Nickel and Dime Time (UPDATE)
Lunch denied? Late relief?
Even a quarter-of-an-hour per day adds up (click for larger version):
Even a quarter-of-an-hour per day adds up (click for larger version):
Every single union nationwide has won grievances regarding punching a time clock. Everything past your scheduled quitting time is payable. No "I'll take care of you later" or "I owe you one." And that includes time in the locker room preparing for the shift or putting away equipment after the shift.
If Groot wants this to be a factory job, she's going to pay like factory workers get paid.
UPDATE: And overtime becomes pensionable in many other cases? Sounds fantastic!
UPDATE: And overtime becomes pensionable in many other cases? Sounds fantastic!
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
166 Comments:
Not in our contract to punch in or out.
You gonna run this like Alfred P. Sloan,
you pay us like General Motors
SCC: This is breaking news. Reliable sources at O'Hare say they are awaiting the arrival of Blago's plane. Cannot say if it is a Pardon or Commutation. Baby "G"
Learn your contract. Get to know your stewards.
Document everything! If something does happen, document everything, and ask any witnesses to also make notes for their own memory.
Work with the city to get every dime and everything you are owed in exchange for a fair and full shift keeping the city safe.
Will this have any effect on the little girl at Area North that keeps the homicide files in order?
Or the other girl with 5 years on that only works 5 hours a night in youth??
And please remember to bring in some heads.
How about striking like factory workers? How many years without a contract? How high are my taxes going up?
I just don’t care any more.
Groot obviously prides herself in being a micromanager extraordinaire. Instead of looking at city employees as a way to save money, she should look at the leeches of society who drain our capital without ever contributing a dime. But, in true communist fashion, the working taxpayer is always punished. I really hope that the leeches and their enabling politicians will all burn in Hell for their crimes against humanity.
Will they distribute separate time cards for cloted and non-clouted cops?
How will they know if you are following the necessary rules if they don't know your clout status?
I'm looking forward to this.
All my old buddies, still on tac, coming back to the watch. No new guys aspiring because working until 0400 on weekends pretty much takes you out of the gene pool.
It will be wired seeing both LT's at the same time.
Fuck it, I'm in.
Everyone must make sacrifices! Will the CPD contract be for 2%, 0%, or -2% pay?
I'll punch in an out. With the manpower shortage, pay me my lunch i dont often get and Ill take a day off every 17 days.
Has the FOP filed for Arbitration yet?
It’s already like a fuckin’ East German Trabant factory.
Nobody gives a fuck.
Paying me Groot.
Love to see some of the inside people in the Forensic unit actually have to stay there full tour. That also includes that big belly JK in firearms actually swiping in at 7am not 11am to begin his tour.
She's going after AFSME's medical time.
She's trying to help not only manage abusive sick time, I would assume she's trying to make it harder for the old dinosaurs out there to put up with the new shit they keep shoveling on them. I got news for you Groot, before mostly the female officers took a 20 and out or a few more years, now EVERYONE wants 20 or a few extra and hit the road. The old days with some fossil waiting until he hit mandatory retirement age with like 35 years on the job are long gone. The job sucks so much you can't wait to leave and start a new phase in your life without this unneeded horseshit you give us, still a relatively young man or woman.
Every person from Lt and above dam well better be monitored.
One million plus settlement to PO bullied and yelled at by Officer VZ---while they worked together in News Affairs---certainly no surpirsie that the king of verbal abuse beefs in 018 foot continues to act the fool and get away with it...CPD never learns.
Yet when teachers say the EXACT same thing, everyone on SCC loses their minds...why? One of these days we will all learn we are brothers and sisters in the same struggle. As a CPS teacher, I hope you get every $ you are entitled to...and I hope you want the same for us.
If you earn money, get out now:
beleaguered Chicago taxpayers on Aug. 29 — by disclosing a shortfall that tops $1 billion
Yeah, time clocks are a bitch.
Had to use one for about 10 years.
The fucking bookkeeper didn't think the odd minutes
added up to quarter and half hours (or at least
pretended to). So it was more or less a fight every
week. Take photos of your time cards, boys.
i wonder how many coppers don’t put in for time they are made to hand around an extra 1/2 hour. This is going to cost much more than Groot will like. Put that time in.
So, does this mean Mayor Nitwit can’t get paid when jetting off to rub elbows on meaningless political junkets?
Mayor Nitwit is worried about pennies, while dollars go up in smoke elsewhere.
Department should be raked over the coals on both ends...not enforcing the swipe in /swipe out work entire tour rules AND the stay few minutes late/ no overtime in hq practice which screws coppers out of a lot of dough...since most will stay when needed, do work when off the clock
Thank you, I went to bed with sugar plums dancing in my head. Pensionable overtime.
On Punching In:
Lightfoot: “These are non-negotiable expectations for every City employee REGARDLESS OF POSITION TITLE OR FUNCTION.”
Good and effective leaders lead by example. Even though she is salaried she needs to put in her 40 hours a week behind that desk on the fifth floor. She needs a lot of time behind that desk to do a lot of math ciphering on how the hell she going to pay the bills and salvage the pensions. She and her staff should have to punch in to the Hall via hand fingerprint scanners located in the public lobby area of City Hall where the taxpayers can see they are actually coming to work. And when they leave for whatever reason (lunch, doctor’s appoint. nails done etc.) they should have to punch out and punch back in. And no those visits to the City Club, churches, parades, marches, well that’s all politicking it doesn't count. Oh and all those trips to “study” other cities is a crock of $hit. She went to see her socialist comrade, Mayor Bill deblasio of NYC on our dime to get some pointers. He is one of the last people you would want to get pointers from unless you want to adopt his work habits. He was averaging 5 to 9 days per month at City Hall and that was before he started to run for President. She needs to post her department heads, staff and her punch cards on line to show transparency. Cameras should be aimed at these people also so they can be “scrutend”, as Richard the lessor would say.
Does this mean CPS employees are swiping in and out as well?
“And that includes time in the locker room preparing for the shift or putting away equipment after the shift.”
Mayor Larry hasn’t clue the first what a whopper of a can of worms she’s opening.
I’m all for hammering those who are chronically tardy, claiming the same lame fucking excuses and the house mice in pampered units/spots who dip early and often.
But if you’re gonna fuck with the slugs who hump everyday, you’d best be prepared for the exorbitant OT that’ll accompany this half-cocked edict. You don’t punish the whole class because a few knuckleheads can’t behave themselves.
Prediction: This will be an epic failure, with CPD being scapegoated for busting the police budget before the fiscal year is half over.
And can anyone smarter than me confirm or deny the chatter regarding such OT becoming pensionable at some point? I’ve heard it come up but haven’t a clue regarding the authenticity of such a claim.
And off topic, but Groot related... did ya hear Mayor Toad Eyes lambasted on duty ICE agents for wearing their uniforms while dining in a Pilsen restaurant? It seems some locals found it upsetting, making phone inquiries to their aldercreature for an explanation. Now the story of her requesting CPD officers not wear vests and weapons to some shit earlier in the week seems completely plausible.
This bitch is out of control and needs to be checked. Hopefully our great President Donald J. Trump will stick it in the asses of every mayor who refuses to cooperate with the federal government in these matters, starting with this 5 foot nothing turd.
I got your CATA system right here (holding their balls)——signed, The 26th Street crew.
I think we’re the only department nationwide that doesn’t work the full tour. Since we have overlapping shifts and not enough squad cars it makes it impossible to work the full tour either. I think we all saw it coming and it’s going to be interesting. I see a lot of to-froms from 10 hr units asking to go back to the district
Everyone nationwide but they haven’t met the heavy hitters at FOP Lodge #7. We’ll be the first in the country to get screwed on this.
If she & the rest of the ultra-bright democrats running this state into the ground think this will make things better...let them look at any city that had major manufacturing and union labor, if they can find one! What I see is another POS know it all that has done, will do and cannot accomplish a damn thing but running her FOOL mouth & this city, county & state further into the ground! Any moron can see that the biggest problems in the city, state & county, are #1 the finances as they relate to PENSIONS, DEBT, AND INFRASTRUCTURE!!! The democRATS have produced the smoke screen of lawlessness, murder & mayhem that permeates the entire state!!!
At the same time the democRATS continue to rob, pillage & plunder the state with so many TAXES & ADDED REVENUE STREAMS its difficult to get a handle on exactly how much $$$$$ is coming in, where it is going, and why there is STILL NO FUCKING MONEY!!! Answer = GREEDY democRATS!!!
You guys better start realizing that radio and PDT are your best friends! Document every movement, every location change, every action, every report, gas up with a car wash, and ensure you take both personals every day along with that lunch. Inspectors already have tablets connected to your gps, pcad, gas, and log times for swiping in and out will be next. Groot will try and nickel and dime your ass so you better be prepared to nickle and dime in return!
Since this bitch wants us to do this, wouldn’t our overtime become pensionable? Wouldn’t this make us hourly employees?
Yeah you mean like for year end evaluations involving
salary increases or bonuses? Yeah I had a jerk who said
"If I don't get you one year, I'll get you the next." Bold face
promises (lies) to buy time and keep the peace. Sorry, I
worked NOW, so you pay me NOW. There's a time value
to money, so you end up losing even more under this
"slap on the back" system. Pats on the shoulder or back
can't pay the bills. Business wants it both ways: a strict
system with rules that can get you terminated, and an
informal "family system" that says "trust me, I owe you
one."
This goes under the category of was it really worth it was it;
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-hulk-hogan-ohare-police-ride-20190810-lyo63cexhfbibkl7qsx7qu62w4-story.html
Watch the video at the link on the Tribune’s website more and more jeopardizing your job for a white jeopardizing your future doesn’t make any sense however they can use the Illinois State police superstars to let drivers drive massive busses down the expressway and then with lights and sirens on escorting the sports stars wherever they wanna go throughout the city jeopardizing citizen safety that is OK but with the copper date is wrong. But now A Copper does something like this and will be in trouble doesn’t make any sense though does it?
Police work dies with with one document. If they take discretion away from
the supervisors, would pray I see numbers tumble. Just remember ladies and gents. We have no quotas.
Welcome to the real world.
We should all be swiping in and swiping out. Currently we just swipe in.
I do not get taken care of. While a handful of people go home early. That is bullshit.
Why is Liberal Lori Lightfoot always reforming something? Madam Mayor fix the violence, the shootings and homicide problems first.
So now overtime should be pensionable? Am I correct on that matter? Someone from fop care to answer?
Why don't we have a paid lunch?
Citizen responding: Fed up with reading about this clown. What and who does she think she is trying to control people like toddlers? This is her biggest problem with the city? Is it possible that it might just be time to get someone in charge who is street smart and not book smart or politically connected? I've never met one book smart person with an ounce of common sense in my entire life. Career students, then career politicians. Never has an original thought. Can't make a decision without running it by 10 people first. Wake up in the morning and their first thought is "What About Me?" I could go on and on. She makes my skin crawl...
She never really had to work so she has no clue about this.
The fish rots from the head down. Make an example of some of the brass and watch it he rest fall into line.
As long as everybody’s in.
Exactly.
We do a lot of things “on the house.”
But if the city wants to start playing by the rules like that- the sword cuts both ways.
Stand 12,000 strong and make it a “fuck you, pay me.”
We don’t always win, but we never lose.
And since we are talking about what “every other union nationwide” has won- can we talk about residency?
Because every single department that has challenged residency has had the courts rule in their favor.
Every. Single. One.
Legally it’s cut and dried. M
The law is on our side, can we at least have the conversation?
I've been retired a five years. Is EVERYONE on CPD swiping? Including HQ? According to Groot's letter, that's what should be happening...but what about call outs?
Foo better come out with a response to this garage CPD has to stop being a punching bag fop fight back for us
I am not sure that time in the locker room getting ready for roll call would be payable. I have been out of the game for a few years now, from the department and from private industry where time clocks were prevalent. usually people have to be ready to work at their posted start time. But, I could be wrong as things are constantly changing.
I actually think this is a good idea. Instead of going in a half hour early, and staying a half-hour later, I can now become a "clock watcher". I would advise the troops to do the same.
Anonymous said...
Since this bitch wants us to do this, wouldn’t our overtime become pensionable? Wouldn’t this make us hourly employees?
8/10/2019 04:54:00 AM
The greatest change will be in specialized units where the officers and supervisors assigned there have been routinely abused under the threat of being dumped.
8/10/2019 04:23:00 AM said, "..and ensure you take both personals every day along with that lunch..."
Yeah ok, but you only get 1 personal
Anonymous said...
Does this mean CPS employees are swiping in and out as well?
8/10/2019 02:02:00 AM
CPS is separate from the city and the mayor ( technically)
So what if overtime is pensionable?
Just increases the amount of the default.
Yet when teachers say the EXACT same thing, everyone on SCC loses their minds...why? One of these days we will all learn we are brothers and sisters in the same struggle. As a CPS teacher, I hope you get every $ you are entitled to...and I hope you want the same for us.
8/10/2019 01:18:00 AM
when the cops get as much time off as teachers do, both in the working week and in the working year and get the same deal in their pensions, then we can talk. You get 3% compounded each year, police do not and you pay nothing into your pension fund, get lots and lots of time off. Please, give me a break. And, no police officers went down to the socialist country of Venezuela to kiss their ass.
Blogger Rahm's Missing Finger said...
Yet when teachers say the EXACT same thing, everyone on SCC loses their minds...why? One of these days we will all learn we are brothers and sisters in the same struggle. As a CPS teacher, I hope you get every $ you are entitled to...and I hope you want the same for us.
8/10/2019 01:18:00 AM
You’re a goof and have no idea what a “struggle” really is.
This bitch is out of control and needs to be checked. Hopefully our great President Donald J. Trump will stick it in the asses of every mayor who refuses to cooperate with the federal government in these matters, starting with this 5 foot nothing turd.
the second term is going to be so sweet. bank on it.
This whole thing about your ot becoming pensionable is a myth and I wish people would stop spreading this lie. State constitution would have to be changed and good luck with that happening. And honestly just think do you really think this bitch is that stupid to do this if that were really true? This would easily add about 10-20k a year to people’s pensions and then bye bye pension since its funded at 24%. I asked a fop rep this a year ago and swiping in and out is not nor will ever be part of any contract. This job has long been over with so just either get out now if you have no time on or ride this out like a jail sentence and retire as soon as you can
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
This is a management decision that more than falls under management rights. Besides that, openly fighting this just gives us more of a black eye. All you are doing is telling the world, hey, we don't have to work a full day. If you have half a brain (and I ma giving you a lot of credit) you can find a way to make this work for you.
So alderman will be clocking in and out?
"Ensure you take both personals every day".
Read the order and contract. Personals are not guaranteed.
On Punching In:
Lightfoot: “These are non-negotiable expectations for every City employee REGARDLESS OF POSITION TITLE OR FUNCTION.”
Good and effective leaders lead by example. Even though she is salaried she needs to put in her 40 hours a week behind that desk on the fifth floor. She needs a lot of time behind that desk to do a lot of math ciphering on how the hell she going to pay the bills and salvage the pensions. She and her staff should have to punch in to the Hall via hand fingerprint scanners located in the public lobby area of City Hall where the taxpayers can see they are actually coming to work. And when they leave for whatever reason (lunch, doctor’s appoint. nails done etc.) they should have to punch out and punch back in. And no those visits to the City Club, churches, parades, marches, well that’s all politicking it doesn't count. Oh and all those trips to “study” other cities is a crock of $hit. She went to see her socialist comrade, Mayor Bill deblasio of NYC on our dime to get some pointers. He is one of the last people you would want to get pointers from unless you want to adopt his work habits. He was averaging 5 to 9 days per month at City Hall and that was before he started to run for President. She needs to post her department heads, staff and her punch cards on line to show transparency. Cameras should be aimed at these people also so they can be “scrutend”, as Richard the lessor would say.
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Ya, put a bodycam on her too. See how she likes it.
Anonymous said...
I'm looking forward to this.
All my old buddies, still on tac, coming back to the watch. No new guys aspiring because working until 0400 on weekends pretty much takes you out of the gene pool.
It will be wired seeing both LT's at the same time.
Fuck it, I'm in.
8/10/2019 12:34:00 AM
This will never happen. It’s different rules for different folks on the CPD. And the connected can do anything.
Her agenda is this. If you do anything out here you will fired then you can fight to get your job back in court.
Just looked it up. There are 56 genders and CPD ISN'T ONE
Every single union you say? I hope you don’t have the same confidence in FOP when you say that. The problem the city has will be pensionable hours worked if I’m not mistaken? We do work more than 40 hours a week, when does that become overtime in itself?
Fine by me, make sure the zone knows when my personals and lunch are. I want to make sure to tell the zone I can’t handle that “mental” knocking the crap out of Biff or Buffy because, I’m tied to a time clock, and required to take my breaks. Good Luck Citizens today I cease to care about you. Too bad too, it’s taken me 24 years to get here ( late to the party ) but, now that I’m here I only care for my family and siblings in blue. Blue Lives Matter ONLY...
Using this for CPD will become very problematic, and quite costly, for the City.
Have at it Lori.
I think we’re the only department nationwide that doesn’t work the full tour. Since we have overlapping shifts and not enough squad cars it makes it impossible to work the full tour either. I think we all saw it coming and it’s going to be interesting. I see a lot of to-froms from 10 hr units asking to go back to the district
Having started my career in the burbs I can tell you we’re the only department that “works” 5-6 hours a day, less if connected. Get early ducks. Have NO QUOTAS. Have a promotion merit system(for the morons who can’t pass the test). Have unlimited overtime opportunities. Take home cars. Where I’m at we have decent supervisors who never ask for any activity. The perks are endless. We also make $48 an hour to drive around in circles and 19p jobs. So yes, the change may be coming. But for now try to enjoy it because it ain’t going to get better.
Fetal officers aren’t bothered.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Will this have any effect on the little girl at Area North that keeps the homicide files in order?
Or the other girl with 5 years on that only works 5 hours a night in youth??
8/10/2019 12:14:00 AM
Now that’s a silly question.
I think you already know the answer to your question.
The rules and regs are for peons only.
+++++ Employee Absenteeism: "Please make this reporting a priority." +++++
No Offense guys and gals -- who may be getting screwed over by an asshole boss over time -- but this memo is pretty funny.
The city is crumbling down around Mayor Poverty-Crime's little shoulders, the violent gang-crime is now national news, there's a $1,000,000,000.00 (BILLION DOLLAR) shortfall in city funds and THIS is what she considers a priority?... LOL, un-fucking-believable!
The way the Midget-Mayor is going, at the next city council meeting a sharp-eyed observer may spot her rolling some ball-bearings around in her hand while mumbling about 'The Strawberries'.
Spontaneous protests, Large scale events downtown, Fests, Races, Summer Details, and the many other events (planned & unplanned) that take place throughout this City. Who now is willing to maintain very flexible start-times and comply with both swiping in & out? No more of I'll take care of you tomorrow! What about when the powers that be want you staying late the night before and then have to double back the next day for a protest? Sorry... gotta stay till four, swipe out, and then we'll see you in a few hours. On the watch side of things.... Late arrests. Unavoidable traffic stops on the way to check off. Jobs that OEMC likes dumping on late cars that are gonna run you into OT just so they can clear their board. I don't think the City realizes that they are opening Pandora's Box here. If we actually all stuck together for once we can actually bend this City towards our will. I doubt it though. Way to many 2 year wonders falling over themselves to wear jeans and pretend to be the Police.
SCC:
And that includes time in the locker room preparing for the shift or putting away equipment after the shift.
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Could you elaborate on this portion of your post? I don't see how un-tying my shoes or removing my duty belt would be on the clock. And no, I'm not trying to be a smart ass.
CPD will save millions on the dog ass coppers that are 15 minutes late for roll call everyday.
Should have voted mc Carthy for mayor
White Shirts too??.
Life is a bitch.
Maybe start with an 8 hour City Hall workday that includes Aldermen (under or pending indictments), the department heads and supervisors.
Nobody should be exempt from the swipe card. Nobody.
I wonder if this could open up a wide range of Labor Relations issues and reforms, for the better.
The diabolical and maniacal Larry LightLoafer is hellbent on decimating our Contract and its protections as well as shaking down the rest of the certain ZipCodes for more revenues to fund community sanctuary entitlements.
This also means there’s a Big Johnson’s Employee Attendance Dashboard being developed.
The Big Johnson’s Dashboard research and development lab team must be putting in the hours...Mon-Fri 0800-1630 of course.
Nothing says quittin’time like a big ass steam whistle blowing citywide and sliding down the tail of a dinosaur with a lunch bucket.
Departments are expected to e fully compliant by 30 September? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
Where does she think she’s at? Japan? Germany?
This is Chicago, Madame Mayor. Nothing runs efficiently, effectively, or economically here. It’s what we’re known for. What, now you’re going to make everything legit? For who?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Love to see some of the inside people in the Forensic unit actually have to stay there full tour. That also includes that big belly JK in firearms actually swiping in at 7am not 11am to begin his tour.
8/10/2019 12:50:00 A
Never happen. There will always be exceptions and commanders will have discretion on who signs in and out. Too many favorites. I didn’t take this position to be here 8 hours
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
Doesn’t have to be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Will this have any effect on the little girl at Area North that keeps the homicide files in order?
Or the other girl with 5 years on that only works 5 hours a night in youth??
8/10/2019 12:14:00 AM
Of course not. Nothing will change
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll punch in an out. With the manpower shortage, pay me my lunch i dont often get and Ill take a day off every 17 days.
8/10/2019 12:43:00 AM
What manpower shortage? There’s over 13,400 sworn. It’s just where they are at and what they are doing. This post gives a few examples
This goes under the category of was it really worth it was it;
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-hulk-hogan-ohare-police-ride-20190810-lyo63cexhfbibkl7qsx7qu62w4-story.html
^ Was it worth it? Your boss, Eddie Johnson, hates the White Devil. If you’re White and do more on this job than just drive around aimlessly in circles you deserve to be fired. Get a clue you fools.
Don’t forget that under FLSA, hourly employees Comp time use requests can’t be denied by management except in instances where the governor or president have declared a state of emergency. Air and water show weekend, the bud billiken parade, and the 8th of July don’t qualify!
Anonymous said...
This goes under the category of was it really worth it was it;
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-hulk-hogan-ohare-police-ride-20190810-lyo63cexhfbibkl7qsx7qu62w4-story.html
Watch the video at the link on the Tribune’s website more and more jeopardizing your job for a white jeopardizing your future doesn’t make any sense however they can use the Illinois State police superstars to let drivers drive massive busses down the expressway and then with lights and sirens on escorting the sports stars wherever they wanna go throughout the city jeopardizing citizen safety that is OK but with the copper date is wrong. But now A Copper does something like this and will be in trouble doesn’t make any sense though does it?
8/10/2019 05:51:00 AM
Not a smart move but the copper says is Sgt approves of it, but I’ve seen the Illinois State police through no fault of their own ordered escort the sports players baseball football etc. from the airport so rapidly down the expressway is causing traffic to pull over traffic tie ups to let these overpaid athletes get to their children’s games which is what they are adults playing children’s games who is getting paid off for all of this I wonder? And yes I did check into what they are forced to reimburse the troopers for one hour pay and I think it is according to what I was told $150 they paid for this service. How about we offer the services two doctors who are very important to get them to the hospitals when you have to do surgery instead of the stupid sports players who deserve nothing! Who is head of the Illinois State police now another part of the democratic and yes I did check in the way they are forced to reimburse the troopers for one hour pay and I think it is according to what I was told $150 they paid for this service. How about we offer the services to doctors who are very important to get them to the hospitals when you have to do surgery instead of the stupid sports players who deserve nothing! Who is head of the Illinois State police now another part of the democratic machine?
Leaving early is an addiction. Some coppers look like they are going through heroin withdrawals waiting for checkoff
He was a Hulkamaniac in his younger days could not help himself. Gonna get some time off if lucky or be looking for his next job. Bet the Sgt denies everything. Can you say under the bus.
Anonymous said...
I think we’re the only department nationwide that doesn’t work the full tour. Since we have overlapping shifts and not enough squad cars it makes it impossible to work the full tour either. I think we all saw it coming and it’s going to be interesting. I see a lot of to-froms from 10 hr units asking to go back to the district
8/10/2019 03:05:00 AM
Go to 4 man cars always have backup!
Anonymous said...
Everyone must make sacrifices! Will the CPD contract be for 2%, 0%, or -2% pay?
8/10/2019 12:38:00 AM
15% wage cut and 401k!
screw it let everybody swipe im so sick of the desk dollies , the clouted in their specialed unit and the political hacks from the 19th ward that work at hq come in late leave early , take two hour lunches
try working for a living
What’s wrong with everybody being accountable for their time? You know the drill, a few have to fuck it up for everyone citywide. In fact, it just might save your ass. If you expect to get paid for every minute on the job, give them what they want.
The good old days are gone. Time theft is serious stuff.
great news another one of George soros n Hillary Clintons friend Financier Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide while awaiting trial
remember revenge is just like ice best served cold
Enjoy your retro!
Come on scc ...either new city layoffs or combination of eliminating funded, open
positions..plus cutting overtime,,including cpd ...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
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1st comment is a very good one.
Went shopping in INDIANA today.. between buying cheaper gas ,cigarettes, lower sales taxes, friendly workers ...racked $115 in savings on 1 trip
The only good thing about this BS, will be how it affects the many Cheating Lt.'s who have been under the radar as they sleep, showup when they want and dont do shit.
Anonymous said...
Does this mean CPS employees are swiping in and out as well?
8/10/2019 02:02:00 AM
How about Chief Judge evan's cook county judges
Anonymous said...
You guys better start realizing that radio and PDT are your best friends! Document every movement, every location change, every action, every report, gas up with a car wash, and ensure you take both personals every day along with that lunch. Inspectors already have tablets connected to your gps, pcad, gas, and log times for swiping in and out will be next. Groot will try and nickel and dime your ass so you better be prepared to nickle and dime in return!
8/10/2019 04:23:00 AM
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Long retired but was always a proponent of knowing department rules and regulations to use to my advantage.
Everyone should be cheering this. She is asking that records be kept consistently. Meaning everyone gets paid for every minute worked because nobody will be able round down the hours worked. Those that are chronically late or get a pass due to personal relationships will also be documented and won’t have the excuse of “I don’t usually punch in”
Seems like pretty standard stuff to me
Where is Captain Morgan?
Remember the movie “Minority report” with Tom Cruise. That will be happening sooner than we all think in chicago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does this mean CPS employees are swiping in and out as well?
8/10/2019 02:02:00 AM
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Of course they do and have for some time now. I know for a fact we swipe in and out at CPS.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, time clocks are a bitch.
Had to use one for about 10 years.
The fucking bookkeeper didn't think the odd minutes
added up to quarter and half hours (or at least
pretended to). So it was more or less a fight every
week. Take photos of your time cards, boys.
8/10/2019 01:19:00 AM
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The time nowdays is handled via computer program. There is no bookeeper as such. There is no "timeclock and timecard" as such. It's electronic and it's a permanent computerized record, includiong some idiot that might try to change your time to keep the boss happy and lose their job and cost the organization huge money in court.
listen 1/3 of cpd will be fired for tardiness , lack of activity , uniform and grooming standards . it will be a breath of fresh air for all of us that arrive for work early , in uniform , ready to protect the citizens and tourists of Chicago .
LAPD getting paid to put on and take off uniform before and after their tour.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-may-08-me-policedress8-story.html%3f_amp=true
Haven’t heard from him in years, but The Ultimate Tactical Warrior really needs to chime in here! Need your guidance Sir in these trying times!
I Fart In Your General Direction...
The funny thing is, there was no ICE on presence in Pilsen...and the socialist Alderman used it to play God, and lead the terrified residents right into his hand.
The man himself has only lived in Pilsen since 2010, after marrying a white girl and settling in Willow Springs until they divorced. Before that, he lived in Tennessee, where he moved from
South America when he was 17. (What was the purpose of such a short marriage? Was it a sham?)
His real name is Byron Sigcho, but that sounded too Anglo, so he added Lopez to make him appeal to his dwindling masses (being chased out the Anglo Invasion), where he could take over the militant Pilsen Alliance (known for threatening businesses/developers and graffitiing Anglo properties).
Relax though, he recently married an Asian who bankrolled his campaign. But he is, like, power to the people. He’s even seen Motorcycle Diaries and aspired to be just Che!!
Anonymous said...
So now overtime should be pensionable? Am I correct on that matter? Someone from fop care to answer?
8/10/2019 06:52:00 AM
Why would ot be pensionable now if it wasn't before???
Anonymous said...
Went shopping in INDIANA today.. between buying cheaper gas ,cigarettes, lower sales taxes, friendly workers ...racked $115 in savings on 1 trip
8/10/2019 01:32:00 PM
Now you know why the Wod was flying back from his summer home there...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
listen 1/3 of cpd will be fired for tardiness , lack of activity , uniform and grooming standards . it will be a breath of fresh air for all of us that arrive for work early , in uniform , ready to protect the citizens and tourists of Chicago
You are naive. Those that are not signing in will continue to not sign in or out. Those doing 4 and 5 hour days will continue to do them
Nothing will change for them, but they will make an example of some beat man coming in late one day
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The only good thing about this BS, will be how it affects the many Cheating Lt.'s who have been under the radar as they sleep, showup when they want and dont do shit.
8/10/2019 01:35:00 PM
It won’t affect them. You are dreaming
Didn’t Captain Morgan go bat shit at the park district while on Captain Morgan?
As much as Rahm was disliked, at least he wasn’t openly anti police. I think this is a case of be careful what u wish for and the grass isn’t always going to be greener.
Every officer needs to be aware that there is no advantage to doing a good job. If you are making arrests sooner or later you will get jammed up and either take time, get sued or get fired. Use the medical as often as you can. Schedule doctor appointments and take care of your health and wealth.
Blogger Rahm's Missing Finger said...
Yet when teachers say the EXACT same thing, everyone on SCC loses their minds...why? One of these days we will all learn we are brothers and sisters in the same struggle. As a CPS teacher, I hope you get every $ you are entitled to...and I hope you want the same for us.
8/10/2019 01:18:00 AM
When teachers move from the far left end of the political spectrum towards the middle, we will be brothers and sisters in the same struggle.
Since a majority of teachers are socialist loving progressives, I view you as the enemy.
Meh. Swiping part 4? Part 5? I’ve seen this movie a few times before. It ends quickly.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll punch in an out. With the manpower shortage, pay me my lunch i dont often get and Ill take a day off every 17 days.
8/10/2019 12:43:00 AM
What manpower shortage? There’s over 13,400 sworn. It’s just where they are at and what they are doing. This post gives a few examples
8/10/2019 11:45:00 AM
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We have a time traveler with us from the late 80's. 13.5K?
If it is pensionable I want mine retroactively pensionable. They know how much OT any officer has worked. Hell, they still have CR numbers from the 1960s on file.
Not one single cpd sworn has any flsa compensationary time... Not one single officer.
Anonymous said...
The only good thing about this BS, will be how it affects the many Cheating Lt.'s who have been under the radar as they sleep, showup when they want and dont do shit.
8/10/2019 01:35:00 PM
Agree! Biggest scammers on the job. But in typical CPD fashion I’m going to bet the rules won’t apply to them. Remember, the brass were Lts at one point too.
Anonymous said...
What’s wrong with everybody being accountable for their time? You know the drill, a few have to fuck it up for everyone citywide. In fact, it just might save your ass. If you expect to get paid for every minute on the job, give them what they want.
The good old days are gone. Time theft is serious stuff.
8/10/2019 12:39:00 PM
Nothing wrong with it. It should have been this way a long time ago. But we all know this will only be enforced on the lowly unconnected POs Supervisors will ignore it and nothing will happen. It’s the CPD way.
Time cards are subject to some minor adjustments - what's known as "de minimus". The concept being that if the punch is 7 minutes or less BEFORE the scheduled start time, or 7 minutes or less AFTER the scheduled start time, the punch time can be adjusted to the start time because it's assumed that such time was spent standing and waiting to punch the timecard.
The gist? Don't do a THING when you get there until your start time. Punch in at the start time. If it takes 8 minutes to punch in, your start time will be at the 8 minute point (so you'll lose 8 minutes if you punch out on time).
If you arrive early and some boss wants to ask you something - go punch in FIRST. No off-the-clock work.
All this stuff adds up - if that's how they want to play it, let them. Just make sure it works out in YOUR favor.
If they tell you that you can't punch in early, that's fine too - when asked to do something as you walk through the door, or asked a question, go stand by the clock until the time to punch in. Then do so, then do the 'something' or answer the question.
If enough people do this, it will become such a PITA that the policy will change. Especially also when the City ends up paying out OT because of this.
Knew a guy at the County who served paper way back in the day. He'd catch them in their underwear at 5:45 AM and be all done by 9:00. had the rest of his day to himself. Then they made everybody clock in at 26th. 8:00 AM. Took all day to find one guy and half the time they just out ran him. They gave him a car that he didn't want and between the ridiculous blue car with the blue light on it and the time clock and having to sign out at court every day they made the job impossible/
Does anyone know if overtime will be pensionable after the pension fund runs out of money?
Where the duck is fop. I’m an ET and the pace is a shit show Sgt on 3rd watch has no idea what is going picking up tape kits going to shootings imeaditley before they are called in. Unit is a shit show that’s not even mentioning inside positions fvg are management.
Anonymous said...
Went shopping in INDIANA today.. between buying cheaper gas ,cigarettes, lower sales taxes, friendly workers ...racked $115 in savings on 1 trip
8/10/2019 01:32:00 PM
Thanks for the tip Commander Wodnicki!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjsatZdH4qw
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my city dept was the last to start swiping almost 20 years ago. all call outs and overtime had to be documented by multiple layers of management.working city wide looking for a strange firehouse or police station was tough at rush hour before gps and smartphones. often had to fight for our legit pay. if the boss kept you 10 minutes late and didnt file audit forms you didnt get paid even though we swiped. lot of issues with such a diverse group of job titles in a city this large. it will take a long time to work out the bugs but try to make it work for you, computer employee tracking is not going away and falsifying time sheets is a fireable offense. a lot of our guys got fired for doing work arounds. good luck at the bureau of truth.
Anonymous said...
Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
**doesnt have to be..why do you think we are swiping in now moron????
What’s wrong with everybody being accountable for their time? You know the drill, a few have to fuck it up for everyone citywide. In fact, it just might save your ass. If you expect to get paid for every minute on the job, give them what they want.
The good old days are gone. Time theft is serious stuff.
Your absolutely right, beside I’ve taken enough to last until I retire...
Anonymous said...
White Shirts too??.
8/10/2019
it will never happen. white shirts working more than 6 hour days with their weekly free day (40)
Ladies and gentlemen, here is a bit of advice. If swiping in and out comes to fruition, don't fret. Follow the rules exactly. By doing that you are sure to accumulate about 1/4 hr of OT every day you work. Check off is at 1430? Come in at 1425 hrs., park the car, turn in your paperwork, then your radio, taser, camera, phone, carbine ad nauseum, then make your way over to the swipe machine that now reads 1440 hrs. If it is past the G.O. mandated 7 minutes you are entitled to OT for that 1/4 of an hour. Two weeks of this, times the number of cops working each day, and swiping out will become a thing of the past.
Here come the tears. Ghost payrolls are coming to an end. Showing up at 0700hrs and leaving at 1000hrs is a thing of the past. Some of us won’t be affected.,
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Has the FOP filed for Arbitration yet?
8/10/2019 12:45:00 AM
I think you have to reach impasse first before you can file for arbitration.
Body cams are not in the current contract either. In car video was supposed to be for officer safety only when the program was launched, read the pax 501. Sgt's will not have to stay the full 9 hours and 45 minutes they are paid for(minus 1/2 hour lunch). The 45 minute report signing bonus will be carte blanche. Two things to work on fop, sell back of some c/u time every year for 9161's and furlo by unit instead of the horseshit furlo by watch.
Where the duck is fop. I’m an ET and the pace is a shit show Sgt on 3rd watch has no idea what is going picking up tape kits going to shootings imeaditley before they are called in. Unit is a shit show that’s not even mentioning inside positions fvg are management.
8/10/2019 11:21:00 PM
Your post is a shitshow. No clue what you're trying to say.
Yet when teachers say the EXACT same thing, everyone on SCC loses their minds...why? One of these days we will all learn we are brothers and sisters in the same struggle. As a CPS teacher, I hope you get every $ you are entitled to...and I hope you want the same for us.
8/10/2019 01:18:00 AM
Teachers can strike, and do so every year to get more money. We can't strike, and have been without a contract for years. I won't even get into the extreme differences between being a teacher and being a police officer. We aren't in the same struggle, or even the same league.
Punching in and out creates all documented time as an hourly employee is pensionable. May stay a few more years to pad the pension now.
Anonymous said...
Went shopping in INDIANA today.. between buying cheaper gas ,cigarettes, lower sales taxes, friendly workers ...racked $115 in savings on 1 trip
8/10/2019 01:32:00 PM
Thanks for the tip Commander Wodnicki!
And it was a short ride. 10-15 minutes at 114 mph
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC:
And that includes time in the locker room preparing for the shift or putting away equipment after the shift.
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Could you elaborate on this portion of your post? I don't see how un-tying my shoes or removing my duty belt would be on the clock. And no, I'm not trying to be a smart ass.
8/10/2019 10:54:00 AM
Donning and doffing has not been recognized here.
Where the duck is fop. I’m an ET and the pace is a shit show Sgt on 3rd watch has no idea what is going picking up tape kits going to shootings imeaditley before they are called in. Unit is a shit show that’s not even mentioning inside positions fvg are management.
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Any word when the next test might be? Last one was 2014/15?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Went shopping in INDIANA today.. between buying cheaper gas ,cigarettes, lower sales taxes, friendly workers ...racked $115 in savings on 1 trip
8/10/2019 01:32:00 PM
Thanks for the tip Commander Wodnicki!
8/11/2019 12:12:00 AM
Hopefully you kept it under 100 mph.
TO: Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
Oh my God, grow the fuck up, it doesn't have to be.....
“I am not sure that time in the locker room getting ready for roll call would be payable. I have been out of the game for a few years now, from the department and from private industry where time clocks were prevalent. usually people have to be ready to work at their posted start time. But, I could be wrong as things are constantly changing.”
I’m retired now also (congrats to you and enjoy), and I supervise a warehouse now, and my workers hit a time clock. Last year we got uniforms for our guys. Our HR manager said we have to allow them time to change, on company time, if we require the uniform. (I would have done it that way anyway, within reason.) She said it was accepted practice in Illinois. Admittedly, I don’t know how long that has been in place, or how concrete it is, but I would imagine an arbitrator would look at such things which are “customary” in the state.
Enjoy a long and happy retirement.
TO: Not in our contract to punch in or out.
8/10/2019 12:05:00 AM
Oh my God, grow the fuck up, it doesn't have to be.....
"In a 39-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess found that the several minutes it takes an officer to dress for duty is a vital part of the job because “police uniforms convey and legitimize officers’ authority, increase officer safety, and help deter crime.”
The dress time, which is generally thought to be between five and 15 minutes on each end of a shift, Feess decided, falls under the compensation rules of the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act, a long-standing law that requires employers to pay their employees for all hours worked."
.....smile all the way to the bank
“I am not sure that time in the locker room getting ready for roll call would be payable. I have been out of the game for a few years now, from the department and from private industry where time clocks were prevalent. usually people have to be ready to work at their posted start time. But, I could be wrong as things are constantly changing.”
I’m retired now also (congrats to you and enjoy), and I supervise a warehouse now, and my workers hit a time clock. Last year we got uniforms for our guys. Our HR manager said we have to allow them time to change, on company time, if we require the uniform. (I would have done it that way anyway, within reason.) She said it was accepted practice in Illinois. Admittedly, I don’t know how long that has been in place, or how concrete it is, but I would imagine an arbitrator would look at such things which are “customary” in the state.
Enjoy a long and happy retirement.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
8/10/2019 04:23:00 AM said, "..and ensure you take both personals every day along with that lunch..."
Yeah ok, but you only get 1 personal
8/10/2019 08:07:00 AM
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WRONG! It's called a personal for one of the most common 'personal' needs.
To all you clowns that think the FOP is a union, SAKE UP. It is a bargaining unit and golf putting planning committee. No power at all the city just probes by calling your VP a clown. Anything come of that? Didn't think so you couldn't even get an apology. Your contract is what the city says it is.
onto worry the city will get back and OT money and your latest raise wilt all the new fees and taxes Lori is about to unveil. Will only apply to anyone holding a job or homeowners. That be you my friends. The city gives and the city takeaways. Someone has to pay for all the Free shot the gibs me dat crowd gets.
Big deal 10 minutes of overtime everyday.
So who is taking the upcoming SGT test? Will something like this hurt or is now the time? Weigh in
Anonymous said...
So who is taking the upcoming SGT test? Will something like this hurt or is now the time? Weigh in
8/11/2019 07:37:00 PM
Now is probably the time for you to form a logical question before you consider taking the exam...
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where the duck is fop. I’m an ET and the pace is a shit show Sgt on 3rd watch has no idea what is going picking up tape kits going to shootings imeaditley before they are called in. Unit is a shit show that’s not even mentioning inside positions fvg are management.
8/10/2019 11:21:00 PM
Cannot be too bad for you. You're drunk at 11:21pm
Ladies and gentlemen, here is a bit of advice. If swiping in and out comes to fruition, don't fret. Follow the rules exactly. By doing that you are sure to accumulate about 1/4 hr of OT every day you work. Check off is at 1430? Come in at 1425 hrs., park the car, turn in your paperwork, then your radio, taser, camera, phone, carbine ad nauseum, then make your way over to the swipe machine that now reads 1440 hrs. If it is past the G.O. mandated 7 minutes you are entitled to OT for that 1/4 of an hour. Two weeks of this, times the number of cops working each day, and swiping out will become a thing of the past.
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You seem to forget that overtime still has to be approved by a supervisor.
The OT system doesn't automatically approve it.
A couple days of this and the Sgt will tell you to come in earlier, 'cause he ain't paying you on the end....
Anonymous said...
Has the FOP filed for Arbitration yet?
8/10/2019 12:45:00 AM
Drop in or call and ask
1412 W. Washington Blvd. | Chicago, IL | 60607-1821
Phone: 312-733-7776
"...it's called a personal for one of the more common personal needs..."
What if one of my personal needs is more common than yours cutie?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
when the cops get as much time off as teachers do, both in the working week and in the working year and get the same deal in their pensions, then we can talk. You get 3% compounded each year, police do not and you pay nothing into your pension fund, get lots and lots of time off. Please, give me a break. And, no police officers went down to the socialist country of Venezuela to kiss their ass.
8/10/2019 08:11:00 AM
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When Chicago cops are required to have a college degree, they will have put themselves in a better position to negotiate. Less is required to be hired by your department than by CPS. Now some cops may have a college degree - but it’s not required. So, you’ll get what you get. You are free to change jobs. No one is forcing you to be a cop.
Also, I’m sorry your union sucks at negotiating. It sounds like you should have been a teacher.
grab a tvb , otw in 15 minutes before you get off stretch it out everyday for 1/2 hour of OT
it will add up to a nice $$ every month
Nobody should swipe unless everyone swipes !
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