Beneath the Law Again
Though we didn't originate it, how many times have we said it?
- Officers shouldn't be above the law, but they also shouldn't be under it either
The punishment begins even with out a finding, which wouldn't be tolerated in any other profession:
- The two Chicago Police officers involved in a shooting at the CTA’s Grand Red Line station last week have been stripped of their police powers as various agencies — including the Cook County state’s attorney’s office — investigate the use of deadly force.
Interim CPD Supt. Charlie Beck stripped the officers just hours after the Civilian Office of Police Accountability — the agency that investigates uses of force by CPD officers — recommended he do so.
“As a result of the superintendent’s review of the incident, both of the involved officers have been relieved of their police powers pending the outcome of the external reviews into this matter,” CPD spokesman Tom Ahern said Wednesday.
We agree that neither officer should be on the street. That's merely common sense. But that's what Callback is for - where officers under investigation can at least answer phones, do reports, run background checks, check gun records, fulfill administrative functions out of contact with the public.....
....and still earn some money to pay for their upcoming (and certainly massive) legal bills. They haven't been convicted of anything and even the news reported that "....various agencies [are] investigat[ing]...."
No presumption of innocence for the police. Yes, the outcome is preordained (this is Chicago), but it's bad precedent to put the cart before the horse.
UPDATE: Are they being paid? We were told long ago that there was a difference between "stripped" and "stripped of police powers." With no powers, you wouldn't be granted access to police databases, making it impossible to be at callback even typing reports.
Perhaps we were misinformed, but the original post's intent still stands. Police are neither above nor below the law.
....and still earn some money to pay for their upcoming (and certainly massive) legal bills. They haven't been convicted of anything and even the news reported that "....various agencies [are] investigat[ing]...."
No presumption of innocence for the police. Yes, the outcome is preordained (this is Chicago), but it's bad precedent to put the cart before the horse.
UPDATE: Are they being paid? We were told long ago that there was a difference between "stripped" and "stripped of police powers." With no powers, you wouldn't be granted access to police databases, making it impossible to be at callback even typing reports.
Perhaps we were misinformed, but the original post's intent still stands. Police are neither above nor below the law.
Labels: department issues, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
143 Comments:
Can you help readers who aren't cops understand this? I always thought "stripped of police powers" meant you couldn't arrest anyone, but you could still work in the department. Does stripped mean fired? Put on unpaid leave?
They’re on PAID status, what’s the issue here?
Lori told Charlie to strip, so he stripped.
They're relieved of police powers, not placed into a no-pay status. 2 different things. They will be at cal-back or be working somewhere inside.
in re:
We agree that neither officer should be on the street. That's merely common sense. But that's what Callback is for - where officers under investigation can at least answer phones, do reports, run background checks, check gun records, fulfill administrative functions out of contact with the public.....
....and still earn some money to pay for their upcoming (and certainly massive) legal bills. They haven't been convicted of anything and even the news reported that "....various agencies [are] investigat[ing]...."
No presumption of innocence for the police. Yes, the outcome is preordained (this is Chicago), but it's bad precedent to put the cart before the horse.
Lets not forget the most important issue with stripping these officers. You now took the authority away from them to carry a weapon. Whether it's these officers or officers with many years on the job, nobody should be relieved of their powers, and certainly not take the ability to defend themselves from someone they may have had on duty encounters with.
I think officers who have been relieved of their police power ARE detailed to callback
As I have no experience in the matter, I must ask. Isn’t callback where you go when you’re stripped? Are they suspended without pay? Aside from that, why the delay in charging?
Beck's decision is another reason to STAY FETAL until there is a new mayor.
I still don’t understand why charges were dropped on this angel who resisted arrest and sure gave the two cops a run for their money.
Tsk tsk tsk.... You're guilty until proven innocent... It's the liberal way.... Can't wait to leave this place...
That piece of shit LT Paz in 003 was yelling they “deserve what they get” and “they shouldnt get a trail.” He also said if he was on scene he would’ve put them in cuffs and charged them. Fuck you you merit prick. Let the system work how it’s supposed to work. It’s really easy to Monday morning quarterback when your whole career you’ve been carried and at a desk.
O/T...
A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks” to the sergeants promotion. A good percentage of those on the list are from detective/investigative units, a few are from Forensics and a couple from Canine. It speaks volumes as to just how shitty this job has become when people pass on a sizable base salary increase and bigger pension. I would love to hear from some of those that declined as to their reason(s) why. I can assume most don’t think the extra $$$ is worth the liability attached to the chevrons, especially in this day and age and with the caliber of assholes they’re hiring who they’d be supervising. Not to mention some of the units these people are in are pretty sweet gigs all things considered, a lot of OT, etc. Also heard a handful turned down the detective promotion. Thoughts?
They are stripped of police powers rightfully so.
They are STILL getting paid working in Call-back making reports rightfully so as due process takes place.
So what's the problem?
Stripped officers are the ones at call back. I didn’t read anywhere “no pay” status.
When you go to callback stripped you are a separation case placed on restrictive duty. The expectation is that your employment will eventually be terminated. No button so you can't wear the uniform or carry the beenie. Not a good position to be in.
Let's be real here. There is no presumption of innocence because EVERYONE saw the video of that mess of "police work" those two made in subway.
The entire city watched and and wondered Wtf is wrong with our police? If they're doing this on camera what else are they up to?
Answer phones and take reports. That’s it! No Background checks or Gun checks. Those are done via their appropriate units (check ur FOP BOOKS). Officers need to stop telling a person they’ve just come into contact w to call 311 for a report and drive off. Supervisors (especially 2nd w sgts 376) are now following up on who, when, where and getting #’s on field officers (inattention to duty bs). How u ask? Certainly NOT by the copper taking the call (report) but instead their actually listening recorded calls now.
I'm glad Charlie stripped.
Fuck call back these two need to be fired. You all the video would you have either of these two as a partner. They will be fired and sued and they should be. If there was ever a case to be made for some belonging under the bus these two should be exhibit A.
These two will be lucky t avoid serious jail time on A Federal civil rights rap.
They never had the ability to defend anything or deal with a non-compliant bumbling idiot. The PO couldn’t even shoot correctly, if she did she have a dead guy on her hands with a partner still yelling.. shoot him ..shoot him.
Lets not forget the most important issue with stripping these officers. You now took the authority away from them to carry a weapon. Whether it's these officers or officers with many years on the job, nobody should be relieved of their powers, and certainly not take the ability to defend themselves from someone they may have had on duty encounters with.
3/05/2020 12:19:00 AM
Weird Detective only have 48 hours to solve Murders in custody but police shooting with multiple video and witnesses will take a few years.
CLASSIC LIGHTFOOT
many times Dr.'s have their hospital privileges taken away before any findings. A good analogy since both professions deal in life and death issues. Stop defending her in any way. Needs to be gone very quickly. Just call it what it was bad policing and leave it at that.
WTF is wrong with the police? It all begins with civilian interference in everyday police work.
Nobody knows what really happened yet. Sometimes you're in a fight for your life and it doesn't look like it...did the guy try to get the officer's gun, did he bite him, who knows? Surely the call to shoot should be in the direst of cases....but they were alone down there with no radio contact? Why didn't the mutt filming step in to help, instead of staying there filming? I've been in situations where it literally took 6-8 people to handcuff one guy. If I wasn't there I'd probably say that was an exaggeration....and it still took several minutes with all those officers. To repeatedly say, "shoot him", there had to be some life-threatening, terrifying moments where it was you or him. Look at the defense's argument re: Paul Bauer---are you f-ing kidding me?
I still don't know why that female officer wasn't on the ground helping. As a female p.o., there have been many times where you are in a fight, especially to save your partner from harm first, and to get the mutt second. But again, nobody knows but those on the scene. Please post where to buy fundraiser tickets.
Anonymous said...
Let's be real here. There is no presumption of innocence because EVERYONE saw the video of that mess of "police work" those two made in subway.
The entire city watched and and wondered Wtf is wrong with our police? If they're doing this on camera what else are they up to?
3/05/2020 04:24:00 AM
***These officers were "Kids" with three yrs on the job and were thrown into the CTA detail by NO choice. Even though this incident did look bad on camera, lets all remember one thing, THIS Dept. has failed US..Piss Poor Training!!! These kids should have had someone with experience with them, and I could almost guarantee that the fucked up Boss told them to go out and get ANOV's....right white shirt? Lets let this incident be a LESSON for these young riders and to the rest of us, STAY FETAL!!! ALL they were supposed to do is show presence and try to prevent shootings, robberies, stabbings, etc...not a fucking bum who goes in between rail cars, like a lot of people do!!! PLEASE, for Gods sake....look the other way. Fuck this City and the Mayor. Live for the 1st and the 16th and go home safely without the bullshit stress.
I feel safer with her not having a gun!
a lot of reports are saying they took away the officers firearms. Do they really take away your guns? The guns you pay for?
When you’re in that status that also means you can’t work part time jobs security and things of that nature so you take a big hit in your wallet not to say that this is not deserved or deserved however trial by media is worse than any kind of trial you can have! It’s not racist saying what I’m about to say but we all know from other comments if the roles were reversed we would have Jessie and flaky and all the rest of the idiots in the street calling for massive protests they would be out there marching marching marching, wonder if Charlie would be Holding hands with the urban terrorists walking down the expressway is closing them off like fat head Eddie did? On that subject why is Eddie’s so-called wife still doing whatever she wants after she stole that lieutenants promotion with her girls? It’s a Chicago Way, Eddie promoted people merit Waze and now he is still in control.
OT.... a must read. Still speachless
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/new-da-will-start-tossing-gun-drug-charges-that-stem-from-legit-traffic-stops-Rfe83isj6UO-u9rXFO1QNQ
mous said...
Let's be real here. There is no presumption of innocence because EVERYONE saw the video of that mess of "police work" those two made in subway.
The entire city watched and and wondered Wtf is wrong with our police? If they're doing this on camera what else are they up to?
Let’s be real there’s a lot of mess we’ve seen on camera involving the police . Why are they running, why didn’t they stop , why are you resisting the police , why didn’t they just stop is usually the usual statement . They went to work they were on the el because they had reversed seniority.
Don’t get me wrong they’re tactics should definitely be examined. But anyone that says they should be in prison is wrong . Fired maybe .if the drug dealer who fights the police doesn’t belong in jail neither does these horribly trained officers.
You can still write reports get. Look at thei civilian desk personnel, they don't have police powers and are still able to take calls and write certain reports.
Stripped means no star and I’d and no carry gun. Still can work at call back. 30 pending is off payroll fighting at police board .
This is also what happens when you put two clouted individuals in a specialized unit just off probation. They both had 2 years in the job. Not only working in Mass Transit, but working together and not with an experienced partner. Who is their juice? Cindy Sam?
Should be fired! Jail Examine the training
Clean house the Academy
I'll take DUE PROCESS for $500 Please Alex. This is the same as red flag laws. Punishment without a fair trial.
Cook county Crimesha Foxx dropping charges against momma that kicked police in hospital, last week
Nuff said.... joyce voters ...now same nonsense about what Conway thinks about issues ,whether to vote for or him or crimesha
Maybe everyone else but me knows the details of this case but I don’t know why the officer decided to shoot. Did the shithead go for his gun? This is atrocious. Shithead fights the police, police try to place shtihead into custody, shithead gets hurt, police get stripped and shithead goes free. Lori goes on tv to condemn what the police did before the investigation was over. She should shut her ignorant mouth up until she knows what happened. This is exactly how one empowers the unlawful community to fight law enforcement.
FAILED CITY ALERT: Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle And State’s Attorney Kim Foxx’s COOK COUNTY CARJACKAPALOOZA — Two Charged With West Loop Armed Carjacking, Including One Released From Prison Less Than A Week Ago — FOR CARJACKING – CWB Chicago — Shoplifters Hit Gucci Store Again On Magnificent Mile, Since Fake Prosecutor Kim Foxx Won’t Prosecute Shoplifters – Chicago Sun-Times — Fake Prosecutor Kim Foxx Had To Be Shamed By The Media, Forced Into Filing This Murder Charge, Involving REAL Racism And Homophobia — Unlike The FAKE Racism/FAKE Homophobia That Foxx’s BFF (Hate Crime Hoaxster Jussie Smollett) Tried To Sell To Chicago – Chicago Sun-Times
http://theexpiredmeter.com/2020/03/the-drivers-side-news-from-the-motorists-perspective-1122/
I still don’t understand why charges were dropped on this angel who resisted arrest and sure gave the two cops a run for their money.
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Because no jury would ever convict. Pointless to go forward with charges. Plus it just looks like retaliation against the victim of the shooting. No good guys in this situation.
Stripped = no work but continue to be paid. Not a bad deal. Any normal job these guys would already be fired. They will get paid to do little or nothing for 6 months or a year before anything happens.
They’re just stripped, relax.
Anonymous said...
That piece of shit LT Paz in 003 was yelling they “deserve what they get” and “they shouldnt get a trail.” He also said if he was on scene he would’ve put them in cuffs and charged them. Fuck you you merit prick. Let the system work how it’s supposed to work. It’s really easy to Monday morning quarterback when your whole career you’ve been carried and at a desk.
Untrue on the desk thing. Maybe since he was Sgt. He was the working police and wrote and went on Tons of search warrants. Also she absolutely should be charged. This shooting was way worse than VD
Can’t prejudge anything. Though video doesn’t look good, it doesn’t show everything. Was the offender reaching for the officers gun?
Was the offender reaching for that bulge in his pocket? You know, it might have been a gun, certainly 300 grams of narcotics is a big bulgy
package.....was the officer in fear of losing control of his weapon by a much larger, much stronger offender who had already been tazed and
pepper sprayed to no avail?
Just asking.......20/20 hindsight is a dangerous method of evaluating police work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As I have no experience in the matter, I must ask. Isn’t callback where you go when you’re stripped? Are they suspended without pay? Aside from that, why the delay in charging?
3/05/2020 12:21:00 AM
Not suspended w/o pay - stripped is different.
Delay in charging? Who knows? Crimesha's whole election campaign bemoaned the fact that there was a delay in charging JVD no? We can only assume it is based on race - she could not care less when a Hispanic gets a bullet in his ass?
Devil's Advocate here:
- lawful arrest.detention
- verbal commands didn't work
- subject was actively resisting
- both officers have injuries
- hands on control tactics didn't work
- 2 Tasers didn't work
- pepper spray didn't work
- subject grabbed and reached into a backpack: shot fired
Questions:
- At any time did ofnd try to grab cops' guns? Why did cop call out :shoot him:?
- How long did the overall struggle last? Video is a minimum of 2 minutes.
Again, the video "looks" bad, but what will the completed investigation show. So far, it does appear that they followed the use of force continuum. Except that de-escalation thing, you know, when should just let all offenders go who resist.
Their actions demanded something much stronger than callback. Suspension without pay pending firing. At least for the shooter. The male officer did his best but was overmatched. Him calling for her to shoot is what will get him fired. Good riddance.
Sadly Call Back is a place where injured officers go to recover from injuries or illness but sometimes stay forever and when you are involved in a domestic you will be there for a long time as the department drags thier feet in order to punish you. It's a shithole and I was there for about a month while I went thru a BS alcohol abuse class that I paid for in order to get my beef completed. Yes I came to work on days after a night of drinking 8 hours before work.had a Random drug test per chance and blew hot for alcohol. Thank God I had a good Sgt. Who brought me back to the unit. Yes I still drink but have not got caught and sent back to callback.
No one has mentioned the fact that the police department lowered and re-lowered the hiring standards and the promotion standards through the political merit process that the political hack bosses established.
What did anyone expect? Instead of recruiting at Chicago Public schools maybe they should recruit at schools that instill a moral compass in their students.
Anonymous said...
As I have no experience in the matter, I must ask. Isn’t callback where you go when you’re stripped? Are they suspended without pay? Aside from that, why the delay in charging?
3/05/2020 12:21:00 AM
You are obviously not the Police. Take a hike.
Oh come on, we all know that just for show.
Will the female black cop be charged like Jason Van Dyke? If not, why not?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-cta-police-shooting-kass-20200304-2voqz2ullfho5bj7o5jtwwxgcy-story.html
What is Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx going to do in the case of the Chicago police officer who shot that unarmed man at the Grand Avenue Red Line stop?
By Foxx’s own standards regarding police shootings, the standards she campaigned on and used to get elected four years ago after the police killing of Laquan McDonald, she could charge the police officer with a crime: attempted murder, aggravated battery or official misconduct
Shooter’s mom is otj in a south side district. Shooter and her partner have a little over 2 years otj and were detailed to CTA detail by reverse seniority. What could possibly go wrong?
Let’s be real...
CPD Bosses SuK A$$
City Politicians SuK
Mayor Suks and her Part-Time Sup Suks
States Attorney Foxx Suks
The public hates the Police and the Police
hates the public. CPD is attacked from the
inside as well as from the outside!
Detective is a 10x better job than Sgt. You can still do work that matters to people. Some of the hardest working people I’ve ever met work there, regardless of what you might read here or in the papers. Yes, they have a few dogs like anywhere else but they aren’t respected. You are treated as an adult, unlike any district and most units. The bosses know what they’re doing, mostly.... Some goofs there too. The pension difference is minimal compared to job satisfaction. Leaving the D Unit was the hardest decision and biggest mistake I’ve made in my career.
Congratulations to the new detectives. Ask questions, read other people’s work, learn and you can have a successful and fulfilling career.
*****
O/T...
A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks” to the sergeants promotion. A good percentage of those on the list are from detective/investigative units, a few are from Forensics and a couple from Canine. It speaks volumes as to just how shitty this job has become when people pass on a sizable base salary increase and bigger pension. I would love to hear from some of those that declined as to their reason(s) why. I can assume most don’t think the extra $$$ is worth the liability attached to the chevrons, especially in this day and age and with the caliber of assholes they’re hiring who they’d be supervising. Not to mention some of the units these people are in are pretty sweet gigs all things considered, a lot of OT, etc. Also heard a handful turned down the detective promotion. Thoughts?
3/05/2020 01:16:00 AM
Many years ago I was stripped of my police powers and worked callback until the situation was resolved. After a year I was restored and sent back to my unit. I was paid the whole time.
BREAKING:
Pochantas drops out of running.
take Charlie Speed Racer with ya.
Get woke, bitches!
Police are society’s scapegoats. Fall down guys for the pols.
Just another example of some asshole shot by the police, who clearly precipitated the entire incident HIMSELF, by not complying with simple instructions. I hope he wakes up every morning for the rest of his pathetic life with pain and discomfort, before he pisses away all of his soon to be fortune.
job isnt for everyone. this is the change two idiots. however it is not a crime they got in over their head and couldnt get out of the mud. should be fired not charged criminnaly.
“As a result of the superintendent’s review of the incident,”... they didn’t mention LightLoafer’s review...OF A CELLPHONE VIDEO by a frightened nosy soy boy moron too preoccupied to help out whatsoever, just like that uniform standing about. (Reminded me of another CTA tunnel resisting assailant incident over at Ohare last year too. What’s ever became of that?)
Very quick to judge.
Not only did Larri insist LA Chollie to strip the two newbies, albeit ever so routine, she also insisted on having HIM to request the combative assailants criminal charges be dropped. Release that tidbit of correspondence in the name of transparency which will include KmmmFxxxx 2020 insider prejudice inputs. They’ll going to use this incident as a playing field leveler.
Has the corporation council been instructed to craft a settlement yet?
Anyone know what’s the substance of roll calls for that reverse seniority Best of the Best CTA redeployment initiative?
Are the multi merit incompetent supervisors insisting on activity? If so, I guess they’re not anyone.
Shit hits the fan and the lowly blue shirt will always gets the third rail with quick finger pointing from the elected including carpetbaggers.
Stay Fetal - It’s LightLoafer’s Sanctuary City not yours.
job isnt for everyone. this is the change two idiots. however it is not a crime they got in over their head and couldnt get out of the mud. should be fired not charged criminnaly.
"A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks”..."
I'm not surprised. Not taking the spots For all the reasons you mentioned. Like you said, not worth the LIABILITY. And with detectives, why subject yourself to excess case loads with a dept. and bosses who don't let you properly investigate what needs to be investigated while rushing you at the same time.
Keeping everything you mentioned and the reasons I stated, I found over the last decade plus that the BEST way not to face the dilemma of taking a position that's not worth taking is... to NOT take the test in the first place! Anyone that sees the pitfalls of sgt. and detective spots and still takes the test is foolish. The days of "Take every test the dept. offers" are over. No thanks. I'll stay in patrol and be responsible for only MY actions. If I get jammed up I'll have nobody to blame but myself. If I have any questions or difficulties I can always request a supervisor and put most of the liability on him/her (Hey, that's why they get the big bucks right?) As a sgt. that extra pay will be pointless when you're going through lawsuits because of something your guys did or a decision you had to make as a supv. Too many people follow "what you're supposed to do" without independently thinking for themselves, but that's what society and this department want.
This is what happens when you allow new cops with a few years on the job into units! They should be in a district somewhere still learning from veterans..
I completely support both of these officers, regardless of what I saw in the video, or how other people tell me I should interpret it. Absolutely innocent, until proven otherwise!
At the very worst, you might have a situation where the officer was overwhelmed, mentally and physically with the situation, and subsequently her brain made a calculation mistake. How many calls or jobs have those two been on in their career and did not shoot somebody. Doctors kill people every day in this country, accidentally... and they're forgiven. If we bat .990 we are deemed Monsters.
In the old days, if you questioned another officers potential blunder, it was done in a whisper. We were ashamed to critique somebody's mistake out loud. It was frowned upon. We were taught to always support our own. It was us against them. I never would imagine people would be publicly criticizing the actions of one of our own, seemingly in concert with the progressive media and mayor.
As a ordinary citizen I say you should all strike. Give them the city they deserve, stop putting yourselves in harms way for a city that clearly does not want you.
Aside from the status of the officers, nothing in the way this was handled makes the citizens of this city safer, nothing. A bad guy chose to fight the police. The police could not contain the perp -- for a variety of reasons but mainly because one was a woman involved with a large male and was USELESS. They get beat and overreact to getting beat. They are basically under house arrest and looking at losing their job and money.
What about this will make the citizens safer, Lori? Will it affect how police deal with criminals in the future? Yes. Will police be less likely to engage? Yes. And we, the people, are the ones left less safe.
Looks bad on video but you have no right to resist arrest.
Get to the back of the line and wait patiently for your retro!
If after watching this incident you are not convinced that the higher ups and City Hall are against us as police officers in enforcing the law then you have a problem. Two officers eventually being terminated and sued over an ANOV, SMH.
Fetal isn’t just a word, it’s the way of a CPD career.
It’s a big deal to take tenured public employee off the payroll without notice and a chance to confront witnesses. It stems from 14th Amendment with tenure employment being the “property” being deprived w/o “due process.” For most part, there’s gotta be pretty damming evidence that kicking employee off payroll outweighs employee’s rt to a hearing.
I don’t know if what’s on that video supports unpaid suspension. But, in the end, the City doesn’t care about prospect of backpay. Your union needs to raise to step up if they’re not on paid leave.
Let's start with which multiple merit boss came up with the idea to let PO's with NO TIME (less than 2 years) stay in mass transit after last years summer reverse seniority detail. Nobody calls out these multiple merit idiots who come up with these ideas. These Officers had no right being put into that situation.
Individuals ride the trains selling drugs in the tubes all day every day. The offender was obviously resisting. So why doesn't the Supe explain dropping of the charges? I know the rest of the command staff because they all feel untouchable don't ever believe in explaining decisions to the rest of the department. But if the Supe truly believes in transparency he'll resist the rest of the command staff and explain why.
That female officer looked totally out of her element, sorry to say. The male half put up a pretty good fight, and if she had jumped in and done some of the dirty close in scut work required to get somebody under control, they may have been able to get the guy cuffed.
A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks” to the sergeants promotion. A good percentage of those on the list are from detective/investigative units, a few are from Forensics and a couple from Canine. It speaks volumes as to just how shitty this job has become when people pass on a sizable base salary increase and bigger pension. I would love to hear from some of those that declined as to their reason(s) why. I can assume most don’t think the extra $$$ is worth the liability attached to the chevrons, especially in this day and age and with the caliber of assholes they’re hiring who they’d be supervising. Not to mention some of the units these people are in are pretty sweet gigs all things considered, a lot of OT, etc. Also heard a handful turned down the detective promotion. Thoughts?
3/05/2020 01:16:00 AM
Your little birdie is full of crap. Did you little birdie tell you no one will be signing up for the next sgts exam for the same reasons?
FETAL
Sadly it’s par for the course in today’s anti police climate.
We’re third class citizens.
Kass had a decent article covering this incident in Sunday’s Trib.
He brought up some excellent points that the media almost always ignores.
Amazing !!
Knowing the negative climate against Police
why on EARTH would you RISK everything?
Bosses want more out of you today and can
care less about you!
Think people !! Think hard unless you like to
gamble with your life...
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/mpd-crime-underreporting-whistleblower-first-interview/65-c242223e-6d71-4741-92c5-f4ba2a1f9a76
Very Interesting
Who has and wants to keep the POWER ?
Yup, Mayor Lightfoot wants the power over the Supt.
From the paper...
“The mayor felt very strongly that the power needs to remain with her...
A Corrupt City
why are local news media so racist ?
if a white police officer uses any force to protect himself from attack they describe Police Officer as the WHITE Officer slams black man or WHITE Officer shoots black offender , not once but every 10 minutes during news .
Now a Female BLACK Officer shoots unarmed white male and no racial decription
same with all the attacks on white men and women by Violent Black repeat Offenders
No descriptions
yep they are racist
Had they only had kicked or stomped on his balls...it would not even had made the news.
Drop and give me 20 Cadet Beck
Climb that rope!
And take a shower this time. No changing clothes!
What, what's this? A gym excuse?
That's twice now! What's going on, Beck?
Cycle ass? Cycle ass is an excuse?
WTF is cycle ass?
Boy, don't you ever wear blue jeans again without underwear.
Were you raised in a barn?
Answer me, Beck!
BECK!
Just saw the video, all I have to say is WTF!
RT
Retired and happy!
newsworthy?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/us-counterterrorism-officials-warn-police-to-be-on-alert-for-ambush-attacks/index.html
Stripped of police powers = Callback = no star or ID, police powers taken away, still getting paid. Stripped w/30 pending= no police powers, no pay, stay at home, separation being sought. When enough evidence is found or created, stripped officers can become stripped w/ 30 pending. IAD used to do that around the holidays to coppers at callback, come in and drag you off the floor and tell you your being fired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets not forget the most important issue with stripping these officers. You now took the authority away from them to carry a weapon. Whether it's these officers or officers with many years on the job, nobody should be relieved of their powers, and certainly not take the ability to defend themselves from someone they may have had on duty encounters with.
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The incident proved they cannot defend themselves and are incapable of making sound Use of Force decisions. It was clear they do not know what they were doing, hence, they have no right to carry their firearms right now...
I made a comment last week that was very unpopular here. I said that the coppers who decided to instead of using discretion and keeping a cool head and using common sense instead of locking up the teenage homicide victims mom at the hospital just had the charges dropped.. just like I called. The mother is reluctantly if at all cooperating with the police department with this homicide... like I also called and she has retained lovey and lovey for a lawsuit... like I also called. But I was bashed because I said this was going to happen and I called out the young 3 year tac kids who escalated this situation and decided to lock up a homicide victims mother. They were clearing out the ER.. that’s fine but when it’s the mother you can’t start mother fucking her and threatening he and when she goes off you can’t understand that?? Here is a veteran move. TALK to the family first. Let them know that all of the other people need to leave the ER room because of hospital police. We will make an exception for you mom and one or two family members to stay to talk with for as long as you need until the detectives arrive.. but now. They literally needed to make a human wall and decide to push everyone out and threaten to lock them up by “get out or your getting locked up” with tough attitudes and cool tactical shirts and pants. Learn to talk and BS people in order to get what you want. You get the majority of the trouble makers out of the ER and you keep mom calm by just letting her and one or two other family remain. Once the crowd leaves let the detectives take it over with the mother and you can leave. These guys are gonna learn a big lesson in this civil process and they are gonna be embarrassed with their stupidity even from their own attorneys. Idiots.
Fop election results anyone?
Again the Cook County States Attorneys office is dropping battery charges against the woman who kicked and attacked a cop in the hospital. Did anyone ask the officer if he wanted to drop the charges? This is all bullshit and the ASA has got to go. Police being victims now mean nothing to this asa.
OT
Pochantas sayz: "The worst part of all this is all those
little girls will have to wait four more years."
(Well if ya didn't give them false hope in the first place.
Pochantas was Harvard Law's first "woman of color"
eventhough she lied to get that job. She should be ashamed.)
Get woke, bitches.
Unbelievable
https://abc7chicago.com/prosecutors-dropping-misdemeanor-charges-against-mother-of-nursing-student-killed-in-avalon-park-shooting/5987508/
Work with an Anti-Catholic officer who is a Pro BLM Racist antagonist and his take is the department and FBI are coming after the officers because they are black and offender white. He’s forever trying to bait White and Hispanic officers into a racial beef. This whole unfortunate situation is just the follow up to the, “ Be The Change” videos and the beginning of the most embarrassing decade we’ll ever have in our history. The lack of impulse control department is now here.
" Anonymous said...
Again, the video "looks" bad, but what will the completed investigation show. So far, it does appear that they followed the use of force continuum...."
Really? Where in the use of force continuum does it say you should shoot an unarmed man in the back (after shooting him once already) as he runs?
They'll have a devil's advocate. It will be a lawyer defending them, and he'll be getting paid. Leave it to him. These two make every cop in the country look like boobs.
FYI
When a Presidential Candidate says they are "suspending"
their campaign, it's NOT a permanent drop out. It's like
hitting "PAUSE". In other words, they still KEEP any funds
raised for future campaigns, pay off staffers, pay off debt.
YOU FOOLS! These people are NOT poor!
Worse yet are the greedy bitches who lie to young girls
saying they too have a shot (BULLSHIT!)
Get woke, bitches.
To the 10:49 post would you feel that way if it was your son or husband? didn't think so. They will get their hearing and then be fired and possibly a few years in jail for the shooter.. FOP cannot or will not save their sorry asses. Will deserve whatever is coming their way.
I can see the officer who fired her weapon in fear for her job, but, why the other officer who did not fire his weapon? Why should he lose his job?
Sadly Call Back is a place where injured officers go to recover from injuries or illness but sometimes stay forever and when you are involved in a domestic you will be there for a long time as the department drags thier feet in order to punish you. It's a shithole and I was there for about a month while I went thru a BS alcohol abuse class that I paid for in order to get my beef completed. Yes I came to work on days after a night of drinking 8 hours before work.had a Random drug test per chance and blew hot for alcohol. Thank God I had a good Sgt. Who brought me back to the unit. Yes I still drink but have not got caught and sent back to callback.
3/05/2020 08:42:00 AM
Atta boy. You get the Lt Scholls Medal of Honor! And if you do get caught again,it'll be everyone else's fault!
Anonymous said...
"Shooter’s mom is otj in a south side district. Shooter and her partner have a little over 2 years otj and were detailed to CTA detail by reverse seniority. What could possibly go wrong?"
3/05/2020 09:40:00 AM
So they're both little short-armed, roly-poly Oompah-Loompah
can't-get-out-of-their-own-way, danger to themselves/everybody
else diversity hires?
Bet a c-note that mom put daughter up to coming on the job.
"Easy Money" and other such.
Right?
Until time comes to REALLY earn that easy money the hard way.
So glad this didn't turn into a disarm.
She has ZERO business being on the job.
In the old days, if you questioned another officers potential blunder, it was done in a whisper. We were ashamed to critique somebody's mistake out loud. It was frowned upon. We were taught to always support our own. It was us against them. I never would imagine people would be publicly criticizing the actions of one of our own, seemingly in concert with the progressive media and mayor.
3/05/2020 10:49:00 AM
I do tend to agree. The thing is that police work isn't an exact science. There's plenty of room for things to go wrong on any job,usually very fast and unexpected. This video may look bad but at the very beginning there was an asshole who could have gone along with the officers requests. Any sort of fighting on duty can lead to injury or being disarmed. If it's a bad shooting the idiot with the extra holes in him had plenty opportunities to avoid it. These guys were on a job,not out drunk shooting up the neighborhood.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets not forget the most important issue with stripping these officers. You now took the authority away from them to carry a weapon. Whether it's these officers or officers with many years on the job, nobody should be relieved of their powers, and certainly not take the ability to defend themselves from someone they may have had on duty encounters with.
3/05/2020 12:19:00 AM
They are free to get concealed carry like the rest of the population.
And I wouldn’t want that female carrying a gun, ever.
In their 2-3 years of police work, 1 year of it being academy and field training, how many bad guys do you think these two locked up, that they need to fear retribution from said bad guys? Maybe 4 domestic arrests each? Give me a break. Mechanics and used car salesmen make more enemies than these two. The world is safer without them carrying.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Devil's Advocate here:
- lawful arrest.detention
- verbal commands didn't work
- subject was actively resisting
- both officers have injuries
- hands on control tactics didn't work
- 2 Tasers didn't work
- pepper spray didn't work
- subject grabbed and reached into a backpack: shot fired
Questions:
- At any time did ofnd try to grab cops' guns? Why did cop call out :shoot him:?
- How long did the overall struggle last? Video is a minimum of 2 minutes.
Again, the video "looks" bad, but what will the completed investigation show. So far, it does appear that they followed the use of force continuum. Except that de-escalation thing, you know, when should just let all offenders go who resist.
Show me on use of force where you can shoot an active resistor
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sadly Call Back is a place where injured officers go to recover from injuries or illness but sometimes stay forever and when you are involved in a domestic you will be there for a long time as the department drags thier feet in order to punish you. It's a shithole and I was there for about a month while I went thru a BS alcohol abuse class that I paid for in order to get my beef completed. Yes I came to work on days after a night of drinking 8 hours before work.had a Random drug test per chance and blew hot for alcohol. Thank God I had a good Sgt. Who brought me back to the unit. Yes I still drink but have not got caught and sent back to callback.
3/05/2020 08:42:00 AM
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I wish you would have posted your name so that I know what unit to NEVER put in for. And the name of your sergeant. Anyone who blows hot for alcohol 8 HOURS after their last drink knowing he’s going in to work is clearly someone with no regard for his own well-being or that of anyone he works with. Same goes for a sergeant would bring that person back to the unit.
Of you could just stop being a compulsive liar and admit that your last drink was nowhere near 8 hours before shift. But you’re such a narcissist (look at me I’m in a unit), liar, and blame shifter (I’m sure everything is everyone else’s fault and you are merely a victim of a bad roll of the drug screen dice) that there’s no way you can be honest with anyone - even yourself.
Get some help man, you obviously need it. AA is a good program, and there are others. Get help before you kill yourself or someone else.
Very simple here folks. Policy is stricter than state law. They may legally be fine in regards to any possible criminal charges, but out of policy.
From what little I've read, it appears that the shooting was a bit overboard. At the same time, though, the perp was an idiot: why put up a fight over something that probably rates a citation? Especially in Chicago where armed criminals get released O.R.
But my question was this: why? In Chicago's political climate, officers would be wise to wear blinders and follow the model of Sgt. "I see nothing!" Schultz.
I understand that most cops feel duty-bound to do their jobs but in today's reality, it makes more sense, in some cases, to just say WTF and move on.
I blame the merit command bosses who allowed two fairly new officers to work together and then put pressure on them to solve the crimes on the CTA. New officers should not be assigned to Mass Transit. They don’t have any police experience
Do not forget....democrat ticket....VOTE CONWAY
Anonymous said...
A little birdie that works at HR tells me that (as of yesterday 04 March) that +/- 15 people have said “thanks, but no thanks” to the sergeants promotion. A good percentage of those on the list are from detective/investigative units, a few are from Forensics and a couple from Canine. It speaks volumes as to just how shitty this job has become when people pass on a sizable base salary increase and bigger pension. I would love to hear from some of those that declined as to their reason(s) why. I can assume most don’t think the extra $$$ is worth the liability attached to the chevrons, especially in this day and age and with the caliber of assholes they’re hiring who they’d be supervising. Not to mention some of the units these people are in are pretty sweet gigs all things considered, a lot of OT, etc. Also heard a handful turned down the detective promotion. Thoughts?
3/05/2020 01:16:00 AM
Your little birdie is full of crap. Did you little birdie tell you no one will be signing up for the next sgts exam for the same reasons?
3/05/2020 12:43:00 PM
Det James Maloney (620) passed on the promotion. He probably makes as much as a Captain now with all the benefits that come with the detective division. So there is one that proves the little birdie was correct.
Mass Transit Unit
Who the Fck is the LEADER ?
You’re all correct, there’s NO LEADERSHIP
CPD is all about the Rank and Power while
raking in the big buck$
Every person for themselves, department.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Lets not forget the most important issue with stripping these officers. You now took the authority away from them to carry a weapon. Whether it's these officers or officers with many years on the job, nobody should be relieved of their powers, and certainly not take the ability to defend themselves from someone they may have had on duty encounters with".
Dumb comment, as they proved they shouldn't be given police powers due to their stupidity. Also with the number of suicides and all they maybe facing, better they don't have the gun. Ever think of that?
As far as the mom in the ER, stupid move arresting her. Didn't these fools know how it would turn out? Look at who was elected mayor and her puppet sup. She hates cops, endorsed Kim Faux. So yes talk to them as if you really have compassion and empathy for them, perhaps not easy but much smarter to try that first before the tough guy approach. Things can be said many ways, the same sentence can sound different depending how you say it. Did they try everything before arresting her or just got into a yelling match with her and she got her back up. Anyone losing a child like this will be very angry, upset and ready to break, lots of emotions. Even a useless scumbag like this. Now she sues and gets rich. Another satisfied ghetto lotto customer. Another great moment to highlight the problems of CPD and it will give Larry more reason to reform it at any cost. So of course she wants to keep tight control. The next sup will be a doozy I'm sure.
Isn't it a pity, if only those two idiots had been white and shot a black guy instead. I'm sure Groot thought of it. She could have been famous worldwide for her progressive change-agent stance and pandering skills. At least the biased media stayed in line and downplayed the story as they were told to do.
OT- Cook County isn't the only ones with idiots in charge and insanely brief sentences. In Iowa, "Joseph Matthew Smith a 23-year-old Native American male who now identifies as a female has been released after receiving treatment for gender reassignment over the past two years at Newton Correctional Facility and being deemed by the state as no longer a threat". Due note he served a very short time for his crimes. He was convicted in 2015 for the rape of as many as 15 victims ranging in age from 1 to 13 when he was a student at Midwest Christian Services. Shocking and sickening. Iowa is sick too.
OT: So it's now being reported that the female officer involved in the subway shooting has a prior arrested for assault 2 years ago. She tried attacking a McDonalds fast food worker in the drive through window. The case was later dropped when the victim failed to appear. WOW, you just can't make this shit up when it comes to this police department.
3/05/2020 08:35:00 PM
The liberal virus is affecting everyplace in this country. If you want to read a very eye opening book read “Why Meadow Died” by Andrew Pollack. His daughter Meadow was one of the victims of the Margery Stoneman Douglas school shooting in Florida. He gives a broad look at the liberal policies implemented by Obama’s Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, and others, and how the policies and politics of restorative justice helped create the monster who did the shooting. Also how and why the Broward County school board justified keeping those policies in place. A very interesting read. The Chicago Public Library doesn’t carry it and when you read the book you will know why. Got my copy from the Oak Lawn Public Library.
Charlie may have done these officers a favor by having the charges against the shootee dropped.
If he had remained charged he would eventually be sent to a misdemeanor court and the officers would have to testify prompted by an ASA who in all probability is as inexperienced as the officers. In other words, all evidence would be entered into testimony. And all charges most likely dropped at that time.
At a later date, if charged, the officers could end up in felony court or in Federal court and all prior testimony would be in the hands of the prosecution. And between court appearances evidence could possible change, but testimony cannot differ from the original court proceedings.
I'm not saying they deserve any consideration, but isn't everyone entitled to certain rights?
What is there to investigate? I don’t think people are arguing if it was a probable cause stop or if they had legal authority to stop him. It’s clear they did. What’s also clear is she discharged her firearm at an unarmed, non combative subject. The offender didn’t throw any strikes. I think you’d have a hard time classifying him as an assailant at all. He is an active resister. Active resistance does not authorize lethal force. Is there a different argument?
Blogger Patrick said...
As a ordinary citizen I say you should all strike. Give them the city they deserve, stop putting yourselves in harms way for a city that clearly does not want you.
3/05/2020 11:02:00 AM
Striking is a violation of state law.......
Anonymous said...
I blame the merit command bosses who allowed two fairly new officers to work together and then put pressure on them to solve the crimes on the CTA. New officers should not be assigned to Mass Transit. They don’t have any police experience
3/05/2020 07:34:00 PM
Shit bro, most of the veteran cops down there don’t have any police experience.
There is no presumption of innocence for ANYONE in this STATE, cops included. Ironically, it is the opening phrase of Article 22 causing that very real problem.
They both have no business owning a gun or any type of badge other then an ID badge. They have no idea about being the police or use of force BUT at least she didnt miss her target and hit any other "innocent passer-Byers".
They should start going back through their files to see who investigated them, cleared them, and passed them for each test they ever took while going through the process and academy. Hold those people responsible for these 2 officers incredible lack of common sense.
Anonymous said...
Just another example of some asshole shot by the police, who clearly precipitated the entire incident HIMSELF, by not complying with simple instructions. I hope he wakes up every morning for the rest of his pathetic life with pain and discomfort, before he pisses away all of his soon to be fortune.
3/05/2020 10:00:00 AM
A witness in the train car said the M1 Officer approached and was excessively confrontational with the victim over something people do on trains all the time — change cars. The guy got off the train and the male officer chased and yelled at him like he was one of America’s Most Wanted. All over an offense that rates a ticket? The F1 may have shot the guy, but the M1 definitely instigated it and did repeatedly tell his partner to “shoot him.”
As far as the mom in the ER, stupid move arresting her. Didn't these fools know how it would turn out? Look at who was elected mayor and her puppet sup. She hates cops, endorsed Kim Faux. So yes talk to them as if you really have compassion and empathy for them, perhaps not easy but much smarter to try that first before the tough guy approach. Things can be said many ways, the same sentence can sound different depending how you say it. Did they try everything before arresting her or just got into a yelling match with her and she got her back up. Anyone losing a child like this will be very angry, upset and ready to break, lots of emotions. Even a useless scumbag like this. Now she sues and gets rich. Another satisfied ghetto lotto customer. Another great moment to highlight the problems of CPD and it will give Larry more reason to reform it at any cost. So of course she wants to keep tight control. The next sup will be a doozy I'm sure.
Fuck you inside asshat. They battered a policeman. They go to jail. Simple.
whats with people resisting all the time ? He was clearly fighting with them , so why were charges dropped ?
"" Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think officers who have been relieved of their police power ARE detailed to callback
3/05/2020 12:21:00 AM""
Depends on your clout. If your heavy enough you might even land in a better spot. I was in CB for an injury, shit unit back then ran by a jagoff, and we had an LT. who was accused of fucking his under aged step daughter. All he did was sit behind the main desk reading the newspaper and coming and going when he pleased. He ended up taking the plea deal and retiring.
We hated CB so bad we tried getting out even after heart attacks and/or dragging a broken leg but we had that urologist jagoff running the medical back then and he wouldn't let anyone go back to the street. So we were left playing One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest until One guy had to finally sue on his own to get back since the FOP didn't give a fuck about us.
I always felt sorry for the guys at CB. Dont get me wrong we had a few beauts there but most were guys who'd been the real deal and their hearts gave out or who got racked up in these fucking car accidents. A lot were getting the high hard one from the Dept. and didn't have the juice to get a ghost spot. Some guys got caught fucking other girls and the old Lady put BS beefs in on them....ect
So dont look down at the guys at CB. Your one split second away from being there yourself, especially nowadays. This kid would have been better off being a nurses aid or something and both were to young to have better sense then stepping into this shit pile. We got plenty of guys who'd do no better so this isn't a "girl" thing.
If you can't, or wont, defend yourself you shouldn't be the Police.
Iowa is sick too
Its pretty much every state and even red states. The system is completely broken across the board.
Show me on use of force where you can shoot an active resistor
Devil's Advocate here:
- lawful arrest.detention
- verbal commands didn't work
- subject was actively resisting
- both officers have injuries
- hands on control tactics didn't work
- 2 Tasers didn't work
- pepper spray didn't work
- subject grabbed and reached into a backpack: shot fired
One can make an argument that after all that, reaching into a jacket or backpack that hasn't been searched may indicate going for a weapon. At that point the active resistor becomes a potential assailant. Again, right or wrong, that argument can be made.
Anonymous said...
OT.... a must read. Still speachless
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/new-da-will-start-tossing-gun-drug-charges-that-stem-from-legit-traffic-stops-Rfe83isj6UO-u9rXFO1QNQ
3/05/2020 06:49:00 AM
Must be genetic.
Boudin was born in New York City to Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, who were Weather Underground members.[2]
When Boudin was 14 months old, his parents were arrested for murder in their role as getaway car drivers in the Brink's robbery of 1981 in Rockland County, New York. His mother was sentenced to 20 years to life[4] and his father to 75 years to life for the felony murders of two police officers and a security guard.[5] After his parents were incarcerated, Boudin was raised in Chicago by adoptive parents Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who, like his parents, had been members of the Weather Underground.
3/05/2020 10:00:00 AM
A witness in the train car said the M1 Officer approached and was excessively confrontational with the victim over something people do on trains all the time — change cars. The guy got off the train and the male officer chased and yelled at him like he was one of America’s Most Wanted. All over an offense that rates a ticket? The F1 may have shot the guy, but the M1 definitely instigated it and did repeatedly tell his partner to “shoot him.”
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Well it looks like this is a wrap. All because a third party guy-told this guy-what happened...
My thoughts-Fuck off troll...
A witness in the train car said the M1 Officer approached and was excessively confrontational with the victim over something people do on trains all the time — change cars. The guy got off the train and the male officer chased and yelled at him like he was one of America’s Most Wanted. All over an offense that rates a ticket? The F1 may have shot the guy, but the M1 definitely instigated it and did repeatedly tell his partner to “shoot him.”
3/06/2020 01:15:00 AM
You did see the part where he actively resisted arrest and ignored numerous commands to stop resisting right?
Where’s the outrage? Where are the reverends? Why aren’t there marches and why isn’t this video blasted all over the world on the news? Why isn’t his mama on TV with his 8th grade graduation picture?
It's a shithole and I was there for about a month while I went thru a BS alcohol abuse class that I paid for in order to get my beef completed. Yes I came to work on days after a night of drinking 8 hours before work.had a Random drug test per chance and blew hot for alcohol. Thank God I had a good Sgt. Who brought me back to the unit. Yes I still drink but have not got caught and sent back to callback.
3/05/2020 08:42:00 AM
So you blew hot 8hrs after your last drink hahaha yeah, okay. More like someone smelled alcohol on your breath and dropped a dime. And do explain how a sgt was abke to bring you back to call back? Who dro you there and there's a process for when you blow hot.. your story blows hot air up my ass... what'd ya leave out? ?
can see the officer who fired her weapon in fear for her job, but, why the other officer who did not fire his weapon? Why should he lose his job?
3/05/2020 05:31:00 PM
Watch video i think he tried to might of had a malfunction of weapon you see him unholster then holster on the escalator but mostl5for yelling repeatedly shoot him
Charges dropped by Asa office , f/B attacks a police officer
She should have been charged with a felony , only charged with misdemeanor and the community say poleece need to know how to behaves . Did these low life’s ever think , maybe listen , shut your big mouths 👄 , obey police , hospital verbal commands and do not act out like a criminal attacking the police.
If you want to be treated with respect act civilized , quit using race for your criminal behavior, act like a human being . Did any of these woman grow up with Parents that taught them not to attack other people.
I doubt it .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A witness in the train car said the M1 Officer approached and was excessively confrontational with the victim over something people do on trains all the time — change cars. The guy got off the train and the male officer chased and yelled at him like he was one of America’s Most Wanted. All over an offense that rates a ticket? The F1 may have shot the guy, but the M1 definitely instigated it and did repeatedly tell his partner to “shoot him.”
3/06/2020 01:15:00 AM
You did see the part where he actively resisted arrest and ignored numerous commands to stop resisting right?
3/06/2020 10:46:00 AM
Resisting arrest for what? Switching train cars? That’s a ticket, not an arrest. CPD doesn’t chase carjackers, but we chase, tackle and shoot CTA passengers who switch cars?
Resisting arrest for what? Switching train cars? That’s a ticket, not an arrest. CPD doesn’t chase carjackers, but we chase, tackle and shoot CTA passengers who switch cars?
3/07/2020 02:32:00 AM
He forfeited the option for a ticket when he refused to cooperate and required the officers to pursue him and put hands on him. The shooting was probably not justified, but after tasing,spraying, and rolling around on the ground with this goof, what should they have done? Just let him walk away?
Anonymous said...
Nobody knows what really happened yet. Sometimes you're in a fight for your life and it doesn't look like it...did the guy try to get the officer's gun, did he bite him, who knows? Surely the call to shoot should be in the direst of cases....but they were alone down there with no radio contact? I've been in situations where it literally took 6-8 people to handcuff one guy. If I wasn't there I'd probably say that was an exaggeration....and it still took several minutes with all those officers. To repeatedly say, "shoot him", there had to be some life-threatening, terrifying moments where it was you or him. Look at the defense's argument re: Paul Bauer---are you f-ing kidding me?
I still don't know why that female officer wasn't on the ground helping. As a female p.o., there have been many times where you are in a fight, especially to save your partner from harm first, and to get the mutt second. But again, nobody knows but those on the scene. Please post where to buy fundraiser tickets.
3/05/2020 06:29:00 AM
You're a female police officer and you are asking "Why didn't the "mutt" filming step in to help, instead of staying there filming?"
Ah, "helpless and not helpless" police female asking why some civilian mutt male didn't help? LOL , make up your mind. Well the bottom line is that "witness" does not have police power or sovereign immunity to effect an arrest using physical force assisting actual police officers. You are asking why a bystander did not assume all the 'sideways" liabilities involved by doing so? You don't appear to grasp the difference between police and civilians? I 'll make it easy.
For the same reason , when road constriction is going on and nobody stops, gets of their car , and jumps in the nearest bulldozer to help. The road crew will love the help , even if the person has never driven a bulldozer in their life. Sabe' ?
They still have not brought up if this guy was an alien or not. Which would the most probable reason for him not taking a ticket for car-jumping, No I.D. The fleeing/fighting to get away was inevitable after that as he was carrying a felonious amount of drugs, but does not explain not taking the cheap ticket , instead of losing $$$ drugs/going to jail/getting shot.
And the criminal certainly could not see winning the ghetto lottery, but there will be a lot more now trying because of this stupid incident with massive payout because of the Democrat/liberal anti-police bandwagon.
Damned if you do , damned if you don't . Ghetto lotto/frivolous lawsuits either way, though police actions taken out of context or incompetency or the soon to be "failure to provide security for public transport'.
that unarmed male white did not fit the description of all the violent offenders on CTA trains
looks m like black police were harassing a male white to get an easy anov , why did they shoot him .
no 24/7 new coverage , not one news reporter used race to describe officers or victim shot by police
You're a female police officer and you are asking "Why didn't the "mutt" filming step in to help, instead of staying there filming?"
Ah, "helpless and not helpless" police female asking why some civilian mutt male didn't help? LOL , make up your mind. Well the bottom line is that "witness" does not have police power or sovereign immunity to effect an arrest using physical force assisting actual police officers. You are asking why a bystander did not assume all the 'sideways" liabilities involved by doing so? You don't appear to grasp the difference between police and civilians? I 'll make it easy.
For the same reason , when road constriction is going on and nobody stops, gets of their car , and jumps in the nearest bulldozer to help. The road crew will love the help , even if the person has never driven a bulldozer in their life. Sabe' ?
3/07/2020 05:41:00 PM
Here's the relevant part of the Illinois Compiled Statutes for you, Skippy:
"(725 ILCS 5/107-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-8)
Sec. 107-8. Assisting peace officer). (a) A peace officer making a lawful arrest may command the aid of persons over the age of 18.
(b) A person commanded to aid a peace officer shall have the same authority to arrest as that peace officer.
(c) A person commanded to aid a peace officer shall not be civilly liable for any reasonable conduct in aid of the officer.
(Source: P.A. 80-360.)"
And
"(720 ILCS 5/7-5) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-5)
Sec. 7-5. Peace officer's use of force in making arrest. (a) A peace officer, or any person whom he has summoned or directed to assist him, need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to defend himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest."
The only thing that seems to be missing in this case is the officer commanding, directing, or summoning anyone to assist. However, if that happened, there would be no civil liability to the citizen helping the police, as long as they acted reasonably. I believe, even if not commanded or summoned to help, that a citizen would not be very likely to be arrested for HELPING a police officer take someone into custody. I have common sense though. Police work is not road "constriction." Your comparison is ridiculous. The reason no one helped is because they are cowards who just don't care. Educate yourself or keep your uneducated opinion to yourself.
Here's a little bonus part of the ILCS for you to chew on:
"(720 ILCS 5/31-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 31-8)
Sec. 31-8. Refusing to aid an officer.
Whoever upon command refuses or knowingly fails reasonably to aid a person known by him to be a peace officer in:
(a) Apprehending a person whom the officer is authorized to apprehend; or
(b) Preventing the commission by another of any offense, commits a petty offense."
He forfeited the option for a ticket when he refused to cooperate and required the officers to pursue him and put hands on him. The shooting was probably not justified, but after tasing,spraying, and rolling around on the ground with this goof, what should they have done? Just let him walk away?
3/07/2020 09:02:00 AM
If the options are to let him walk away or illegally shoot him, then yes, let him walk away. Fortunately, those weren't the only options, nor will they ever be. He's standing there, presenting no threat, especially not a deadly one. You can't use deadly force. You just can't. At that point, you go back to verbal direction, physical control tactics, pain compliance, emergency takedown, taser, pepper spray, open hand strikes, knee and elbow strikes, punches, kicks, batons, wrestling, biting, scratching, hair-pulling, bending fingers back, eye-poking, etc. BEFORE even thinking of using DEADLY FORCE. It's a last resort, when necessary, proportional, and reasonable based on the actions of the offender. Nothing in this scenario made deadly force necessary, proportional, or reasonable. It's always better to let someone walk away than to shoot them without justification. Better for them, better for you, and better for the other officers who won't have to deal with the backlash for an unjustified shooting.
" The shooting was probably not justified" as stated in line 2.
But thank you for your "deadly force" lecture.
" The shooting was probably not justified" as stated in line 2.
But thank you for your "deadly force" lecture.
3/09/2020 09:08:00 AM
The rest of your post suggested deadly force was a viable option, which it wasn't. And you asked a question, which I answered. You and others seem confused about when deadly force is authorized, so you're welcome. I hope you learned something.
I did learn something. I learned that your reading comprehension skills are pathetic. Where in God's name does my post suggest that deadly force was a viable option? For the 3rd time, "the shooting was probably not justified". But they could not have just let him walk away after tasing, spraying and fighting with him. They should have persisted in effecting the arrest until assist units arrived.(Even though that male officer was clearly on his own) I have no confusion about when deadly force is authorized.
"The shooting was probably not justified, but after tasing,spraying, and rolling around on the ground with this goof, what should they have done?"
The structure of this sentence, leading with "the shooting is PROBABLY not justified," followed by "after (bunch of other force options)," and ending with "what should they have done," followed by absolutely no suggestions for what else they should have done, suggests that you don't realize the shooting was ABSOLUTELY not justified, since you said PROBABLY, and that you believed shooting him was a viable option, since you left it open as a possible option, and offered no other options, aside from letting him walk away. I can comprehend anything you post just fine. I can't comprehend things that you don't post. You have confusion about when deadly force is authorized, as illustrated very clearly in your post. I assume you have confusion about a lot of things though. Now that you've made me use more commas than I've ever used in a post on here, please give it a rest. I'm not your mommy or your teacher. Figure something out on your own.
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