An Interesting Twist
Vanquished mayoral challenger Paul Vallas turned up at police contract talks this week as a consultant to the Fraternal Order of Police at loggerheads with Mayor Lori Lightfoot.
FOP President John Catanzara said the mere presence of Vallas — a former city budget director, revenue director and Chicago Public Schools CEO — has already produced a “palpable shift” in the tone of previously contentious negotiations.
The negotiating session Thursday focused exclusively on the FOP’s counteroffer of 17% over four years — with all but 3% of it retroactive — for Chicago Police officers who continue to live in the city and half that amount for officers free to move to the suburbs.
There was no talk of the mayor’s 17 pages of demands that included 40 disciplinary reforms, including getting rid of sworn affidavits and paving the way for anonymous complaints against police officers, the FOP president said.
“There was a palpable shift in conversation that dealt specifically with financial issues and our counteroffer. For us. In a good way. They clearly focused on the financial issues that we are seeking to get solved in the negotiations. The other part was left off the table for yesterday,” Catanzara said.
Vallas has been a vocal supporter of cops lately. And we had supported him for Governor years ago against Blago.
Let's see how this plays out. Vallas consistently polls much higher than the Groot and might be setting himself us for another mayoral run.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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WOW, btw F.U.L.L.
Bitch
PLEASE! PLEASE! DO NOT GIVE UP SIGNED AFFIDAVITS AND NO ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS for pennies! Think my fellow officers, think!
John, do not give up on those two- please, not in this fucked up climate of police hating civilians and other officers
Paul Vallas is no friend of unions. He hates unions.
Paul is also in cahoots with the Preckwinkle machine. His job is to peel away white votes. The Groot is going to pull the same sham Mayor Daley did every election; you run two blacks and two hispanics. The Groot will run two whites and two hispanics + you get all of the black alderman and about two thirds of the hispanic alderman on your side.
Awesome! Go Paul!
"There was no talk of the mayor’s 17 pages of demands that included 40 disciplinary reforms, including getting rid of sworn affidavits..."
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
rb
He polls higher than the Groot? Where you seeing these polls? I voted for the man, but he just doesn't draw much enthusiasm.
I don't know what his play is here.
Wife was a cop. Son is a cop. Maybe it's just that.
I don't know
It's kind of early in the morning and the cup of hot joe hasn't kicked in yet but we could be looking at a new contract next year that will be expired before it ever hits the council for a vote. If it is ratified after 6/30/21 it will already be done and over if you follow the usual pattern of contracts lasting 4 years. Rahm let it ride because he knew he was leaving and frogpuss kept it stretched out so she would only have to deal with one contract. She will not worry about the next one because she knows she doesn't have a farts chance in a windstorm of winning in 2022.
Vallas would make a great Mayor. Hope he runs. And good to hear he’s working on this.
He has at least one kid who is the police
Well duh......Vallas came into see fop when he was running for mayor. Fop made no endorsement and let Groot win. They are always ten steps behind the times. If we do not vote as a block we are doomed.
If Vallas was a republican he would still be Gov.
Cool. Thanks for the assist!!!!!!
VALLAS would NOT be a “great” mayor. If you don’t break the machine and take a hold of what’s left of this city, no one will ever get a handle on the deep seeded corruption you have all been conditioned to accept and fail to change. Get your act together. YOU are the change. NOT a suit who parades around pretending to know what’s best for the tried and true. No different from global never ending wars. You have one in your city. Put on some real brass balls and be the change this city deserves. Drop the DIRTY Dems and flip this city to the party of Lincoln!
So JC is so incompetent, he has to hire PV, who I’m sure is getting fat paycheck to “consult”?
Why do we keep backing this loser? He can’t win an election to save his life. We need to find a REAL winner to support CPD
A dog brings a bone and takes a bone.
Trust but verify.
Some people are your friends until they aren't.
Lightfoot is by far the worst Mayor this city has ever had. She leads solely by ignorant emotion. She doesn't respect it's amazing culture other than her own. She allowed this beautiful city to get tore up and looted, while Officers were getting seriously injured because she was too afraid to address what was NOT PEACEFUL PROTESTS. But that's what we signed up for according to her. And from the very beginning showed publicly, disrespect toward her own employees. Amazing that she mentioned months ago that police need to build relationships with the community.....she destroyed in months what was gained over decades! It's difficult to believe that she wasn't sent here just to destroy this city....
Remember in 1996 when Vallas with the approval of King Richie privatized the trade unions, the drivers unions, janitors, and engineers unions from the Board of Ed, I do because i was one of them? Guy is a phony who hates unions. Then every brand new school that opened had 399 engineer guys instead of 143 guys. And all janitors came from 3 places. One of those places was the Rainbow push collation. But they never laid a hand on the beloved communist CTU. fUCK PAUL VALLAS.
Vanquished.
Not defeated or beaten.
This is one class blog.
And a blog with a heart.
SCC broke the case on the money hungry animal abuser
Census Cowboy. He's alright in my book.
John's going to have a problem with Vallas helping out. All the police that live in 022 are going to demand that John Daley help out also.
Madigan was instrumental in defeating Vallas in the Illinois Governor's race. His organization, allegedly flooded the downstate counties with cash which influenced the poorer counties to vote for Blago. I am surprised how quiet Blago has been. I was hoping he would write a hot tell-all book and be an activast
Shackles of slavery? Um, excuse me, but, the last slave was freed 155 years ago. The only people that are impacted by slavery still, are white asshole progressives and butt hurt activist black people, all of which were educated at our now worthless universities and indoctrinated on how the United States, one of the freest and most fair countries on the face of the earth is a racist, intolerant country. Take your asses to China, a black African state or possibly a country in the Middle east and stay there a spell outside of the tourist areas and see how well they treat people. They did a survey of young blacks prior to the Sparklefarts presidency and by golly! Young black folks and people said that racism wasn't really a problem in their lives. After good old Sparkelfarts and his undermining of our society and all of a sudden, we're back in 1965! Except that now, it's OK to denigrate Catholics, Christians, Heterosexual people, white men, the police and anything that has to do with good manners and tolerance. The left screwed up in the 60's and targeted the military, this time it's the cops and they're winning and our polite, tolerant society is dying.
We've allowed the United States to be murdered, time to get on with the next country because the old one won't allow us to live in peace in it.
So let me get this right, no more handcuffs, mace, and begin training officers to shoot for the leg. If we don't hit a leg, then what? I guess I'll have to ask Joe Biden or Hunter Biden, he has probably had a few guns pointed in his direction after a crack bender or with a drug dealer looking for him to pay up.
The heat that Joe Biden is taking right now they better get his son in a rehab (for the 7th time) because he is going to relapse and OD. Feel sorry in that regard.
Careful what you wish for.
Residency for CPD only would financially destroy all other city workers in this shitty city.
Can't just be about one entity.
So the union can’t negotiate on their own. The screening and yelling didn’t work. Bring in someone else because they are too busy kicking people out of the union. Then give up 3 % retro. Residency as a bargaining point.....really the new hires all live outside of the city anyway, they all know “right from wrong”. Our union has no creditability, we look like clowns. Bring in Dean who got us the worst contract ever, but took care of his kid. Now bring in someone else and tell us the tone is changed. Vallas is gonna be the difference, then why did we vote for you and your friends. WHen we get screwed I am sure you will blame someone else
This is what happens when you have people that have zero experience with contract negotiations and are totally incompetent. They need to bring in outside help.
Never thought I'd see the day when Vallas was considered a breath of fresh air in this stinking, shithole city. Oh, how far we have fallen.
Vallas is a fake put up by the machine to take white votes away so Groot can walk right in. That’s the democrat scum machine at work. Just like Joyce, Wilson, Chico and Goo Fioretti. And O’Shea and sposato support blm and Lori. They are phonies.
At least someone that can get some media exposure is looking into this. Then over here looks like it may have some legs about midway airport being sold when you see that in the warehouse Mdw seven Amazon did.
MDW7 — “MDW” refers to the code for Midway; Amazon fulfillment centers are named for the nearest airport — is enormous, nearly a million square feet, and from the parking lot, that size immediately presents reportorial challenges.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/columnists/2020/10/16/21511470/amazon-monee-robots-fulfillment-center-online-shopping-steinberg
Also got another notice in the mail in an official Secretary of State envelope sent by the Secretary of State about voting the third one that we have both received in a note it says that it is his responsibility to send these out for people to vote this the first time ever and I am an old retired cop or that we have ever got anything like this in the mail. The Democrats are on the ropes thank God want every vote anyone ever is democratic as we know has a mental disorder and is out of their mind it is for the destruction of the United States of America. How much is this costing I thought the state of Illinois was broke probably costing in the hundreds of millions of dollars, But that’s what Democrats do waste money family and friends give the money away to each other sickening and pathetic. Oh and fuck you Laurie.
Vallas has been around for a long time, I don’t regard him as a liberal Democrat and far from progressive. I voted for him in the last mayoral Primary.
Vallas will definitely run again, the problem is with the 13 or so other uninspiring goobers that will pop up in 2023 cycle, including More, Fleabagoretti, Willie Wilson, maybe KmmFxxUpp and even Tellifairyo to name a few. Either way Larri has to go if she doesn’t quit next year.
Larri LightLoafer doesn’t like Vallas, she’s knows his reform style is real. She went on a tirade after his op-ed regarding the Bassmouth Loafers Budget, she said Vallas hadn’t see a city budget in decades. Guess Larri thinks she had more experience in finance being ticked away for a year in a back room of the city procurement office when she was ousted from Ipra.
Vallas is going through a rebranding, I expect he’s going to be making waves.
Good move to bring him into the FOP, the shenanigans and giveaways won’t happen like past negotiations.
FU
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“ "There was no talk of the mayor’s 17 pages of demands that included 40 disciplinary reforms, including getting rid of sworn affidavits..."
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
rb
10/18/2020 01:58:00 AM”
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Can they? No. Do they? Yes. They just did it with the sergeants contract. State law prohibits anonymous complaints, but the arbitrator sided with the city in allowing anonymous complaints. The sergeants will of course sue and win because it’s plain black and white, anonymous complaints aren’t allowed. Goes to show how “independent” these arbiters are, they side with the city even when it’s clearly against the law.
>>>>> There was no talk of the mayor’s 17 pages of demands that included 40 disciplinary reforms, including getting rid of sworn affidavits and paving the way for anonymous complaints against police officers... ' <<<<<
Question: If the evil midget troll mayor's Police Bodyguards catch her using drugs, can they arrest her? Thanks, asking for a friend.
Seriously, she has to be high all the time 'cause her proposals are just insane.
Like this gem: “The new FOP contract will contain accountability and reform proposals. ... about the reality of the current world of policing,” the mayor’s office statement said.
Excuse me?? 'Current World of Policing.' What the f--k does that even mean... In English!?!?
That sounds like it came from some BLM Marxist, or Antifa Anarchist, who just finished smokin' a Bong (Or Crack Pipe), after a hard night of rioting and throwing bricks & shit at the police.
Anywho, now for something completely different. Wouldn't these negotiations be the perfect time to bring up and get those Residency Rules Changed / Eliminated? Especially now given the city's dire financial situation. Give up / swap a future Pay Raise, or portion thereof -- but not retro pay already owed to you -- in exchange for the elimination of it. What you give up in money on your pay you'd recoup on savings living in a cheaper suburb, or even a county.
Just my opinion. Your mileage might vary :-) Take Care & Stay Safe.
And thank you all for the job you do day-in and day-out.
Squad, 19-Paul.
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
Yes it is Illinois law but there is a stipulation that, if agreed by both sides, it can be eliminated.
Another has been go and enjoy retirement you old geezer ain’t got much time left accept the fact that you can’t win an election and that your best days are behind you
It's kind of early in the morning and the cup of hot joe hasn't kicked in yet but we could be looking at a new contract next year that will be expired before it ever hits the council for a vote. If it is ratified after 6/30/21 it will already be done and over if you follow the usual pattern of contracts lasting 4 years
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It will be a 6 year contract like PBPA.
he has 2 kids that are police I believe in DC or east coast. Andrea ZOPP has a daughter that is CPD. About time they start sticking up and supporting CPD.... how about they also start holding the MERIT clowns responsible....
PLEASE! PLEASE! DO NOT GIVE UP SIGNED AFFIDAVITS AND NO ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS for pennies! Think my fellow officers, think!
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FOP WILL go to arbitration like PBPA.
The PBPA arbitrator didn't care about the state law. It is now back in the courts.
The same EXACT thing WILL happen with FOP.
12:48, FYI, we are not a union, we are a fraternal organization. I hate unions too!!! I am retired, but still a member of FOP, and I welcome Vallas!!! BTW, in my 30 years I voted NO on every contract presented and I always voted and still do.
Run Paul Run.
Great find JCat. Teaming up with Paul, the Budget Guy, who knows all of Groot's budgetary hiding spots will make her look like a bigger fool than we know her to be. A full court press on the Socialist mayor and Chief City Corruptor. Squeeze the dwarf till her eyes pop and she soils her Depends.
Run Paul Run.
Paul’s running 2023.
If the other spoilers from 11th Ward , 19th Ward stay out , Paul would’ve been elected Mayor & CPD would’ve had a good contract .
CTU would be teaching from classrooms or fired .
Thank you Paul Vallas! Please run for Mayor again!
I’d like to see Blago sit in and watch the career City Hall and Aldermanic heads spin knowing he has dirt on all of them. Plus he’s the most annoying person in the history of mankind and J-Cat would seem like Barry Manilow.
Vallas doesn't hate cops and he is not on cahoots with the machine. But he has no money, no support and no traction. Groot would love to see a bunch of white guys pile into the next race. But her worst fear? A 1-to-1 against Willie Wilson. Willie don't hate cops and will kick her ass in all of the black wards. Willie is also friendly with Vallas. If those two team-up to attack Groot, the witch is toast.
If we could have an election now Vallas would pants Groot
We need all the help we can get !
There was no talk of the mayor’s 17 pages of demands that included 40 disciplinary reforms, including getting rid of sworn affidavits..."
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
rb
10/18/2020 01:58:00 AM
The department cannot circumvent the law. They would need to change the law completely. What can be done, is to negotiate away that right or protection during negotiations. This is what the city wants. There is no way that should EVER happen.
He’s very pro police. His kid is a copper in the burbs.
Anonymous said...
So JC is so incompetent, he has to hire PV, who I’m sure is getting fat paycheck to “consult”?
Why do we keep backing this loser? He can’t win an election to save his life. We need to find a REAL winner to support CPD
10/18/2020 07:20:00 AM
All pro bono
Never trust a Democrat
For the last time, Paul lives in Palos Heights and he is not running for mayor. There is speculation he is gearing up to run against Preckwinkle for CC Board President.
I agree we shouldn’t give up the signed affidavits,
But in reality, has anyone ever been charged with
Filing a false complaint on a Police Officer?
Sorry but Vallas is just like every other politician, a phony.
The heat that Joe Biden is taking right now they better get his son in a rehab (for the 7th time) because he is going to relapse and OD. Feel sorry in that regard.
10/18/2020 08:40:00 AM
Rehab? Thats the least of his worries right now. They better hide him from the deep state, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, and Shang-Hi Diane Feinstein who will want to Arkancide him for forgetting to pick up his laptop, and upsetting their scheme of selling out our country to Chi-na.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Times are tough all over. Even Dave Ramsey is having
trouble. Economy down. Dave has clowns covering his shifts.
It's now a call in psychobabble show. Dave's off on Fridays.
Can't compete with local high school football. Ratings down.
Brother can you spare a dime?
Anonymous said...
Vallas doesn't hate cops and he is not on cahoots with the machine. But he has no money, no support and no traction. Groot would love to see a bunch of white guys pile into the next race. But her worst fear? A 1-to-1 against Willie Wilson. Willie don't hate cops and will kick her ass in all of the black wards. Willie is also friendly with Vallas. If those two team-up to attack Groot, the witch is toast.
10/18/2020 02:41:00 PM
Willie wanted to donate big money to Paul’s campaign for mayor so Vallas could run commercials. I overheard Willie make the offer at the multi-candidate fundraiser at the FOP last year. Vallas obviously had to turn it down.
With 644 kills on the books and nearly 3500 almost kills in 10 months, 800 kills for Dude, Inc is truly an attainable goal for Murder City. Who sez Groot is responsible for the murder, chaos and corruption on her watch. You knew she was out of her league when she kept Hennessy Ed around and sang his praises. Picking the Dummy from Dallas as a replacement for Special Ed was another stroke of genius too. Speaking of a genius making great picks, Dallas selected Carter as his second and that's working out well right? With a team made up of people like this, 800 kills is attainable for Murder City.
NO TWO TIERED PAY RAISE. EVERYONE GOTS THE FULL RAISE..
Add a residency bonus.
Surrender NOTHING on due process rights. Don't trade your career or freedom for a few dollars on a paycheck that can be snatched away on a whim.
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
Yes it is Illinois law but there is a stipulation that, if agreed by both sides, it can be eliminated.
If both parties agree.....
Does it count if it is imposed by a third party (arbitrator)
If Willie Wilson can poll 50,000 votes from East St. Louis, Champaign and Springfield and good old Chicago, Durbin could be in trouble.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vallas doesn't hate cops and he is not on cahoots with the machine. But he has no money, no support and no traction. Groot would love to see a bunch of white guys pile into the next race. But her worst fear? A 1-to-1 against Willie Wilson. Willie don't hate cops and will kick her ass in all of the black wards. Willie is also friendly with Vallas. If those two team-up to attack Groot, the witch is toast.
10/18/2020 02:41:00 PM
Willie couldn't even win when he was handing out money with no questions asked. Look at his twitter page sometime. He blamed everyone but the rioters and wants to give everything away free to the south and west side. And he is in favor of reparations in a major way. He's no friend of the popo.
Paul’s running 2023.
If the other spoilers from 11th Ward , 19th Ward stay out , Paul would’ve been elected Mayor & CPD would’ve had a good contract .
CTU would be teaching from classrooms or fired .
10/18/2020 01:15:00 PM
I voted for Vallas, but if I had to do it over again I'd go for Joyce. Paul Vallas had a terrible showing of only 5% of the vote. Bill Daley didn't miss the runoff by much, but after he started talking about cutting pensions, I didn't need to hear anything else. Never forgot thet NAFTA was the brainchild of Bill Daley. Like Trump says, he should be ashamed of himself. Bill Daley cost a lot of Americans their jobs with NAFTA.
Even better. I’d vote for him in Cook County. Hope he runs for something.
Vallas is just another political hack looking for a payday as a paid consultant. That does not mean it is a bad idea to hire him for his political experience in a highly political negotiation, but never think he's really on your side. He is there because he is being paid to be there. He would be just as happy to be on the other side of the table making the same money.
Being Cook County Board President is easier than being Mayor of Chicago, which Paul Vallas wouldn't want anyway.
Vallas should of been elected Mayor. I voted for him. He is the least likely to want to shit on cops on a daily basis.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn't the affidavit Illinois law? I mean, I realize this is Chicago we're talking about, but can any municipality just pick & choose what state laws they want to obey? Is home rule an option for the city to evade this law?
Yes it is Illinois law but there is a stipulation that, if agreed by both sides, it can be eliminated.
If both parties agree.....
Does it count if it is imposed by a third party (arbitrator)
Can’t be changed by arbitrator or third party arbitrator. It’s state law and ruling came out Friday. It’s a new post on SCC today
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