New / Old 008?
Politics throwing a wrench in this plan....and maybe for the best:
Three members of Congress — including U.S. Rep. Jesus “Chuy” Garcia — are pushing back against Mayor Brandon Johnson’s reliance on federal air traffic safety rules to justify his decision to use a former National Guard armory as an equipment storehouse instead of a new Southwest Side police district.
The shuttered armory area alderpersons have wanted to turn into a new police station is next to Midway Airport. In a letter to Johnson Friday, Garcia, a former mayoral challenger, and fellow Illinois Democrats Sean Casten and Brad Schneider added federal muscle to the campaign for a new station, which would speed response times in a Chicago Lawn police district serving the second-largest geographic area with the fewest officers per capita.
While they share Johnson’s “focus on aviation safety,” Casten, Garcia and Schneider said they “believe there is a path forward” to allow the former Illinois National Guard Armory at 5400 W. 63rd St., which the state is donating to city for $1, to be used to create that new police district in Chicago Lawn.
We've gotten a few e-mails about this building and suffice it to say, with the money needed to rehab it and bring it up to code, it might make more sense to start from scratch.
This was a military armory, under federal control. It's almost ninety years old, when certain environmental standards weren't even in existence, and once passed into law years later, a lot of military outposts were exempted from the new rules (i.e. think asbestos first, then think about diesel fuel). The potential for health related lawsuits ought to kill this thing immediately. Not to mention it's too close to a runway and too high for being inside the airport fence. They'd have to take off part of the building to bring it into compliance, and then there's always the chance off a runway overshoot that could wreck the entire structure.
Obviously, some politician has a connected relative in the building trades and wants to steer some business their way.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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I've given up on this city doing something that makes sense ! My count down to retirement has begun.,....only 18 years to go.....🫣
The conversion costs would be enormous and take a few years to complete and it still could not compete with a modern police facility design.
I will buy it for the new SpankDaddy Academy.
However it would be perfect for CPD and CFD Air assets. That is what it was designed, built and used for.
To save money, the city could downsize CPD to just five districts. Use those 5 areas as the new layout. Have all case reporting to be done online by homeowners too.
Yes, dumb idea. Pick a new location for the station.
If Chewy Garcia is speaking up, you can guarantee he's got some skin in this. Fuck him. And Brandon too.
Let’s face it, Brandon Johnson won’t do anything to help police. Something has to be done. 008 is huge with trains cutting the district. Or expand the surrounding dist. Have 007 go up to Rockwell or California. At least Quinn is trying to do something. Previous aldermen like zalewski did absolutely nothing
Oh look! The clowns pretend to cares.
He will re-write state law to suit what CPS wants, or else your racist.
That sounds about right. A 90 year old building donated to the city for a dollar Only the best for us.
Call Branden berg wrecking company and level the bitch
Yup. Remapping the district to reflect staffing ratio is way over due.
both 007 and 009 can expand a little.
How about rehab that hanger and place the CPD helicopter unit there, and pick a new location for another 8th district facility. You mean to tell me that there aren't any other massive abandoned buildings within the 8th district to turn it into a new police station? matter of fact the 8th district should be divided into 2 district, create a new district, that'll fix the response times. Oh I forgot that makes perfect sense, and Chicago politicians hate ideas that make sense. And don't forget one termer living high on the hog Brandon is all about demoralize, defund, and dismantle the police. unless it's about protecting his A$$ and his families, then it's all in for the police.
Someone please post the detective list, already.
I'd say screw it, take it! Otherwise there will be NO new district! Glaciers move quicker than this city or state....
I will pray for you, I have been retired for 24 years in sunny Florida!
Fuck the cone headed clown ! Cut the alderthives in half to 25 thieves is more then is enough, and will free up millions of dollars that can go into the police pension fund !
One of two of the tire slashers got their charges dropped
They probably don't want the building, or at least hopefully they don't, they want the land to build a new facility. The current one has field access, any building with airport field access has to have all staff FAA certified and credentialed. Not gonna happen, so they will have to build new. No money for a new facility. In either case, new or old building, they have to build it, or completely refurb it, plumbing, electric (to support the electric grid of camera docks, battery chargers, SDSC rooms etc., and then add in all of the networking for the camera docks and all of the workstation computers. Now add in, all new computers, security camera systems, and a lockup to meet the Illinois Bureau of prisons standards, along with cubicles, desks and furnishings all at additional expense. WAIT! We haven't got to equipment yet. Radios, maybe 200 with batteries and spares, Tasers-100 give or take, rifles, ammunition, mass arrest kits, SDSC monitor systems etc.,etc. etc. Now, move on to vehicles. How many new cars and two wagons? There are no replacements available for the fleet the Department has. And last but not least, new personnel. Where will they come from. Units disbanded? Other district management transfers, desk dollies reassigned, HQ bosses giving up their secretaries and bloated units? All the hidden assets detailed in; then out again for the numbers shell game? Or, new hires, maybe they'll do a bunch of hiring and shift the staffing. Nope, but I won't go deeper into the recruitment process here. So, with all that said, it's much deeper than getting a building for a new police station. Much deeper. And let's not forget what most of the community out that way wants, not just a few people who think it's a good idea, most of whom wouldn't be affected by it anyway, they're just tagalongs on someone's pet project. Who would want a police station dumped into the neighborhood? Police service won't increase, especially the way the Department is staffed. The station is only a building that draws in chaos, people with issues constantly coming into their neighborhood, and then there are the offenders getting released right back out the doors---into the neighborhood. Who would want that? Leave the 8th District where it is, just staff it properly and manage it correctly. Keep the cops assigned out that way on their beats, and make them stay out instead of going in early every day just in case they catch a train. Their mentality must be there's no sense being late for leaving early. And the fallacy of being cut off by the railroad tracks; how infrequent is that? Once or twice a year? There is a reason the department has early and late car assignments, the late cars stay out on the beat until the early cars get out on the street. Make that happen.
Move some illegals in and call it a day...
State police shared the hanger with the national guard for the Air -1 unit back until 2000 when they scrubbed it.
They have been talking about splitting 008 for over 40 yrs.
Good Idea. About as good as making it a police district!!!
Active military sites are messy enough. Guard???? Hell those things has little or no funding. Cripes I'd sooner move to Chernobyl that set up shop in a Superfund site like that. Pretty exteriors mask things like cloth wiring, all manner of TCE's from the motor pools, asbestos in the pipes, walls and flooring. Ever been to a place where whisk brooms are outlawed because of asbestos-embedded floor tiles? Visit Guard sites pre-date the 80s. I smell a back door deal to get a toxic white elephant off the books with a grand display of munificence. After which it will sit many more years until the structure falls down of its own accord or sufficient redevelopment funds are available to demolish the place and make a parking lot with the space. Oak Island level money pit.
Plenty of abandoned property up and down Narragansett and Nagel. Along with Registered sex offenders
Give it to the people, who did the "First Lady" office .....should be done in 2030 .......$$$$$$$$
Easily 3 million to make it into an inhabitable station. I wouldn’t set foot in that building as is. The military even declared in inhabitible.. I’ve been in the military.. for the military to deem it that way means it’s beyond that.. And knowing how the city cuts corners, that place will be a massive cancer caused. Keep away.
Makes more sense than running them out of Calumet Beach while having to top them off at Midway.
Remapping would be the best way to go. Only issue is personnel or lack there of. The alderpersons should know that the police are all centrally dispatched and the dispatch is not predicated on the officers responding from the police station like firefighters waiting for the next call. A new station would not change response times. It could even increase response times them as you have to take personnel from beat cars just to work inside to staff the new facility.
Why don’t you just look it up on the wire
A new district means a whole load of pointless paperwork spots for desk dollies.
Narragansett and Nagle on the southside are mostly residential. There is that big old bank building on the corner of Narragansett and Archer that has been vacant for decades. I do believe the owner wants a lot of $$$ for it which is why he doesn't mind paying the taxes all these years.
Making a 40 sector out west would make more sense and not get into that top heavy command and supervisor staff a new district would create. Then, out west it would be 10 and 40 sectors, so that's 9 cars. You could also assign 2 tac cars out west. This is all contingent on them finding enough P/O's on thos Dept to do that. I don't know where they would find people to staff a new Dist. They sure ain't pulling people from the ghetto districts to staff "Vanillaville."
OT. Has First Lady Stacie Johnson ever stated she has a black husband and three black kids. Asking for a friend.
another prime location for Spirit Halloween
Turn the little used libraries into mini police stations all have a big multiple purpose room that can be used and have parking. There are 80 libraries in the city each community areas has one. All prisoners can be transported and processed in the current stations like they are now. That would be the ultimate in community policing stabilizing all of the 77 community areas.
don't need a new facility, put another 100 police officers in 8 and 22. Give them take home cars , if they live in 8 or 22 . Let them start when they log on and end tour when they arrive home and log back off.
That’s a great idea to use library for roll call, check off, plenty of parking. Just have an Ibond book available . Extra security for library.send that idea to Superintendent Snelling .
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