More Hidden Bodies
In addition to the CST and CIRT teams (and summer, autumn, winter mobile details) shorting District law enforcement actual bodies, we're told another hidey-hole is overstaffed:
- If you think that’s bad, someone should ask why there are over 240 officers and 41 sergeants assigned to the training division, yes you read that correctly, when there is hardly anyone at the academy and training is limited due to Covid. 240 officers and 41 sergeants!!! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!? When districts are running bare bones with multiple downed beat cars and 1 sergeant working the street in the entire district!!!
One sergeant? See Friday's CWB post and there are districts operating with ZERO Sergeants on the street. That's ridiculous.
According to the Consent Decree, supervision is supposed to be 1-to-10.
Those numbers are close to 1-to-6.
And if you only have one class of 26 recruits, there ought to be a staff reduction in the offing as the other classes move out. Additionally, the remote classes we've attended were either taught by civilians in close quarters or remotely by computer.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
75 Comments:
C'mon, that's nothing. What about CAPS? 1 Sgt n at least 7 POs plus a civilian organizer and what do they do? Nothing. No meetings, no outreach, no nothing. So a sgt who makes at least $110k, 7 pos making at least 90k each, and a civilian organizer 60k...800k and what have they done for almost a year? Nada. And then when we were all forced to work overtime, where were they...sitting in an office (if they even stayed more than an hr) making time and a half....seriously?
1 sgt for every classroom and 1 sgt for almost every subject taught and every training program. It’s ridiculous. The academy could easily survive with 12-14 sgts total. The amount of non teaching admin people at the academy is disgusting also.
the academy has always been a hiding place. 10 percent of the police do 90 percent of the teaching. Same with the Sgts. I was there years ago and saw this first hand. there were officers who never taught a class.
Yes that is correct. I’m surprised they’re not tripping over each other. Or unless they all made phone calls to get off the street. Hey Lightfoot, you reading this? It’s time to lighten the load at the academy, send them back the street. You think they’re afraid of the street?
Any of them happen to be from 019?
How many "officers" are being used as secretaries? There is some dude with like 6 years on that was a VRI secretary then shuffled to some other inside spot. Good dude but why do we have full duty "officers" pushing paper?
Shhhhhhh....... don’t tell no one but some academy staff don’t do anything lately.
Please disband the community safety team unit. I’m fed up with all these assholes with 2-5 years on the job constantly recording roll calls, traffic stops, and arrests! I spent a good amount of my career in the gang enforcement unit and now I have to deal with these assholes constantly on their cellphones broadcasting all that happens. Can we please end this nightmare!
How about those not so hidden bodies that lounge in all of the District CAPS Offices?Thats a lot of dead weight there.
There are multiple training classes going on. Use of force1,2,3, PJ1,2,3, officer wellness at south shore, Custodial escort at olive Harvey. Numerous training classes.
Thats only 9 officers per recruit and 2 sgt's per recruit
I swear there were only 3 sergeants in the academy in 1997
I had over 40 coppers on my log the other night....never saw 1/2 of them!
Thanks for the info.
Just more inspiration not to bust my ass working here in patrol.
Let them stay at the Academy!
Remember when they hit the Districts at the beginning of this Corona Virus? The ones that DID finally show up were fucking useless, most cried about having to work 3rd watch and hit the medical.
There were very few that actually did any work, mostly the rang or gym staff... The rest were pathetic, scared and useless.
In the 25 years that I was a sergeant in districts and units it seems we operated short half the time. We operated short with one sergeant on the street. This has been going on for years.
Connected hiding spots
Stop sending 4 coppers a day and a Sgt from the district and send the academy people downtown! There is nobody to train so reallocate your resources! Is that so hard to figure out?
On top of that SCC, you forgot that these officers teaching us are ONLY teaching us review courses, which means we could have easily just watched e-learning videos. Then, you have 3,4 and 5 yr wonders teaching a class, what a fucking joke! These are the same officers who don't want to work a beat car instead sit around and teach or (preach) something we already know. Haver to get those 32hrs of Covid in I mean courses in.
They have over 50 sgts hidden in the infernal affairs division.
Thats one sergeant for every five POs. Using that ratio we need 8 lieutenants, 6 captains and 3 commanders to properly run the academy.
I have a crazy idea, just hear me out. Officers and sergeants should be in districts enforcing the state laws and municipal codes. Stop all the public relations nonsense. Stop the BBQs and food delivery services and the community mentoring crap. Police officers should be in the community maintaining law and order. What’s the deal with half the department doing PR missions?
Most of these coppers are doing shit that doesn’t require actual police credentials. Maybe if our officers were patrolling they’d just happen to meet good citizens in the course of their duties thereby building community trust. Plain old fashioned policing needs a comeback.
And a significant number of those POs have 2-3 years on the job.
The only thing this department does that is required by the consent decree is this bull shit training. The training is garbage and it has ZERO bearing on police work. I was at the academy last week and one of the instructors referred to the consent decree as the descent degree. I’m not making that up. A god damn instructor doesn’t even know how to pronounce consent decree. Too funny , but absolutely embarrassing.
Oh oh. Now you've done it. You've outed a lot of Gurly men. Time to find the duty belt kids.
Not only that 019 has a “social media officer”! That’s right someone to post on Facebook. Any schmuck with a phone can post to social media. Another made up spot for a softball too scared to work the streets.
Reason for all the units and huge training staff is hiding clueless do nothing CPD bodies. Caps is the other merit hiding place. Totally useless programs that do nothing to make city safer. Groom might be right no need for 13,000 CPD bodies. Bet these units never see a cut in head counts no matter what. Then we get to the HQ and District paper shuffles posing as Real Police. The real number if Real on the Street should be 6,000 working street cops. All the rest are just feather bedding totally unnecessary jobs.
I’ve always wondered why it takes 6 instructors to teach a class like use of force when the class just reads general orders. Same thing for custodial escort.
Why do you need any sergeants in the academy? It’s not like instructors are getting into uof incidents. Let the pos report directly to higher ups.
And what will the end result be ? Nothing . Why waste your breath. We have a dictator as mayor so nothing will happen
Those numbers are also lower than advertised because the FOP allowed these guys to hold a spot on the watch and in the bs units they are in....so they are being counted double....
Some perspective here, most of these numbers are for in-service training and outlying sections, Operations staff which is responsible for recruit training has around 25 officers and 2/3 Sgts. The recruit range officers have dwindled down to around 15. The current 32-hours and 2021 40-hour in-service training that the consent decree mandates requires bodies to do get that amount of training done, especially after Covid and they restart scenario-based training. There are certain sections that are bloated, situational awareness, or whatever they're calling it this week is loaded with 9171's. The entire South Shore building which is Use of Force, Custodial Escort, LEMART, TTU belong to 124. Don't forget the Area ranges, carbine, and driving school is 124 as well. I would look at the seniority list and wonder what an officer with 2-3 years on the job has to offer in-service training. They open the NOJO's and surprisingly they get very few applications. The problem that 124 has always had is not launching dead weight, plenty of it, instead of moving the officer from section to section, they need to be back in Patrol.
And not one of them works a full day. It is a joke the amount of full duty officers that work inside and never on the street. Has anyone ever seen the Commanders office understaffed, or Police headquarters understaffed, or the Training Academy understaffed?
Love that the instructors for in service training all safely have partners while I’m rolling 99 on midnights
Another problem is the time on the job those P.O's have who are working in the Academy and how much actual street time they have. There are people taking this job and demanding inside spots. You should have a minimum of 15 years on the street to work inside.
Something is wrong here... see to it folks
Gee, maybe the academy staff think they really are teachers.....
Anyone check to see if they have joined the CTU?
You know, those OTHER people who haven’t done a lick
of work (though at full pay and benefits) for 9 months now?
11/29/2020 03:10:00 AM
Yes! Since that makes perfect sense, it will never be done..lol
They won't s top this bs, until one of us is seriously hurt or God Forbid killed. Then even then it might not stop. Maybe a federal lawsuit on the forced 12 hours a day 10 days in a row.
On the other spectrum there is Mass Transit where routinelly there is 1 Sergeant covering over 40 officers on days and 2 Sergeants covering over 80 officers on afternoons. All because the miniature Commander will not allow any overtime. He is the epitomy of nepotism and completely incompetent. He is in way over his head. The whole unit cant wait until he goes back to narcotics.
How many instructors are really needed for 26 recruits, 5 days a week for the next 26 or so weeks, and then there’s still the Chinese Plague being pushed everywhere else but the Academy.
I expect the Academy to got the way of District eLernin’ like the new Virtual & ReImagined CTU-CPS. Jujitsu manhandling, climbing over walls, doing jumping jacks and 1.5 miles around a building are a thing of the past, c’mon man. Put a mobile trailer home classroom in every district parking lot, stock them with 50 PPO’s for a few hours of class, another few in field 24/7. It’s not that far fetched, Larri is that wicked. I think the CookCo Morgue has some used doublewides leftover to boot. Forget about that new west side Academy that being built, that could be a warning center, community based vote ballot farm or even a Covid-21,22,23 violation internment campus.
Oh and on top of it, the all management Unit 124 isn’t even Biddable so it seems detailing and reassignment would be easily accomplished using the Duty Availability clause to fill District shortages. It’s a shitty way to break up Units across the duty spectrum but Seniority and Light Duty membership rewards program needs reassessment a bit more often.
Look at HQ Bur.of Patrol Admin for one, holding 500 sworn/civ bodies, clerks and stenographers of every rank. There’s enough HQ cubicle entrenchment to restart a whole new 013, 021 and 023 districts.
Things are going to get a lot worse all over this city, especially for CPD for the next two years.
BUCKLE UP - We’re Going to the Moon™️
Thats one sergeant for every five POs. Using that ratio we need 8 lieutenants, 6 captains and 3 commanders to properly run the academy.
11/29/2020 03:50:00 AM
Shit rookie, gimmie a chief & dep chief to complete that unit
"Remember when they hit the Districts at the beginning of this Corona Virus? The ones that DID finally show up were fucking useless, most cried about having to work 3rd watch and hit the medical. "
They were sent to teach you.
Learn from their example.
Clout trumps manpower shortages...DUH
That is a 380 man elite response team. All that knowledge, non stop training, honor, dedication, and transparency deployed to the streets on the weekends!! This hidden treasure could save Chicago!! PR win too. Imagine the headlines: “Cop Trainers Cancel Days Off to Show Cop Vets How it’s Done”
Anonymous said...
I had over 40 coppers on my log the other night....never saw 1/2 of them!
11/29/2020 01:30:00 AM
Why would you even be doing a log?
Big brother knows EVERY move you make
Anonymous said...
There are multiple training classes going on. Use of force1,2,3, PJ1,2,3, officer wellness at south shore, Custodial escort at olive Harvey. Numerous training classes.
I’ve taken 3 parts of Situational Awareness this year, which is a total of 12 hours. After every hour we get a break, and after every break and hour their are 2 new instructors who teach the class. Same shit with the use of force. 6-8 different instructors who switch teaching the class after an hour or two segment. So ya might be tons of classes being taught but in reality you need one Sgt per “watch” and maybe 4 officers per class session being taught.
Why aren’t the caps Sgt. & officers assigned to beat cars on third watch from 2000 to 0500hrs .
250 !bs,dam.he probably has some big old jail muscles.he should go into the catalytic converter business.he could pick up one side of the car and have a shorty get under and grab it.
Let them stay at the Academy!
Remember when they hit the Districts at the beginning of this Corona Virus? The ones that DID finally show up were fucking useless, most cried about having to work 3rd watch and hit the medical.
There were very few that actually did any work, mostly the rang or gym staff... The rest were pathetic, scared and useless.
11/29/2020 01:54:00 AM
Not in 15. The academy sgt on 3rd w actually showed up and helped us out. She did her best herding the cats we call rapid cars. I heard the range guy who was assigned to 1st watch hit the medical and never even showed up.
I can agree that back in 2000, I only remember a few Sgts in the Academy. There was never hundreds of P.O.’s. You could recognize everyone assigned there and knew them by name.
When I had use of force a little while ago, there for at least 10 different instructors teaching the class, after each break a new set of instructors are in the room ready to read off the slide, why does there need to be Tag team match to teach one subject?
I think that the CPD is trying to get as many people into these units and then be able to deploy them as they see fit. It's a back way end run around the contract. Once they request to go to a special unit they lose all contract protections on being in a unit and on a watch. Your work location, and starting time is up to the city completely.
I will continue to push a beat car and take my jobs one at a time, Sargent or no Sargent. At least I will be closer to home. If they want to change my start time or cancel a day off let them pay me. I'll take my furlo by senority please...
Don't be a string puppet for the department...
How many "officers" are being used as secretaries? There is some dude with like 6 years on that was a VRI secretary then shuffled to some other inside spot. Good dude but why do we have full duty "officers" pushing paper?
11/29/2020 12:28:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Because he hurt his pinky. But still manages to work out and ride motorcycles.
Well the sgt at the academy and ridiculous hair dew, can NOT work the street! His tapered spandex uniform would split he he had to get in and out of a squad car
The best part is that half the instructors, were there 15 years ago when I was in the academy. Would love to know how you can teach people how to work the street, when you have not worked the street in almost 2 decades?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please disband the community safety team unit. I’m fed up with all these assholes with 2-5 years on the job constantly recording roll calls, traffic stops, and arrests! I spent a good amount of my career in the gang enforcement unit and now I have to deal with these assholes constantly on their cellphones broadcasting all that happens. Can we please end this nightmare!
11/29/2020 12:34:00 AM
While cameras are a double edged sword...... You might actually want them recording. If you get into a situation where the only cam is on YOUR chest, and it isn't the greatest view for exonerating YOU. Hope and pray that someone else gets a better angle. There have been more than a few instances where scumbag Leftists have unwillingly helped out the police. LET THEM. ;D
800 or so working CST.. should be cut by 75%. 100 or so working CIRT .. should be increased by 25%. 240 or so working the academy .. should be cut by 50%.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
800 or so working CST.. should be cut by 75%. 100 or so working CIRT .. should be increased by 25%. 240 or so working the academy .. should be cut by 50%.
240 at the academy sounds about right. Didn’t you hear 46 recruits are starting
Look at 002 CAPS...the Sgt. YW is such a know it all merit baby she should be using her vast knowledge on the streets along with her husband who is also a house mouse at HQ..both friends with EJ..Two Sgts who think they are privileged. Guess I have to stand up in EJ’s wedding party to get a merit spot...but it’s all on the up and up...
And the City of Chicago wants to build a new Police-Fire Academy building? Chicago is in the red financially. This 64 million dollar waste of money will NEVER be full of recruits. Nothing wrong with the current police and fire academy. Waste of money building a new academy. UNBELIEVABLE
014 District. Why the fuck do we have 5 officers in the front office, 5-6 officers in the CAPS office, while downing 3-4 beat cars daily on 2nd wt and downing more on 1st wt and 3rd wt. UNBELIEVABLE
What does FOP say about all this??????
All those people in the Academy, why can't they run midnight training?
I was at custodial escort last week witch included five segments taught by five different po’s and a sgt who sat his fatass outside the room playing on his phone for 7 hours. So each po has a hard day of teaching one hours worth of instruction. Every class I have taken in the last 15 years have been this way. What a waste. Quite a kick in the bells to everyone who is on the street. Could easily have been taught by one officer.
CT scan on biden for a hair line fracture in his ankle. Hmm, sounds like it might be something else. Probably getting the paper trail going in order for Biden to leave or die in the middle of the night. Too much baggage with that Biden grifter clan. Hunter will probably been Arkancided or will get a bad batch of Hillary approved heroin.
If you want to keep the peace with your liberal relatives during the holidays go with this approach. Don't mention Trump, if you do, liberals will have delusional Pavlovian reaction and the conversation is over. For example, when you get to the point where "we all can agree about the death of George Floyd" trap, place the blame on something grander like China.
George Floyd. Floyd never had a chance because the good paying factory jobs that he could have made a good living are now in China. Floyd was addicted to fentanyl which is supplied by China and distributed by the Mexican cartel. Floyd was arrested because he was passing on high quality counterfeit 20 dollar bills which have been linked to the CCP (China).
You can easily switch China to the Democratic party and it works also.
Remember how the media treats China and you will have all your answers to every question that is taking place this year and in this election. This is part of the end game for China. Trump was the only obstacle in the way so China got heavily involved with the Coronavirus, distribution of PPP, Dominion voting, distribution of millions to hundreds of candidates, and now they are on the verge of seizing global domination.
Things the media are forbidden to talk about: any criticism of China, George Soros, or Bill Gates.
Academy is a cush job. No one shooting at you. No Chicago denizens to deal with. Regular hours. Time off is known and taken.
All those people in the Academy, why can't they run midnight training?
11/29/2020 06:24:00 PM
You’ve done it now! Don’t even bring that subject up. You are banished from this blog mister!
Most of these coppers are doing shit that doesn’t require actual police credentials. Maybe if our officers were patrolling they’d just happen to meet good citizens in the course of their duties thereby building community trust. Plain old fashioned policing needs a comeback.
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You really are talking crazy. The old CPD is dead. You think anyone applying for this job now wants to “patrol”, work a beat car or get into a violent confrontation with our local thugs? The CPD has turned into a liberal community college with badges and guns. Act accordingly friend.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not only that 019 has a “social media officer”! That’s right someone to post on Facebook. Any schmuck with a phone can post to social media. Another made up spot for a softball too scared to work the streets.
11/29/2020 06:14:00 AM
**So glad that job was "Posted" !!!
Notice in 019 too that how many people have come and gone through CAPS?? Did you see any job postings for CAPS positions but yet there have been officers from other districts put in there...really nice Commander.
OT of 019...Cpt Overtime rejects alot of midnites crew their 1hr of overtime when the "clocks" were pushed back, seems like no one was swiping out!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How many "officers" are being used as secretaries? There is some dude with like 6 years on that was a VRI secretary then shuffled to some other inside spot. Good dude but why do we have full duty "officers" pushing paper?
11/29/2020 12:28:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Because he hurt his pinky. But still manages to work out and ride motorcycles.
11/29/2020 02:33:00 PM
Is that his real pinky or a code for something else ?
014 District. Why the fuck do we have 5 officers in the front office, 5-6 officers in the CAPS office, while downing 3-4 beat cars daily on 2nd wt and downing more on 1st wt and 3rd wt. UNBELIEVABLE
024's front office also hides wayy to many people. Two "time keepers" and two "secretaries". CAPS has 6 p.o's assigned possibly 7. CAPS people have worked their days off working CAPS. 024 Tac has the DIO and the secretary working straight days. When a house mouse says they work hard it makes me angered but shocked. 90 percent of the district inside spots should be civilian.
Anonymous said...
I have a crazy idea, just hear me out. Officers and sergeants should be in districts enforcing the state laws and municipal codes. Stop all the public relations nonsense. Stop the BBQs and food delivery services and the community mentoring crap. Police officers should be in the community maintaining law and order. What’s the deal with half the department doing PR missions?
Most of these coppers are doing shit that doesn’t require actual police credentials. Maybe if our officers were patrolling they’d just happen to meet good citizens in the course of their duties thereby building community trust. Plain old fashioned policing needs a comeback.
11/29/2020 04:35:00 AM
Absolutely all of this. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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