Defund by Attrition
So Groot asks people to pray for the wounded police (even though she's an avowed atheist) and gives faint praise that Officers risk their lives every day.
From one of our insiders at the Hall:
From one of our insiders at the Hall:
- Groot is going to send her next few budgets to the City Council with a cumulative total of 2,000 CPD Officer positions cut, so kind of a "soft" defunding since she'll be spending less.
This would be like it was around 2006 with the hiring freeze that left Districts decimated, pretty much all elective time off cancelled and crime steadily climbing due to less cops on the streets. This also means a lot less people paying into a pension that is withering.
One hundred toothpicks says the City Council approves her budgets 40 to 10.
One hundred toothpicks says the City Council approves her budgets 40 to 10.
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
91 Comments:
SCC = Rain Man
If he says 100 toothpicks, it's 100 toothpicks.
Bank on it!
Maybe her grand plan IS to destroy and nreak your pensions. She is that shady and evil.
So much for the MANDATE in the consent decree to hire personnel!!!!!!!!
How would you decided which 2,000 go? By seniority? What about all the people that put in their retirement paperwork? We are going to be so short that we won’t hav lives and days off won’t exist.
I guess that means the consent decree is finished so we must be reformed. Where does that leave Babs West and the Office of Constitutional Policing?
Maybe she is recognizing how many Chicagoans are going to be fleeing a failed and fu--ed up Chicago these next few years.
Mayor Runt doesn’t care about the safety and health of her community that she so desperately relies on for votes, she’ll never have to live there or near there after she leaves being mayor. She is also sending the same F. U. to the rest of Chicago. Hell, that 2,000 positions probably would have just broke even with all rank retirements, so the hole will actually be bigger as more retirements come on line. Everyday I think that this shithole can’t get any worse and the next day I’m proven wrong. It gets worse than the day before.
When property tax revenues plummet as everyone abandons Chicago and Illinois, cutting 2,000 coppers will be the minimum.
Of course the CPS and other departments will need to expand, because nothing makes a city more livable than a big useless bureaucracy instead of safe streets.
The cuts won't matter this time, the population of the city will be decreasing at a rapid pace. I'll be here to vote one last time against these malignant cancer tumors and I'll be out. I just have to make sure where I plan on moving isn't being infested by these transplanted democrats.
Budget will be cut, crime will go up and Chicago tourism and conventions will continue to rapidly shrink and so will City revenue - City insolvency is coming to a head and fast. When it pops, the puss will ooze and the smell will raunchy.
Every week or so CPD puts on the Monday or Tuesday "gun show."
I keep asking myself, "who, why are they taking guns off the street? " The risks have been explained a million times
on this blog and face to face with the recovering officers. Dumb, stupid, death wish, etc, etc, etc
Cops risking their jobs, freedom, lives just to say, "on view UUW, from 1234 shitstreet, give me a rd."
Please put in to come to 16 or 25.
You are wanted here.
Sorry, you are not making a difference on the west or south side.
I was young once too, I get it, its challenging in our version of challenging.
It doesnt matter. Hundreds if not thousands have gone before you with the same idea.
Is it better?
Come to the home front where 1st responders are still appreciated.
Let the rest of the city get what it wants.
I enjoy watching this shit while in retirement— 2014 boys. I wonder how is is gonna end.
Unless something has changed (which I’m sure it hasn’t as it’s protected via our existing CBA), all civilian positions have to be cut before the first sworn officer is laid off.
So go suck a sweaty clam, mayor Larry.
Is this a shell game?.. Are these those positions that are budgeted for but not filled? Like how we are budgeted for X officers but only actually employ way less
Unfortunately, just guess why this reduction is on tap ? The legal beavers got back to the mayor's office & the governor about licensing police . Well well well , it would disband COPA etc , why you ask ? Every single professional board from doctors, lawyers, teachers, tradesman , judges even politicians being impeached in Illinois has an oversight by guess who ? Other professionals in that same field. Even military court marshalls are determined by other military members. Due to they found out they can't have a real police licensing board without oversight by sworn police. Funny or Ironic ? FOP probably could sue to get rid of COPA & the police board & replace it with police, but it would cost too much money & cause riots. But a licensing board would legally pave the way for that due to current established Illinois labor boards and legal precedence.
I don’t care if she cuts it by 5,000. Let us move out of this FUCKING SHITHOLE.
SIGNED A LIFELONG CHICAGOAN OF MANY MANY GENERATIONS WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
PS - We all know that if we are staffed at the 11,500 level the crime will be insurmountable and the city will go through another hiring frenzy much like 2011-today. That’s IF anyone wants this job.
Yeah Know, this isn't any 'first amendment; Second amendment shit. It is a full blown communist try at the government.
So? Even if they might win what are you prepared to do next?
Just asking. Is their a political prophylactic?
I'm guessing that 2000 spots aren't being cut and more like 2000 are getting the fu@k out.
So go have a few thousand business cards printed up with groots personal contact info, as well as a few favorite aldercreatures personal info and start handing them out at shootings and large crowds. Print a heading that reads, “in case of emergence, call;”. Call 24/7.
Fuck those bastards. Let the figure this shit out. Brown won’t be around for this shit anyway.
Yes, so I gather it would be like a hiring freeze & waiting for 2,000 retirees. Doesn’t this go against the #BeTheChange B.S. narrative too then?
If it means my property taxes aren't increased then cut away. The only way we can save our pension is the lakefront casino, no if ands or buts.
expect anything less? Just more of the bullshit Politics.
Well then! Then everyone needs to help in cutting the budget. We can start with the teachers. This remote learning will be a boom. The teachers don’t want to be in classrooms for fear of catching the Coronavirus. Can you blame them? So now we can see the kids can learn from home on a video screen that the CPS has given out. So we have about 300,000 students and 21,000 teachers that's a ratio of 1 teacher for every 14 students. So we can’t put 21,000 teachers on remote video learning every day. But you could have a few teachers for each subject and grade level taught. Now one teacher can teach, let’s say 5th grade math, to hundreds or even thousands at the same time. Quite the savings for the city. But what to do with all those extra teachers we don’t need. Why keep them on the payroll doing nothing like we have been since March 2020. Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton suggested that the coal miners be taught coding (computer programing) since they want to close the coal mines. We could do the same for the teachers getting them something to do like jobs in the computer industry. This means less taxes for the citizens. And by eliminating a good number of the teachers you would need smaller police details for their protest and strike marches that clog the city. A win for everyone. DEFUND THE TEACHERS!
There are a lot of “not much work output” City jobs that should be defunded before defunding the police. And it’s been going on for generations and administrations.
Tiny dancer left 1000 police positions stay vacant and we all know how that turned out. Frogpuss is out of her league and has no clue what she is doing and neither does whoever is whispering in her ear. History is a great teacher if you pay attention to it.
Told you all two months ago that there would be a 2000 cut in manpower. Got to balance the budget somehow. That now.means a lot of you will be pulling the plug very soon which will be another big drain in an already underfunded pension fund. But what really could be the tiling point is there will be 2000fewer contributing to the pension fund. What are you going to do. Think things are bad now wait another year. GTFO now find a lateral transfer before it is to late.
Old contract is dead and new contract will have the no staffing language. Wait for the announcement. City can set staffing at will.
You can have my spot I’m going in September
The toughest ballet dancer cut positions from the budget and then proclaimed the CPD was at full-staff levels.
That pension that is withering is the direct fault of the current Pension Bd .
People need to wake up and watch them closely, or you will have zero when you retire.
Every time I say this job can’t get any worse I hear some bullshit like this.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If it means my property taxes aren't increased then cut away. The only way we can save our pension is the lakefront casino, no if ands or buts.
8/01/2020 02:51:00 AM
Who's gonna venture to downtown or the lakefront to gambl?. Getting there and getting back without packs of dogs on Divvies robbing, beating or carjacking you is the real gamble.
First off if this happens, the FOP needs to file in court to stopping the cancellation of days off. All officers need two days off to see what their family looks like. Then the FOP needs to push to have officers refuse OT.
Cut an additional 2000 has to be including retirements. If not with IODs, sick calls, furloughs and vacations roll caps will be 3 officers. Cant wait to see the back up on calls when that happens.
Having less officers paying into the pension funds means less city contributions. That IS a goal of the communist mayor!
That 2000 less number will be reached sooner than she thinks or wants. Anyone with time, options, or brains will be leaving. Oh yeah, F.U. Groot!!!!!!
It is not a good plan. She doesn't care!
Groot may really have no choice but to cut the size of the Department. Can't imagine the City getting enough decent applicants.
Start with re-assigning the 1,000 officers that guard her block while the rest of the city is up for grabs.
Lori's nice enough to leave you clues as to what will occur within the next year or so. I can see few changes to the contract in regards to lay-offs. All civilians laid off before sworn? That might change in favor of a bigger retro check. For you coppers with less than 5 years on the job. Dust off that resume. Good jobs are out there as long as you can pass a drug test. My partner recently left CPD to go work for the government, in a non-LE capacity. He makes less money but his job is stress-free and he isn't worried about being fired or indicted for doing his job. Cook County SUCKS!
PsyWar by the Mayor and the Media
Keep Voting DemoRat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The less the police there are means more black people killed. Funny how that works since their false narrative says the police are murdering them in incredible numbers. If we removed the police all together just imagine how many black people would die each year in Chicago. It would still be the polices fault though.
Hey SCC, any truth to the rumor that someone spit into an officers coffee cup from Dunkin’ at Archer and Rutherford?
No reason to have the over staffed tac teams.
No one seemed to believe it in 2006. Everybody still said we were 13500 strong. But to the observant officer things were growing much smaller and districts were falling in manpower, watches were always short, and time due was a struggle with the time due register books being cancelled and or taken away. More and more midnight watch cars were downed or ran 99 all night. Through creative management beat cars were down for half a tour and another for the other half and the anomaly was explained as down for 4 hours CU. Midnight roll calls were small enough and began taking place in the WC office.
Fast forward through a seemingly endless hiring freeze and here we are being defunded. Officers cant retire fast enough or are leaving altogether and they will have their 2000 less very soon. Time Due (ironic) is non existent on weekends, and days off are cancelled on a whim by city hall.
Take a look at the officers on your left and right. They may not be there next year. And no one will be there to replace them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please put in to come to 16 or 25.
You are wanted here.
Sorry, you are not making a difference on the west or south side.
I was young once too, I get it, its challenging in our version of challenging.
It doesnt matter. Hundreds if not thousands have gone before you with the same idea.
Is it better?
Come to the home front where 1st responders are still appreciated.
Let the rest of the city get what it wants.
So true. 14 years on the south side and bid north a year ago. Holy shit. Different fucking world. Not just the citizens, but the whole work atmosphere. I always wondered how people can be so happy about this job and going to work year after year, day after day, getting mother fucked multiple times a day, the occasional fight with shithead, the constant hateful rhetoric spewed at you, etc... I finally figured it out. The majority of those happy coppers didn’t spread 10, 15, 20 plus years on the west side or south side. Quality of life and police longevity Get the fuck out of the south and west side. They are lost. You do nothing but put yourself at risk for people who hate you. I know there are some good people there, but we don’t deal with them. Until the real issues are addressed regarding who is committing the disproportionate violent crime, their complete disregard for human life, their unwillingness to change or work, and the complete breakdown of the family structure, police will always be blamed.
Unless something has changed (which I’m sure it hasn’t as it’s protected via our existing CBA), all civilian positions have to be cut before the first sworn officer is laid off.
Not exactly. The contract says that a civilian doing the work that a PO can do must be laid off before a PO can be. They have created civilian positions with very specific non-sworn job descriptions, And those employees will not be going anywhere.
Shes going to do whatever she wants, screw some 9 year old, screw any safety issues, take from those who work and pay and give to those that don't.
2000 divided by 22 districts is 90 less officers per district. Better start cutting office staff and desk personnel. While we’re at it pull the cops out of the schools already and put Caps officers in a beat car. I’ve seen Cals in action while working from a Caps office for 6 months. Not impressed. Only catering to people who think they are VIP’s. Waste of manpower.
Why on earth isn't every member on this job going to Wisconsin for the weekend and then returning to quarantine for 14 days so this bitch has no one on the street. I also wonder why in the hell anyone would want to be on her detail. Sellouts
Let's admit it... Lot of those spots are useless anyway. Maybe I'm just saying that because I don't have clout nor ass kissing skills... But if you do use it. It's not like anyone else in cpd cares about anyone else lol
The city and state are going bankrupt along with all pension funds. Even if the fed bails them out, inflation will make your pension worthless. Use the time to prepare.
How many "city workers" are needed to cut a tree,dig a hole,work to fix trucks/cars in the dept? Hell i know a guy that makes 160.000 a year at 103rd in dept of fleet,that includes 3 hour naps..thats were the mayor should look at the budget....
Hope the CFD has the balls to vote down the contract that was offered....our CPD supervisors unions fucked us and CFD....sold us out and took a horrible contract.....
Somebody let her know that 2,000 less cops means 2,000 less paying into our pension fund....or is that the plan?
the city of chicago is so broke, they are going to rob peter to pay paul across the board......
the paying residents of chicago are in for a rough road ahead.
It's all part of the scheme, chase out all the opposition, all you have left are YOUR voters. This is being done in Milwaukee, Portland, etc. Then you spread them out just like a cancer. ITS A POLITICAL STRATEGY. Let your school systems get fucked up, crime rates rise, etc. Section 8 does wonders for a small town. Thank god Trump just repealed the Obama housing act that ensured a housing project for every suburb.
Just put the 1000 officers on the street from 35th headquarters
The overworked COPA is at a $16-20 million operation budget and is going to expand before any defunding or de-policing
Hiring freeze for police is a given. But Flip flop Larri is still going forward with that new Academy construction contract Rahm set up before abruptly quitting “for family reasons”. Get arounds for Con-job Decree mandates will be all on training and discipline and not staffing that Supervisor-to-PO ratio.
Cutting a “position” isn’t necessarily cutting a budget, although eliminating an entire District (consolidation) or Unit and move them over elsewhere (resource redistribution) looks like it’s a million dollar national agenda talking point. The bloated top heavies could stand to lose and maybe civilianized “associates” will be a cost saver.
Also, the only thing keeping the wasteful bloated CAPS program alive is a cleaver acronym.
Call it something else and it becomes new, streamlined and improved.
Let’s see, we have a new commander of Pick Up after a Community Unit with 200-400 sworn janitors...for now. What’s that worth thru October and will they be needed to clean snow and salt sidewalks into next year?
Creating a new budget for an army of $15 hr social monitors, oh it will be coming, in a year it they all can be outsourced to a private entity, by contract of course.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How would you decided which 2,000 go? By seniority? What about all the people that put in their retirement paperwork? We are going to be so short that we won’t hav lives and days off won’t exist.
8/01/2020 12:16:00 AM
That’s not a real question right? Your just trolling right? Please tell me your kidding.... Please.
Tiny dancer left 1000 police positions stay vacant and we all know how that turned out. Frogpuss is out of her league and has no clue what she is doing and neither does whoever is whispering in her ear. History is a great teacher if you pay attention to it.
8/01/2020 03:59:00 AM
Let’s not forget about how all those positions were filled in hiring that kept the academy filled for over a year and how that turned out
Cut 2000 cops but hire ass supt Malinowski at a $200,000 plus salary to do exactly what???
Everything upside down. Good is bad and bad is good. We, the police, are just as guilty. Pay us more and give us more time off. We, the police, cry about wanting more time off and taking the summers off and how nobody loves us, and yet we aren't registered nor show up to vote. We don't persuade our friends and family to vote. I say it starts with us.
If you want to defund the police start with the body cams, $30M savings overnight.
North Siders do not send your kids to DePaul College Prep, Lori Lightfoot is on the board of directors and the President of the school Mary Dempsey is very good friends with her and is anti police as well.
By eliminating positions by attrition and placing a hiring freeze, this is your defund plan all along. Eventually, when you hire new officers and weed out the old guard, the vetting process will be to "get a new breed" of people who will be softer and gentler, as in a social worker type who will be manhandled on the street or worse. You'll get the police department that you want.
Anonymous said...
How would you decided which 2,000 go? By seniority? What about all the people that put in their retirement paperwork? We are going to be so short that we won’t hav lives and days off won’t exist.
8/01/2020 12:16:00 AM
It's easy, retired spots do not get re-filled. About 500/600 leave every year and I'm sure there are already lots of empty spots so it will not take very long. And with COPA firing people by the dozens it's a cinch.
Just sayin.....
Anonymous said...
Well then! Then everyone needs to help in cutting the budget. We can start with the teachers. This remote learning will be a boom. The teachers don’t want to be in classrooms for fear of catching the Coronavirus. Can you blame them?
***You must be a fucking idiot...Teachers dont want to be in the classroom because they are too fucking lazy to go back to work after staying home for the past 4 months. Wake up you moron!!
You can have your fucking Decent Decree, your crying liberals, your pandering Fake Revrunds and hateful Mayor but when it comes down to it, the only way a City will heal and get better is to have politicians that want to make a difference and try to get everyone to work together NOT going on tv and bash certain Depts...how about acting as a peace maker and not be that USUAL DEMORAT where nothing but HATE and GREED is involved!!!
Pension fund is toast
Did she visit the injured 25th District officers or their family's ???
I say we start thinning the ranks at the top...how many Deputies, Etc etc do we have? Pretty soon we will have too many chiefs and not enough Indians (can I even say that in the “woke” world now?),
Once the contract is finalized. I think lots of retirement papers will be handed in . Those spots won’t be filled
We are under the consent decree and she can't do that. someone should send, and highlight this on the budget, to Hinkley etc. or whatever their name is who are in charge of overseeing that the consent decree is followed exactly as written. which is the hiring of more police officers....someone should seriously bring it to their attention.
Anonymous said...
Why on earth isn't every member on this job going to Wisconsin for the weekend and then returning to quarantine for 14 days so this bitch has no one on the street. I also wonder why in the hell anyone would want to be on her detail. Sellouts
8/01/2020 09:19:00 AM
As a former detail guy not for her but another elected official, enjoying my sergeants pay Pension because you get Sgt’s pay or if you are come out and you get commanders pay and a pension plus you get to uniform checks a year you got an extra one to buy your suits or whatever else you want plus you get unlimited overtime at Sgt’s pay when you were special employment you also get Sgt’s pay, any overtime initiatives Sgt pay overtime so there’s a reason. Oh and you get as much time off as you want and it’s never taken off the books so it’s not a bad gig, I know exactly what kind of coffee to get where to pick up the suits and where to get the toys for the kids But that would be on overtime, also you get new vehicles every six months to drive so you’re not driving some ratty ass pool car! So there’s a reason. Now go get your ticket book read some more tickets get your shine box to kid one day you can have a chance, and don’t say you wouldn’t do it because your pride stand in the way because I have to give you want to lorries famous fuck you!
The police positions they are trying to cut in Seattle, the council is trying to cut the positions not based on Seniority but by color...since the vast majority of new hires are more diverse, the council wants to make the cuts based out of turn. That has lawsuit written all over it.
Hope the CFD has the balls to vote down the contract that was offered....our CPD supervisors unions fucked us and CFD....sold us out and took a horrible contract.....
So how did the supervisors sell out? They agreed to monetary package only, everything else was decided by an arbitrator, including things he had no authority over, which will be the subject of a lawsuit.
I don’t see how she can cut 2000 positions when the consent decree mandates full staffing at all ranks, which they’ve been strictly adhering to.
For the officer saying for officers to go to 016 & 025 where they are appreciated, you must live in a time warp. I was getting a haircut today & both the hairdresser & client next to me were new moves to Portage Park area, both bought homes, not renters. Know another new home owner that is moving to Portage Park, all are “Bernie” supporters, all not supportive of police. All White, all college grads. I made unfortunate mistake of moving to an area where everyone thinks “tolerance” is the only answer...in other words, everyone else should tolerate bad behavior.
You have to lay off 2000 so the supervisors only have 10 officers under their 'span of control' like the decree says. There aren't enough supervisors. Period. Last weekend we had the 1 tact sgt watching 2 tact teams and the whole watch; probably about 50 people. Earlier in the week 1 sgt turned in a 3 page log.
Try telling the commander you need manpower, might as well talk to the wall.
The people in charge of the consent decree should be screaming at the top of their lungs. Department's solution? Send 3/4 officers for whatever training at the south side shithole with no parking. No one to answer calls, but who cares.....
2000 divided by 22 districts is 90 less officers per district. Better start cutting office staff and desk personnel. While we’re at it pull the cops out of the schools already and put Caps officers in a beat car. I’ve seen Cals in action while working from a Caps office for 6 months. Not impressed. Only catering to people who think they are VIP’s. Waste of manpower.
8/01/2020 09:04:00 AM
016 currently has around 120 total. Lolololol
Cut 2000 cops but hire ass supt Malinowski at a $200,000 plus salary to do exactly what???
8/01/2020 11:35:00 AM
Ass-xactly
First off if this happens, the FOP needs to file in court to stopping the cancellation of days off. All officers need two days off to see what their family looks like. Then the FOP needs to push to have officers refuse OT.
8/01/2020 07:02:00 AM
Slow down there sparky, DUTY AVAILABILITY
Why the hell do they need Aldercreatures? Defund them, Fire them all save a ton of money. We already have a Dicklesstator.
How many "city workers" are needed to cut a tree,dig a hole,work to fix trucks/cars in the dept? Hell i know a guy that makes 160.000 a year at 103rd in dept of fleet,that includes 3 hour naps..thats were the mayor should look at the budget....
8/01/2020 10:02:00 AM
And that guy should have known all along not to tell you ANYTHING, but he fucked his own self. His bad.
Cut the budget through attrition? Do not the frief of the shire ( Dart ) cut hundreds of guards and his budget doubled.
It's amazing that every where you look some expert from the academic community, the political hacks, bullshit Community organizations, the media are all pushing for defunding the Police. At the end of 7 months we have over 450 murders and nearly 2400 shootings in Shitty City.
All these so called enlightened smart people focus on the Police. Nothing about Kim Foxxx or the Tim Evans Black Robed slugs administering social justice in the Crook County Courts. The focus is always on defunding the Police. Why not defund the State's Attorney's Office or defund the Courts. Most of the killers and gunslingers are repeat offenders, I bonded or just released to murder and kill again.
If you are defunding the Police and you don't want people arrested, then why the bloated do-nothing Foxxx and clouted attorney's and their pompous counterparts, the Black Robes need to be paid full salaries for doing less.
If your really are interested in defunding the police, then defund the rest of the bogus Crook County Justice system too. If you think defunding the police is the right thing to do then defund the criminals running who run the Just-us system.
Her face is so scary...
Her hairline is receding to run away from it!
Larry Longfoot already stated that she wasn't going to actually lay off any coppers, because the ones that would get laid off would be the young "culturally diverse" coppers that are neccessary to bring to change to the department. So, a bunch of you posted above and are probably right, they'll just wait to hit 2000 retirees and eliminate those line numbers (vacancies) on authorized manning roster and that'll be it... just cleared up 2000 yearly salaries of about what.... 100k a year (give or take)?
Caps office personal are useless !!!
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