.html
6/17/2019 05:15:00 AM
Allowed to retire? How can you be stopped from retiring?
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