Rejected Promotions
Rumor coming through hot and and heavy at HR:
- A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks” to the sergeants promotion. A good percentage of those on the list are from detective/investigative units, a few are from Forensics and a couple from Canine. It speaks volumes as to just how shitty this job has become when people pass on a sizable base salary increase and bigger pension. I would love to hear from some of those that declined as to their reason(s) why. I can assume most don’t think the extra $$$ is worth the liability attached to the chevrons, especially in this day and age and with the caliber of [officer] they’re hiring who they’d be supervising. Not to mention some of the units these people are in are pretty sweet gigs all things considered, a lot of OT, etc. Also heard a handful turned down the detective promotion. Thoughts?
We can confirm at least four people on the Sergeant list turned it down. We cannot confirm anyone on the Detective list. Someone somewhere knows for sure, but this speaks volumes to how quickly coppers see the S.S. CPD approaching that iceberg.
UPDATE: New lists are out - six turned down Sergeant, four turned down Detective.
UPDATE: New lists are out - six turned down Sergeant, four turned down Detective.
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
148 Comments:
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
I was turning down detective before it was cool!
Let’s me see—- can a SGT get fired or rail road-ed for what officers under him do just for Groot’s sake?
Oh.... can a detective be forced to pay cash money for the fact that a person who for all purposes IS guilty but says 38 years later that you peeled his finger nails or let freedom ring with a rubber hose into his backside?
All the more reason I tell my son to join the Air Force or go into technology at college... this job is meant for people who get pissed off in MCD drive through and want to punch lights out 2 years prior to being hired. If I can spawn back in time I would not had taken this job
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
"...four turned down Detective."
It would take a Detective to find out why. Yet there are four "shortages" now due to the declining!
Oh the irony... Chicago, fair city of wind, what shall become of thee?
At some point, those who'd otherwise included to join the poliece force (in Chicago or other liberal wonderland cities) might not want to become cops at all due to the cons outweighing the pros.
Who'd have guessed this development?
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
I’ve worked my way up a couple promotions and wish I could give them up. The extra money is nice, but it doesn’t come free. As a supervisor you have to deal with a lot of crap. Most of it isn’t from the PO’s, it’s having to deal with the people above you. Lts who are jag offs, captains who are total complete know it all assholes, Cmdr’s that micro manage the shit outta you. It sucks. I’d hate to tell anyone to pass up a promotion, but looking back I really wish I would’ve. I had a nice spot as a PO working with a good partner and gave it up for the money. Money has not bought me happiness.
We don’t trust the leadership ship anymore. Period!
If you’re in the homestretch of this shit show of a “career”.
If you’ve lived conservatively and even modestly invested via Deferred Comp or other vehicles.
If you’re in a spot that minimizes your exposure to the general public, i.e. ANYTHING AWAY FROM PATROL....
Why the hell would you even entertain taking the stripes to babysit the morons coming on the job today? Not to mention going back to Square One in seniority. On first watch. In a shithole ghetto district on the opposite side of the city from where you live. Responsible for the actions of 10, 12, 15 or more kids that can’t make a simple decision. Logging cars. IOD’s. Pursuits. Vehicle crashes. CR’s. The added liabilities and responsibilities ain’t worth the money to some people. Especially if they’re in a good unit.
I know one of the guys who passed on sergeant. Let me say that I completely understand and agree with his specific reasoning. It all boils down to Risk vs. Reward. Smart people that have had their ducks lined up from early on know it’s a losing gamble in the current atmosphere.
Good on ya to have the to chutzpah to say “shove those stripes up your ass”.
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
The New Detroit
Not worth it don’t take it!
Turning down a promotion isn't necessarily a sign of how bad being a supervisor in this agency is; it could (and likely is) a fact that some people are very comfortable in the current position they hold within the department, and with advancing retirement plans, they don't see themselves being in the new position for an additional 3 or 4 years in order to get the higher dollar pension that goes with it. If you have been out of patrol for the past 10 years or so (or even longer), then the adjustment to going back into patrol may simply not be worth the promo and extra pay. Everyone has to consider the pluses and minuses to such an abrupt change of position within the department. If the minuses are more than the pluses, then the answer is simple, just remain where you are, particularly if you actually like what your current position is. There is a lot to say about going to work happy!
I have also observed a few people over the years who had no reason whatsoever in accepting a promotion, retiring in 12 to 14 months after hitting the streets in their new position. If you know that your retirement plans are definite within the next 18 months or so, then why accept a promotion, when you aren't going to receive a higher pension from the new position in such a short length of time? Better to decline it, and allow the next person on the list to obtain it, sticking around long enough to enjoy the fruit (higher pension) of their 3 to 4 years of labor.
Heh!
Well now.
It looks like it's finally catching on...
Chicago Policemen are finally getting how
self preservation is more important
than anything else.
Potentially subjecting yourself to City Hall,
HQ, community, aclu and sjw sourced grief and aggravation
has resulted in Policemen doing deep dive risk/benefit
analysis and mapping out means to mitigate any and all
hazards that come with taking these promotions.
Some have reached their own conclusions regarding
the costs of being subjected to grief and aggravation.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
UPDATE: New lists are out - six turned down Sergeant, four turned down Detective.
Labels: promotions
It's survival mode, why would anyone knowingly step in a heap of hot street shit for what's left of this department. My FTO said to me over thirty years ago: Stay in line, do your time and you'll retire just fine...
"UPDATE: New lists are out - six turned down Sergeant, four turned down Detective."
Understood. My first question would be: historically, how many individuals turn down a promotion? This may be the typical percentage who refuse. May give more context that way. Or, maybe not.
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
Has anyone put the list up.
The answer is simple... they are most likely northwest siders who don’t want to go to the bottom in seniority and end up on midnights in some far south side district. It’s nothing but a quality of life issue for people with 20+ years on the job. Especially people who are already D2A. The pay jump to sergeant isn’t that much more, and not worth the inconvenience.
My guess is those who turned down the promotions are near retirement and found a cushy place to retire from. Why spend the last few years on the job working hard on midnights when you can have a nice easy day job for a few years and then move south.
People who are in units with high OT rates like canine already make a boatload of money doing almost nothing. Why would they want to mess that up?
We hit that Iceberg already.
There are people in the water already and they are looking for someone to save them!
That is why people are passing on the promotions!
Why go back to 1st watch farther away from home?
WHY miss your family functions for more GRIEF!
Why become the whipping boy for the media?
We need support, not rhetoric.
We need a contract, not another media circus in a court room?
This has become a shitty department. I just want 20 and out. Don’t see how officers with 29+ are still hanging around. Hopefully they don’t let the new contract catch up to them.
That never would have happened before the dumbing down of the department began.
Not Worth it !! CPD is at it’s worst time ever!
I feel like I’m not the only one, but I didn’t even take the Sgt exam.
I didn’t even want to have to make that decision. So kudos to the coppers who had an actual choice to make on the list and turned it down.
I knew I wanted no part of it before it even got to that point.
That many people turning down a spot with their name on it is a thing.
And how many have just decided to not even test? Because I’ve talked to quite a few.
This was once a great city, and a great police department. Never thought I’d see the day.
I would turn it down too.
We have to minimize contact with the public and other coppers as part of our personal risk management strategy.
As a Sgt., you really need to try to have ZERO contact with the public and police.
That’s hard to do.
Why anyone that does not have any connections we want to be a sergeant with today’s group of police officers that are coming on is beyond reason.
May be in next contract the salary of those postion MUST go up.
Not a whole lot of jobs HAVE indictment for faulty paper.
OR wrestling giant white dope boys on the CTA.
Speaking of promotions, LT Cascone is still furious he is stuck at LT. He is dumping everyone he can in gangs and a ton of people of volunteering to leave as well. Watching him stomp around like a baby is absolutely hilarious.
Always wanted to make rank on this job and hopefully go out as a lieutenant. Nowadays? No fucking way. Not without a phone call to a nice unit as far away from patrol as humanly possible. Too much to gamble Especially if you’re near retirement Babysitting this new breed of officers in today’s anti police climate isn’t worth the money. I’m good with being responsible for me and me only. Keep those chevrons.
Do the math you get promoted for the rest of your life. All your hours get promoted too so u can cash them in at sgts rate. After a year on the street get back to your unit as a sgt. Now it's really sweet. I did it
Sgt ray
The only reason to take the Sgt's promotion if you are a detective, is the chance to make Lt before you retire. I was lucky enough to do that and retire as a Lt, but it was a gamble. As far as I am concerned, detective is the best job on this department hands down.
Anonymous said...
Go to 011:
Be the change and the real police.
You see kids with three years on saying they are Fillmore Rangers. OMG - get a grip kid.
YYou all now watch crime on television monitors and have no idea how to conduct an investigation or talk to street thugs.
The true police of 2020.....
Here u see all the young know it all police that refuse to see the big picture on how the Mayor, City, Dept, COPA, IAD will throw you and your family under the bus immediately.
The youngsters in 011 just dont get it...
The suburbanites and barbies who currently work in 011 don’t appreciate this comment. Crashing cars chasing people for traffic is REAL POLICE type stuff.
Take the promotion, then retire after sergeant school. You get to cash out your CU time at sergeants pay. Thank me later. Peace out! Ha
Just shows how f@ck up this department is when people refuse to take a step up and see the handwriting on the wall to how many imbeciles are running the department into the ground, better to stay a grunt.
too fucking funny for me.
As a current Sgt, I can tell you its pure misery if you are on the watch. The problem isn't just the officers. The Lts, Captain, and Commander are just as bad. They are all scared of their own shadows. They micromanage everything into the ground.
I know one of the detectives who turned it down. He didn't want to go to 3rd watch in 003 for a couple of years. The fear of being around of incompetence all day is horrifying.
Anonymous said...
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
3/07/2020 12:29:00 AM
I haven’t been a Sgt as long as you have, but I definitely agree with you. No clout, made by score, just lucky I guess.
12:34am.... did you call a supervisor? Was it recorded? Let them bury themselves.
Y'all stupid, Sergeant is the easiest job ever! Allow me to coast into retirement while keep whining about nothing.
After 10 years on the job and happy where I was at and what I was doing I was promoted to Sgt in 1991. Hated every minute of it. It took me 7 years to feel comfortable when being called "Sarge" by my fellow workers. My advise is that if you love your assignment and where you're at don't take the promotion (especially in this day and age). The extra money isn't worth forfeiting your sanity.
Retired Sgt 2010
“ Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!”
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And a damn fucking shame no one disciplined those off duty p.o.s. Why are you on franklin and Ohio at 0230 during the week. Fucking joke this place has become. Where are the hiring standards ? When is this department gonna wake up? Just remember you’re always one call away from your job turning into the state/grand situation because of the morons that are your co workers. Trust no one and cover your ass.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
3/07/2020 12:08:00 AM
Ain't seen 300 community members, at 1.00am in 07, shooting video in the streets in the summer
Anonymous said...
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
Did you call the supervisor? Were they wearing Halloween type make up like that one idiot it started the fight in that bar? But she was connected so nothing happened to her this is ridiculous you never disrespect on duty police officers no matter who the fuck you are the new breed the young children being hired as police officers have no clue what it takes to be the police because they’re not the police are just wearing our uniforms just like Halloween girl.
How about the desk sergeant in 008 that was ordered to sign a report from the LaQuan McDonald incident when he was even on the scene. He was fired and the boss that ordered him just retired with full pension leaving him in the wind.
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
When I work CTA I don't wear one because it's back in my district in it's dock. I'm working my day off and heading straight to 18th. I'm not driving south to my district for a camera then heading north to 18th, then heading back after I'm done. I'm sure if they are detailed to cta they did the same.
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
Shiiiit! I would've let their little 2-minute-on-the-job asses have it and I'm black!! I wonder if they're Millennials because they know EVERY damn thing and won't listen to save their own lives which complicates things even more. To all these millennials who do it for the culture and don't listen to reason, get your shit together! No one's going to fix your bullshit if it ends up broken.
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
If you think being a Sgt sucks then you’re doing it all wrong.
The promotional system sucks, there is no reason for a PO or Detective to lose thier seniority for furlo and picks when you get promoted to Sergeant.why should somebody who has a great furlough with a family trade it for a rookie furlough. And even if you get promoted 2 years before your retirement you will still have 2 years of Sergeants sailed added to you PO last best 2 years. Being promoted back in the day with 20 years on boosted my pay 12,000 per year. Maxed out Sergeant my pension is 96,000 yearly.
What everyone is missing here is your pension, The additional monies that one receives when you are on your pension is well worth the grief and aggravation. I get it, it sucks to go to the bottom of the seniority list, work for asses, and have to baby sit. Been there done it. However, when you retire it is very nice to receive the additional monies obtained from the promotions. For someone who is in their 30's and 40's you might not think about this. I don't want to hear " there is not going to be a pension in a few years" bullshit. If the pension goes belly up it is going to go belly up weather or not you are a patrolman, detective, sergeant etc. I was promoted to detective and then sergeant. Each promotion meant I got rank raises. Each promotion meant that when I retired I got 75% of that's positions salary. I been retired for 20 years now and believe me the COLA raises I get every year if very appreciated. Think about what I just said. You might think twice about passing up that promotion.
Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
That’s a bold statement. Not remotely true, but bold nonetheless.
onymous said...
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
3/07/2020 12:29:00 AM
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I agree, i have no clout made sgt couple years ago. In a busy south side district and its the best thing to happen to me on this job. Its a major mistake to turn it down, but everyone has their reasons. With that being said there are a lot of guys talking bad about the sgt position and none of them have been a sgt. Dont listen to them. People are afraid to supervise the new kids? I rather supervise them than be stuck in a car with them for 8 hours running from job to job.
Only a small number of people will turn down promotions.
Most who accept want to better themselves, their families, and yes the department.
It’s important to have good leaders. Those of you testing should not be dissuaded by stupid shit happening around you.
Make no mistake, CPD needs good leadership, and that could be you!
1981 - 2010, Sgt in '96, never once heard of anyone turning down a promotion to Sgt.
Of course there was no blog then, but still, if it happened, you'd think
word would get around.
Anonymous said...
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
Just like that douche nozzle Art P, who made sgt last spring and got sent to 7 on mids. He then went to get a Dr note to say he couldn’t work mids cus of some bullshit condition. He’s been in 166 ever since. This is one instance where even the Union should say, he needs to give up his stripes (and be allowed to). If you can’t work any shift at any time you are not fit for duty. The Dept should have called him on his BS and sent him for a follow up with another dr. Score or not, this guy doesn’t deserve the promotion.
Anonymous said...
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
Take it easy tuff guy and take those stupid fucking
Skinny jeans off you look like an asshole
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
3/07/2020 05:10:00 AM
Correct. Not enough BWC at Mass Trans since patrolling the trains and buses was never a priority of Cindy Shame?
Ralph Papa Thorson Says:
The CPD appears to be collapsing right before our very eyes. WTF ? everything Leftist Democrats touch turns to shit.
Josh Randall Wanted Dead or Alive Says:
Leftist Democrats deliberately destroying all Major Cities they control. Deliberately working in collusion to destroy America as we know it . Time to quit pussyfooting around, and fight back in any legal way possible to save our Country. Once they get Law Abiding Citizens guns, the USA is gone. We will all be peasants and slaves to the Commies, just like China, Russia, etc.
@12:34. This sounds very similar to what a f/1 two year wonder from the 2nd district who said the exact same thing in procedural justice 3 the other day. This female also claims she has never taken her pistol out of her holster during her 2 years on the job. What a joke, and I’m sorry for all 2nd district officers that have to deal with her
Nobody gets sued more than Detectives. Keep this in mind if on the border of accepting D Unit Assignment.
Anonymous said...
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
Hope it was all caught on body camera. The solution.....get a CR number. I am not a fan of doing this, but just like Dude Inc, if it doesn't get addressed, it grows into a bigger problem. Then suddenly they do something REALLY stupid and we ALL have to suffer the consequences for their actions.
This is the new generation. Pathetic
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
Well I hope the on-duty Officers had their body cams rolling and the department can now thin the herd of these off-duty P/O’s who we definitely do not need on this job. Of course they needed to play the race card to excuse their actions for which someone found the need to call 911 to correct. Well I wonder if Mayor Lightfoot will allow the occupants of this Jeep to continue to represent her and the citizens of Chicago as Police Officers. This could be a defining moment for the Mayor to show that “transparency” is not just a word that she throws around, but an actual cornerstone of her administration. We will be watching.
To: 3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. When you open your big dumb ass mouth and yell that your a PO in front of my recording body cam, your just screwing yourself. First off, as law enforcement you should be doing everything in your power to walk away from a hostile situation off duty. Secondly, don't be a dumb fuck loud mouth if you do step in shit. Alot of situations, citizen or PO or anything can be resolved if cooler heads prevail. You are not worth my job. I will not go out of my way to clean up your mess.
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
3/07/2020 05:10:00 AM
Fuck off troll
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"UPDATE: New lists are out - six turned down Sergeant, four turned down Detective."
Understood. My first question would be: historically, how many individuals turn down a promotion? This may be the typical percentage who refuse. May give more context that way. Or, maybe not.
Years ago, why take a test if you didn’t want to get promoted. Also the department frowned upon turning it down and I know of one person who was told they would be transferred out of their current unit. Guess the department figured if you didn’t want to get promoted something must be going on at your current unit
Anonymous said...
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
3/07/2020 05:10:00 AM
If you were really the police, you'd know this answer already. When you're detailed out of your district, for any length of time, your body cam does not go with you. It stays docked at your home district. And unless things have changed, when I retired in the middle of last year, the officers assigned to Mass Transit were not issued BWC (which is stupid).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
3/07/2020 12:08:00 AM
And for those coppers that have 20 plus years, finally made it to a decent district, aren’t on mids, and have a family life...what say you to them oh wise one? Start over on mids in a crap hole they finally got to leave?
I have also observed a few people over the years who had no reason whatsoever in accepting a promotion, retiring in 12 to 14 months after hitting the streets in their new position. If you know that your retirement plans are definite within the next 18 months or so, then why accept a promotion, when you aren't going to receive a higher pension from the new position in such a short length of time? Better to decline it, and allow the next person on the list to obtain it, sticking around long enough to enjoy the fruit (higher pension) of their 3 to 4 years of labor.
Guess you don’t understand how the pension works You will receive a higher pension. You pension is determined by the highest 4 years out of the last 10 years. If you stay 18 months , 18 of those 48 months will be at sgts pay. It’s quite a bit more and also will affect your COLA
Also all time on the books, any vacation accrued, BFD and P days will be paid at sgts pay not patrolmans. Big difference if you are holding a few thousand hours which isn’t unusual nowadays
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’ve worked my way up a couple promotions and wish I could give them up. The extra money is nice, but it doesn’t come free. As a supervisor you have to deal with a lot of crap. Most of it isn’t from the PO’s, it’s having to deal with the people above you. Lts who are jag offs, captains who are total complete know it all assholes, Cmdr’s that micro manage the shit outta you. It sucks. I’d hate to tell anyone to pass up a promotion, but looking back I really wish I would’ve. I had a nice spot as a PO working with a good partner and gave it up for the money. Money has not bought me happiness.
I left as a lieutenant and my pension is 6 figures. I also worked for many assholes, but try to remember that retirement is a gravy train.
Most people that say negative things are those who couldn't get miserable 50 on the last test.
One of the entitlement people, screwed up housing special. By not answering or responding to a supervisors call. This person has a history of acting as ignorant individual, playing the race card every day.
Anonymous said...
Not worth it don’t take it!
3/07/2020 02:19:00 AM
Said the guy 6 out.....
Money has not bought me happiness.
3/07/2020 12:50:00 AM
What is done, is done. You cannot go backwards. All you can do is look forward to a much better pension. When you do retire, you'll be pleased as punch to have the extra dough.
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
3/07/2020 05:10:00 AM
If they're detailed, their body cams are back at their district. If body cams are the new norm though, they should be issued one when they hit their detail. That's clearly not what's happening though. Aren't the body cams required by law now? I don't recall an exemption for details.
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
3/07/2020 12:29:00 AM
Good for you and I am being sincere, but your 20 years, especially the first 5 to 10 of them, were much different than the circumstances, conditions and climate surrounding someone who is just starting to be a sergeant in 2020. Not saying you had is easy or that everything was just wonderful; just saying it was "better" all-around being a supervisor in 2000 as compared to being a supervisor in 2020.
Sgt Cummings will be a leader !
I made sgt off the list about 2 years ago and anyone that tells you it’s a shitty job is lying to you. Of course I worked my entire career in patrol so I can’t say what it’s like to be spoiled in a unit or to have clout but if you’re the real police it beats pushing a beat car for sure. Never pass it up if you get it
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
Did she get her blood drawn for chemical testing per the "Police and Community Relations Improvement Act????"
I never understood how people turned down promotions after they sat in line to get in, took the hours long test then just don’t take it when it’s offered. Are you gluttons for punishment? Do you like wasting your time or something?
Unbelievable Tina Johnson spent her last 10 years as a school officer and now she’s a sergeant. No leadership or supervision skill at all just got lucky and scored.
Test scores matter
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
It’s not to late to correct the worse decision you ever made. Can’t you give up your stripes and go back to patrolman?
If all these comments are true about wishing you wouldn't have taken a promotion because you had a "good spot or a good partner and wish you would have kept what you had. Why the fuck is there so much pissing and moaning about someone who has one????? Just asking.
"...And how many have just decided to not even test? Because I’ve talked to quite a few."
This right here. Passed on all the tests in the last 10+years. Saw the writing on the wall. I feel like I'm walking a minefield of getting fired, sued, or front page news every time "I" get an assignment, I concluded years ago I wouldn't want to be responsible for all the yahoos on this job. Not worth the extra money. If you made the right financial choices all along, you'll make more than a sgt. who is only depending on his pay...And you only have to worry about yourself.
Turning down a promotion isn't necessarily a sign of how bad being a supervisor in this agency is; it could (and likely is) a fact that some people are very comfortable in the current position they hold within the department, and with advancing retirement plans, they don't see themselves being in the new position for an additional 3 or 4 years in order to get the higher dollar pension that goes with it. If you have been out of patrol for the past 10 years or so (or even longer), then the adjustment to going back into patrol may simply not be worth the promo and extra pay. Everyone has to consider the pluses and minuses to such an abrupt change of position within the department. If the minuses are more than the pluses, then the answer is simple, just remain where you are, particularly if you actually like what your current position is. There is a lot to say about going to work happy!
Why do you think you have to be in that position for an additional 3 or 4 years. Every month you stay your pension increases and when you retire if it one day after the promotion all the accumulated time along with furlough hours get paid at sgts rate
If you've worked hard and earned a good spot, it's intimidating to go back to patrol, not know your watch, be a decision maker etc...but do it. If you did well before you'll do well after. For the most part, the cream still does rise (maybe not to the top, but it roses).
Article on Illinois pension failure https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-puerto-rico-of-the-great-lakes-11583534149
I would not want to be a Sargeant in this city. More responsibilities, babysitting a watch full of 3 year wonder goofs, back to the hood on midnights. No thanks. I do my 8 and skate. In and out. Unseen. Unheard
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
2 year wonders should upload that video to YOUTUBE. Many options 2 years wonders had here to humble these entitled Divas. Aside from arrest on signed complaints. Being intoxicated and in possession of a firearm on their person is against the law. Having physical control of a motor vehicle while intoxicated is a DUI, that's 2. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
3/07/2020 12:08:00 AM
And for those coppers that have 20 plus years, finally made it to a decent district, aren’t on mids, and have a family life...what say you to them oh wise one? Start over on mids in a crap hole they finally got to leave?
I have 27 on, am too young to go, am in a good spot, and wouldn’t take it on a bet. Start over on midnights in a district 200 miles away? Not happening. Losing my summer furlough. Nope. Been there, done that. Keep it. The finish line is within reach.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One of the entitlement people, screwed up housing special. By not answering or responding to a supervisors call. This person has a history of acting as ignorant individual, playing the race card every day.
What was the result of the CR the Sgt got on him?
If you were really the police, you'd know this answer already. When you're detailed out of your district, for any length of time, your body cam does not go with you. It stays docked at your home district. And unless things have changed, when I retired in the middle of last year, the officers assigned to Mass Transit were not issued BWC (which is stupid).
So mass transit doesn’t have body cams. Not to smart
In my 24 years I NEVER heard of ANYONE turning down a promotion. Been gone 2 years and cringe at the news of the department on a regular basis...glad I'm gone!
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
I am not doubting you, but could you elaborate a bit?
"Most people that say negative things are those who couldn't get miserable 50 on the last test."
...Or people who didn't drink the koolaid and just take a test and hope for a promotion because they think it's the only way to make money in this world. I know coppers who make way more than supervisors through their own businesses and/or smart investing. They enjoy their businesses and have less headaches than the sgts I know. You do however have to be an independent thinker and taking every test hoping to make more money through this job is not independent thought. This job does like people who blindly follow and do what their told so I guess becoming a supervisor fits the bill.
Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
If you think being a Sgt sucks then you’re doing it all wrong.
Signed,
BEAT 1270
SGT PI
Anyone can be a sgt. Cant be that hard if merit pick SP on 1st watch in 011 can do it.
Anonymous said...
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
Did she get her blood drawn for chemical testing per the "Police and Community Relations Improvement Act????"
3/07/2020 02:41:00 PM
You must be new or a troll if you ask that question. They were both working the detail which means didn’t have cameras assigned.
Many are almost retired and on days and don’t want to leave for midnights for the last 6 months. I don’t blame them. If there is another class I know I would be in it and I will be turning it down. I’ve got only 9 months left.
And for those coppers that have 20 plus years, finally made it to a decent district, aren’t on mids, and have a family life...what say you to them oh wise one? Start over on mids in a crap hole they finally got to leave?
I have 27 on, am too young to go, am in a good spot, and wouldn’t take it on a bet. Start over on midnights in a district 200 miles away? Not happening. Losing my summer furlough. Nope. Been there, done that. Keep it. The finish line is within reach.
You have been on 27 years and you think every new Sgt goes on midnights in a shit district far away from home? Nothing more needs to be said
For those that fear going to midnights in a scary district have no business being a supervisor anyway.Let someone that will appreciate the promotion, earned legit at least almost considering there is no merit get it.
Just like that douche nozzle Art P, who made sgt last spring and got sent to 7 on mids. He then went to get a Dr note to say he couldn’t work mids cus of some bullshit condition. He’s been in 166 ever since. This is one instance where even the Union should say, he needs to give up his stripes (and be allowed to). If you can’t work any shift at any time you are not fit for duty. The Dept should have called him on his BS and sent him for a follow up with another dr. Score or not, this guy doesn’t deserve the promotion.
3/07/2020 10:21:00 AM
Hahaha can't say either way, ya, he was a dick to me at times but also okay at times but you'd have to empty all white shirts AND at every other building if that was the case. he ain't the only one
In my district, if you remove the top 5 senior officers on midnights,
the AVERAGE time on the job is........2(Two) years!! Do you really want to supervise that shit show? Even the sergeants on the watch don't. Stuck late every night because the officers need their hands held. You can keep the promotion.
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
It’s not to late to correct the worse decision you ever made. Can’t you give up your stripes and go back to patrolman?
3/07/2020 04:38:00 PM
Actually, it is. You resign as a patrolman when you are promoted. Can't go back.
Only a small number of people will turn down promotions.
Most who accept want to better themselves, their families, and yes the department.
It’s important to have good leaders. Those of you testing should not be dissuaded by stupid shit happening around you.
Make no mistake, CPD needs good leadership, and that could be you!
3/07/2020 09:55:00 AM
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The above written by a kool aid drinking boss.
Probably the same one who came up with the 'be the change' advertising signs and website. (Which BTW hasn't been updated since November)
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
If you think being a Sgt sucks then you’re doing it all wrong.
Signed,
BEAT 1270
SGT PI
3/07/2020 07:51:00 PM
Truely the best Sargent in the city. Thank you for looking out and pawning school jobs to 3rd watch. working under great supervision
Lov, ya
012 district schools.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
It’s not to late to correct the worse decision you ever made. Can’t you give up your stripes and go back to patrolman?
3/07/2020 04:38:00 PM
Nope....can't do it. You would have to quit and re-apply for police officer.
If you were a detective for 2 years no way would you turn down Sgt. Look at the list of Sgt going to Areas. Several with 2 years as dicks and 1 year as sgt. Seems like a good deal for them. Not so much for clearance rate, experience, time in grade or on job. Getting hard to find knowledge in the D unit.
there is a big difference in being a police officer ( or supervisor) on the North side and the South or West Side. A big difference.
Anonymous said...
The only reason to take the Sgt's promotion if you are a detective, is the chance to make Lt before you retire. I was lucky enough to do that and retire as a Lt, but it was a gamble. As far as I am concerned, detective is the best job on this department hands down.
3/07/2020 07:36:00 AM
I agree. The same thing happened to me. The Lts pension is very good. Detective is the best job on any department
Anonymous said...
I have been a sergeant for 20 years.
Believe me. With no juice I am in a much better position than pushing that damn beat car.
I am not doubting you, but could you elaborate a bit?
3/07/2020 07:30:00 PM
Here's the deal, if you enjoyed being a patrolman, you like being a Sgt. The pay increase is noticeable, the 10% increase in the value of your Comp Time is better than the banks offering. The 3/4 hour a day comp time turns into almost 200 hours a year, which is what you can sell back every year. This doesn't include helping out and teaching the PO's. I also liked being a Sgt and did well on the test. I also like being a Lt. If you don't like this job, find something else. I know the money is good and the benefits are good, but none of that is worth it if you're killing yourself slowly doing work you hate. Good Luck.
From what I was told everything was recorded and supervisors were called on scene.
Anonymous said...
Sgt. Worst decision I ever made! Sorry to say but recently the only ones who like the promotion are the never did anything in their career dog asses who become know it all super cops upon promotion!
3/07/2020 01:38:00 AM
You hit the nail right on the head. A perfect example is the new Sgt. S. on 3rd watch in 012, who was formerly on midnights. He has a year as a sergeant and suddenly he’s a know it all, he loves to hear himself talk on the radio, yet his decision making is horrific, coding jobs as he sits inside trying to make himself sound important, and he’s afraid of the streets. I have friends who used to work with him as a PO who say he was the same idiot back then and a total do-nothing. He’s been caught saying some stupid things at roll call, acting like it’s a comedy show, and officers have already filed complaints against him for his offensive and sexist remarks. Fools like him have no business being sergeants.
Being a Sergeant is ok. 15+ years and counting. Never had a bad furlo from year 1. Free time with an option to sell my 200 hours back every year. Supervisors quarterly nice. Ot been great in the District. The first couple years I wanted to just be a PO again. It gets better. I’m only a District Sgt. Last year W-2 was almost a First Deputy Superintendents pay level. Keep that Lt spot. I don’t want that pay cut. It’s nice having a clean private washroom with no boogers flicked on the urinal walls. Wth is that about? On the street and in the court room the shirt gets a little more respect. Not everybody is made to be a boss. It’s ok to accept that and not accept the responsibility. If you do though, the perks aren’t all that bad. Learn to make things work for you and your family.
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
If you think being a Sgt sucks then you’re doing it all wrong.
Signed,
BEAT 1270
SGT PI
3/07/2020 07:51:00 PM
Thanks but not all of have the luxury to work in 012. Come to 003,004,005 and see if you change your tune.
The bottom line is you make more money. A significant increase in your pension also.
Being a new sergeant is going to be exciting but these some lazy don’t give 2 fucks ass officers. Keep ur foot in their ass and don’t let them run over you. They don’t like to be corrected but now that ur babysitting, it’s your job.
ssc my take on the sgt promotions if you are near retirement and dont have wack
take it you always do a year on the medical and retire and cash out all your comp hours
you may not get a bump in the pension but if you invested your money you will ok
i did that and then retired, now i work several security jobs including being a part time police officer in the suburbs and yes i was and still am worker but no clout
If you want to be a good Sergeant,than you have to be able to make a call, if these people need an answer to a question orproblem then help them, if you dont know how to do this,pick up the phone and ask someone more experienced. Just dont give them the wrong info. If you make a decision and it's wrong then it can be fixed. Don't be a know it all Sergeant who screams and yells. Praise in public, but scold in private. Remove the bad coppers who are the troublemakers. Don't let them run wild and poison the rest. Don't ask coppers to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself and if you are a Sergeant thank your people, it goes a long way. I was a Hands on Sergeant and had a great team in my unit. Make friends,, not ememiesbut know when to be the leader.i retired with over 35 years on, my Sergeants pension is $96,000 and you can be a good boss too. Stay safe
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
3/08/2020 04:21:00 AM
I find suspending cases helps in the not getting sued department !
Be the change they want !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nobody gets sued more than Detectives. Keep this in mind if on the border of accepting D Unit Assignment.
Says someone who is not a detectives lol. P.O’s gets sued what more than detectives due to traffic pursuits, foot pursuits, ISR related incidents, TRR related incidents, responding to domestics, complaints of handcuffing too tight, lost prisoner property, and 4th Amendment violations, illegal arrests, etc, need I say more?
Being a Sergeant is ok. 15+ years and counting. Never had a bad furlo from year 1. Free time with an option to sell my 200 hours back every year. Supervisors quarterly nice. Ot been great in the District. The first couple years I wanted to just be a PO again. It gets better. I’m only a District Sgt. Last year W-2 was almost a First Deputy Superintendents pay level. Keep that Lt spot. I don’t want that pay cut. It’s nice having a clean private washroom with no boogers flicked on the urinal walls. Wth is that about? On the street and in the court room the shirt gets a little more respect. Not everybody is made to be a boss. It’s ok to accept that and not accept the responsibility. If you do though, the perks aren’t all that bad. Learn to make things work for you and your family.
Thought that Lieutenant would suck, I asked my Lt about it and she told me, "you want to make Lt., kid...she was not lying....lol. As field Lieutenant, I could legitimately make overtime if I wanted, and now that I am in a unit, the same applies. I don't care about OT, because I learned to manage my money years ago. Made, all 3 promotions by score, and never wanted to go back. Told a Commander buddy of mine that I felt sorry for him, he laughed and said, believe me, it's much better than Lieutenant and Captain, go figure. I think human nature is to look at others and make comparisons in our own favor, irrespective of whether or not we have any actual experience in the shores of others.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
3/08/2020 04:21:00 AM
Not any more than any other witness. But if you're officially served with a subpoena, you could be held in contempt for not complying. Not automatic, but could be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OH Just read that the Red Line shooter and her partner were not wearing body cams. Is that true and is that policy for CPD oing CTA security? This gets worse and worse.
Did she get her blood drawn for chemical testing per the "Police and Community Relations Improvement Act????"
3/07/2020 02:41:00 PM
You have no idea how that works, do you. Thanks for visiting!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Couple days ago, PO’s in 18 got dispatched to a fight involving a gun and a white Jeep. Long story short PO’s show up only to find out that the occupants from the white Jeep were all off duty PO’s. The incident was a verbal altercation between two civilians and 3 off-duty PO’s. Here’s the worst part... the two female PO’s began yelling at the on duty guys, “friendly fire” “y’all doing too much!” And my favorite..”y’all doing this because we black!!” These are off duty PO’s saying this to 18th district PO’s!!! To make things worse, the off-duty PO’s are all two year wonders! This is the second incident involving off-duty two year wonders in 18 in the past two months.
Seems like some of these idiots feel that having a badge gives them certain entitlements to do what ever they want! This is what happens when you lower the standards and are desperate to hire more people! The days of covering for other PO’s stupidity are long over!! Stop being stupid and stop expecting other PO’s to clean up your mess!
3/07/2020 12:34:00 AM
If the on-duty police didn't call for a supervisor, shame on them. Too many times I've seen people given a break, and they turn around a bite the coppers in the ass.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
3/08/2020 04:21:00 AM
At best you get the normal subpoena fee which is very little. Probably the same as jury duty pay
Anonymous Anonymous said...
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
3/08/2020 04:21:00 AM
NO! And the ASA treat you like a piece of shit too!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being a Sergeant is ok. 15+ years and counting. Never had a bad furlo from year 1. Free time with an option to sell my 200 hours back every year. Supervisors quarterly nice. Ot been great in the District. The first couple years I wanted to just be a PO again. It gets better. I’m only a District Sgt. Last year W-2 was almost a First Deputy Superintendents pay level. Keep that Lt spot. I don’t want that pay cut. It’s nice having a clean private washroom with no boogers flicked on the urinal walls. Wth is that about? On the street and in the court room the shirt gets a little more respect. Not everybody is made to be a boss. It’s ok to accept that and not accept the responsibility. If you do though, the perks aren’t all that bad. Learn to make things work for you and your family.
3/08/2020 01:35:00 AM
Well said and I don’t think whatever you situation is you can’t make it work for you. One good thing for those that passed it up is they will never know what they missed
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The only reason to take the Sgt's promotion if you are a detective, is the chance to make Lt before you retire. I was lucky enough to do that and retire as a Lt, but it was a gamble. As far as I am concerned, detective is the best job on this department hands down.
3/07/2020 07:36:00 AM
I agree. The same thing happened to me. The Lts pension is very good. Detective is the best job on any department
3/08/2020 12:09:00 AM
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So True! Being a detective is BY FAR the best job on this department. Most freedom, big $ if you want it in OT, never ever EVER told you can’t have the day off! The list goes on.
I truly pray every copper has the opportunity to become a detective. You’ll love it!
Did she get her blood drawn for chemical testing per the "Police and Community Relations Improvement Act????"
3/07/2020 02:41:00 PM
You must be new or a troll if you ask that question. They were both working the detail which means didn’t have cameras assigned.
3/07/2020 08:26:00 PM
Not a troll or cop. I read the ILCS on this. Serious question
(50 ILCS 727/1-25)
Sec. 1-25. Drug and alcohol testing.
(a) As used in this Section, "officer-involved shooting" means any instance when a law enforcement officer discharges his or her firearm, causing injury or death to a person or persons, during the performance of his or her official duties or in the line of duty.
(b) Each law enforcement agency shall adopt a written policy regarding drug and alcohol testing following an officer-involved shooting. The written policy adopted by the law enforcement agency must include the following requirements:
(1) each law enforcement officer who is involved in
an officer-involved shooting must submit to drug and alcohol testing; and
(2) the drug and alcohol testing must be completed
as soon as practicable after the officer-involved shooting but no later than the end of the involved officer's shift or tour of duty.
If you have made Detective , why become a sergeant , not worth the extra $$$
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
a little off topic but one of the pitfalls of being a dic is getting sued. with all these retired dics being called into court for reopened ancient cases i have a question. if your retired and get called into court does anyone compensate you for your time ? asking for a friend .
3/08/2020 04:21:00 AM
Not any more than any other witness. But if you're officially served with a subpoena, you could be held in contempt for not complying. Not automatic, but could be
I don't think your concern should be so much for getting overtime as it should be for not being on the hook for damages and not being indemnified by the city. Dummy.
Sgt. M from the old A5 was/is on the hook for something in the area of $30k for the whole Guevera thing. NOT INDEMNIFIED. That's him being in Florida or wherever and getting a call - hey, this shit ain't over yet - come on in and list your assets. And he just signed the reports I can almost guarantee had no part whatsoever in what Guevera was doing. I have heard other Dets at the time say Gevera was the dumbest man they had ever spoken to.
I disagree. Many of the sergeants were excellent police officers before being promoted and took that attitude with them. Unfortunately, many weren't.
"...the fear of being around incompetence all day is horrifying..."
Scared of spiders also?
if you are near retirement you take the sgt job hit the medical for a yeat ,then retire and cash out your comp vacation personals days at the sgt rate
that is why you take it.
So True! Being a detective is BY FAR the best job on this department. Most freedom, big $ if you want it in OT, never ever EVER told you can’t have the day off! The list goes on.
I truly pray every copper has the opportunity to become a detective. You’ll love it!
3/08/2020 02:34:00 PM
That's ALL ending soon. Bank on it.
Sgt. M from the old A5 was/is on the hook for something in the area of $30k for the whole Guevera thing. NOT INDEMNIFIED. That's him being in Florida or wherever and getting a call - hey, this shit ain't over yet - come on in and list your assets. And he just signed the reports I can almost guarantee had no part whatsoever in what Guevera was doing. I have heard other Dets at the time say Gevera was the dumbest man they had ever spoken to.
If you were working for the CPD, city, when the incident occurred you are indemnified. Only time you are on the hook if the jury awards PUNITIVE damages against you
If you want to be a good Sergeant,than you have to be able to make a call, if these people need an answer to a question orproblem then help them, if you dont know how to do this,pick up the phone and ask someone more experienced. Just dont give them the wrong info. If you make a decision and it's wrong then it can be fixed. Don't be a know it all Sergeant who screams and yells. Praise in public, but scold in private. Remove the bad coppers who are the troublemakers. Don't let them run wild and poison the rest. Don't ask coppers to do anything that you wouldn't do yourself and if you are a Sergeant thank your people, it goes a long way. I was a Hands on Sergeant and had a great team in my unit. Make friends,, not ememiesbut know when to be the leader.i retired with over 35 years on, my Sergeants pension is $96,000 and you can be a good boss too. Stay safe
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excellent advise. I have a few years over 20, all in patrol, and sometimes younger officers ask me a question. If I don't know the answer, I look at them and say, "let's look it up so we both know for the future."
RH
I love the rank of Sgt , have the luxury of taking care of hard working police
3/08/2020 12:56:00 PM?
What are you, afraid of an ASA? If you establish yourself as a fire eater, the recent law school grad will back down. Done it, seen it done many times. Man Up! Even if you're not a man. There were many tough women on the job stil, when I retired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sgt. M from the old A5 was/is on the hook for something in the area of $30k for the whole Guevera thing. NOT INDEMNIFIED. That's him being in Florida or wherever and getting a call - hey, this shit ain't over yet - come on in and list your assets. And he just signed the reports I can almost guarantee had no part whatsoever in what Guevera was doing. I have heard other Dets at the time say Gevera was the dumbest man they had ever spoken to.
If you were working for the CPD, city, when the incident occurred you are indemnified. Only time you are on the hook if the jury awards PUNITIVE damages against you
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punitive damages are what was awarded. The Sgt. was on the hook for something in the area of $30k. As I've stated NOT INDEMNIFIED.
3/07/2020 05:47:00 PM
It's a good thing not to want it, if you can't even spell it. Average P.O. catches on if you have to look at your star to spell S E R G E A N T.
The only reason to take the Sgt's promotion if you are a detective, is the chance to make Lt before you retire. I was lucky enough to do that and retire as a Lt, but it was a gamble. As far as I am concerned, detective is the best job on this department hands down.
3/07/2020 07:36:00 AM
I agree. The same thing happened to me. The Lts pension is very good. Detective is the best job on any department
3/08/2020 12:09:00 AM
So you are both lazy, money whores. You gave up the best job you ever had, where your OT added to your salary was probably about the same amount a lieutenant makes, so you could be a lazy fuck lieutenant and not a working detective. Seems like the best fucking job you both ever had was being a useless, do nothing, fucking lieutenant that gave you a bloated pension. Lieutenants are useless. You both make me ill.
Cascone never did anything as a PO Worthless
11:37PM, you nailed it, I was getting ready to say the same thing
11:37PM, you nailed it, I was getting ready to say the same thing
3/12/2020 03:03:00 AM
Thank you.
"...no boogers flicked on the urinal walls..."
Sometimes those boogers are great to play connect the dots.
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