How About "Fuck No"?
- If crime victims, witnesses and perpetrators can make immediate statements, Chicago police officers involved in shootings should be required to do the same, the head of the Civilian Office of Police Accountability said Friday.
COPA chief administrator Sydney Roberts wants to eliminate the waiting period written into the police contract that critics contend makes it “easy for officers to lie” by giving them 24 hours before providing a statement after a shooting.
Um, what the fuck is she talking about? Here's a newsflash dumbass - victims, witnesses and perpetrators DON'T HAVE TO MAKE STATEMENTS TO POLICE. EVER. Where the Hell are you getting your completely and utterly incorrect information?
- Fraternal Order of Police President Kevin Graham wants to do more than just retain the 24-hour waiting period — he wants to triple it to the 72 hours that federal agents are afforded after a shooting, on the grounds that “it takes you a while — especially when you’ve been in such a traumatic incident.”
On Friday, Roberts shot down the trauma argument. “When police do investigations, they are speaking to people who are traumatized. They are traumatized because they have been victimized. They may be traumatized because they witnessed something. They may be traumatized because they were the perpetrator,” she said.
“The trauma that the officer goes through . . . is no different than the trauma that other people go through. We still do those interviews. . . . If that is legitimate justification to bar an interview, it should apply across the board.”
Wow. You know why the FBI grants 72-hours? It based on actual scientific studies. And again, victims, witnesses and perpetrators DON'T HAVE TO MAKE STATEMENTS TO POLICE. EVER. They have far more protections that cops do, and more avenues to seek redress should it be determined their Rights are violated.
- Mayor Lori Lightfoot is a former Police Board president. She co-chaired the Task Force on Police Accountability that demanded changes to a police contract that, it claimed, “codifies the code of silence” that former Mayor Rahm Emanuel famously acknowledged exists at the Chicago Police Department.
And once again, we demand that these assorted assholes point out the specific Contractual language that "codified" any so-called "Code." They can't because it doesn't exist. It's a political phrase made up to demonize something the politicians don't like. They promise their voters something that can't be defined and expect the cops to give up established protections based on their false premises.
- The City Council’s Black Caucus has threatened to hold up ratification of any police contract that continues to give officers 24 hours before providing a statement after a shooting. The Caucus has also taken aim at anonymous complaints and the portion of the police contract that allows officers to change statements after reviewing video.
Graham is adamantly opposed to allowing anonymous complaints on grounds that there needs to be a way to “establish that people are not just trying to get police officers off the beat so crime can flourish. . . . If these allegations are true, put your name to it.”
We don't think the caucus has the votes by themselves to hold up diddly-shit, but arbitration is our friend in that case. Seventy-two hours isn't twenty-four, so we'll agree to that. What makes the local politicians think they're better than the federal standards?
As for baseless accusations, they mean so much more than the Constitutional Right to confront your accusers in a public Court of Law.....and sue them for slander when the bullshit is exposed as bullshit. These people (or folks) are morons.
As for baseless accusations, they mean so much more than the Constitutional Right to confront your accusers in a public Court of Law.....and sue them for slander when the bullshit is exposed as bullshit. These people (or folks) are morons.
- Roberts strongly disagreed, citing the “chilling effect” that the demand for sworn complaints has on victims of police wrongdoing. She also wants to eliminate that portion of the police contract that, she claims, ties the hands of COPA investigators. “There’s a restraint on how COPA investigators can investigate. That needs to be lifted. We should not have any investigative restraints on who can ask questions and when,” she said.
What's "chilling" about discovering the truth? And these so-called "restraints" are rules to protect all parties involved, including taxpayers from overzealous COPA investigators who have been proven, time and again, to have manufactured evidence, coerced statements and outright lied in the Courts.
The article goes on for a while more. It's complete bullshit and ought to be treated as such. There is a target on your back - and your front. No one has our best interests at heart. Remember that.
The article goes on for a while more. It's complete bullshit and ought to be treated as such. There is a target on your back - and your front. No one has our best interests at heart. Remember that.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
126 Comments:
Obviously they don’t value their Police Officers! Actually they hate their Police Officers!
Automatons cannot reason. Therefore cops follow our Lord's Law first and leave the consequences to Him.
Automatons are in rebellion constantly want to change what is right and just. Great cops are very much appreciated!
"No one has our best interests at heart. Remember that."
Who is it here that always says, "Police like you have no friends"?
(S)He's right.
rb
Some police chief in Texas was going through this cooling off period debate about 2 years. Said "F it, I'll just give them Miranda rigjts".
Haven't heard back on that.
If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, and you have video camera that takes 20-something pictures every second, why do they need my statement at all?
Just watch the video. It will tell you EVERYTHING.
I always try to remind officers on shooting scenes how they dont look so good and should go to a hospital right away to get checked out and to not have any visitors until they feel up to it and are better.
Takeaway : 1.) copa (like Groot) attempting to negotiate our contract in the media; screw them both.
2.) copa is of course failing to fulfill their intended purpose , to hang coppers any way they can, so they want to move the goalposts. Our self-preservation will surely be their ruin. Keep up the good work officers.
And somewhere in 011 tonight there will be a car chase for something stupid. Because the boss has your back, right boys?!!
Does anyone recommend the job still?
Keep playing police.
Not a cop. This is a total joke. Why should a citizen who happens to be a police officer who actually protects us have less than the rights afforded every citizen ? These nitwits have no idea what stress is after a shooting . How is it that a political appointee can try and dictate matters that they have no clue about ? Their agenda is not the safety of the honest citizens.
“The trauma that the officer goes through . . . is no different than the trauma that other people go through. We still do those interviews. . . . If that is legitimate justification to bar an interview, it should apply across the board.”
You're absolutely right!
When Homie says to the Detective "I aint sayin shit", we should be afforded the same right to sat that to you.
Code of silence? When can I sit in front of anybody and not say anything? When exactly?
Sweet, my statement shall be just as theirs, "I di'int see or do nuffins."
She was with the Illinois Secretary of State Police......’nuff said!
Can we just go to arbitration already? It’s inevitable anyway.
Shut it down. Let the city burn. Find a hole, stay there. This is the city they want, give it to them. Oh, by the way, Sydney, perpetrators have the right to remain silent, and witnesses are not required nor can they be forced to give a statement in Chicago, ever. Another ignorant politically appointed moron, who has no comprehension of the law or reality. But the media keeps lapping it up and spewing it out. There is a reason why Illinois is the worst run state in the US. This is one of them. I can't wait to leave this toilet and watch it burn from afar.
Why do they need to talk to you immediately?
Won't they have your body cameras to tell them what happened?
Stand firm. I hope you will anyone in a self defense shooting a similar consideration.
Don't be a dumbass. Let in burn. Go home to your family.
With Love,
A deceased coppers kid and an underpaid private school teacher who wouldn't sell his soul.
"If that is legitimate justification to bar an interview, it should apply across the board.”
and as a cop I agree 100%... let's apply it across the board and if you think any cop gives a shit about when some mutt can we interviewed concerning some other mutt being shot in today's anti-police climate, you are beyond help.
They can concoct whatever kind of crapola they want to put into a contract - but considering that they wiggle around complying with their side of the contract, turn about is fair play eh?
Just don't answer the phone, text, email, or door for 72 hours when they come 'a knockin... Since you can reasonably assume that everything you say will be used to jam you up, remain silent.
This lady is a moron. Time and time again, after I've re-read case and arrest reports days, or even weeks and months after the incident, I recognize ways I could've written it better, because I remember them more clearly. And those aren't always even traumatic incidents. I mean, when I was younger and prior to being on the job, I can remember being involved in a car accident and days later wanting to recontact the police because I remembered more information. It's pretty evident that your memory gets clearer over time, but this lady is obviously just a complete idiot. And a police hater.
Another spineless goof who got her degree from the cracker jack university, probably all paid for with taxes collected from police officers and their families.
Any member of the Chicago Police Department who for a moment believes that the New City Government is their "Friend" or "Ally" needs to read what has been said by Ms/Mr Sydney Roberts, the Head of COPA. It seems that she sees No Difference between the Trauma of a victim, offender or cop. This person, is beyond being a Political Hack; this person is a Hateful Anti-Police Bigot, who clearly believes that THE POLICE ARE THE PROBLEM. UNDERSTAND CLEARLY: THE POLICE ARE NEITHER THE "PROBLEM", NOR ARE THEY THE SOLUTION. HOWEVER, IT IS QUITE APPARENT, THAT UNDER THE MINDSET OF SOCIAL JUSTICE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE VICTIMS AND FALL GUYS FOR FAILED POLICY AND INCOMPETENCE BY THE FREAK SHOW THAT HAS TAKEN OVER CITY GOVERNMENT. Be Very Careful. Baby "G"
“Where do these morons spawn”, you ask?
Refer to my (hopefully approved) submission in the thread above this one.
THAT is where these morons spawn.
I can't wait to retire and leave Chicago forever!
I hate this fucking city!
Sad to say after living here all my life and the animals have taken a once great city over!
Real easy, "Don't shoot anyone," leave the bullet's out of your gun, fuck these libtards!
To the geniuses who continually rant, "let it burn...", burn your own fucking house down, but leave mine alone. I still live in this city, for reasons that are none of your business. When the 'community' is done burning the south and west sides, do you think they will stop there? As hellish as this city has become, thanks to 100 years of democratic rule, we all still have a vested interest in keeping at least some parts of it livable. Be better.
Fraternal Order of Police President Kevin Graham wants to do more than just retain the 24-hour waiting period — he wants to triple it to the 72 hours that federal agents are afforded after a shooting, on the grounds that “it takes you a while — especially when you’ve been in such a traumatic incident.”
The rumor of the day is that it takes 72 hours for the delicate mind of a Feeb to formulate a narrative...
YES!!!Please stand strong on this officers and union,If it's good for the feds it's good for us! Remember the consent decree..
Anonymous said...
Does anyone recommend the job still?
7/21/2019 12:50:00 AM
Yes, get on , get inside and get out, next question...
Anonymous said...
"No one has our best interests at heart. Remember that."
Who is it here that always says, "Police like you have no friends"?
(S)He's right.
rb
7/21/2019 12:26:00 AM
If the author of those posts is a woman then I'll propose marriage now!
Yeah COPA is all about the rules. I had to give a statement recently about an incident almost 4 years old! So they want immediate statements now but waited almost 4 yrs to take mine....yeah right. Then the best part about it is they give you a copy of the statement on CD....what are the chances all copies do not work? Coincidence? I think not....as you said SCC time and again these investigators and the supervisors at COPA/IPRA/OPS violate the rules in place. And don't forget when COPA came along they told everyone around they wanted to have at least a 10% sustained rate on their investigations. That to me is a quota and when most CR numbers are bullshit, they need more ways to have CRs initiated to keep up with the 10%. They lie, they cheat, and they don't follow where the evidence takes them.
She was with the Illinois Secretary of State Police? Stick to license plates lady.
Ann Coulter explains the "In prison for one joint" liberal bullshit
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2019-07-17.html#read_more
Once again, WHY ARE WE NOT IN ARBITRATION??
What is the Union waiting for?
Just remember, coppers, if a 6foot four, 240 lb man demands you call him her, it's now policy you do so....and make sure you detain him/her accordingly which should make for a lot of fun for the jailers. Ah, the priorities of progressive big cities.
12:50AM you sound like lazy police man. You wear camera and it does not lie. My Lt. has our backs and we get ISRs and blue cards every night. Respond to every call. He is going to recommend me for meritorious detective next time. They know who lazy ones are and will never get promoted.
Oh yes,
Just another reason we should file a motion to lift residency.
I don’t even want to live in the same city as these people.
The Mayor is waiving that requirement for her staff like she is holding a magic wand.!
Time for the FOP to fight for our rights as human beings....
It’s time
Why is the group allowed to be called Black Caucus?? That is a racial statement.. Could you imagine if we tried to call our selves the White caucus?? It seems that if a certain group says certain things that's ok, but if the other group says certain things than it is racist!!! What a joke.... Look at how this specific group is always calling for diversity, but they are the ones calling certain functions by black only names and titles seems they like to stir the pot...
WOW.
Just fucking wow.
I frequently make the observation that just when you think they’ve reached max stupid, liberals find a way to turn it up to 11.
This bitch actually got to 12.
Syndey gets to make political decisions now? Hey you're given the cards your dealt, you weren't elected to anything, Sir.
Civilian here.
"Let it burn?"
Sorry, don't buy that narrative. We all live in this city and we are all suffering because of this lawlessness. it's well pass the time that we fight for this city. How? First off, police should provide and support candidates for mayor and alderman that believe in law and order as well as quality of life. Look at the choices we had during the last mayoral election. How can the mayor of this city, or any city, announce that the city's police department will not cooperate with a a lawful federal judicial order? If elected officials have contempt for the law, is it any wonder that their constituents do the same?
Second, for far too long, the progressives' agenda has been championed by the media. We need to find people who can articulate the law and order agenda in the media using logic and reason. Those folks are out there. Has the FOP ever invited former Milwaukee police chief David Clarke to address it's membership?
Third, encourage federal law enforcement to get involved here. If our state and local officials, together with the State's Attorney, are unwilling to enforce the law, especially when it comes to gun crimes, perhaps using the federal courts will help. Couldn't hurt.
Ladies and gentlemen, have no illusions, we are involved in a social and cultural war that we can't afford to lose.
If crime victims, witnesses and perpetrators can make immediate statements, Chicago police officers involved in shootings should be required to do the same, the head of the Civilian Office of Police Accountability said Friday.
Oh, Lord. THIS is who is investigating us??
Newsflash you idiot: Cops want a description right away because the offender may be at large and we want to catch him!!
She was an ignorant piece of shit when she was at SOS Police, and she's a bigger pile of shit here . . .
Well since we’re under a federal consent decree we should do what the feds do right? They are the benchmark for excellence and what everyone looks up to?
"No one has our best interests at heart. Remember that."
Who is it here that always says, "Police like you have no friends"?
(S)He's right.
rb
7/21/2019 12:26:00 AM
I don’t know who it is, but I always skim past their ten paragraph diatribes and see “Police Like You Have No Friends”.
Is this still the case?
https://fop7blog.org/news/2018/11/1/state-board-rejects-copa-investigators
State Board Rejects COPA Investigators
November 01, 2018
Opinion Bolsters FOP Claim That COPA Cannot Investigate Fatal Shootings
The Executive Director of the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board (ILETSB) has asserted in a recent letter that Chicago’s police oversight body is not legally qualified to investigate police-related homicides.
All part of the master plan of these would be bolshevik ass holes. In Marxist circles, the stage called “destabilization” is done, being the second of a four-part process to subvert a society and seize control. The first, third and fourth stages are, respectively, “demoralization,” “crisis” and “normalization.” It seems to be the "crisis" stage is nearly upon us. we are clearly demoralized, and destabilized. We simply cannot let these bastards get away with this. when the shit hits the fan over "spygate" the demorat party won't be able to look voters in the eye. That will be the time to go all out for the republican party with any kind of help anyone can offer. Our money and voices and endorsement and participation by volunteering. The same shit the bolsheviks have been doing for far too long. That, or civil war.
studies show that an officer needs two complete sleep cycles to recover from that traumatic event before making an official statement! COPA this!
“On Friday, Roberts shot down the trauma argument. “When police do investigations, they are speaking to people who are traumatized. They are traumatized because they have been victimized. They may be traumatized because they witnessed something. They may be traumatized because they were the perpetrator,” she said.“
This woman is an idiot. First responders are professionals who restore order to chaos. We’re not part of the problem like Ms. Roberts so desperately wants to believe. Female substance abuse counselor of two decades here who has sat through many seminars on burn-out. The biggest challenge for Social Service workers is documentation. Case notes and procrastination. Why? Because when we write up our case notes we have to re-live the trauma of the stories. People can roll their eyes all they want when they hear that, but client after client, day after day, year after year, lie upon lie upon lie. Dealing with people either so evil the hair on the back of your neck stands up when you hear their diabolical thinking, or so broken by shit that has happened to them that you could never imagine in your wildest dreams, it becomes difficult to believe anyone is legit anymore. It changes you. You start thinking everyone has an agenda or an angle. You bring it home. Your kids complain that you’re interrogating them and you have to correct yourself. It takes it’s toll. We see it all up close and personal because we’re the first line of defense before treatment, so we NEED that space, time and distance to collect our thoughts before putting pen to paper after we work with someone. Fortunately, we’re aware of the hazards of our profession, and we have tools to combat those work-related stressors to stay emotionally healthy. But that takes a conscious effort because, and take it from someone who knows, evil is an infection that spreads to everything it touches. As first responders witnessing crime and its aftermath, I imagine police officers experience the same horrific scenarios that I do. So thank you for what you do, and the sacrifices you make to serve and protect.
Just wait a doggone minute here. You mean to tell me that she was with the Secretary of State Police? What person in their right mind would equate the SOS Police with a real Police Department? She might as well say she was with Andy Frain then. What's the difference between the two. Nothing. The SOS Police is just another political hack group of Police wannabes in which a phone call will get you hired and promoted. I know because I was offered the answers to their test years ago and could have been hired there. Instead I did the right thing and went into a different field. I hated to do that because I always wanted to be a cop but the money wasn't there compared to what my current field was offering.
How about saying I don't remember a thing I am in shock. Check out my camera. Or I plead the 5th now get me a lawyer.
Perhaps a statement to the effect, "For now refer to the camera video as I don't want to make a statement in my present condition under stress and duress that would in any way contradict the video accidentally or implied."
Same trauma? Yea maybe if it was just one incident but cops have CTSD, Continuous Traumatic Stress Disorder.
That The Police and the FOP refuse to concede the right
to due process, collectively bargained procedural rights
and yes even constitutional rights, this is the "obstruction"
Lightfoot whines to the media about.
A bit more fiber and actually chewing her food might help...
That proactive Policing has gone away (for the most part)
here in Chicago, the SJW and Community Member haters employed
at COPA are vexed over not being able to fulfill their mandate
of a Policeman lynched from every lamp post as a sign of
"Community Justice" and "Reform & Accountability."
Translation:
"How DARE you RACIST Cops sit on your hands and stop being
proactive to selfishly protect yourselves from the community
and US!"
And yes... The misdirected COPA children are full of angst
because they're bored.
"We thought y'all was gonna keep gettin' in trouble an'
we wuz gonna have lots of fun gettin' our revenge by
gettin' you Mt. Greenwood and Edison Park, conservative
echo-chamber dwelling RACISTS fired and put in prison
for what Jon Burge got away with!"
Heh...
Dry, unsexy, non-cotroversial, avoidance and evasion based,
strictly-by-the-numbers, lawful minimum, respond/drop paper/
whistle for a wash-down/call for the body snatchers and retreat,
no voluntary interaction, staying out of peoples an' folkses
bidness P O L I C I N G - IS driving these m/fers to foaming
at the mouth/chewing their tongues like the hateful rabid dogs
they are while they desperately attempt to keep moving the
administrative, contractual and legal goalposts in the name of
"Community Justice" and "Reform & Accountability" to deliberately
keep Policemen on the slippery slope.
That the local anal-whoring, reeking and leaking media is a
complicit partner in this, is an additional source of concern.
If The Police continue to have church under increasingly
smaller bushel baskets, somebody might stray from the script
and actually start paying heed to the outrages of Dude Inc.
and publicly posit that perhaps The Police are not the problem.
These creatures are so desperate to cook Policemen in the
"oversight" jackpot that a new stratagem has taken hold by
which they now are using "condition of continuing employment/
bringing discredit onto your employer" as a device to curtail
The Policeman's free speech.
Funny... Nobody is interested in monitoring Dude Inc. blog sites
for mean, nasty, unhelpful, "counter-productive to our
organizational and civic goals" content.
Whoops!
Can't have THAT happening in this Liberal & Progressive
powered Democratic Urban Center slave plantation where
rule of law is flouted and the ideals of public peace,
public order and public safety have been subverted for
a flawed and patently false narration.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Harden your hearts toward THEM ans they have hardened
their hearts toward YOU, YOUR FAMILIES and upright,
law abiding society because YOU and society represent
part of the something good that will ALWAYS elude THEIR
grasp no matter how they reach for it.
And that it eludes THEIR grasp, it's everybody else's
fault and they are actively aligned with others in
attempting to destroy it and make it over into what
THEY, in all their flawed reasoning think it should be.
Never forget how they do hate and revile YOU and yours
because YOU and yours are NOT them and do not embrace
that which they do.
Protect Yourselves From THEM!
Look.
point & Laugh.
Leave.
She also said her people are better trained investigators than the homicide dicks
There is actual real research that it takes 2 sleeps to process a traumatic event. We are not superhuman, we are people. This is a horrible time to be the police and I encourage everyone to think twice before performing any proactive police work in these trying times. Crucifying the police makes for ‘good’ journalism these days and they Monday morning quarterback any decision we make under duress for years to come. Answer your calls.
The real reason they want the officer's report immediately after a shooting is because they know it will be jumbled mess.
Easier to make the officer look bad in court. Easier to wring money out of the city in lawsuits.
If the City weren't in bed with the cop-hating lawyers they would realize that it is in the City's best financial interest to get the best possible statement from the police.
Arbitrator will decide.
Wasn’t it determined that COPA investigators did not have the legal qualification to officially investigate ANYONE?
I think it came from Springfield.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I always try to remind officers on shooting scenes how they dont look so good and should go to a hospital right away to get checked out and to not have any visitors until they feel up to it and are better.
7/21/2019 12:35:00 AM
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They have just been through a traumatic event. How is their heart doing?
Did they get hit in the head? Traumatic brain injury is nothing to take lightly.
Get yourself checked out. Get that alcohol and drug test documented.
Maybe the FOP needs a spiritual advisor with a law background that can minister to you in the hospital?
These people are pure haters. Flamethrowers that want to burn all those racist cops. Our version of the “squad”.
All goose eggs at check off until we get better treatment: 72 hr clause, 5% raise,and lift the illegal residency req. To all you 2 year wonder reverse seniority tac and units, listen to our history for the past 10 years, you will be thrown under a mega bus.
I would like COPA to not hide evidence. That would be pretty nice.
COPA Cover-up?
July 08, 2019
FOP Attorneys Argue City’s Own Expert Ruled Rialmo Shooting Justified
Attorneys for the FOP alleged Monday that the city’s police oversight agency, COPA, deliberately hid the opinion of their own expert exonerating a police officer for a fatal police shooting.
https://fop7blog.org/news/2019/7/8/copa-cover-up
Stay fetal my friends
The city created this mess. I find it ironic the city now wants greater enforcement action.
.
"Some police chief in Texas was going through this cooling off period debate about 2 years. Said "F it, I'll just give them Miranda rigjts".
Actually, when involved in a police shooting nowadays
the officer is a suspect and should be given the Miranda warnings.
So rude how they cut marty off but let these savages dribble on..so obvious they hate cpd
SCC, this was great! She proved with every word out of her mouth that she was So Far Promoted above grade/position, as ignorant to the issues as one could be, and Blatantly Against The Police here in Chicago.
Imagine being 23 to 25 and you were called upon to do something no one wants to do. Use Deadly Force on another. Now someone with ZERO Experience in the Field wants to “Sound off” about something they never did or will do. After that give judgement too?!
Please
Let her continue to extract her foot from her Unbelievably Ignorant Yapper.
The FOP should try and get her bounced for lack of basic Human Empathy.
Definitely change the time frame from 24 to 72 hours .
All law enforcers should have same guidelines as the Feds
Racist politicians,activists ,Independent copa haha want to violate rights of CPD
Will city have to pay 1 1/2 pay to all Tactical Officers , hours changed more than two hours .
Again , this is being done to protect gangs ,drug users that do not obey any laws , many on welfare.
In parks at 0300 , not many normal working people are out in a park , at the beach .
So again the tax payer is losing police protection to protect the uncivilized society in chitroit
Will DC TL save CPD $$$ by replacing captain inspectors with Sergeants?
What a waste of tax dollars , job could be manned by civilian inspectors for half the salary .
Anonymous said...
I can't wait to leave this toilet and watch it burn from afar.
7/21/2019 02:11:00 AM
That is what I am doing right now and "I'm LOVIN" it".................
What happened with the revelation that COPA cannot legally investigate the police?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can we just go to arbitration already? It’s inevitable anyway.
7/21/2019 01:27:00 AM
NO!! It’s a process to get there. You don’t just say let’s go to arbitration
Should be no discussion here. If the FBI gets 72 hours, so should the CPD. There should be no double standard
The unfortunate conclusion is that FOP may balk but ultimately, house rules always wins.
It’s all about base support and following a national trend to de-police.
COPA is not a legitimate, trust worthy and reliable agency.
A criminal investigation is just what it is and should not include non-LEO civilian snoopers to tamper with the investigation or the evidence, as they already likely withhold plenty from these cases. There likely isn’t any cross agency cooperation or sharing of information. But they sure have free access to our side. We just don’t know what COPA might be sharing with private entities once they have the files. It takes a disgruntled employee to disclose their biased inner workings.
COPA is a vital tool for the anti-police social justice pioneer LightLoafer and she will depend on them to further the 21st Century agenda.
Bullshit’n PeaceFrog Loafers is trying to build her case to eliminate the Contract all disciplinary protections, not reform/restructure them - eliminate them. The Black Council Cacklers already have stated they will uphold any Contract that doesn’t include a LightLoafer reform she promised.
Sounds like obstruction and some blackmail of a due process.
COPA justs want to get their clearance numbers up and have every opportunity to trip someone up.
They are allowed to have far too much snooping powers and this nutsack of a administrative chief Snidely Roberts is only spouting bullshit for LightLoafer. SEIU SlumTimes is giving her a voice to offset Jugghaid’s recent mansplaining myths of CookCo affordable bonds.
FOP needs to keep highlighting all the problems and failures of City Hall and Cook County and they’re contributions to the lawlessness including a no confidence measure against the incompetent flip-flopping community activist Jugghaid SpecialEd.
I can’t see why the frig’ anyone going out there day after day, night after night doing anything to bring in Merit Boss numbers.
Suckers falling for the now worthless colonial LEO code of ethics in the age of 21st Century Task Farce Policing needs to wake up.
Mr. Roberts, a lecture my barber gave his former wayward son
about doing drugs, being arrested, in and out of jail:
They are going to tell you when to go to bed, when to get up,
When to piss, when you can shit, when to eat. You'll live in a box
with a fucking stranger. You could be beaten to death.
So Mr. Roberts, if people not yet convicted are treated like this,
Don't rush a cop to give a statement in the heat of the moment,
Otherwise your system of justice could turn around and bite you
in the ass. It could be a DUI. It could be a domestic. You never
know, Mr. Roberts.
(BTW, the wayward son died of a heroin od. They found him in
the basement curled up in a fetal position on the floor, holding
a rosary.)
Roberts, if you don't like it here, go back to where you
came from, before you got mobbed up with COPA.
There's brown stains every time we change your Depends,
so don't give us this shit you are freshly washed.
Time for a class action lawsuit based on media, activist, academician and politician libel-against-police instigated PTSD.
There is no other cohort subjected to the pressures imposed on police. Much lower bars to class action have been surmounted for other groups.
There's gotta be a trial lawyer somewhere...
Sydney Roberts another slick talking pandering Community activist assigned to bring in "heads". A pleasant looking and portly woman with lots of clout, getting plumb and clinically clean jobs, clearly disguised as law enforcement at the political level (not the street level - Maywood IAD - you apparently missed a lot of things). She uses all the same Community terms the media loves to hear (e.g., transparency, trust, accountability). More buffoonery for your audience.
You and the Murder Mayor aren't fooling anyone. The COPA "Head Hunters" have got to show "heads" on platters. Selected heads, not the one's with clout that shoot handicapped kids, bosses involved in 100+ mph out of state car with Indiana State Police, or Commanders misusing and bullying Police Officers into babysitting duties for them on tax payer time. That's Chicago style Police leadership under Special Ed.
Hey Sydney when Bosses "heads" are on public display their may be a modicum of belief in you and COPA. All you single out for punitive actions are Police Officers and a SGT or two. NO BOSSES. They have MERIT Promotions and CLOUT. The Machine clouted untouchables. You know all about clout, that's why you are COPA. Loose the weight, drop the glasses and stop saying "sure" all the time.
If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, and you have video camera that takes 20-something pictures every second, why do they need my statement at all? Just watch the video. It will tell you EVERYTHING.
They want to put you in a perjury TRAP If you say one little thing different they say you are lying. False reports fired.
With all that said. Coppers who know more than EVERYONE will NOT turn on body cam. Will NOT call FOP for an atty until after they have made stupid comments. Go on Witness Statements WITHOUT an atty and answer God only knows how many questions about their co workers actions or in actions. THINK before you do shit like this. Do not make it easy for these souless creatures who want to, and will take your job, your house and your freedom. Wake up people.
Just say I'm feeling faint,I don't remember
“If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, and you have video camera that takes 20-something pictures every second, why do they need my statement at all?
Just watch the video. It will tell you EVERYTHING.”
Rookie!!!!!
Does the Black Caucus realize they will be hurting Black Officers too?
Keep voting NO do not give up the protections we will never get them back!
Uh, does anybody on COPA know about “Miranda”?
Witnesses cannot be forced to answer question - immediately or in 24 or 72 hours. We can ASK questions immediately (before their memory gets “contaminated”) but we can’t compel answers.
Anybody “involved” in a shooting should have their Miranda rights read to them, and even if they don’t, they STILL have the right to refuse to answer questions. As I see it, the agreement to be questioned after 24 hours is a compromise between the officers’ right to not answer questions (ever!) and the Department’s interest in getting information about the shooting in a timely fashion.
As I understand it, an officer can refuse to answer questions even after 24 hours - they’ll just be putting their job at risk. Considering what has happened lately to officers who were involved in “good” shootings, I’d say that your job is the LEAST of the things at risk.
Counterproposal - IAD can ask questions right after the shooting and we’ll give the answer we usually get in “the community”: “I di’nt see nothing”,
Now you see why Lorenzo Davis and more soon to follow have or is about to sue COPA. COPA should be barred from during investigations and discipline implementation. They should outsource and contract those functions to impartial, non biased, preferably out of state investigators or law firms. COPA should be a record keeping administrative office only.
Sydney Roberts is way in over her head. You can thank Alderman Jason Ervin for bringing her to COPA from the inept Secretary of State Police and the corrupt Maywood Police Department where she was a police chief and Ervin the unpunished owner of a drug house.
What's curious is, COPA is reopening and reinvestigating old closed out CR#'s to jam coppers, but are not investigating or disciplining bad investigators. Nor are they reopening sustained CRs which initially should have been not sustained, unfounded or exonerated. Why is that?
Back in the 70’s, when round guns were standard; there was a problem with ineffective department issued ammo. Officers would then substitute magnum rounds (un-approved) and a variety of homemade reloads. Supt. Rochford then approved the change to the same ammo the FBI used. Problem solved
No more call back.suspended without pay will be the norm,until the case is adjudicated .Lori was under the impression that callback was for civilian oemc employees.total house cleaning at callback.no more police.building to be sold.is callback in the contract?
Meanwhile, they're soliciting public comments before finalizing and implementing the New weapon pointing policy.
https://home.chicagopolice.org/firearm-pointing-incidents-policy/
Just remember to take care of yourselves after a shooting incident i.e. go to the hospital and get checked out. Such incidents put a great strain on ones heart and nervous system. It is very common to have chest pains. Let the Docs admit you for 24 hr observation and, if need be, give you a sedative. Don't be the hero who is going to tough it out. You may just find yourself toughing it out at Callback or in a no pay status.
That being said, the fact that no one has our best interest in mind is always forefront in my mind. That is why I refuse to work any OT, Special, VRI, CHA, or any other of their BS. F um, if everyone did as I do, the city would be bending over backwards to kiss our asses. I'd rather tighten my belt and live within my means and go without on somethings then sell my soul for a few extra dollars.
SCC you’re missing a big point. COPA investigators are supposed to be neutral. Let the evidence and facts lead you to a conclusion. This hater obviously doesn’t act as a neutral investigator. COPA is tasked to be unbiased in their investigations. I guess this lady learned this hatred from Lori because Lori has been biased against the police for the past 18 years. FOP wake up. We’re being judged by psychopaths with political agendas.
It all boils down to she started defending "low risk" offenders as one of her first jobs. Fuck da police from jump start.
If I get into a shooting, I'm falling out. "Yea hear that Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you honey."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdi-1tIUhM
Witnesses have to talk to police? Is that a joke?
As a person who investigates Police shootings, it’s simple. If they manage to get ride of the waiting period, I advise every Officer to request an attorney. They can’t penalize you even if giving a direct order. No matter how good the shooting is, There is a potential for criminal charges. LAWYER.
Always request to go the hospital, Your under stress, possible shock. We would never take a stamens from someone who is under a Dr s care or medicated
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If a picture is worth a 1,000 words, and you have video camera that takes 20-something pictures every second, why do they need my statement at all? Just watch the video. It will tell you EVERYTHING.
They want to put you in a perjury TRAP If you say one little thing different they say you are lying. False reports fired.
7/21/2019 01:31:00 PM
Problem is civilians judging the CPD have no idea of the policies and how they work. Between VanDyke and the 3 other officers trial so much emphasis was placed on one word like assailant, who was the offender and victim and how could officers be victim. That is how it’s done in these types of cases and that’s why there are supplemental and detective reports.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I can't wait to leave this toilet and watch it burn from afar.
7/21/2019 02:11:00 AM
That is what I am doing right now and "I'm LOVIN" it".................
7/21/2019 11:58:00 AM
Just the mental image of a toilet filled-to-the-rim
with congealed, fermenting and flaming shit, sums up
Chicago perfectly...
Your awards, good intentions and prior good work doesn't mean shit. You will not be given the benefit of the doubt. They will screw you every time.
POLICE AT YOUR OWN RISK
...but best if you didn't at all
RESPONDING TO IN-PROGRESS CALLS PROTOCOL BELOW.
1. Blue lights and sirens, SIRENS are a must, offender must hear the sirens and leave the scene before your arrival. I kill the sirens in front of the address. I then slowly step out the car and do my “investigation.” (I do some great acting for the BWC).
2. I always make sure to inform the public my camera is recording. Kid on my watch was SPARRED for it. So fuck em’ policy over life it is. Don’t worry about people bleeding out or dying. Camera notification is paramount.
3. Stop at all stop signs. Drive slow.
I work for decent Sergeants. Can’t say the same for Lie-tenants. You’re on your own. Learn to swim or drown.
Roberts is a joke. She was Director of Secretary of State Police. She has a huge chip on her shoulder. I feel for CPD.
Cameras record all audio and video when on.
I repeat: ALL AUDIO and VIDEO when on.
So, after any incident, please remember to WATCH YOUR WORDS as well as your actions.
And if a violent or traumatic incident, SHUT THE PHUCK UP- ALL of you on scene.
If directly involved in same, get proper treatment at a hospital......remain calm.....and take care of yourself first.
I would just like 5 fast fast facts about Sydney Roberts
so I can write a comedy cut up act about him.
Listeners, readers, give me your Roberts dirt.
Thank you so very much.
Libtards is another word for stupid idiots.
File lawsuits against Sydney Roberts jam her up!
Anonymous said...
Why is the group allowed to be called Black Caucus?? That is a racial statement.. Could you imagine if we tried to call our selves the White caucus?? It seems that if a certain group says certain things that's ok, but if the other group says certain things than it is racist!!! What a joke.... Look at how this specific group is always calling for diversity, but they are the ones calling certain functions by black only names and titles seems they like to stir the pot...
7/21/2019 07:11:00 AM
Don't forget about the lack of diversity among their all black staff!
Job really went down the toilet !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it is on video, then what is there to “change”? You cannot change what is on the video, so why does it matter if an officer reviews it?
Yet the Illinois Sexual Assault Incident Procedures Act tells investigators that research shows that allowing a victim at least two sleep cycles can significantly improve their ability to recall the incident. This was one of Illinois General Assembly's findings!
I heard she had a traumatic incident when she was with the SOS police. A man had a stolen license plate in his hand and she forcibly removed it, cutting his thumb.cu
Oh The Humanity!
Went and looked up COPA chief administrator Sydney Roberts, image search, as it is nice to see stereotypes being wrong. But nope, just another tiresome example of a person who is using her hatred of cops as cover for her actual hatred of whites males in general. Kim Fox, Groot, Periwinkle , no different.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would just like 5 fast fast facts about Sydney Roberts
so I can write a comedy cut up act about him.
Listeners, readers, give me your Roberts dirt.
Thank you so very much.
Can see u r on top of it. Here’s some really new news. He is really a female
nonymous said...
As a person who investigates Police shootings, it’s simple. If they manage to get ride of the waiting period, I advise every Officer to request an attorney. They can’t penalize you even if giving a direct order. No matter how good the shooting is, There is a potential for criminal charges. LAWYER.
7/21/2019 06:42:00 PM
As a retired police officer who has concealed carry insurance, my carrier advised me on what to say when I call 911 and what to say to responding officers. Tell the gold stars the very basics( I shot him because he was armed and I was in fear of my life"), but then say that you want to consult with your attorney before you answer anything further.The FOP might have to have attorneys ready to respond to all police involved shootings.It looks like things might be getting worse for the working cops( as if they could).
COPA wants to enshrine the "Perjury Trap"
in all possible iterations as the administrative
default purpose built to preclude any chance of a win
for Policemen unfortunate enough to be caught up and
being ground to administrative, career and legal hamburger
in the COPA rendering plant.
All for "Community Justice."
The city and country is going down the tubes because of the giant temper tantrum of the left because trump won. And he will again because of their new insanity. Chicago is falling apart and in unsafe but Lori has time to protect illegals and whine about trump because he called to 4 anti American pos Congressman( all one termers ) for what they are. If they hate America so much, they can go away. Omar makes light of the dead from 9/11. She also asked a judge to spare isis people. She is committing treason and should be treated as such. And dickhead Durbin is another failure. His state is falling apart and all he does is bitch about trump. These four are shameless garbage and the radical pro Arab CAIR wants to pass a federal law to stop hate speech by public officials. But the 4 pos can speak hate all the time about the president and Israel and dead 9/11 hero’s and it’s ok. People like racist Lori have made it clear that white people have no more rights. We are heading for revolution and it’s time these people be stopped.
Sydney Roberts let Jenkins's understudies run wild in Maywood!
copa investigates an unarmed black child shot by an off duty black merit sarge
no criminal charges , no protests by flakey and the crowd
not armed with a knife , not a fleeing felon , just a mentally challenged youth shot
no body cams , no 911 calls , no calls to 911 by the black sarge , he gonna handle the kid all by himself
was he really in his car and kid 20 feet away , maybe accidental discharge or was sarge scared
7/22/2019 01:40:00 PM
Excellent post! Well said.
You want a statement, fine, here it is, refer to BWC that recorded entire incident.
“The trauma that the officer goes through . . . is no different than the trauma that other people go through. We still do those interviews. . . . If that is legitimate justification to bar an interview, it should apply across the board.”
Sure, then exactly like civilians, police can't be disciplined, fired, sued, and criminally charged for the statements they give within 24 hours of a shooting. "It should apply across the board," right?
What I think is telling about COPA’s stance on the anonymous complaint issue is a fundamental lack of understanding that the Peace Officers Act requires Affidavits to proceed with any investigation. Someone cannot swear to the truth of a matter they have no knowledge of so anonymous complaints will dye because no one has sworn to their validity.
It would also be smart of the FOP and PBPA to start demanding proof of an Affidavit before every officer interview and challenging Overrides and Member on Member complaints as a violation of State Law.
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