Now, the Lawsuits
- The Chicago Police Board fired a sergeant and three officers Thursday night over the alleged cover-up of the murder of Laquan McDonald by a police officer.
The decision appeared to turn on infamous police dashboard camera video of the fatal shooting that contradicted the officers’ police reports.
The nine-member board found that the officers exaggerated the threat posed by the 17-year-old McDonald in order to justify the actions of Officer Jason Van Dyke in shooting the teen 16 times. McDonald was high on PCP when he refused police commands to drop a knife while walking away from officers on a Southwest Side street in October 2014.
The board voted unanimously to fire Officers Ricardo Viramontes and Janet Mondragon as well as Sgt. Stephen Franko for several rules violations, most importantly making false statements. All but one board member voted to fire Officer Daphne Sebastian as well for bringing discredit to the department and preventing the department from achieving its goals, though the board held that she did not make a false statement.
And the bosses (above sergeant) escape any culpability - even then-Chief of Patrol Special Ed.
Keep your ears open for any fundraisers to defray the costs of a lawsuit, one that will put Special Ed, McNaughton and Roy on the stand under oath. We will publicize them to the maximum of our ability.
Keep your ears open for any fundraisers to defray the costs of a lawsuit, one that will put Special Ed, McNaughton and Roy on the stand under oath. We will publicize them to the maximum of our ability.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
175 Comments:
Bastards.
Don't go down without a fight. Stay strong.
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
What a fukn tragedy!!! Watching these bosses squirm and stutter on the stand will be comical. I’m thoroughly disgusted with this city and every aspect of it. My heart goes out to all the officers. Fundraiser after fundraiser is needed quickly!!
Hopefully this illustrates to the aggressive, gungho coppers that police work will put you in prison, get you fired, destroy your family and life!
Policing is dead! Let the savages run wild!!!
Go to a nice suburban department and enjoy life. Or better yet, leave the profession altogether. The leftist liberals want anarchy and civil war!
It's a tragedy of epic proportions, but until mainstream society experiences it upfront and personally, things will NOT change!
Don't be the sacrificial martyr on the altar of Marxist ideology!
How many coppers must hang unjustifably???
SHAME ON YOU SPECIAL ED! What a scum move to fire those officers and the sergeant. You should be ashamed! You threw your officers under the bus. You’ve been promoted on their misfortunes. How can you sleep at night.
Signed,
SCC Reader/ Burb SGT
Those with CLOUT are laughing, they walked away unscathed, pension intact and lined up with nice lucrative gigs. The working UNCLOUTED got hungout to dry and run over by a tank!
The bosses have no less a responsibility to ensure actions by Department members comport to Department Orders/Policy and ordinances/laws when reviewing/investigating an incident before them. They are just as culpable for their lack of due diligence, as they would hold others to.
Ask anyone of those fired where the bosses and politicians are now. NOWHERE near them!
Don't let them use you and destroy you!
The bosses have no less a responsibility to ensure actions by Department members comport to Department Orders/Policy and ordinances/laws when reviewing/investigating an incident before them. They are just as culpable for their lack of due diligence, as they would hold others to.
wrongful termination.... I can't wait to see this law suit.
And the bosses slither away, McNaughton, O’Donnell, Roy, Supt Johnson, Rahm.
And guys/gals still don’t get it chasing cars all over 010-011. U guys wake the hell up- in a couple days another officer is going to be recommended for firing for a fatal police traffic stop attempt on a fellow officer who took off over 100 mph and guys are still doing shit!! Wake up answer ur calls for services and wave at the residents.
In the meantime, go out their, be aggressive, be proactive, be innovative and bring in some numbers for the boss. Do it for Ed and all the exempts. Do it for Groot. And most of all, do it for the grateful community. DON'T WORRY about CR numbers (a single one of which can now stunt or kill your career). Don't worry about being stripped and sent to languish in callback for months and years. Don't worry about; IAD investigations, COPA investigations by diehard police haters, the Police Board (hand picked by rahm and Groot), the police-hating City IG and his new police oversight, the Consent Decree Machine and their new leftist agenda and oversight, federal lawsuits, punitive damages, a media that is reflexively biased against the police and pandering to the "community", a states attorney who is desperately looking to prosecute police to help resurrect her dwindling hope of re-election, along with her police-hating county board president master, a sheriff who wants to keep his jail empty to pander to the "community" and avoid the headaches of actually doing his job, a chief judge who wants every offender on the street, a police-hating Illinois attorney general and a stooge-governor beholden to Madigan. Together We Can.
In 024 and probably elsewhere...days off cancelled for some to be sent to 011, 1800 - 200 on Saturday, while the tact team(we have 4 teams, with no power cars anymore) can stay in the district to display their blue jeans. What message does this send to the 3rd watch officers????? Volunteers and then Tact should be sent to fill these spots. Perhaps maybe our Commander will rethink this strategy. Just sayin
Please someone comment .... in all seriousness, I must have missed it but why wasn’t any of the brass called to testify by Van Dykes lawyer during his trial as to the shooting being ruled justified?
Need to wear shorts. I'm the same as a bike cop, very professional, just overheated.
So I guess ‘Refer to Detective Sup’ wasn’t on the report. I guess I’ll have to put per LT Something now. Still confused? If so wow a good law suit. I would personally include all board members and higher ups in the suit go for millions.
Unless you're retired or dont give a shit, watch your comments on social media. Dont give them a reason to go after you
Wow! As a Sgt approving a TRR in a police shooting all you’re really doing is making sure everything is in there. You’re not making a finding or anything. That’s for the street deputy. So for them to fire the Sgt who wasn’t even on scene and just made sure that the trr had all the info in there is atrocious. It’s disgusting. I’m so sorry for him. That could’ve been any Sgt on the department and they would’ve done the same thing this Sgt did. Just pass it along to the deputy. Just not right.
What a joke that police board is. Fired due to "exaggerating" the threat that McDonald posed??? Get the fk outta here. You stupid hacks. You dumb know nothing police board hacks. Why don't you go out to a crazy person call where the shithead is high on pcp with a knife. And then try to stop him, and determine what level threat he poses. You dont know what you are talking about because you were never the police.
There was no cover up. That piece of shit McDonald was a threat, I don't care what the outcome of that sham trial was. You dont drop a knife and you are high on pcp then you are a fucking threat. Everyone perceives things differently. Doesnt mean they lied. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Get ready for the lawsuit. This once great department has been destroyed by loser merit bosses that know nothing about real police work. The media is terrible. I used to have faith, now I say let it all burn. And it will. May cancer rear its ugly head right up your police board ass.
Democrats, Progressives and Communists; are all notorious for Staying on Point and Agenda. In the case of these Officers, the Agenda was maintaining the Illusion of a Blue Wall of Silence. For those of you who read this blog and are not police, Understand Clearly: Review and Approval of Reports does not end with a Sergeant, especially when the incident is an Officer Involved Shooting resulting in a fatality. EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE CHAIN OF COMMAND REVIEWED THE REPORTS AND VIDEO, WITHIN HOURS OF THE INCIDENT, INCLUDING THE MAYOR AND HIS POLICE LIAISON, AN ATTORNEY NAMED ROUNDTREE, WHO HAS SINCE LEFT THE SERVICE OF THE CITY. WHEN THE COURT FORCED THE RELEASE OF THE VIDEO, AT THAT NEWS CONFERENCE, A REPORTER ASKED RAHM IF HE HAD SEEN THE VIDEO, AND RAHM "SLYLY" ANSWERED: "I'LL SEE IT WHEN YOU SEE IT". In other words Rahm did not answer the question, and like all Chicago Media, the reporter did not have the Balls to ask: Is this the first time you are seeing the video? No cop should have supported the campaign of McCarthy, because Gary saw that video within hours of the incident, and he kept his job, and did not criticize VanDyke's actions. VanDyke was kept on the City payroll for more than a year after the incident; so if the Incident was in fact so evil, why was he not prosecuted immediately? Everyone in the Chain of Command, starting with Rahm, Roundtree and McCarthy should be made to testify when they first saw the video and why they did not take action at that time. This Police Board decision is a Political Lynching!The Police Board realizes that Appeals will be costly, and the FOP will probably not defend the officers, because at this point they are fired. Meanwhile, the Real Perpetrators of a Cover-Up walk free. Some with inflated Gold Braid Pensions, and others to high paying consulting jobs. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THE COVER-UP IS THE ONLY REASON RAHM GOT A SECOND TERM! The victims of this Police Board Decision, did not have the authority to cover-up this incident. WITHOUT QUESTION THERE WAS A COVER-UP, AND IT WAS OF THE VIDEO, BY THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICIALS OF THE CITY, TO GIVE RAHM A SECOND TERM AS MAYOR. Baby "G"
So, I have to ask this, now that they are fired, there’s no union connection, is their lawsuit on their own dime?
And Gene Roy (aka Gene Wah on Facebook) is now the director of security for a major hotel chain. Maybe the protesters should know which chain is employing this fool? The IG recommends his firing, but he’s allowed to stay on for several months to transition his replacement with no repercussions?
And Gene Roy (aka Gene Wah on Facebook) is now the director of security for a major hotel chain. Maybe the protesters should know which chain is employing this fool? The IG recommends his firing, but he’s allowed to stay on for several months to transition his replacement with no repercussions?
7/19/2019 03:27:00 AM
Its a very patriotic FB page that he put together.
You guys forget that Riccio was involved in this.
Exaggerated the threat? Maybe the responding officers should have left the scene and returned after he disemboweled somebody.
This has been a comedy of errors!
When this incident first went down the Department secured reports and statements from anyone that was there!
Even if these officers did not see anything? There was a report. This is normal in any shooting!
After the original finding of a justified shooting by Detectives and IPRA and one year went by the Mayor was re-elected.
So with the heat after release of the video, And the review by the IG and new COPA unit?
The evidence has been manipulated again. All for political purposes!
Since there is no reliability in the original investigation can you trust the re-investigation due to politics?
Can any officer trust what he enters on a report? Can a detective trust and use what is written in any report?
With the conviction of VanDyke,
The acquittal of three other officers in criminal court for making false reports!
Now the termination of officers for false reports in a case that I would not trust even if I was there and witnessed it myself?
I was taught as a new Detective, “If it’s not in the Q&A it has not happened”
Well here is the opposite.....If it’s in the reports use it against the reporting officers.
Let’s forget the trauma and stress of any shooting. Let’s use any mistake as if it was intentional and criminal in nature!
Many years ago a police officer was accused of alleged misconduct, the Superintendent fired him the board fired the officer!
It was all easy to fire the officer until the court reviewed the evidence where the Judge asked where was the evidence?
During the reply by the city attorneys the only evidence the city had was the investigators opinion!
Within seconds the Judge reinstated the officer, with these words, “if the evidence does not exist then the termination is wrongful”
This is a perfect example for all sergeants, ONLY BECAUSE THEY ALLOW YOU TO WEAR A WHITE SHIRT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A MEMBER OF THE CLUB, A BOSS, OR UPPER MANAGEMENT.
You are nothing but a person in a white shirt that makes sure REAL BOSSES wishes are adhered to. This poor Sergeant only made sure all reports and notifications were done. As far as for approving reports all he does is makes sure UCR, date, time, location, notifications, spelling, grammar, etc on a report is correct. They do not tell the or should not tell the officer what to write on their reports.
Everyone from Lieutenant and above who signed off on this OIS got to resign or retire in good standing with the department and keep their pensions. The only white shirt who had to go through disciplinary hearings and fight criminal charges were the blue shirts and the single white shirt.
So to all my brothers and sisters who think because they wear a white shirt they are part of management, this OIS incident shows and proves that you are closer to being a BLUE SHIRT more than being close to being a real WHITE SHIRT. Stop being dicks to PO’s , riding them, pushing REAL BOSSES quotas on them, etc because at the end of the day when shit hits the fan you will be thrown underneath the bus with the blue shirts!
The Chicago Machine protects its own.
If you had clout, you would not have been fired.
But go out there and get some numbers for your clouted clown bosses!
Hot Friday and Saturday. I predict 9 and 42 by Monday, revised to 12 and 40 by Thursday.
This move covers the brass's ass and everybody higher up as they can now say , "we said it was a "good shoot" based on the reports of these police officers. Now they will say these officer's lied, so their earlier decision was based on misinformation(not their fault). Of course they have been hiding behind this ever since during the trial as well.
The real crime is not only that the MacDonald incident is now "back in the news" , now they will again talk constantly of the shooting talking like this just happened and bringing up the shooting to make it out like such events happen every day besides bringing up other historical fake garbage (the gentle giant or even Saint Skittles) to further ostracize the police and call them racist along with Trump and all the law-abiding citizens of European ancestry. They do this anyway, this just gives them another tiresome old saw to repeat their lies more, in more media articles for another cycle.
Stay fetal my friends!
Slightly off topic. Ihe authorities in Philadelphia are reportedly firing officers as racists, just for using the term "thug" to refer to members of the "community". SCC, you better review, and as necessary tighten up, all the anonymization measures you rely on to protect your and our identities, because the freewheeling nature of things on this blog could be a starting point for similar actions by Lightfoot and her crew.
Inquisition, not a hearing.
Number one lesson from all of this "Don't do shit"
The old way of watching out for each other is gone because society has declared war on the police. Now it is every person for themselves. If I ever have to write a report, it will be 100% the objective facts.
Sorry all of you three year kids on tact. If you fuck up, don't expect anything from anyone.
Absolutely disgusting. Nice job special Ed. Can’t wait till you’re gone in August. No loyalty from you at all
Get out before its to late. Learn a trade. Don't let these motherfuckers become a yoke on your shoulders of happiness. If you make it til pension without a major lawsuit or injury you win, if you don't, then you're left with indigestion and resentment.
Remember they didn’t do anything but show up.
This is beyond ridiculous!!!
These cops are being scapegoated. Somewhere, someone has decided that paying them off quietly later is better than doing the right thing now. Virtue signalling, don't you know.
Anonymous said...
And Gene Roy (aka Gene Wah on Facebook) is now the director of security for a major hotel chain. Maybe the protesters should know which chain is employing this fool? The IG recommends his firing, but he’s allowed to stay on for several months to transition his replacement with no repercussions?
7/19/2019 03:27:00 AM
Who was he working for at Wrigley? Was he working Robards-Dillon's security gig or for the Cubs?
You don’t get to drive the bus without mowing down a few officers for being at the mercy of the narrative every single one of those bosses has instructed and orchestrated. Every single boss who was in a strategic position at the time of this shit show should be fired and the officers should be rehired, if you truly want the justice dispensed accurately. I wish there was some way these officers could sue McCarthy, Rahm, etc civilly.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the meantime, go out their, be aggressive, be proactive, be innovative and bring in some numbers for the boss. Do it for Ed and all the exempts. Do it for Groot. And most of all, do it for the grateful community. DON'T WORRY about CR numbers (a single one of which can now stunt or kill your career). Don't worry about being stripped and sent to languish in callback for months and years. Don't worry about; IAD investigations, COPA investigations by diehard police haters, the Police Board (hand picked by rahm and Groot), the police-hating City IG and his new police oversight, the Consent Decree Machine and their new leftist agenda and oversight, federal lawsuits, punitive damages, a media that is reflexively biased against the police and pandering to the "community", a states attorney who is desperately looking to prosecute police to help resurrect her dwindling hope of re-election, along with her police-hating county board president master, a sheriff who wants to keep his jail empty to pander to the "community" and avoid the headaches of actually doing his job, a chief judge who wants every offender on the street, a police-hating Illinois attorney general and a stooge-governor beholden to Madigan. Together We Can.
7/19/2019 12:56:00 AM
Perfect.
Need to cover yourself always. Take a look at this link and it will show you the change in how everyone who has a case in front of this board will be treated now we have Lightfoot as mayor. Change began when she was President of the board and it’s only going to get worse. Unless your a connected Sgt that can lie and shoot a kid unarmed and then your lies will be covered and your suspension recommendation is 180 days when others get fired for much less.
https://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2019/mar/10/lori-lightfoot/fact-checking-lightfoots-record-police-discipline/
Do a google search for "knife wound pictures" and then tell me this asshole kid wasn't a threat. And meanwhile asshole Momma of asshole kid is throwing dice in the casino grieving her dead son that she never wanted anything to do with anyway. Meanwhile the 4CH's had his spot filled by the next day.
Just a shithole gangster city that even on its best day is a corrupt cesspool.
The detective the wrote the report was allowed to retire too.
If you have time to retire then do it why stay any more.
(OT) as our fake dishonest media keeps fanning the flames lighting that wick hoping for that racial explosion:
Ready to explode’: How a black boy’s drifting raft triggered a deadly week of riots 100 years ago in Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/history/ct-1919-chicago-riots-100th-anniversary-20190719-k4dexppvd5c6bkqbfwhgxfiacy-story.html
Thanks this is from 100 years ago and they are trying their best to keep fanning the racial flames
Will the Dept educate us on how to correctly write the reports?
Again the upper assholes SKATE and the front-line troops r pissed on!
So going after a person with a knife call will get you fired. Then don’t dispatch them. We all saw the video. JVD was correct and now he’s in jail. Answer your calls, stay 30 feet away from people with knives. Let them go. Advise warrant procedures.
John Simpson is on the police board. Mentor to Rahm in the hedge fund world. Husband to "actress" Alexandra Meneses. I wonder if his vote was influenced in any way. /sarcasm. Stop going to Awards Ceremonies, people. Stop getting paraded in front of City Council with your family. Forget that annual banquet at the Hilton. Disavow the City Club. Fuck all of these phony assed people. Tell them to put your award in the police mail. YOU are the enemy now! SF, you were given a raw deal. You are a true hero from that time under the 51st Street viaduct as a newbie. You did NOTHING wrong.
Hold your head high. Fuck this City. Fuck this Department. Fuck the Brass who walked=O'Donnell, McNaughton, Roy. EJ, please retire, lose all that death weight you unhealthy fucking sellout pawn motherfucker.
Remind me, how many bosses got canned over the Vanecko caper, hmmm let’s think.
Obtain the best legally skilled attorney(s) for this type of representation. Put the bosses under oath and lock in their testimony. Same for the Big Dogs (Rahm and company). Drag the evil cabal into the sunshine and fillet their asses in court. Be ruthless and uncompromising in the pursuit of justice Chicago style. Make every one of their sleepless nights be filled with "night sweats" and misery. May they constantly worry and relive their culpability in their miscarriage of justice. May they be constantly be asked by family and friends what are you hiding and what is the truth. Relish in the knowledge you will be a public spectacle as attorney's call on you to speak the truth under oath.
The City policy makers and the Community want a certain level of police services so it becomes incumbent to provide them the police services they want and deserve. You are paid to provide basic police services. Meet the basic level of job related requirements. Follow the letter of the law, Orders, Directives and Policies. Nothing more and nothing less. Fill out the reports accurately even if it takes hours to complete, act on written complaints, use common sense and move to the next call for service. When asked about the violence in the Community refer them to the occupant of the Mayor's Office or the Supt. Office. You are following their policies and procedures.
Remember your actions are constantly being monitored by the City and its all encompassing resources (e.g., electronic monitoring), the watch dog organizations and the Community. Provide all concerned the basic police requirements they want and deserve.
By following these simple rules, policies and regulations you will be assisting policy makers in making and keeping Murder City #1.
Here's the lead in:
The Chicago Police Board fired a sergeant and three officers Thursday night over the alleged cover-up of the MURDER of Laquan McDonald by a police officer.
That piece of shit Laquan McDonals was not murdered; he was shot and killed in the commission of a crime as police attempted to control an armed, dangerous and unstable subject.
If you watch the tape closely, you'll see LM turn at the last split-second toward police as if to lunge at them, whereupon JVD discharged his weapon in an attempt to terminate the threat.
That's how I see it. Inflammatory statements like "The MURDER of Laquan McDonald by a police officer" only serve to deepen the divide between police and "da community."
This is the biggest disgrace ever. You’re 100% out of your mind if you stick your head out for anyone in this God forsaken liberal shithole city. That said everyone knows many times today, tomorrow, next week and next month we will see squad cars racing with blue lights on to help some ungrateful shitbag. We just can’t help ourselves, we react. God bless every police officer in this city and pray that you can find a way to stop giving a fuck just like they don’t give a fuck about you. It will never happen though because that’s that thin line that separates us from them. Morals, standards, a strong will, and balls. None of which any liberal in this city has.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
7/19/2019 12:15:00 AM
Not so fast Mr know it all. The Sgt union legal defense is capped..... BTW every boss we have is a fuckin coward
These bosses, especially the ones with those nice shiny gold stars are not on our side. Some used to be back in the day. Those days are gone. DO NOT put your family, freedom, pensions at risk for people who would NEVER EVER do it for you. They are the biggest group of corrupt, incompetent bottom feeders in any department throughout the country. Way too many cooks in the exempt kitchen and these retards can't even boil noodles correctly. Stay safe and stay fetal.
That was a political kangaroo court if I ever saw one.
Accountability...... but only for the low hanging fruit!
hey young and dumb officers... copa is just dying to meet ya
Circus side show and the libs are high fiving their contribution to social justice.
Untrained, biased civilian boards only see things one way, their way.
Reports are individual processes of what that person sees, gathers, recalls under duress and likely not a verbatim account.
These sacrificial four were doomed from the start.
Let’s not forget this was a justified use of Deadly Force before it was overturned by a corrupt system.
The entire after-effect was only intended to promote a twisted narrative set in place by pot stirring obama.
Lacking any integrity, SpecialEd played along once he was schooled by the players to the point he was anointed to his position.
Complicit also is The Chickenshit-On-the-Run Rahm, $5 mil in quick hush money to save his job too.
Pile this on with the Juicey Swollled internal communications still under wraps.
I thinks Jugghaid is about ready to fall out.
An expensive endeavor ahead of a few folks sent into the ghetto to do a job nobody else would.
Better to Stay Fetal my friends, let PeaceFrog LightLoafer work her magic.
Law suit ??? Bosses on the stand ???? Yea that’s not gonna happen
They will drag it out until these culpable people are forced out or leave on their own in the not-too-distant future
Then they will settle with the police officers out of court for backpay a couple of bucks and their jobs back and nothing will ever happen stop kidding yourself
So who is being held responsible for Laquan's actions??
my understanding was that the Sgt was the only one working that night in the District. Reviewed what he was told to and sent it up the chain; who was the approving deputy that night?
Racist decision,
Board wants to fire a white police woman involved in a chase
Board did not fire a merit black sergeant that shot an unarmed mentally challenged black youth while off duty .
Merit sergeant means politically connected .
It’s all about race , fire white police.
Special Ed signed off on Labuan armed with a knife McDonald ,fleeing armed felon McDonald
I’m sure he had viewed video longer than a sergeant completing a TRR
Copa , Independent haha corrupt office political activists
Note in the picture of the bored(sic) members voting by raising their hands, all of them kept their heads down. (Media and Slum Times coverage)
They didn't even have the nerve to look up at those in attendance.
They should keep their heads down in that shameful rubber stamp, political vote.
(One board member did not vote against the officers)
Any officer that writes so much as a parking ticket after this is out of their mind!
Talk about literal scapegoats.
If any working CPD officer didn’t get the memo please stop doing any proactive policing. Answer your calls. DON’T CHASE NOBODY! Do only the work required. Anything more you put yourself at risk of losing everything. The days of the real police are gone.
Lock the police board members in a room with a person on PCP with a knife and see if they change their tune. It’s so easy to armchair quarterback from your cushy seats.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
7/19/2019 12:15:00 AM
Where did you hear that? Had a few friends fired, lawsuit and any court action was on their coin
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
7/19/2019 12:15:00 AM
Never heard of the FOP , after you have been fired by the police board paying your legal fees to sue to get your job back. Hope it’s true
I've sat in front of "investigative panels" for other things. Make no mistake, my freedom was not at stake for what was being investigated but, it amazed me how no matter what you say and what you think of the strength of your position is, if they had an agenda for you, you're going to be found guilty. It's an awful thing to experience and jail wasn't on plate in any of these proceedings. My heart goes out to these coppers, they weren't going to let you escape without the obvious pound of flesh being removed from your hide.
Now, these poor coppers get to try to find a new job with the scarlet letter loudly and clearly affixed to them. If this was indeed an unjustified ruling, I don't know, I wasn't at the original incident, I know nothing about it, I hope they have the means and stamina to pursue getting their jobs back.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
wrongful termination.... I can't wait to see this law suit.
7/19/2019 12:39:00 AM
I can see you didn’t go to law school. Its not something these officers wanted. It a long road back and I hope they are supported by fundraisers
Wow, the police board has changed. Firing officers with this evidence and charges. Bringing discredit to the department and preventing the department from achieving its goals? What does that even really mean?
Never allow anyone, no matter how high their rank,to order you to do something wrong. This case is a perfect example. All of the bosses involved in this cover up are enjoying big pensions while they escape any accountability. The officers, detectives and sergeant were all thrown to the wolves. They are scapegoats for the mayor on down. What a disgrace!
Please post fundraiser info.
Anyone hear about the crazy PPO in 012?
“All but one board member voted to fire Officer Daphne Sebastian as well for bringing discredit to the department and preventing the department from achieving its goals”
Hold up... I figured the departments credibility was basically “absolute zero”; mathematically you can not subtract from this number. So wtf are they talking about. But anyways, they got her with a one all catch all.
ah gene roy the big skirt chaser
I'm somewhat confused as to why people are bad mouthing the bosses. They said the shooting was justified. Roy and McNaughton backed up the patrolman. Why are you guys knocking them. Yes, they were able to leave and retire. They also had the time on and vested enough to do so. If any of the officers in front of the police board had enough time on to leave and collect they also would have been able to. Alot of people higher ups backed up JVD and paid a price for it.
What happened to the Police Board unreal?
Those exempts (and more) all saw the video and discussed the "spin strategy" ...and they all skated away. Disgusting.It was an open secret in HQ that it was a "troublesome" situation and needed to be kept closed down until post-election.
SCC where is the fop putting these exempts on blasts!!! Especially the superintendent
JVD went to trial and had the chance to put the brass on the stand but for some strange reason the hack lawyer didn't. Whose fault was that. Now four more have their lives ruined by JVD'S bad choices.
Fop can you please put something together like the blue flu or a day where non one does any proactive police work!! Who gives a shit if they say it’s a strike they can’t fire all of us!!
"And the bosses (above sergeant) escape any culpability"
Could I add "and Rahm..." who is above reproach, etc.
So now, Hizzoner is with The Atlantic, on the National BAM Advisory Council and with ABC News as a contributor. No bias in media, eh?
As comment #1 said "Bastards!"
My heart is with the officers involved. They can/will recover and maybe can go elsewhere is LEOs. FBI/Homeland Security/ICE, many layers of agencies will treat you better than "the city that works." (Haven't heard that in a while.)
Police in my hometown have gone to suburban entities, where everyone doesn't have a free, gov't paid for, Obama phone!
NOT ILLINOIS. NOT LAW.
So what kinda of propaganda is Godsel spreading going to roll calls to discuss the consent decree. I think it’s a little late in the game to try and change our minds. Maybe they can send someone from city hall to explain why the city feels we don’t deserve a contract.
gene roy what a total political stroke
he only took care of the desk dollies n the politically connected
I can’t wait for the wrongful termination lawsuit!!
The detective the wrote the report was allowed to retire too.
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Yea not with his credentials and he was indicted criminally and won!!! How funny Criminal court used the same evidence these 🤡 used
Hey 0235, you put the job action together. How stupid can you be. Or perhaps your a stooge for the goofy mayor. Any job action initiated by fop results in the current contract becoming void. Read your contract that is if you can.
They will drag it out until these culpable people are forced out or leave on their own in the not-too-distant future
Then they will settle with the police officers out of court for backpay a couple of bucks and their jobs back and nothing will ever happen stop kidding yourself
7/19/2019 10:44:00 AM
You make it sound so easy, but it is far from easy.
"...why people are bad mouthing the bosses. They said the shooting was justified...."
they said "justified" -because it allowed them to pretend the sht wasn't going to hit the fan--they made ZERO efforts to address the event in an above board and timely manner----they let it fester, put bs on paper and ran away when it finally came to light.
They are a bunch of fool political hacks who protected city hall and were rewarded---they did nothing for working police and just made everything worse by being spineless self serving jerks.
Baby G, how is what you're saying about Rahm's gamesmanship regarding the video and/or suppression of the video helpful to JVD? Yes, Rahm probably hid it because he considered it harmful to his re-election chances. But why did he consider it harmful? Because it looked bad. Even Dan Proft, who loves guns and loves police, said it looked bad, egregious, excessive. Rahm's pretending not to have seen the video prior to its release to the public doesn't ultimately change what it shows.
Anyone hear about the crazy PPO in 012?
7/19/2019 01:32:00 PM
Which one. There's been a few.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
my understanding was that the Sgt was the only one working that night in the District. Reviewed what he was told to and sent it up the chain; who was the approving deputy that night?
7/19/2019 11:04:00 AM
McNaughton
We need another march (a big one) on city hall.
24th district going to crap. I ain't doing nothing. This commander can keep me
late bounce me around who gives a crap. Liberal capital of the world can have
the first slice of the depolice pie!
Anonymous said...
The detective the wrote the report was allowed to retire too.
7/19/2019 09:09:00 AM
That Detective had 31 years on the job and retired many months after the shooting. He was then criminally indicted and put on trial. He wasn’t “allowed” to do anything.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
gene roy what a total political stroke
he only took care of the desk dollies n the politically connected
7/19/2019 03:04:00 PM
How’s he different than any of the current lineup?
John Simpson is on the police board. Mentor to Rahm in the hedge fund world. Husband to "actress" Alexandra Meneses. I wonder if his vote was influenced in any way. /sarcasm. Stop going to Awards Ceremonies, people. Stop getting paraded in front of City Council with your family. Forget that annual banquet at the Hilton. Disavow the City Club. Fuck all of these phony assed people. Tell them to put your award in the police mail. YOU are the enemy now! SF, you were given a raw deal. You are a true hero from that time under the 51st Street viaduct as a newbie. You did NOTHING wrong.
Hold your head high. Fuck this City. Fuck this Department. Fuck the Brass who walked=O'Donnell, McNaughton, Roy. EJ, please retire, lose all that death weight you unhealthy fucking sellout pawn motherfucker.
Very well said. I would add this, LABOR DAY is fast approaching. That Friday,Saturday,Sunday and Monday, ALL police should answer radio calls. That's it. Go down on as many PCIs as possible. Use your time wisely in other ways instead of giving the pop wars that be the numbers they seek. That's not a call for a strike so they can threaten all they want but cant do anything about it. That weekend is the perfect time to make a statement citywide.
John Catanzara 008
Just axin:
What if
Coppers grap a guy and put agun ang dope case on him.
They write a beautiful case report, perfect PC, all lies.
Case report submitted into computer.
Sgt, who was not with the officers, from next shift, signs the report,
based on the info in report, all boxes filled in, spelling & grammer ok etc, etc.
They get caught. Witness & clear independent video. They go to jail.
What happens to the Sgt now, jail or fired for signing a case report?
Desk Sgt signed off on the arrest report for PC and approval of charges.
What happens to him?
Correct me if I’m wrong didn’t the Brass rule in JVD’s favor? Blame the lame lawyer who didn’t call them to testify. Blame Rahm for holding tape until election was over. Had a trial and lost. If the evidence showed that the the three on the scene lied thanthey need to go. If the Sgt who wasn’t present just handled the paperwork as it was presented then he is the only innocent one in this whole mess. He has a case not sure about the rest of them. Did JVD’s genius lawyer appeal the case, if so where is that appeal now?
It’s Friday afternoon, Mayor Little Feet should be heading out of town soon.
Bringing discredit to the department and preventing the department from achieving its goals? What does that even really mean?
It means that you had bad press. Someone in the media ran an article critical of you.
It takes very little in a city with no integrity standards.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
JVD went to trial and had the chance to put the brass on the stand but for some strange reason the hack lawyer didn't. Whose fault was that. Now four more have their lives ruined by JVD'S bad choices.
7/19/2019 02:33:00 PM
If the judge allowed/approved it. I have no doubt that was never going to happen,
7/19/2019 06:37:00 AM, you REALLY do love your exclamation points, don't you?
As of July 15th, I've now been retired 13 years. The District Christmas party when those who have retired during that year, get their 'atta boys', retirement plaque, and recognition of service, congratulatory letters. This is done on the stage and you are given the microphone to say a few words. Say a few words, I did. My full, retirement acceptance speech, was:
"Run silent,run deep!"
Handed the mike back to the Captain and exited stage right. The look on the the commanders face was priceless.
Much to my dismay, my grandson recently became a sworn officer on a different department. I constantly give him the benefit of my experience in the form of advice. My most recent advice to him was, do not arrive at any scene if you are not needed there. Stay off the air, and be a block or two away, so that if help is needed, you are available, but don't put yourself AT the scene.
What happened to these officers, if they were not assigned to that call, is a textbook example of how you can get jackpotted, just for being on scene, when you should never have been there in the first place. I also told him to keep off the radio, but if need be, keep your words to a minimum. Words of wisdom.
Answer your calls, and nothing more.
Stay safe.
I'm somewhat confused as to why people are bad mouthing the bosses. They said the shooting was justified. Roy and McNaughton backed up the patrolman. Why are you guys knocking them. Yes, they were able to leave and retire. They also had the time on and vested enough to do so. If any of the officers in front of the police board had enough time on to leave and collect they also would have been able to. Alot of people higher ups backed up JVD and paid a price for it.
Not 1 higher up paid a price. Even special ed was promoted to Superintendent. The above post is a total out and out lie.
Never heard of the FOP , after you have been fired by the police board paying your legal fees to sue to get your job back. Hope it’s true
Didn't the police board fire John Burge ?
Didn't he FOP cover his expenses ?
Fop can you please put something together like the blue flu or a day where non one does any proactive police work!! Who gives a shit if they say it’s a strike they can’t fire all of us!!
LMAO FOP will write a scary letter. That will teach them.
If you do any Police Work what so ever. You are a complete fool. Fuck the bosses. Fuck the city and fuck the department.
The judge in the trial refused to allow police brass testimony in Jvd trial as I recall. The sergeant is getting the worst deal . He was not there and did see the video. The brass also were not on scene but did view video and signed off on case, especially the street deputy .
“.....We just can’t help ourselves, we react. God bless every police officer in this city and pray that you can find a way to stop giving a fuck just like they don’t give a fuck about you. It will never happen though because that’s that thin line that separates us from them. Morals, standards, a strong will, and balls. None of which any liberal in this city has....”
Best comment so far. And I’m sure this thread will reach at least 200 plus comments. 16 years on the job and I’m trying my hard not to give a fuck. But like you said, our emotion gets the very best of us because we care. Right now, we have to think real hard before we act. Ask your self “who really benefits of the hard work you put in”?
You lose your job because you signed a case report ???? They were looking to make an example of a supervisor but not a high ranking one that was on the scene and involved in the investigation.
So four officers fired, over 270 people killed, all since Lori got elected. Oh yeah, she also raised over 2 million bucks for her campaign fund. Gomer said it best.....Surprise.....Surprise......Surprise.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fop can you please put something together like the blue flu or a day where non one does any proactive police work!! Who gives a shit if they say it’s a strike they can’t fire all of us!!
7/19/2019 02:35:00 PM
The FOP isn't responsible to put anything together. Put your big boy pants on and put it together yourself!
Stand up & make a statement!
This week, two young men charged in the murder of Pamela Johnson — who was struck and killed by a truck after running onto Lake Shore Drive while fleeing an armed robbery on Memorial Day 2016 — were found not guilty.
Nice to see the states attorneys incompetence continues. And it doesnt matter what color you are as it applies to all races.
and mcnaughton enjoys his retirement.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(OT) as our fake dishonest media keeps fanning the flames lighting that wick hoping for that racial explosion:
Ready to explode’: How a black boy’s drifting raft triggered a deadly week of riots 100 years ago in Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/history/ct-1919-chicago-riots-100th-anniversary-20190719-k4dexppvd5c6bkqbfwhgxfiacy-story.html
Thanks this is from 100 years ago and they are trying their best to keep fanning the racial flames
7/19/2019 09:14:00 AM
Not only that, but told 100% from the black, ooops! I mean POC perspective. 23 blacks died, 15 whites. But the entire article is about the blacks. How did the white guys die?!?! No F’ing clue from reading. From Will’s writing it sounds like the whites were ALL ATTACKERS and the blacks were all in self defense mode. Can you fucking imagine a white guy writing this from a white perspective. Holy fuck!
This week, two young men charged in the murder of Pamela Johnson — who was struck and killed by a truck after running onto Lake Shore Drive while fleeing an armed robbery on Memorial Day 2016 — were found not guilty.
Nice to see the states attorneys incompetence continues. And it doesnt matter what color you are as it applies to all races.
AWFUL!!! I think about this poor woman all the time.
Hey SCC the wonderful mayor is hiring a Detroit official to be Chicago’s planning director. I guess she really does want to turn Chicago into Detroit
Very well said. I would add this, LABOR DAY is fast approaching. That Friday,Saturday,Sunday and Monday, ALL police should answer radio calls. That's it. Go down on as many PCIs as possible. Use your time wisely in other ways instead of giving the pop wars that be the numbers they seek. That's not a call for a strike so they can threaten all they want but cant do anything about it. That weekend is the perfect time to make a statement citywide.
John Catanzara 008
7/19/2019 05:12:00 PM
This could be Special Ed's last rodeo. Everyone's know Ed is out. Quiet and selected discussions (interviews?) in progress. So lets send him off in the manner he is most accustomed to: embarrassment and failure. Let's not forget the Murder Mayor. She was well aware of his incompetence but chose to keep him on. She chose poorly and the Community paid for her mistake with their lives.
The suggested attention and sending a message on Labor Day activities is an interesting idea we should all keep in mind. Give them the police service they want and deserve.
SHAME ON YOU SPECIAL ED! What a scum move to fire those officers and the sergeant. You should be ashamed! You threw your officers under the bus. You’ve been promoted on their misfortunes. How can you sleep at night.
I don't think the Superintendent has the FINAL WORD anymore I think that was given away under Rahm
You know just about the same thing (white cop/Amish)
happened in Pittsburgh, and the mayor is taking heat as far
away as Laguna Beach, to which he responded on his
trusty Twitter account (paraphrasing) "I intend to run for
re-election in 2021. Bring it." (By "bring it" he means
the critism over his management of the police and city).
So when you "announce" 28 months out (2 YEARS,
4 MONTHS) it essentially amounts to "Fuck You."
Thank you Mr. Mayor (D) for putting Pittsburgh at #15
for the most murders in America. You're even loved
in Laguna Beach.
If your all depending on the FOP supplied lawyer to right a wrong your all whistling Dixie. They 2ill hire another incompetent tool.
7/19/2019 06:18:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As of July 15th, I've now been retired 13 years. The District Christmas party when those who have retired during that year, get their 'atta boys', retirement plaque, and recognition of service, congratulatory letters. This is done on the stage and you are given the microphone to say a few words. Say a few words, I did. My full, retirement acceptance speech, was:
"Run silent,run deep!"
Handed the mike back to the Captain and exited stage right. The look on the the commanders face was priceless.
Much to my dismay, my grandson recently became a sworn officer on a different department. I constantly give him the benefit of my experience in the form of advice. My most recent advice to him was, do not arrive at any scene if you are not needed there. Stay off the air, and be a block or two away, so that if help is needed, you are available, but don't put yourself AT the scene.
What happened to these officers, if they were not assigned to that call, is a textbook example of how you can get jackpotted, just for being on scene, when you should never have been there in the first place. I also told him to keep off the radio, but if need be, keep your words to a minimum. Words of wisdom.
Answer your calls, and nothing more.
Weird what you said about going to the scene. One officer who was fired had a partner that wanted to go to dinner and not go to the scene and assist in trying to take McDonald into custody
JVD went to trial and had the chance to put the brass on the stand but for some strange reason the hack lawyer didn't. Whose fault was that. Now four more have their lives ruined by JVD'S bad choices.
7/19/2019 02:33:00 PM
If the judge allowed/approved it. I have no doubt that was never going to happen,
Judge didn’t allow them to testify.
Who was the 008 district commander during this fiasco?
Bringing discredit to the department and preventing the department from achieving its goals? What does that even really mean?
It means that you had bad press. Someone in the media ran an article critical of you.
It takes very little in a city with no integrity standards.
7/19/2019 05:33:00 PM
Just my point. You get fired for that
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They will drag it out until these culpable people are forced out or leave on their own in the not-too-distant future
Then they will settle with the police officers out of court for backpay a couple of bucks and their jobs back and nothing will ever happen stop kidding yourself
You do realize this is 2019, new mayor and things are changing. That was the way it was done before, not now. A few years back police board would never have fired them , just a suspension
Now is the time for a ticket blitz!!! Not a slowdown, but if it moves it gets written and parkers for every little thing also. That gets way better attention than a slowdown. Been involved in that kind of movement an it works.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
7/19/2019 12:15:00 AM
Not so fast Mr know it all. The Sgt union legal defense is capped..... BTW every boss we have is a fuckin coward
Agree with you. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. FOP doesn’t pay after you are fired. No way they would pay for a suit and circuit court case after you were fired. If that was true, then they pay for the appellate court, then supreme court
Furthermore, the slowdown works great for and and all "in progress" calls. Lights and sirens wailing on in progress, right up to said address. Let the offender know how close you are so they can flee. Also a great attention getter, they forget that everyone can "play" games.
It’s gonna be a long summer. City better buy a few more street sweepers.
Fop can you please put something together like the blue flu or a day where non one does any proactive police work!! Who gives a shit if they say it’s a strike they can’t fire all of us!!
No, they can't fire everyone. But they will make an example of you.
Read the contract. For the FOP or any union official (that includes unit and watch reps) to call for a job action is grounds for decertification and your firing for even talking about it. At least a CR# that you would be on your own.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
And Gene Roy (aka Gene Wah on Facebook) is now the director of security for a major hotel chain. Maybe the protesters should know which chain is employing this fool? The IG recommends his firing, but he’s allowed to stay on for several months to transition his replacement with no repercussions?
7/19/2019 03:27:00 AM
Who was he working for at Wrigley? Was he working Robards-Dillon's security gig or for the Cubs?
7/19/2019 08:31:00 AM
Neither he was working for that great company Monterrey Security.
The judge on the case has been living with retired D/C Linda Flores for years. Think that had some influence on the case with no bosses testifying?
What a disservice to officers. Do your job, at minimum, retire and move far away. People outside of Chicago Illinois still respect CPD. It is an honorable and difficult job that only courageous people are willing to do. How wrong the meritorious promotional system has been for years and the fixed promotional exams. There are so many fine men and women who go to work on the streets of Chicago everyday with zero expectations of going home each night. These brave people deserve so much more than what the city and the department have dumped on them. Not one officer should ever have to worry about serving time or losing everything to meet political gains. It’s a disgrace, an embarrassment, and a violation of officers rights. The old/real Chicago Police Department, years ago, may have involved some unconventional ways of conducting police work, but CPD was the most respected police department in the world at one time. The political correctness and need to use someone and/or something as an example to appease those sensitive and uneducated people in society needs to end. People need to take responsibility for their own decisions and actions. Families-all races-need to take responsibility of their children and of each other and stop placing that responsibility on police officers. Laquan McDonald was one of the many children in our country that was born to a drug addicted mother who couldn’t take care of him so the tax payers paid for his upbringing via the system. That is sad and unfortunate but does not excuse his biological mother and/or family from intervening and taking responsibility of him at any point in his childhood. As a result, like many other children in the system, he fell apart, had many issues, then used drugs and alcohol to solve his problems. Well to those uneducated liberals out there those unsolved childhood problems become unsolved adult problems and systemically become a police problem. The officers involved in this case went to work responded to this job and did what they each perceived to be just and right. It will forever be wrong and unjust to punish officers for doing their jobs. If an officer has no other chose but to use deadly force, and someone dies as a result, that officer did his/her job-PERIOD! Shame on any supervisor that EVER tells an officer to falsify a report to save his or her own ass-and then walks away without the balls to own up to such an abuse of his/her position of power.
Retired CPD—no officer should ever have to go through the crap this department currently shovels!
Don't foot chase, don't car chase, don't even stop anyone. Just answer the radio and go to your calls. The old ways of doing law enforcement are dead and gone. Thank you ACLU, where the criminals have more rights than the victims. This Department will not back you if the shit hits the fan. Be safe and God Bless.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You lose your job because you signed a case report ???? They were looking to make an example of a supervisor but not a high ranking one that was on the scene and involved in the investigation.
7/19/2019 07:05:00 PM
I thought this was about the TRRs.
Living with Linda Flores is all the punishment that judge needs.
How can he be a threat on PCP and brandishing a knife when we sees him in his red graduation outfit? He had a bright future.
The fired officers now need to hire an attorney who specializes in labor law and unlawful termination. It will be a long and expensive journey. The depositions of the command chain to include Johnson should be interesting . I sure hope there is a fund for them .the logic that the department used to fire the sergeant is puzzling
I do believe a TRR is reviewed not approved. Could somebody double check this.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legal fees will be covered by the corresponding unions. However making up for the lost wages is another story.
7/19/2019 12:15:00 AM
Not so fast Mr know it all. The Sgt union legal defense is capped..... BTW every boss we have is a fuckin coward
Agree with you. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. FOP doesn’t pay after you are fired. No way they would pay for a suit and circuit court case after you were fired. If that was true, then they pay for the appellate court, then supreme court
7/19/2019 10:34:00 PM
Ask about the union paying for an officer's legal fees after he was fired for taking a picture with person in custody lying on the floor while holding a rifle. Hmmm. This included the appellate court
Anyone of you who bust their ass's on this jagoff job should get your nut checked.
But you will anyway. Despite all warnings, and instead of having a nice evening in air conditioning, you'll be leaping over fences, driving like fools, waving your chrome around, and looking for a reason for the Dept. to fire you.
In the grand scheme of things, and unless your juiced in, your nothing but a lowly worm so just accept it. My favorite are these management promo's who went from dog ass's to crime fighters cause now they want to be LT.'s without studying.
What a phony bullshit job. Don't be a sucker, make the job work for you.
Sgts union is paying for their fired member. What's fop gonna do?
To the "13 year retiree" who posted "run silent-run deep" how spot on you are. The BEST sergeant that I ever worked for in 011 was Mike Mulligan and he always ended roll call simply by saying "back each other up." And to that point, the BEST dispatchers on Zone 10 were Stan and Nick who reaffirmed what you touched on about staying off the air. When the shit hit the fan and the "10-1" went out the first thing they ALWAYS said was "We know your going just go and STAY OFF THE AIR." Unfortunately though today with all the wonderful "technology" out there I think your fucked either way. Thoughts and prayers TO ALL wearing the "star" these days. Law Enforcement is DONE!! PLEASE don't kid yourselves! And to all who are out there; STAY SAFE!!
Work slowdown? I’m already there. Waiting on everyone else to get on board. Especially all you newbies hitting the streets, pretending to be the police. Looking down on senior Officers and pretending you’ve been “better trained” ....lmao! You have absolutely no idea what’s waiting for you behind Door #2!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The judge on the case has been living with retired D/C Linda Flores for years. Think that had some influence on the case with no bosses testifying?
Doubt it did
I started wearing blinders years ago. I’m so good that I won’t ever make eye contact with anybody. Have the retro checks been cut?
I believe the commander was Jim O'Donnell, a legend
024 district PO’s on the watch that had day off canceled today to work VRE for the tact team. It’s a violation of your contract and you should contact FOP and file a grievance, management & labor affairs will smack Commander Hand and say don’t do it again, but if you do nothing about it but complain on the blog serves you right. A Boss isn’t going to tell you when he/she is violating your contract..
Can't wait to retire from this shit hole.
07:37am - Yes, it is a crime that the media will now harp on and on and continue the false Legend of Laquan McDonald, created by Peabody Award winner Carol Moron. She also created the term fake news long before our current President used it. Anyone who would give her the time of day is nuts!
Retired .38 spl +P
"Run silent, run deep" has been etched in my heart since the start of ACLU.
Do write paper for every crime you respond to , back each other up .
Respond with lights and sirens to all in progress , drive slow ,obey traffic laws , aid to injured , interview victim witnesses, give slow down asap , send flash , then only all facts tour area for the young men and women responsible for crime .
@0052....Well said bud. Enjoy your retirement.
To the "13 year retiree" who posted "run silent-run deep" how spot on you are. The BEST sergeant that I ever worked for in 011 was Mike Mulligan and he always ended roll call simply by saying "back each other up." And to that point, the BEST dispatchers on Zone 10 were Stan and Nick who reaffirmed what you touched on about staying off the air. When the shit hit the fan and the "10-1" went out the first thing they ALWAYS said was "We know your going just go and STAY OFF THE AIR." Unfortunately though today with all the wonderful "technology" out there I think your fucked either way. Thoughts and prayers TO ALL wearing the "star" these days. Law Enforcement is DONE!! PLEASE don't kid yourselves! And to all who are out there; STAY SAFE!!
That “We know you’re going just go stay off the air” line only works on the south side given all the multi agency cops and units that work there. Up north is a different story, on a 10-1 the dispatcher wants to know who can drop what their doing and respond. On the south side, on a 10-1, you’d get units coming out the wood work to help. That’s how much resources are assigned there. Up north, on a 10-1, you’ll be waiting for help cause there’s only 4 beat cars working, and tact don’t take calls.
Tribune editorial headline says “Four cops rightly fired”. It goes now say the usual bullshit. Incredible how the editorial board, who have no experience in law enforcement, can say the decision reached by the politically appointed police board, who have no experience in law enforcement, was correct. What other profession relies on the opinions of people with no experience whatsoever in that profession to cast judgement?
Anonymous said...
JVD went to trial and had the chance to put the brass on the stand but for some strange reason the hack lawyer didn't. Whose fault was that. Now four more have their lives ruined by JVD'S bad choices.
7/19/2019 02:33:00 PM
If the judge allowed/approved it. I have no doubt that was never going to happen,
Judge didn’t allow them to testify.
7/19/2019 10:13:00 PM
I tacked the whole case.
When the judge ruled the brass was not going to testify, I knew JVD was screwed , the fix was in. Well it was already in from months before , but that, you could really see the "pre-planning".Run all the way back to Rahm and them sitting on the vid.
Patrol Specialist 24/7/365 Orlando needs to have his head examined.
OT: New Orleans head of consent decree enforcement and wife held up at gunpoint in Baltimore by dude inc!
https://dmlnewsapp.com/report-deputy-police-commissioner-robbed-gunpoint-police-say/
Do write paper for every crime you respond to , back each other up .
Respond with lights and sirens to all in progress , drive slow ,obey traffic laws , aid to injured , interview victim witnesses, give slow down asap , send flash , then only all facts tour area for the young men and women responsible for crime .
7/20/2019 01:03:00 PM
Exactly.
Everything is on film now, be it dash cam, body cam, cell phone, or other video. Document it. Don't have a name, then state unknown. They refused, then their name is Refused.
This is what we are supposed to be doing. It's about time we do it.
Blue cards do nothing to lower crime. If you are curbing vehicles specifically for the purpose of issuing a blue card, You are Wrong!
ISR's should only be used to cover your ass. They are for when you thought you had the elements of a crime, but didn't. If you are stopping people, or pulling them out of cars, with the primary intention of doing an ISR, You are Wrong!
PCI's? What an insult to law enforcement everywhere, as if our positive interactions are so few they can actually be counted. Obviously, if you are asking dispatch for a PCI (unless you are sneaking in an extra lunch), You are Wrong!
Our job is not about number generating for bosses to look good at Comstat meetings. We need to do our job. We need to document what we see, what we deal with.
We are currently in contract negotiations with a mayor who believes police should have a pay cut (her words). Show her what we are dealing with. Document it. Do your job.
Hey wasnt one of Monterey security supervisors caught up in a scandal and was taken care of by an alderman
New Orleans head of consent decree enforcement and wife held up at gunpoint in Baltimore
how'd their de-escalation go on that hahaha
Anonymous said...
New Orleans head of consent decree enforcement and wife held up at gunpoint in Baltimore
how'd their de-escalation go on that hahaha
7/21/2019 02:02:00 AM
He works for Baltimore
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/20/us/baltimore-deputy-police-commissioner-robbed/index.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I do believe a TRR is reviewed not approved. Could somebody double check this.
7/20/2019 08:08:00 AM
Exactly right. The Police Board didn't care. McNoughton approved it but he retired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the "13 year retiree" who posted "run silent-run deep" how spot on you are. The BEST sergeant that I ever worked for in 011 was Mike Mulligan and he always ended roll call simply by saying "back each other up." And to that point, the BEST dispatchers on Zone 10 were Stan and Nick who reaffirmed what you touched on about staying off the air. When the shit hit the fan and the "10-1" went out the first thing they ALWAYS said was "We know your going just go and STAY OFF THE AIR." Unfortunately though today with all the wonderful "technology" out there I think your fucked either way. Thoughts and prayers TO ALL wearing the "star" these days. Law Enforcement is DONE!! PLEASE don't kid yourselves! And to all who are out there; STAY SAFE!!
That “We know you’re going just go stay off the air” line only works on the south side given all the multi agency cops and units that work there. Up north is a different story, on a 10-1 the dispatcher wants to know who can drop what their doing and respond. On the south side, on a 10-1, you’d get units coming out the wood work to help. That’s how much resources are assigned there. Up north, on a 10-1, you’ll be waiting for help cause there’s only 4 beat cars working, and tact don’t take calls.
7/20/2019 04:49:00 PM
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I'm the original poster, and my "stay off the air" as much as possible and, with the least said, when you must, was in essence, a reiteration of my stand on staying away from scenes to which you are not assigned. The fired coppers got jackpotted by their, on scene 'written words', five years after the incident. Words spoken on the radio can also come back to bite you in the ass.
I understand your north versus south 10-1 advice, but I spent the majority of my time on the job in the deuce during the 80's, so my understanding of north side policing policing conditions are very limited.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the "13 year retiree" who posted "run silent-run deep" how spot on you are. The BEST sergeant that I ever worked for in 011 was Mike Mulligan and he always ended roll call simply by saying "back each other up." And to that point, the BEST dispatchers on Zone 10 were Stan and Nick who reaffirmed what you touched on about staying off the air. When the shit hit the fan and the "10-1" went out the first thing they ALWAYS said was "We know your going just go and STAY OFF THE AIR." Unfortunately though today with all the wonderful "technology" out there I think your fucked either way. Thoughts and prayers TO ALL wearing the "star" these days. Law Enforcement is DONE!! PLEASE don't kid yourselves! And to all who are out there; STAY SAFE!!
That “We know you’re going just go stay off the air” line only works on the south side given all the multi agency cops and units that work there. Up north is a different story, on a 10-1 the dispatcher wants to know who can drop what their doing and respond. On the south side, on a 10-1, you’d get units coming out the wood work to help. That’s how much resources are assigned there. Up north, on a 10-1, you’ll be waiting for help cause there’s only 4 beat cars working, and tact don’t take calls.
7/20/2019 04:49:00 PM
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I'm the original poster, and my "stay off the air" as much as possible and, with the least said, when you must, was in essence, a reiteration of my stand on staying away from scenes to which you are not assigned. The fired coppers got jackpotted by their, on scene 'written words', five years after the incident. Words spoken on the radio can also come back to bite you in the ass.
I understand your north versus south 10-1 advice, but I spent the majority of my time on the job in the deuce during the 80's, so my understanding of north side policing policing conditions are very limited.
7/21/2019 11:05:00 AM
My intention was never to critique or offend you. I just thought I’d provide my experience on 10-1’s on the south side vs. the north side. I worked both. Lack of man power is dangerous no matter where one works. Stay safe bud.
So a Sgt has absolute liability in reviewing reports if they are false?
Maybe he likes a little punishment. Bad, bad judge. Now, lick mama’s boot.
For many years I quipped about north side coppers spending their tour in Starbucks and doing nothing . After this incident, I now say spend your entire tour in a coffee shop, just not Starbucks.
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