Groot Rescinds Residency
- Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot on Tuesday justified allowing a City Hall consultant who lives in Wilmette to skirt a city residency rule for public employees, saying she’s known the woman for a long time and thinks her involvement will “add value” to the administration.
Lightfoot was asked why Lisa Schneider-Fabes can work as a top executive at the quasi-governmental agency World Business Chicago — which has declined to say how much it’s paying her — while living in the tony North Shore suburb and acting as a key adviser in Lightfoot’s administration, despite rules that require city employees to live in Chicago and the mayor’s promise to bring more transparency to city government.
What the FOP (or the PBPA for that matter) needs now is someone maxed out, of retirement age who can quit tomorrow to move out of the city and file the Change of Address form to show suburban residency and dare the city to bring a charge against them.
It's a slam dunk win. By waiving the rule, Groot has negated the City's ability to fire anyone for residency. The city rule makes no allowances for mayoral appointments so what's good for one is good for all.
It's a slam dunk win. By waiving the rule, Groot has negated the City's ability to fire anyone for residency. The city rule makes no allowances for mayoral appointments so what's good for one is good for all.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
218 Comments:
Please don’t get my hopes up and play with my heart like this SCC
I think there was a guy during the Emmanuel administration who also lived in Wilmette It was in the paper Rham said he was essential to the City and the guy didnt want to take his kids out of school
The city isn’t going under it is over. Get out why you can. It’s over!
So is she saying that we do not add value to the city?
The argument will go to the number of qualified candidates available. The quality of teachers outside of the city is much better.
I don’t know SCC, an old timer might tell you you’re barking up the wrong tree here. That we “knew” what we were signing up for when we took this job. That the residency rule is “unbeatable” even though every union like entity that has filed suit and challenged it in court has won.
Who wants to really live here anymore?
Bellwood, here I come!!!
>Long Drawn Out Fart-Noise
of Contempt and Derision<
Rooty-Poot Groot has lost her
Bugs Bunny mind...
World Business Chicago is a public-private non-profit partnership, so I highly doubt she could be considered a city employee subject to the residency requirement, unfortunately..
Hey SCC, why don’t you do it?
Rules for thee, but not for me,
Communists never apply the Law to members of the Party; those are for the proletariat. Diplomatic Immunity!
This is UNBELIEVABLE! Hey Lightfoot, I thought you weren’t going to be the same as all the other Chicago politicians??? Business as usual I see. The connected political friends get different rules under your administration too, we see. You are just the same. How about you do the right thing and get rid of the ridiculous, antiquated forced residency policy that is now crippling police recruitment. NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE IN ONE PLACE! No other city does this. How about a 40 mile radius? Some cities have this. FOP, this is now your job to fight this!!! Let’s GO! Stop sitting on your ass and fight this!
Hold on a quick minute. A consultant is not a city employee. They work under a contract for a specific period of time and the contract can be extended or renewed at the end of the specific period of time. Most times the contract calls for an exorbitant amount of money. That is how they skirt around the residency requirement for a city employee. The Groot is either being cute by screwing with your head or she is too stupid to know how to skirt around the residency requirement. Just because she is a lawyer does not make her a brain surgeon, but if she is screwing with your head, do not fall into her little game.
Are you kidding me?
Residency is the only thing keeping Chiraq from truly going into the shitter. If cops and fire were allowed to move out, kiss this city and your pension goodbye. If all city workers were allowed to move outside of Chicago, it would be a disaster of epic proportions. Can you imagine the price drop in our houses if everybody suddenly put up for sale signs?
We would have to be idiots to stay in Illinois and pay the higher taxes when we could move to Indiana and still drive here for work.
It’s hard to believe that it’s almost the year 2020 and Chicago is the only city in America still forcing their employees to live in Chicago. But the great ”reformer” Lightfoot instead acts just like her predecessors and keeps with Chicago tradition and makes special rules for the connected. Nothing will ever change.
If you are chosen you are golden... rules are only for the minions... sad.
Ok there isnt one person ever that has been fired for residency. Read the last residency case that went to the poloce board. He won even though there was overwhelming evidence against him. He lived in Oak lawn and kept an address in chicago. There are numerous bosses and pos that live in suburbs. Every officer that fought residency has won. Dont believe it read the police board rulings. The xo of area central has lived in western burbs for years.
those 3 guys who post here all the time about residency just got boners
My wife and I have been looking in the burbs for six months. Iad has not won a residency cr in years. Look it up.
What the hell are you guys doing over at the FOP??? Take this and run with it! Lightfoot is acting just like Daley and Rahm and making special rules for her connected friends. Lift residency once and for all!
So yet another woman that Mayor Larry has “known for a long time”, huh?
As long or longer than the one on her detail recently stripped of her police powers for a domestic battery arrest?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Good for ME, but NOT for thee.
Fuck you, LightLoafers.
I am retired, live in a part of the USA that is completely opposite of shithole you know ... but I would love to see someone test this... go ahead and give it a try people? Get a lawyer lined up and roll the dice people
Total b.s.. You (Fabes) better resign or move into the city. Plenty of homes on the
southside and westside. Live with the community and see the violence close up.
I live in 004, and saw my neighborhood fall apart as the phonies moved away. Some
thing better be done about this. What a corrupt administration. I don’t want one thin
dime to go to this closet racist . And police are the enemy. Sarcasm !
Go! Go! Go!
Find a GOOD LAW FIRM. Document the heck out of everything. FOIA all her hiring paperwork. Try to find another example.
Expect to lose and need to appeal, maybe all the way.
Melrose Park is a Tony Suburb. Wilmette is a Toney Suburb. As for me, I'll take a Tony Suburb over a Toney one any day of the week. You can actually get a Italian Beef in a Tony Suburb.
Graham needs to strike while the iron is hot...but he probably won’t.
Our Unions probably still won’t do anything to push for residency. They will say some BS like “we don’t want to disrupt contract negotiations”. Which is actually the best time to bring up the issue since the rest of negotiations are going nowhere.
Every department that has fought to overturn residency requirements has won in court. However, our “fraternal organizations” won’t even try. Who do they even serve?
Rahm did the same for some CPS pus head who lived in Wilmette.
The fix is in.
Plenty of good, affordable housing and great schools in Kenwood for cops.
Groot hasn’t rescinded anything.
She will claim that (correctly) that Schneider-Fabes is not employed by the city.
S-F is employed by “a non-profit public/private partnership” and, as such, is not subject to the residency requirement.
Likewise, S-F’s pay is not subject to FOIA requests.
The only thing that can gotten thru FOIA is the total number of dollars Chitcago contributes to the ‘partnership’.
How that money is spent is by CWB is off-limits.
Oh snap!
So lets see if there were no residency and 25-30K city employees and their families moved out of city what would happen? Some really nice neighborhoods would become trash. Those neighborhoods would lose massive home values, 25-30% overnight. The city would lose valuable taxpayers and 10s of millions of tax dollars. Those homes would be revalued and another huge tax hit. Add this to the already admitted larger than known budget deficit spells real trouble ahead. All because the Midget Mayor made another stupid decision. City is doomed I tell you doomed.
Why residency. Between the 35,000 CPS employees and the 25,000 city, CPD,CFD, City Hall and all other city departments that constitutes 40,000 taxpayers according to recent Sun Times article 40% of which are making OVER $100,000 per year. So lets do the math 40,000 times say an average of $70K equals $2.8 BILLION tax dollars at risk if the city lifts residency. Most of those employees have families so lets say for the sake of argument 50% have working spouses earning $40K per year, that's another $800,000,000 which is probably a low number. Now your looking at $3,600,000,000 in tax dollars at risk of leaving city. Lets say only one half are smart enough to move out so there goes $1.4 Billion in taxable income. Plus since many city employees own their own homes, again for the sake of argument, say 60% of the 20,000 moving families are home owners that is 12,000 being sold. Real estate values in many city workers neighborhoods will crater and neighborhood demographics will chance overnight, think back to "white flight", in the 1960s. Less property values means fewer tax dollars. CPS and private schools will the a huge hit with 20,000 families leaving city. In fact since so many city workers earn so much many elect to send their children to private schools in order to get a good education, those schools will lose so many students that another round of private schools closings will happen. CPS will take a huge hit as well with say 4,000-7,000 fewer students from middle class. So bottom line city cannot and will not give up the residency rule because it will force city into bankruptcy very quickly. Hundreds of millions in lost tax revenue will mean another round of huge city fees and tax increases driving even non city workers out.
Oh look and then over here we have the mayor employing people from winnetka
My daughter and I are sick of these people coming in on the west end of 8
I add value to the Department!
???
Ineptness in power only leads to more ineptness......
Quote: Aligator Bob........
Who sent ya? The Mayor. Well alrighty then. Welcome.
Maybe Randy can do it.
You know Wilmette needs? Affordable housing. Why do we relish our public housing but the suburbs go without?
Justice Ann Burke in her desertion on the Emanual/wedding dress/residency case which allowed him the seek office that their decision, the Illinois supreme court would nullify the city's residency requirement for ALL employees.
It's right there n black and white
None of the city's unions has sought relief from this draconian policy because the unions work hand in glove with the 5th floor and WANT you trapped in this city. They think residency's a great idea
I've stated this FACT on this blog a dozen or so times over the years
Wake up people. Residency is illegal, and we have the Illnois supreme courts ruling to back it up
Great! See you later then. Im off to da burbs
Clears throat, doesnt have to be a cop. Why couldn't it be a liberal teacher? Precedent indeed.
What'll become of all the St (insert biblical name here) schools an their staffs if residency is killed? Asking for my buddies wife.
Sounds familiar, Obama HAD to hire a tax cheat to run the lRS because nobody else was so well qualified.
It will never work?
The mayor has privileges that out number the common employee.
Even 9.5 had special employees who lived outside of city.
CPS had employees living outside city but still enforce the residency rule.
Need simple push by all unions working in city to stand up for rank and file members!
This would force the issue and show that residency has no place in work place conditions of employment.....
GROOT is very DUMB.
GROOT trick was to get her LITTLE FRIEND a JUICY CITY PENSION.
GROOT EASILY could have made her GIRLFRIEND a contractor which would be the go around to residency.
GREED gets them all locked up and civilians love the idea of working a few year buying a boat load of time and getting a pension for life.
KEEP in mind GROOT appoints all Board members in all the city pension funds.
1 member is CMNDR wave at the troopers WODNICKI.
SO residency is NOT A LAW
Enforcing federal laws is OPTIONAL is the MAYOR thinks its wrong
SLIPPERY slope kids....
Great! ending residency will only ruin the city further
Besides nobody wants to buy your house for all the taxes and fees!!!!!
We are the only major city in the country with this residency restriction. Milwaukee used to have it up until the last couple of years, but they’re republican governor, Scott Walker , eliminated it for the entire state of Wisconsin. This is an antiquated requirement and it’s only purpose is to control city employees. LETS FILE A LAWSUIT TO CHALLENGE THIS RIGHT NOW.
So if a copper firefighter gets fired for residency they are to be reinstated with full back pay and seniority winning!
But, BUT, But, if we have a non-residency policy my house will become worthless over night.
Who will pay $300,000 to $400,000 to live in a 60 year old house in a shithole city.
So, I don’t “add value” to the City?
One law for them. Another one for us.
Reminds me of that song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_jWxEIYwI
Demorats always changing the rules to benefit themselves, no wonder people are moving out!
Except our union has no courage to do anything but collect a good check. This would be one of the few opportunities that something could be started. Maybe they can try getting us a new contract signed, its only been 2 years.
I'm more concerned about this contract
She has set the precedent by a form of executive order. This has now become a huge bargaining chip in next contract.
You first.
Teachers have been waiving it in certain circumstances for years
contract at will employee smells of corruption STAY FETAL!
“You knew what you signed up for”. That may be, however, this city wasn’t as much of a shit hole then as it is now. And undesirables weren’t so emboldened and knew to stay out of certain neighborhoods, now it’s a free for all.
The rules are for "the little people" as Barry called us commoners, peons.
"Transparency" has a connotation and a denotation. The brass/elites don't have the same rules the grunts have.
Funny how, to me "known the woman for a long time" sounds like the merit promotions.
Unreal, or like that old song lyric "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Help? The media will chuckle and guffaw at her, as with the raccoon and Dailey.
NOT ILLINOIS. NOT LAW.
World Business Chicago is a public-private non-profit partnership, so I highly doubt she could be considered a city employee subject to the residency requirement, unfortunately..
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If your Paycheck comes from the city's corporate fund ( i.e. Fire,police, streets, etc) then you're a city employee. If the mayor is paying her out of her pocket personally then no. I mean if she adds so much value why not.....hahahaha...yeah right!!!!
Just when you think we couldn’t do worse than Rahm we get Lightfoot.
The Wilmette resident has that “I want to see your Supervisor” haircut
Arbitration NOW! Get ahead of the soon to be striking teachers and the DOW is over 27,000.
The board of education issues an exemption to the residency rules to people that are needed in positions that are hard to fill with qualified employees. Seems to me that the city is having a hard time finding qualified people to fill vacant positions in the Police Department. Maybe they should issue exemptions to qualified employees that are needed to work for the Police. Problem is, who is qualified and who actually works? ;)
I want to know why these Democrats think they don't have to follow the laws. When questioned, they scream "racism" and everyone runs away. Why is this? Where did this arrogance come from?
How about after 20 years of service and then you can reside outside the city. This keeps the promise we made that we would live in the city when we signed up for the job. It preserves the property values as new hires will still be motivated to purchase housing. It preserves the tax base and the nice neighborhoods from collapsing and with it our pension. And it allows people near retirement to get the hell out and not have to deal with city nonsense when their older and sick of the liberal nonsense. It's a good compromise! Get on it fop.
"...those 3 guys that post here constantly about residency just got boners..."
Oh my. You know that I am a public servant and willing to assist in this matter.I
I have to sit down now. I think I am getting a case of the vapors.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
This residency rule is out-dated and needs to be rescinded. No other major city in America has it anymore. Most of the smaller cities in IL have also canned residency. It's complete bullshit that the FOP and PBPA do NOTHING about it. And I'm so tired of hearing from selfish coppers who buy houses on the southwest and northwest side (beyond what they could afford in the first place) crying about losing money on their houses if residency is lifted. It's a bullshit rule that just contributes to the corrupt city having more control over its employees. First and foremost there would not be a mass exodus like everyone assumes if residency is trashed. Yes, some would move out but many will stay. It is well beyond the time for the unions to make a move on this issue. At bare minimum there needs to be some compromise, such as a radius or once an employee has 15 or 20 years on they can move out.
Groot is such a hypocrite. This is just like her being so critical of 2 white alderman (Burke and I forget the other), yet 2 black female alderman (Austin and one other) commit similar misdeeds, and they get a much less harsh response.
Groot. A one-termer for sure.
Lori states that the police have lost control of the streets,You right Einstein,control of the streets in Chicago were lost to the criminals-alderthiefs and poverty pimps.
Anonymous said...
Bellwood, here I come!!!
7/17/2019 12:18:00 AM
Didn't that inflamed, entitled and
avowed RACIST and Police-Hater, Mary Mitchell
flee from her cousins out there to Jackson Park Highlands?
Heh...
A handful of shit and the other hand trying
desperately to catch hold of a wish...
Thanks for MSM for stirring the racial pot with Eric Garner...again. What they don't say is this 6'4 300+ lb unhealthy sleaze bag simply was simply going to be issued an "ANOV" but was uncooperative and combative. It was this sleaze bag who would block entry and exit from multiple minority owned businesses and intimidate store owners and customers. To FORCE the hand on our brothers in the NYPD was all on HIM. They have rewarded once again, this behavior with a 5 million dollar payment and it's STILL not enough. The officer needs to now counter sue the family for the legitimate stress and mental anguish it has caused him. This could have been any of us and it's just a matter of time.
OFF TOPIC: Could you do a post that asks already-retired readers to identify great places to retire, to relocate from Chicago, and reasons why they picked their locations?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why residency. Between the 35,000 CPS employees and the 25,000 city, CPD,CFD, City Hall and all other city departments that constitutes 40,000 taxpayers according to recent Sun Times article 40% of which are making OVER $100,000 per year............
Flawed facts are the foundation of your argument. My wife teaches on the second floor of a CPS school. There are eight classrooms on the floor. She is the only teacher on that floor that resides in the city. The other seven have waivers because their 3rd grade social studies skills are so important. Her principal lives in Orland Park and her assistant principal lives in West Chicago. They pass those waivers out like cotton candy.
I’m already retired otherwise I’d be all in on this.
She can't keep the salary she's getting paid from the city private. If she's a city employee, it's public record.
If she's a contract employee, all city contracts are public record.
Transparency!
Pretty much anyone who challenges residency requirements wins the case. If you can live in Hegewisch and work at O’Hare, you should be able to justify. Add in your second amendment rights being violated due to county and city restrictions. Just a start.
Ask Randy Darlin to just submit the proper paperwork, he already lives in the burbs....
I'm leaving regardless. If they catch me, I will definitely bring this up along with a few other cases. Residency is an antiquated rule that needs to change. If things go south, I am ready to pull the plug. I will also claim that it is not safe for my children to grow up in this city. Public schools are too dangerous. And their education is substandard. Everything is for my children. They are our future. Why stifle them in this city environment?
Bellwood? Melrose Park? At least those arent south suburbs where the taxes are 2x the P & I every month.
Now we know for sure that the Murder Mayor is just as corrupt as Midget Mayor Rahm. This is just another example by passing the rules in order to get their way. Every time she opens here mouth she is lying, scheming and cheating to get her way. We see through you and your phony transparency, accountability, reckoning and socialist style of corrupt governing. You're not a reformer rather you a fraud disguised as a reformer. Add fraudster to your skill set.
You can't afford to loose your dwindling tax base further. You need police, fire and teachers to stay in the city and pay for social justice and poverty shams. You think you have us by the short hairs with residency. Its our money that is your life line little lady. We are fleeing at the first opportunity to bankrupt you, the socialist Democrats and the rest of the Hogs feeding out of the Public Trough. Residency or not we are showing you are ass. You're just the right height to kiss it.
Let's think about this logically. In 2011 the Illinois Supreme Court ruled Rahm was a resident of Chicago, eligible to run for mayor , the highest office in the city , when he was sleeping, residing, and working in Washington DC. The catch was he owned a property that he intended on returning to. So think about this, if you own a property here, that's in your name, your DL is there, and you have belongings there, but you own a second home in the suburbs or Indiana, what court in Illinois could say you are not a Chicago resident based on the precedent that was set by the Rahm residency challenge??
Over 15 years and you should be able to leave
The city ordnance allows for waivers. Cos ordnance allows for waivers. The teachers had residency and yet about 80 types of jobs have waivers. Most teachers and students do not live in the city.
Residency is easy to beat, but expensive & difficult.
City workers must live in city,
spouse & kids can live anywhere they want.
That's the expensive part.
The hard part is the city worker must "live" in place.
Fresh food in refrigerator, uniform & civilian clothes
in closet, US mail, etc,etc,etc.
And you should make it well known where you "live",
invite cops over for beer, poker games, watching football &
baseball games. Include the white shirts, they make great witness.
You can still visit the spouse & kids at "their" house, even stay over night.
I've known several cops & FF who did this, mostly white shirts.
Should you have to, of course not.
What are you willing to give up now for residency?
FULL enforcement of the descent decree?
-2% pay.
No 6,7,8,9th period furloughs? No baby furloughs ever?
Higher medical costs?
No uniform allowance.
No duty availablity.
ALL OF THE ABOVE PLUS MORE?
The FOP could probably get the residency rule lifted. The question is, what would they have to give up for it. Change in disciplinary rules, pay more for insurance, fewer V-days etc. No one gets everything they want in an negotiation, and if they do, it usually does not end well. I was with the UAW for a few years before becoming the police. We won a huge contract, a couple years later the plant was closed.
The residency question has to be resolved in court. FOP may not have standing. Residency is probably unconstitutional and could win in court. Who pays the court costs?
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/forensic-audit-of-the-chicago-police-pension-fund.html#.XR5BdtJ2ZKI.facebook
Anonymous said...
those 3 guys who post here all the time about residency just got boners
7/17/2019 12:59:00 AM
I'm the 4th boner guy. We're starting a residency boner club. You should join. Our first meeting is going to be at the Hall of Boners. Light refreshments will be served.
It not what y’all know it’s who y’all know.
When you get dumped from one clout heavy civic influencer, you wind up at another.
World Business Chicago is run by multi-community organizer CEO Andrea Zopp.
You can figure out the all Chicago connections from that from ShortShanks to obama.
Good help in the anti-police field doesn't come cheap.
There’s no way I would be willing to travel over an hour and a half oneway into and out of this shithole....but in the $150-$200k range with bennies and no time clock....ok, sure why not.
Gorey LightLoafer knows what it’s like to fail at one career and move on to the next with a little help from insiders when there’s an agenda to fill.
No free rides for the CPD from the spiteful hate imp.
Screw LightLoafer.
Stay Fetal.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why residency. Between the 35,000 CPS employees and the 25,000 city, CPD,CFD, City Hall and all other city departments that constitutes 40,000 taxpayers according to recent Sun Times article 40% of which are making OVER $100,000 per year. So lets do the math 40,000 times say an average of $70K equals $2.8 BILLION tax dollars at risk if the city lifts residency. Most of those employees have families so lets say for the sake of argument 50% have working spouses earning $40K per year, that's another $800,000,000 which is probably a low number. Now your looking at $3,600,000,000 in tax dollars at risk of leaving city. Lets say only one half are smart enough to move out so there goes $1.4 Billion in taxable income. Plus since many city employees own their own homes, again for the sake of argument, say 60% of the 20,000 moving families are home owners that is 12,000 being sold. Real estate values in many city workers neighborhoods will crater and neighborhood demographics will chance overnight, think back to "white flight", in the 1960s. Less property values means fewer tax dollars. CPS and private schools will the a huge hit with 20,000 families leaving city. In fact since so many city workers earn so much many elect to send their children to private schools in order to get a good education, those schools will lose so many students that another round of private schools closings will happen. CPS will take a huge hit as well with say 4,000-7,000 fewer students from middle class. So bottom line city cannot and will not give up the residency rule because it will force city into bankruptcy very quickly. Hundreds of millions in lost tax revenue will mean another round of huge city fees and tax increases driving even non city workers out.
7/17/2019 04:53:00 AM
You’re math is flawed. This is like counting democratic votes during elections. Many of CPS employees are not living in the City already. If hired before a certain date they are not required to live in the City. Many CPS teachers receive wavers from the residency rule because of their special teaching skills (sped, math, others?). CPS teachers are known to blatantly disregard the rule and live in the suburbs already. Past and present practice was just to use a city address for employment because no one actually checks. So one of the largest part of the employee base isn’t held to the same rule as the rest of the city workers. Also, city workers all seem to get hitched to each other. There is no extra spouse income to a house when both are on the City’s payroll. I predict what would happen is the die hards would stay. The ones that move would realize they don’t need the City money to survive and dread the drive into the city each day so would eventually find employment elsewhere. Not everyone has an age max. Suburban schools are free. Imagine not having to pay for private schools from preschool through college? The savings wouldn’t require everyone to be working their life away to just get by pay check to pay check. That would open up jobs for the remaining City people to be hired and actually cost less in payroll for the city.
Eventually the dust from the stampede would settle and life would be back to “normal”. Everyone’s home will be sold. Shame on you for not participating in the home value insurance option you already pay for with your taxes. Pbpa asked in a email what issues they would like to see in the contract negotiations. Residency was a choice. When asked about it, the answer basically was they had no plans about even bringing that up. Maybe the union reps should automatically be given a residency waiver when elected. That would give them the opportunity to sell, move and then fight for the freedom to to choose for the rest of us......
The CTA Special Employment Unit provided security outside of Gary Chico’s Chicago address on the midnight shift. Gary was CTA head and really lived in the burbs. More wasted money, just for show.
I drive to my new house in Tennessee every weekend that I have off. Just counting down the days when I see Chicago in my rear view mirror for a final time.
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...........................So bottom line city cannot and will not give up the residency rule because it will force city into bankruptcy very quickly. Hundreds of millions in lost tax revenue will mean another round of huge city fees and tax increases driving even non city workers out.
7/17/2019 04:53:00 AM
Nailed it, spot on. Don't waste your bargaining capitol.
The city better wake up and finally remove the residency requirement. Chicago is missing out on potential large numbers of excellent employees that live in the suburbs. Many years ago being forced to live in Chicago wasn’t a huge turnoff, but today it is. Especially if you reside in the suburbs. Many newly trained teachers and first responders are taking their training to suburban agencies. Even if they lifted residency very few would leave. Just look around your neighborhoods and take note of the large numbers of retirees that have never left. City workers should have the choice.
You can have an apartment in Chicago while your family lives outside the city.
As long as you stay at your city address, part of the week. That should solve that
Hey, how about a dozen guys or so get together and share a unit...
To: That the residency rule is “unbeatable” even though every union like entity that has filed suit and challenged it in court has won
Again, all these other cities and municipalities you refer to ONLY had policies requiring residency. Ours is statutorily.
You've been whining for years. Should have opened this up years ago to nullify the inbred 'Chicago only' nitwits ruining the city. Of course, now, it's too late. Enjoy being paid $90k+ for being a police officer. Because Your unions have been in bed with the city for years and your pension will be gone in 5... what did you do with all that money? It's as bad as what unions did to Detroit. The union convinced an idiot that unskilled labor is a $50/hour job.
i remember claypools minions all got the boot
Bellwood, here I come!!!
7/17/2019 12:18:00 AM
Ewwww. Really? Move to Englewood while you’re at it.
Friggen mayor spends more time in New York than the mayor of New York who is busy campaigning in Iowa. Not wonder both cities are going to shit
Don’t see this as a slam dunk. CPS gives waivers all the time. One exception to a rule or law doesn’t change it. She tried explaining the process for this, so I won’t be signing a contract on a house in the suburbs today. Not happy with what she did, but it doesn’t change anything
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Murdered by Sniper Fire:
Sgt. James SEVERIN
PO Anthony RIZZATO
"Walk and Talk" Community Relations Unit (TF-6)
For details, search Google for "58 Ill. App.3d 938"
Rest In Peace, Jim and Tony.
Bellwood and Melrose Park are slums!
It’s definitely time to revisit the residency rule. Even a soft lift of P.O.s with 15 years seniority would be enough to maintain home value in cop neighborhoods.
I would be happiest keeping this job and commuting from Will or Dupage county.
I suspect the Catholic schools are most against lifting residency for police and fire. Because they know they’ll lose a lot of students to free suburban high schools instead of paying 14k per year per kid at Rice, Rita, Marist and Mcauley.
Residency would be more tolerable if 022 had a true neighborhood CPS school. But Chas is capped at 30% neighbored kids, look it up. 022 doesn’t have a true neighborhood high school, again because I suspect the Catholic high schools would lose much of its student body and close/consolidate.
OT...Breaking news...Lightfoot selects 5 possible sites for a casino. She just picked the worst possible locations. The only one with a slight chance of drawing gamblers is 31st and Cottage. And she’s now paying(wasting)money to a company to do an economic study. Attention Lightfoot!!! No one will drive to the south side or west side to gamble. No tourists or business visitors will leave downtown to go there. You don’t need a study. It’s downtown that attracts people. Put it where the action is. The restaurants, bars, businesses, attractions, hotels etc. You will screw up this one time chance. People will just gamble in the suburbs or Indiana. The idea is to make money!
Expect to lose and need to appeal, maybe all the way.
7/17/2019 02:16:00 AM
You are stroking yourself. The state is under democrat control. That alone dooms your quest, but the final nail in the coffin is the home rule section of the state constitution. Just because other non-Illinois places have been successful when it comes to abolishing residency, do not think their success means there is a path to do the same in Illinois. As written in the past, the city had you hog-tied the very moment you took the job and the only way for a Chicago city employee to escape the residency requirement is to quit, retire or croak.
Lightfoot is a piece of shit just like the rest of these asshole politicians! Reform, transparency, my ass!
let's be honest
ballerina dancer he/she was not a resident when he filed , place rented out , I hope he didn't claim home owner exemption , did not , repeat did not purchase a city vehicle license
he bamboozled , hoodwinked us that's obama talk when he suggested illegals could maybe vote and note get caught
cps does not enforce residency wink wink
SCC please encourage everyone to not attempt to move out of the city while still employed. This would be devastating to the employee, particularly one ready to retire. There is a misconception that the city residency rule has not been successfully enforced; not true. In fact the city has never lost a case regarding residency. Now for the repercussions; you get fired there is no pension for you. You will get what you, and only you, have put into the fund with a meager interest rate, no defined pension of any kind. So, please, do your time and then move. Wait until you no longer want to be employed by the city before using an address outside of the city as your primary residence.
The Officers who can quit tomorrow need to start telling off bosses start standing up to them too!
Caution: DO NOT GET YOUR HOPES UP. Consultants and contractors are NOT city employees. They work under a contract. They are not required to reside in the city of Chicago because there is no residency requirement attached to the contract. The arrangement is not unusual or rare.
They will never lift residency where are not New York.
(With all due respect) this article could have been titled
Lightgroot's List.
I'm almost a week away from going on Clausen Kosher
Dills and Reddi Wip. I'm not Jewish, but I think that
combo would be O.K. Whipped cream on cucumbers?
I'm gonna open up a restaurant where I feed you what
I want and charge you extra for abuse. Great for stag
parties and girls night out.
Undocumented alligator found in Groot LaGoon... captured and detained without due process, now exiled to a detention center in FLA without any blowback.
Let that be a swift reckoning lesson to city workers.
The GR@@T is Watching.
Like the Staples commercial with the Easy button.
That was easy.
OT.
Retired 009 Lieutenant GJK.
You are in the "Remember When-18 October 1967" section of today's Bridgeport News.
You might want to get a copy. It is a very positive, brief article about when you graduated from Marine Corps recruit training.
My Brother is on the inside with the Teachers Union and said no matter what they are going to strike. They think Lightfoot is a one term Mayor at best and lacks negotiation skills and savy. The Union has spies all over the 5th Floor that report she is already in full panic mode if someone, in the CTU who should be a strong allie, turns on her what about the other Unions? Labor strife from multiple Unions in first term will destroy an inexperienced and unconnected Mayor. As for his opinion of the FOP he just laughed and called them buffoons and we won't see a new contract for at least 2 years.
For years firefighters, CTA , Chicago Public School workers were not bothered for living outside the city just us cops. They pick and choose enforcement of the rule. It's bullshit
Detroit, Gary, Hammond, Maywood and other places allow nonresidence. Chicago should too.
7/17/2019 02:16:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Melrose Park is a Tony Suburb. Wilmette is a Toney Suburb. As for me, I'll take a Tony Suburb over a Toney one any day of the week. You can actually get a Italian Beef in a Tony Suburb.
7/17/2019 02:17:00 AM
Normally a surly old fart,,,I actually shocked my spouse and laughed out loud,,
well done sir, well done
So this would mean that Chicago retirees could actually stay in place after the pin is pulled??? No watching the encroachment of the Community into their fortified areas, lower taxes, etc. Civil Rights for Civil Service finally. We shall overcome!
The only city employees that would move out to the suburbs, if residency were lifted, are the ones with school age children in private schools. There will not be a mass exodus as some on this blog predict. I have an idea though, if the residency requirement were to be removed, I want an income tax levied upon all who reside outside the city and are employed within the city limits. I am sick and tired of sitting in traffic with all the suburbanites commuting to their Chicago jobs and then taking their paychecks back to the suburbs. This could be the revenue source that solves the pension problem without taxing the Chicago property owner into oblivion. The Chicago income tax would also give incentive to live in the city that is providing you with an income that supports your family.
So lets see if there were no residency and 25-30K city employees and their families moved out of city what would happen? Some really nice neighborhoods would become trash. Those neighborhoods would lose massive home values, 25-30% overnight. The city would lose valuable taxpayers and 10s of millions of tax dollars. Those homes would be revalued and another huge tax hit. Add this to the already admitted larger than known budget deficit spells real trouble ahead. All because the Midget Mayor made another stupid decision. City is doomed I tell you doomed.
7/17/2019 04:08:00 AM
So those city employees and families should be held hostage in order to allow the status quo at city hall to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic? Life goes on my friend, and if they geniuses at city small lose this captive audience they will either have to get their collective sh*t together and encourage honest investment or allow the Community to turn the place into Detroit. Either way, city and municipal employees should not be the overtaxed, overburdened oxen for the libtards running this zoo. Who know, fiscal responsibility may actually be attained. Well, if pigs can fly, but we can dream
FIRST! I Heard a rumor about that and I hope it’s not true otherwise there will be a reckoning
Studies hane shown in those cities where residency had been lifted only a small percentage of city employees moved
10 year residency like in boston(and no i dont have 10 years on) . This way is gives officers a chance to leave if they want, and it wouldnt affect the housing market because there will be a constant flow of city workers moving in. Also if you actually look at cities like Milwaukee, once residency was lifted the city was surprised that ALOT less city workers left than they expected. In fact city real estate actualy went up in Milwaukee after residency was lifted. However chicago is a diffrent animal and thats why the 10year model would be the safest change in my opinion. Both Pittsburg fop and milwaukee who are the two most recent cities to lift residency agreed its not as difficult as portrayed it can be done but we need our union to push for it.
If residency was lifted, home values in the city would plummet. At the same time, neighboring suburbs would see a rise in the prices people get for selling to all the city workers. Plus the taxes are a lot more on houses in Orland, Tinley and Mokena.
You mean all those idiots from Iowa, Kentucky, & Ohio moving to Wrigleyville because it's "so cool to live in Wrigleyville" won't offset those that flee the city?
I've been living in Glenview past 18 years. I just know to not talk about it with anybody.
Don’t try to scare me into thinking that I will lose my pension because the city will go bankrupt if they lift residency . Milwaukee didn’t go bankrupt. No city has gone bankrupt due to lifting residency requirements on city workers. Not everyone is going to leave and those that do are not going to give their homes away for free. They will sell their homes to someone with enough of an income to afford it. The new homeowners will then pay the taxes that you think will disappear. Same stupid argument from same stupid people .
Anonymous said...
I add value to the Department!
???
7/17/2019 05:12:00 AM
Stewed prunes add "bulk"
to one's diet too...
OT but was the Cook County forest preserve’s police chief who had to resign for ticket fixing a merit hack? What he did for an unnamed politician reeks of merit hack activity.
My wife has been a CPS teacher at Whitney Young for 21 years. She still loves her job and has been active with the union and attends most of the CTU meetings. With this crew there is no doubt they are going to strike no matter what. She is disgusted by the thought of striking and the CTU’S greed while I have been without a contract for 2 years with no end in sight. FOP better get more aggressive or we’ll end up with crumbs.
public-private non-profit partnership
Sweet little deal they have there: Public Agency Power, none of therestraints or requirements. Don't even need to pay tax.
Kinda like the Federal Reserve, also a private Bank with a Piblic Charter.
Remember Than hired some goof for a aviation boss and waived residency until he finally decided the commute was too long a finally moved into the city when it was convenient for him
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ask Randy Darlin to just submit the proper paperwork, he already lives in the burbs....
7/17/2019 09:17:00 AM
LaGrange to be exact.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why residency. Between the 35,000 CPS employees and the 25,000 city, CPD,CFD, City Hall and all other city departments that constitutes 40,000 taxpayers according to recent Sun Times article 40% of which are making OVER $100,000 per year. So lets do the math 40,000 times say an average of $70K equals $2.8 BILLION tax dollars at risk if the city lifts residency. Most of those employees have families so lets say for the sake of argument 50% have working spouses earning $40K per year, that's another $800,000,000 which is probably a low number. Now your looking at $3,600,000,000 in tax dollars at risk of leaving city. Lets say only one half are smart enough to move out so there goes $1.4 Billion in taxable income. Plus since many city employees own their own homes, again for the sake of argument, say 60% of the 20,000 moving families are home owners that is 12,000 being sold. Real estate values in many city workers neighborhoods will crater and neighborhood demographics will chance overnight, think back to "white flight", in the 1960s. Less property values means fewer tax dollars. CPS and private schools will the a huge hit with 20,000 families leaving city. In fact since so many city workers earn so much many elect to send their children to private schools in order to get a good education, those schools will lose so many students that another round of private schools closings will happen. CPS will take a huge hit as well with say 4,000-7,000 fewer students from middle class. So bottom line city cannot and will not give up the residency rule because it will force city into bankruptcy very quickly. Hundreds of millions in lost tax revenue will mean another round of huge city fees and tax increases driving even non city workers out.
7/17/2019 04:53:00 AM
Everything you said makes sense. However, while the powers that be in Chicago may want the residency rule, it doesn’t mean it could keep it if were challenged in court. And wouldn’t that mass exodus finally clarify who really keeps the wheels on in this City?
If residency was voided by a challenge in court, and everyone decided to moved out, who would the politicians blame when the City imploded? They’d finally have to turn on the very people they are constantly pandering to.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why residency. Between the 35,000 CPS employees and the 25,000 city, CPD,CFD, City Hall and all other city departments that constitutes 40,000 taxpayers according to recent Sun Times article 40% of which are making OVER $100,000 per year. So lets do the math 40,000 times say an average of $70K equals $2.8 BILLION tax dollars at risk if the city lifts residency. Most of those employees have families so lets say for the sake of argument 50% have working spouses earning $40K per year, that's another $800,000,000 which is probably a low number. Now your looking at $3,600,000,000 in tax dollars at risk of leaving city. Lets say only one half are smart enough to move out so there goes $1.4 Billion in taxable income. Plus since many city employees own their own homes, again for the sake of argument, say 60% of the 20,000 moving families are home owners that is 12,000 being sold. Real estate values in many city workers neighborhoods will crater and neighborhood demographics will chance overnight, think back to "white flight", in the 1960s. Less property values means fewer tax dollars. CPS and private schools will the a huge hit with 20,000 families leaving city. In fact since so many city workers earn so much many elect to send their children to private schools in order to get a good education, those schools will lose so many students that another round of private schools closings will happen. CPS will take a huge hit as well with say 4,000-7,000 fewer students from middle class. So bottom line city cannot and will not give up the residency rule because it will force city into bankruptcy very quickly. Hundreds of millions in lost tax revenue will mean another round of huge city fees and tax increases driving even non city workers out.
7/17/2019 04:53:00 AM
You’re math is flawed. This is like counting democratic votes during elections. Many of CPS employees are not living in the City already. If hired before a certain date they are not required to live in the City. Many CPS teachers receive wavers from the residency rule because of their special teaching skills (sped, math, others?). CPS teachers are known to blatantly disregard the rule and live in the suburbs already. Past and present practice was just to use a city address for employment because no one actually checks. So one of the largest part of the employee base isn’t held to the same rule as the rest of the city workers. Also, city workers all seem to get hitched to each other. There is no extra spouse income to a house when both are on the City’s payroll. I predict what would happen is the die hards would stay. The ones that move would realize they don’t need the City money to survive and dread the drive into the city each day so would eventually find employment elsewhere. Not everyone has an age max. Suburban schools are free. Imagine not having to pay for private schools from preschool through college? The savings wouldn’t require everyone to be working their life away to just get by pay check to pay check. That would open up jobs for the remaining City people to be hired and actually cost less in payroll for the city.
Eventually the dust from the stampede would settle and life would be back to “normal”. Everyone’s home will be sold. Shame on you for not participating in the home value insurance option you already pay for with your taxes. Pbpa asked in a email what issues they would like to see in the contract negotiations. Residency was a choice. When asked about it, the answer basically was they had no plans about even bringing that up. Maybe the union reps should automatically be given a residency waiver when elected. That would give them the opportunity to sell, move and then fight for the freedom to to choose for the rest of us......
7/17/2019 10:32:00 AM
The city is a pyramid scheme.....
There is only one way to defeat the City.
Force them to defend everything in court.
Grieve and litigate everything. Everytime you see your alderman or state legislator, get in their face and make it unpleasant for them. Bully and harass them, especially in front of their families. Make them afraid to leave their homes. Make them rue the day they got in politics. Ostracize the spouses and children of elected officials and exempt personnel. Turn the tables. Do not make any verbal threats but make them fear for their safety. You have the power. USE IT.
Mike the cityworker
I say that we all flee to Area 51.
The city doesn't want to attract suburban recruits. They want them straight out da hood.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT...Breaking news...Lightfoot selects 5 possible sites for a casino. She just picked the worst possible locations. The only one with a slight chance of drawing gamblers is 31st and Cottage. And she’s now paying(wasting)money to a company to do an economic study. Attention Lightfoot!!! No one will drive to the south side or west side to gamble. No tourists or business visitors will leave downtown to go there. You don’t need a study. It’s downtown that attracts people. Put it where the action is. The restaurants, bars, businesses, attractions, hotels etc. You will screw up this one time chance. People will just gamble in the suburbs or Indiana. The idea is to make money!
I completely agree with you. I was thinking the same thing.
Casinos alone are not money generators. They need to attract gamblers to do that.
I know why she’s choosing these sights... she’s only Mayor to “the community”.... but is she really that dense and short sighted??
If the city hires and promotes people based on whether they somehow "add value", why can't they selectively waive the residency rule based on that as well?
Watching Fox News, sounds like Chicago is a third world country. I do know that the police are not losing the streets in my new retirement subdivision just outside of Nashville. 🇺🇸
OT... on the news Lightfoot wants the Chicago Police to do more to curb the crime, “we are loosing the streets” she says. Dear Mayor, you can’t turn back the hands of time. Enjoy the ride. Police don’t care anymore. They know their hands are tied so if crime goes up it has nothing to do with the police. My conscience is clean.
The mayor wants the casino in predominantly African-american areas. Is this to extend a predatory basis to further place the community in debt? Sad, very sad.
Indiana wants me. Here I come lower taxes no gas tax or food tax on groceries. Thanks Groot. Boy your dumb. This won’t be the In God We Trust State’ it will be “ I swear ferr God state”
I’m thinking Maywood
Make Maywood Great Again.....
SCC please encourage everyone to not attempt to move out of the city while still employed. This would be devastating to the employee, particularly one ready to retire. There is a misconception that the city residency rule has not been successfully enforced; not true. In fact the city has never lost a case regarding residency. Now for the repercussions; you get fired there is no pension for you. You will get what you, and only you, have put into the fund with a meager interest rate, no defined pension of any kind. So, please, do your time and then move. Wait until you no longer want to be employed by the city before using an address outside of the city as your primary residence.
7/17/2019 01:35:00 PM
Plus, if you get caught, that means they have an open number on you. Quickly retiring before being fired gets the heat off of you, but you will be retiring from the job under investigation. That means no retired star and no retired identification card for the people without connections.
OT...Breaking news...Lightfoot selects 5 possible sites for a casino. She just picked the worst possible locations. The only one with a slight chance of drawing gamblers is 31st and Cottage. And she’s now paying(wasting)money to a company to do an economic study. Attention Lightfoot!!! No one will drive to the south side or west side to gamble. No tourists or business visitors will leave downtown to go there. You don’t need a study. It’s downtown that attracts people. Put it where the action is. The restaurants, bars, businesses, attractions, hotels etc. You will screw up this one time chance. People will just gamble in the suburbs or Indiana. The idea is to make money!
7/17/2019 01:07:00 PM
She is fully aware, but you have to look a little deeper for the reason she tossed four economically challenged locations into the mix of five.
The big difference between Chicago and the other cities that have lost residency is taxes. The Machine has made it so expensive stay in city that given the choice a much larger percentage will move out to avoid urgent and coming taxes. Many will go over the border to In, WI and Ia to beat the state taxes as well. So be very careful what you wish for at might not be a bed of roses.
Residency is the only thing keeping Chiraq from truly going into the shitter. If cops and fire were allowed to move out, kiss this city and your pension goodbye. If all city workers were allowed to move outside of Chicago, it would be a disaster of epic proportions. Can you imagine the price drop in our houses if everybody suddenly put up for sale signs?
We would have to be idiots to stay in Illinois and pay the higher taxes when we could move to Indiana and still drive here for work.
There are 35,274 city employees in the city of 2.7 million. We make up .013%, that's a tenth of percent.
If all the city employees leave the city do you really think it would make a difference? It would make none. That's not the reason why we're being held here.
Hey 4:44 keep your head in the sand. They said GM couldn't go down. What happened. Milwaukee is not Chicago by and stretch of the imagination, doesn't have CPS and CPD pension debt, that is by the way BILLIONS of dollars. They are trying very to tax their way out of the problem but so far not one dollar of and new taxes in last several years have been deposited in the pension accounts. Weed and Casinos are the latest ideas and but those dollars have been spoken for by the CPS teachers and Jabba The Butt in Springfield to help out the State 140BILLION pension problem. Go ahead and think your pension is safe, but don't come crying to the blog when, not if, the city files. The facts are there for you to see just open your eyes and make plans for the worst.
I'm leaving regardless. If they catch me, I will definitely bring this up along with a few other cases. Residency is an antiquated rule that needs to change. If things go south, I am ready to pull the plug. I will also claim that it is not safe for my children to grow up in this city. Public schools are too dangerous. And their education is substandard. Everything is for my children. They are our future. Why stifle them in this city environment?
7/17/2019 09:22:00 AM
If they have caught you that means they have a number on you. If they have a number on you, and you pull the plug, you will be leaving the job under investigation. That means no retired star and no retired identification card. If you are okay with it, then do as you please.
BTW, all the reasons and feelings you plan to present do not mean a thing. You will be wasting your breath and their time. They do not give a hoot about your feelings and reasons.
I've been living in Glenview past 18 years. I just know to not talk about it with anybody.
7/17/2019 04:12:00 PM
Why not talk about it? You retired 18 years ago. You were a prisoner for so long, you think you still have to reside in the city!
We don't need no stinking tourists at our Casinos. Build them in the Ghettos and the community will come. Better have lots of armed security in those Ghetto locations. Maybe even invest in bullet proof buses to haul folks in and out. If they are targeting parking garages on the Gold Coast imagine what Austin and The Wood will be like. Carjacking will go thru the roof. Getting to any community Casino will like Clint Eastwood driving that bus thru a hail of gunfire. But come the First and Fifteenth of each month the Casino will be fill. Empty on the 2nd and 16th though. More poverty in the community because the Casino took the food and clothing money. Then what happens, crime moves to the neighborhoods that have money. So go ahead Midget Grout and build them in this disadvantaged areas and watch them get even more disadvantaged.
(OT) Lying pos Toni says what:
Chicago’s top cop ‘must stop misleading the public’ about violence, Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle says in heated letter to Mayor Lori Lightfoot
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-met-preckwinkle-lightfoot-violence-reduction-20190718-lkk7gdxmz5cfjo6ajhqeknx4ey-story.html
Excerpt:
The problem we have is that the Police Department in the city of Chicago is not arresting people for murders and shootings,” Preckwinkle told the Tribune on Wednesday, pointing to the department’s low clearance rates for violent crimes compared with national averages.
No moron the problem we have is liberal democrats that don’t do their jobs and pandering to the thugs and illegal criminals, your the biggest problem Toni an absolute failure just like your Hollywood hunting crook county so called states attorneys crimesha! Toni The blood is on your hands and Kimmy’s hands how many funerals have you been to? How many hospitals have you visited where people have been ventilated due to your policies your hand picked judge is allowing the criminals to run free when they are quite this is your fault you have done this the best U can decide the right is your resignation along with Kim’s that would be a start now to STFU!
Heard there have been recent discussions at state and city level to legalize prostitution. Talk about getting desperate. This could get interesting in a hurry. Lots of tourist possibilities here. Also a bunch of tax possibilities. Never say never, who would have thought that Weed was the next big thing.
study is code for pay to play
Sophia “I’m friends with the Obamas king” is against the Michael Reese site because it’s the only site that makes sense. Since her crook lobbyist husband who is a buddy of Kwame Raoul and Ruiz, two machine scum, this must be what Rahm wants her to do. Her husband has had ethics issues which he was cleared of by crooked Steve Berlin and William Conlon. King calls herself a progressive but she is a machine Rahm/Preckwinkle hack. Her and her husband must be watched very carefully as she is totally in the bag with Rahm and his buddies.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh look and then over here we have the mayor employing people from winnetka
My daughter and I are sick of these people coming in on the west end of 8
7/17/2019 05:03:00 AM
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You should be grateful that anyone with any money comes to the vacant storefront wasteland known as 811. The only businesses there are Potbelly and Weber’s. Everything else is the piss-smell “chili bar” (that wouldn’t pass a building inspection except that the owner is a ward hack gifted a city job he had no qualifications for) or a shitty dive bar full of St. Laurence and QOP burnouts telling glory days stories from 25 years ago. What the hell do you care where money spenders are from? Send jagoffs from Wrigleyville for all I care. Maybe if enough money is spent on “the west end of 8” we can have all the amenities that the ghetto has, like fancy light poles, wrought iron fencing, and nice parks.
The FOP is in bed with the city on residence, it will not serve it's members because the FOP uses this as a braining chip, it allows the City of Chicago to keep us here.
Don’t try to scare me into thinking that I will lose my pension because the city will go bankrupt if they lift residency . Milwaukee didn’t go bankrupt. No city has gone bankrupt due to lifting residency requirements on city workers. Not everyone is going to leave and those that do are not going to give their homes away for free. They will sell their homes to someone with enough of an income to afford it. The new homeowners will then pay the taxes that you think will disappear. Same stupid argument from same stupid people .
7/17/2019 04:44:00 PM
You must be using LSD. You are hallucinating.. Chicago is not Milwaukee. Just because it worked somewhere else does not mean it will work here. Besides, where are you going to find all these new homeowners with jobs and income and pride in their residence and not interested in operating a criminal enterprise? It is always the same stupid people with their heads in the sand and in denial of the obvious and the reality of human nature.
There's kitchen staff an school secretaries that live outside Chicago. Goudy Elementary.
Every one call iAd and ask what parameters you need to stay in to maintain residency. They won’t tell you and they get flustered, it’s amusing
“In fact the city has never lost a case regarding residency. Now for the repercussions; you get fired there is no pension for you. You will get what you, and only you, have put into the fund with a meager interest rate, no defined pension of any kind.”
How many times do we have to go over this ? Getting fired from this job does not mean you lose your pension. In the case of being fired over residency you still keep your pension. You have to be convicted of a felony under the color of law to lose it.
Residency is dead but no one will discuss it. A suburban officer in a township with a residency requirement was fired but said officer owns a condo in the township he was employed by. He sued based on the Rahm ruling and won on appeal. IL S/C declined to hear the issue. The courts have ruled what the residency requirement is according to them!
Separate issue but intertwined - teachers strike and every CPD officer must use family leave act to stay home and watch their child. since the city will forces us by contract to stay in the city we by contract are held hostage and forced into emergency leave due to harm delt us by the city. Stay home to tutor and protect your children the city crime rate is down as they keep telling us, and no one appreciates you anyway!
The city will be fine. We are the problem anyways, move out of the way and let the mayor show us how it is done!
One point about the suburb tax rates:
The taxes are higher and the schools are better. So you don't have the bite of private school tuition.
But when the kids are done with school, the tuition-tax contines.
every communist domain has a wall and border guards to keep there subjects in. chicagos residency is no different. expect an exit tax in the peoples republiks of illinois, new yawk, and kalifornicate before this is over. you can run but you cant hide from the commies tax man. the free shit army bees hongry !
Here is a little tid bit most don't know. the city actually pays private investigators to follow child to verify their residency for school admission reasons. the irony there
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've been living in Glenview past 18 years. I just know to not talk about it with anybody.
7/17/2019 04:12:00 PM
Retired CPD northwest side
We want to get out of the city and have spent a lot of time in Glenview shopping, dining etc. Although we have not looked at houses yet we like the area. We ran into a guy that has a small business in the city and lives there and says he is moving out of there when he retires as the property taxes are really high because of school districts. He said you could do better in Northbrook.
What the FOP (or the PBPA for that matter) needs now is someone maxed out, of retirement age who can quit tomorrow to move out of the city and file the Change of Address form to show suburban residency and dare the city to bring a charge against them.
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I've been saying this since the Illinois Supreme Court defined residency in the Rahm "wedding dress in the basement" case as simply "intent to return ... at some point."
One addition I'd like to make is that you'd have to have IAD on board to actually investigate the residency. I am told it is a long and difficult investigation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've been living in Glenview past 18 years. I just know to not talk about it with anybody.
7/17/2019 04:12:00 PM
Retired CPD northwest side
We want to get out of the city and have spent a lot of time in Glenview shopping, dining etc. Although we have not looked at houses yet we like the area. We ran into a guy that has a small business in the city and lives there and says he is moving out of there when he retires as the property taxes are really high because of school districts. He said you could do better in Northbrook.
7/18/2019 02:22:00 AM
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You're soft in the head to even look in Illinois. Generally, Illinois property tax is in the 2% range. I don't think there is any cap, statutorily. They just had a 2 flat valued at $150k on the news where the tax was in the area of 4%. In Indiana the tax is capped at 1%. I'd love to live in Glenview, but if you can manage to find a house for $600k, you'd pay a grand a month in taxes, at least. In Indiana you'd cut that in half.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t try to scare me into thinking that I will lose my pension because the city will go bankrupt if they lift residency . Milwaukee didn’t go bankrupt. No city has gone bankrupt due to lifting residency requirements on city workers. Not everyone is going to leave and those that do are not going to give their homes away for free. They will sell their homes to someone with enough of an income to afford it. The new homeowners will then pay the taxes that you think will disappear. Same stupid argument from same stupid people .
7/17/2019 04:44:00 PM
You must be using LSD. You are hallucinating.. Chicago is not Milwaukee. Just because it worked somewhere else does not mean it will work here. Besides, where are you going to find all these new homeowners with jobs and income and pride in their residence and not interested in operating a criminal enterprise? It is always the same stupid people with their heads in the sand and in denial of the obvious and the reality of human nature.
7/17/2019 10:19:00 PM
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Another CPS math prodigy speaks.
10,000 cops, maybe 5,000 bail in a city of 3M. is .3%, .6% if all bail. Make it 1% if you add firemen.
Get over yourself, the realty market will not collapse. Goof.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've been living in Glenview past 18 years. I just know to not talk about it with anybody.
7/17/2019 04:12:00 PM
Retired CPD northwest side
We want to get out of the city and have spent a lot of time in Glenview shopping, dining etc. Although we have not looked at houses yet we like the area. We ran into a guy that has a small business in the city and lives there and says he is moving out of there when he retires as the property taxes are really high because of school districts. He said you could do better in Northbrook.
7/18/2019 02:22:00 AM"
It's extremely difficult to "drive" away from high property taxes in the collar counties of Chicago unless you want to live in a cornfield. You think taxes are high in Chicago???? Kane, Lake, Dupage etc.. are astronomical.
Plus, if you get caught, that means they have an open number on you. Quickly retiring before being fired gets the heat off of you, but you will be retiring from the job under investigation. That means no retired star and no retired identification card for the people without connections.
7/17/2019 08:48:00 PM
Not always true. Depends on the number.
You dont have to live in the city, you just have to have a residence in the city. I moved out and spent my last ten years on the job living at my SUMMER home.
"...I've been living in Glenwood for 18 years...'
I'm with IAD. I tracked you on this site. I gotcha now. See that rental car in the corner? Keep looking over your shoulder.
The ONLY 2 police departments in Illinois that require residency is Rosemont and CPD.
The Hall of Boners name is already taken. It is the bathhouse where Barack, Rahm, and moi frequent.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
You all make me laugh...there will be a mass exodus, home values will plummet, there will be mass loss in tax revenue, Chicago will be the next Detroit, cats and dogs living together mass hysteria.. Here's the truth, we have heard that fertilizer so much that we actually have believed it to be gospel. Let's take a step back and think about this. Let's say they lift residency, you might get 25% of the work force who have the ability to bolt immediately. You gotta figure that 50% of the remaining city workers will put their homes on the market and leave after they sell. While on the market, you know the homeowners are going to continue to pay their mortgage water bill and property taxes. No one is stupid enough to walk away from the mortgage or tax bill because then their credit gets smashed. When a home does sell, the parties involved have to pay a 10.5% transfer fee (see, the city is going to make money) and when tax time comes around, has anyone ever seen property taxes go down? Even if you appeal, it only gets rolled back a little.
The remaining 25% will stay because this is all they know and are comfortable living where they are.
Lifting residency will not only allow the city to attract more and better candidates for the jobs, but it will promote more integration
and give those who live in violent areas of the city the opportunity to move into safer neighborhoods.
What paperwork did randy Darlin submit. I would like to submit same paperwork
Mike the cityworker
7/17/2019 05:38:00 PM
You better be careful. All that frothing at the mouth might mean a trip to the vet for the hot shot.
Anonymous said...
Here is a little tid bit most don't know. the city actually pays private investigators to follow child to verify their residency for school admission reasons. the irony there
7/18/2019 01:35:00 AM
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That’s bullshit OR.... it’s selective surveillance. If any “PIs” are reading go to the Agg H.S. in the morning and stand on the sidewalk next to the ONLY driveway entrance into the HS. You will observe 1/2 of the cars dropping kids off with suburban city stickers. My child went to the Agg and I was amazed with how many suburban kids went to this school. I stuck up a conversation with the retired CPD (not the weirdo) and the retired copper said the school is fully aware of the issue but there are certain suburbs like Alsip, Midlothian, and Robbins that get a pass... he estimated 35% of the school was using bs city address and living in the suburbs.
nonymous said...
So this would mean that Chicago retirees could actually stay in place after the pin is pulled??? No watching the encroachment of the Community into their fortified areas, lower taxes, etc. Civil Rights for Civil Service finally. We shall overcome!
7/17/2019 03:02:00 PM
Why would a retired couple stay in Chicago? You worked hard and now you punish yourself by staying in Chicago? There is life outside of Chicago. Leave cook county. If you have family, stay within a 3 hr drive but move! Otherwise you cannot complain. Soon there will not be a "fortified area". Public housing is in the very near future. You cannot overcome a battle you lost.
ST. LOUIS (AP) — St. Louis Police Chief John Hayden is calling for the repeal of the city's residency requirement so his department can hire more officers to combat violence.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that Hayden said in a video posted Wednesday on social media that the department is 147 officers down from authorized strength of 1,328 officers.
Firefighters and police with seven years' service are allowed to live outside the city, but other employees aren't. Mayor Lyda Krewson urged aldermen in May to ask voters to repeal it for most city workers. - This article is from last month.
Add in nyc, Los Angeles and how many other of the biggest cities in the USA have no ball and chain on its workers.
If you think that 35,000 taxpayers leaving the city won't be felt your delusional. First the 35,000 is closer to 80,000 when you factor families. In many instances there are working spouses. All the city workers neighborhoods would crater overnight. Private schools would be closing and real estate values in the better neighborhoods would plummet. Get a grip on reqlity before you start spouting off your.013 nonsense.
Police arrest courts letsnthem go. Who is at fault. DEFEND THAT SCENARIO, BITCH.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh look and then over here we have the mayor employing people from winnetka
My daughter and I are sick of these people coming in on the west end of 8
7/17/2019 05:03:00 AM
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You should be grateful that anyone with any money comes to the vacant storefront wasteland known as 811. The only businesses there are Potbelly and Weber’s. Everything else is the piss-smell “chili bar” (that wouldn’t pass a building inspection except that the owner is a ward hack gifted a city job he had no qualifications for) or a shitty dive bar full of St. Laurence and QOP burnouts telling glory days stories from 25 years ago. What the hell do you care where money spenders are from? Send jagoffs from Wrigleyville for all I care. Maybe if enough money is spent on “the west end of 8” we can have all the amenities that the ghetto has, like fancy light poles, wrought iron fencing, and nice parks.
7/17/2019 09:59:00 PM
Hey we have da Jewels (7cents a bag!) and Aldi too! And Danny’s and Home Run Inn!
But you’re right, the rest of it is vacant shops or crap ghetto stores selling CBD/Kratom, tattoos, nails, cheap cell phone plans, and a bunch of barbers. Basically west side economics. I’m also for anyone coming in and spending money in the neighborhood.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm leaving regardless. If they catch me, I will definitely bring this up along with a few other cases. Residency is an antiquated rule that needs to change. If things go south, I am ready to pull the plug. I will also claim that it is not safe for my children to grow up in this city. Public schools are too dangerous. And their education is substandard. Everything is for my children. They are our future. Why stifle them in this city environment?
Bringing it up has no legal standing. It’s like saying the guy next to me was speeding too or the other guy ran the red light too
Unlike Groot's hyphenated, you police do not "add value" to the City of Chicago, in fact you all cost value to the city as you beat and shoot hundreds if not thousands of aspiring rappers and astrophysics students of the community every few days as the MSM says.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t try to scare me into thinking that I will lose my pension because the city will go bankrupt if they lift residency . Milwaukee didn’t go bankrupt. No city has gone bankrupt due to lifting residency requirements on city workers. Not everyone is going to leave and those that do are not going to give their homes away for free. They will sell their homes to someone with enough of an income to afford it. The new homeowners will then pay the taxes that you think will disappear. Same stupid argument from same stupid people .
Good point. Right now how many retired police and fire along with other city employees still live in Chicago? Thousands , probably half or more, They have no residency restriction, but choose to stay for whatever reason
Not everybody that can leave does
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency is the only thing keeping Chiraq from truly going into the shitter. If cops and fire were allowed to move out, kiss this city and your pension goodbye. If all city workers were allowed to move outside of Chicago, it would be a disaster of epic proportions. Can you imagine the price drop in our houses if everybody suddenly put up for sale signs?
We would have to be idiots to stay in Illinois and pay the higher taxes when we could move to Indiana and still drive here for work.
There are 35,274 city employees in the city of 2.7 million. We make up .013%, that's a tenth of percent.
If all the city employees leave the city do you really think it would make a difference? It would make none. That's not the reason why we're being held here.
Someone finally gets the BIG picture. Go to River north, downtown and anywhere on the near north , not to mention Logan Sguare, etc. young people are moving into Chicago. Have some friends that lived in the suburbs, raised their kids in the suburbs and are now downsizing to a condo on the near north or downtown. Their kids are also renting and buying in Chicago to be in that area
1258am - 07/18/19
Please Shut the fuck up with this Communist Bullshit !
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