Drop a Slip, Get Paid
From the comment section, a "stupidvisor" who doesn't understand this is still the United States, even if it's in the Socialist Communist Paradise of Illinois:
- OT. I was walking in to work before my tour. In the parking lot I was wearing my ICE hat. A supervisor stopped me and told me to take it off and that I could not wear it on department property. I was told next time it will be a number. So now the department is telling me what I can wear while off duty to work.
There was a lawsuit filed in a largish police department a few years ago where the members sued over the fifteen or thirty minutes they were required to arrive at work, get dressed, gather equipment and then report to roll call prior to their shift.
Long story short, they won. So unless the City is willing to pay starting at the arrival time on the property, the "supervisor" should either be laughed at, ignored or told off in no uncertain terms that the clock doesn't start until XXXX hours and anything worn off duty shouldn't concern him/her/it.
This is exactly why the City, Department and the strokes over at COPA dropped any disciplinary actions and investigations against Officers who happened to be members of groups that the current socialists find distasteful.
Once you're off the clock, you regain a lot of your Constitutional Rights. You gain even more in retirement. And yes, we're aware of the Rules and Regulations, which were written how many decades ago? And survived how many direct challenges in court?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
103 Comments:
I’m going to say the supervisor was probably of the “merit” variety.
Just make sure it was actually “before” your tour of duty.. most walk in 10 after and into roll call at 15 after.. 1 second after your tour technically starts weather in the station or not you belong to them… I found that out the hard way.. start time 1500, roll call about 1520-1525 every day and I did some stupid crap in the parking lot thinking I was on my time at about 1305.. I was wrong.. took those 3 days……..
Make sure to get the stupidvisor to order you to take it off and then put it in writing, strip me of my "rights" I'll drag you through court with the department, I'm petty like that.
Your off duty conduct brings discredit upon the dept you can be discipled
But...But...It offends our ..."betters"....
If this actually happened, the copper needs to have another stupidvisor pull a number on this asshole.
Depending on how articulate this officer is, Rules 8 and 9 can surely apply. Either way, have another stupidvisor get the number and let it play out. Let them know you’re not a pushover to fuck with. Once they understand this, all but the dumbest will quickly back off and not try a repeat performance. Remember… Most stupidvisors wouldn’t hesitate to hammer one of us if the roles were reversed.
These motherfuckers need to be checked. And if they’re dumb enough to even entertain retaliation, be sure to make examples punitively out of every last one of them who participated.
We got enough to worry about to have these poseurs in white shirts going out of their way to add to the daily stressors. Hammer that motherfucker.
Let Sgt Chris svagina do his worst, he's a walking 5079 if there was one, document it next time worm
Larr Larr here....
When I was teaching....at the academy,...I would see a merit boss, I'd immediately start doing push-ups....
Hey...Look at me today.
I could see this idiotic department and certain bosses thinking it's a violation of their catch-all rule 2. They might even try to stretch it to some form of political statement. J-kitty got dinged for his little stunt with the flag, which was a little over the top, but not taking a political stance. Police officers are supposed to support the flag, the anthem, the President, and the 2nd amendment. That's not political, unlike the blatantly political and despicable act of kneeling in support of the bullshit BLM movement. Showing support for ICE is simply showing support for the laws of our country and those who enforce them, which should be expected and demanded of police officers. But this is Chicago, so it will be called racist, extremist, anti-immigrant, political, intimidation, etc., and someone will probably even release a cute little special order or secret memo prohibiting wearing anything or making any statements in support of ICE. You could probably wear a "free Palestine" bracelet on duty and have zero worries though.
Maybe the commander of 12 should learn about what constitutes off duty and stop calling us coppers on off duty hours to fix reports after I am already home. We get it boss next rank. Anyone thinking about coming to 12 skip you be better off in 15. And most of the Sgt’s suck anyway. And we aren’t your kids so stop that shit crazy.
Another Socialist Kool AId Stupidvisor!
Fuck off jagoff show me in writing, what I can wear off duty!
Hopefully it works out for some of the guys/gals (prisoners) at 376 stripped for what amounts to Freedom of Speech. What a joke of a department. And Cuck F0PA.
The lawsuits stemmed from the 2005 Supreme Court case Alvarez v. IBP where the court ruled the meatpackers were entitled to pay for the time employees spent putting on their gear and taking it off.
Santa Rosa PD officer sued in 2007 and LAPD officers sued in 2009 for the time it took to get ready for work and taking off their equipment. Judges ruled in the officers favor on both cases. Dress time and getting undressed is part of being on the clock.
More recently in 2016 the Supreme Court case Tyson Foods v. Bouaphakeo ruled in favor of the employees for the time spend donning and doffing.
I would of told the STUPERVISOR go ahead and get the number and left hat on....I'd love to fight that one. My last 12 years on the job I was a Sgt/LT.....would of never done anything like that.
When you leave work, your cell phone is also free to use as you desire. I recommend all blue shirts keep calling the anonymous ICE number and help out your law enforcement bros. and sisters. You know better than ICE where the vermin hides.
Without the white shirt many would just be cowards. Same goes for many PO’s. Without the uniform they’re just punks. Never abuse your authority just because you can.
The Stupidvisor probably just had his name moved to the top of the list for Merit Lt. BLM Brandon and Fatass will get hard after reading a story like this.
Out the handjob supervisor. What a jagoff.
That sounds like a civil lawsuit in violation of your constitutional rights with punitive damage.
You Sir are but a serf in this wasteland.The Department has reduced you to such and as quickly as you reside yourself to the fact that the city owns you, the easier life will be.
It's an official United States government law enforcement agency, not a hate group. Get the number coward and that person is gonna be rich.
People who are Leftists just cannot contain their communist impulses.
Is the SGT. that strict on hair standards?
What? Are kidding me? This was settled, gosh so long ago I can’t remember when. I retired in 92 from a Calif SO. We had always been required to be in the briefing room, in uniform, fifteen minutes before the beginning of our shift. After I retired, someone sued, and federal courts ruled if you were required to do something you got paid, this includes putting on a uniform and attending a pre shift briefing. Retroactive back pay was ordered for everyone except for those of us who had already retired. Pisses me off to this day. Then the canine handlers, God love them, jumped on the bandwagon, and got an hour or so overtime for feeding and cleaning up poop. The retroactive pay for them went back years. Maybe your union has dropped the ball and should get on this.
That supervisor voted for Kamala.
I really don't think any chicago police officer should wear an ice hat. Your not ice. Wear a MAGA hat. Now I've seen officers wear different types of hats or shirts over the years. If the department doesn't reprimand officers wearing black lives matter shirts to work. Then everything else shouldn't be messed with. You can't pick whats acceptable. Just be fair.
Wearing an ICE hat brings discredit ? But if it was an FBI hat, it would be alright then, right?
100% correct, as usual
We don't have a union, we have fop which is a pretend union, a paper tiger with stooges who are only in it for themselves
Let's hear who the Sgt was. I bet he didnt look like him. If he was wearing a FBI hat or a BLM hat that would have been ok then, fucking bullshit, fuck that guy, total jagoff
You’re a complete moron
Sounds like you have another micromanager. What’s the point of having sergeants, lieutenants and captains if you are going to do their job commander! If they aren’t doing their job then you need to Council/spar them just like you love to do to blue shirts, what’s fair is fair. To play devils advocate officer, make sure all of your reports are approved before your end of tour
Truth!
Make stupid people supervisors, and you get stupid orders that eventually trigger lawsuits that result in large payouts of taxpayer monies. Stupid is as stupid does.
Union!? What union???
The Good Sergeant is in the right. The sergeant actually did the officer a solid by not pursuing this issue and, at the same time, the sergeant is taking a big risk by not disciplining the officer, because the sergeant can get disciplined for not officially documenting the incident. Too many snowflakes on this job think that they know it all. You guys do not recognize a gift when it is given to you on a silver platter. Spend the time, do the legal research and read the general orders in order to understand the situation.
Another problen with this job if you are on long enough yiu will see a lot of useless blue shirts that became white shirts. Some didnt dare say shit to you in the locker room that they say today without getting bitch slapped . Then you have these rookies that will never know what its like to make real arrests . They are looking at you as being a dog ass. They assume being behind on ISRs and
event numbers is not real policing LMAO!
Haha Fn neeeerds
I’m sorry but how does wearing a hat representing a law enforcement agency do that?
Wearing the hat and yelling “la migre” while on a call….sure…not right
Wearing a cubs jersey over your police shirt doesn’t make you a baseball player
Why have another supervisor pull the number? Too much of a pussy to pull it yourself? Or in all your years of vast experience, did you not know that you can do that? Oh sorry, you're probably too much of a chickenshit keyboard commando to put your name on it.
I'll bet that SGT got in his car and pulled the half dog out of the glove box and took a good long swig on city property before he headed off to the gin mill. Phuck him.
you don't have caller ID? Was it really after your shift since you leave over an hour early every day?
Tell me the district and watch. I will show up with all my ice gear!
You needed to take 3 days before you realized your work day starts at the start time? They really lowered the standards for hiring. I'll assume you meant 1505, but typed 1305 because 1500 is 3pm and your brain is special and threw a 3 in there. Now tell us what you did in the parking lot so we can further judge just how dumb you are.
Do you get 12 of them before they crucify you though?
Maybe if you didn't fuck up your reports you wouldn't have this to complain about. If you're truly off duty, as in after the actual end time of your assigned tour of duty, tell the commander you'd be happy to fix the report on your next tour of duty, or drop a slip for OT if you have to fix it while off duty. You don't seem particularly bright, since this fixing reports thing sounds like a common occurrence for you. Maybe get someone to help you and look over your reports before you head home. Review officers should be able to fix minor mistakes in your reports, unless we're talking about TRRs or something, which it sounds like you might be, since you're getting calls from the commander. Certain reports are more time sensitive, like when an arrestee is heading to court, or when a TRR takes a few days to complete, raising red flags about your use of force. Finish the job correctly before heading home. They'll even pay you a bunch of extra money if you stay late. If none of this works for you, maybe another line of work is calling your name.
Has anyone ever heard "fly under the radar?" You guys that want to push everyone's button then say look what they're doing to me. I know all supervisor suck and no one is qualified to be in their position. This job really is not that hard but it amazes me what guys and girls will do to make it that much more difficult on themselves. Amazon is always hiring...
Another reason why suburbs suck. You are donning and doffing the uniform on your time. Roll call is at 6pm sharp. Checkoff 5:55am and not a minute earlier.
This is great advice if you want a bunch of people to get fired. You can absolutely use your cell phone as you desire. If that use involves disclosing information you obtained through your position as a police officer, even to other law enforcement like ICE, you could be in for a rude awakening. If you mistakenly assume someone is here illegally, maybe because they only speak Spanish, or because they tell you they were born in another country, etc., and you tell ICE where to find them, but they end up being a citizen or legal resident, ICE won't hesitate to share where they got their tip. You can only use info you get during your police duties for legitimate law enforcement purposes. Your department has decided that your duties do not include immigration investigations. You can roll the dice if you want, and take them to court for years if you get fired, but you'll be on shaky ground. Maybe don't use your cell phone that easily ties the tip directly to you, especially if you're also tied to the person you're reporting by your actions during your tour of duty. ICE says they got a tip from your phone number to pick up X at Y district, and you just happened to arrest X while working in Y district a few hours earlier. Won't take much to get you jammed up. More than a few police officers have had their personal cell phones become part of court proceedings, so you can't just do whatever you want because you're off duty.
Everything would have been cool if you would have been wearing a red hat with a gold Hammer & Sickle logo or a Che t-shirt.
Hahhaha. This is hilarious
Police officers are NOT required to "support the President"; their oath and duty is to the law and the Federal and State Constitutions.
You mean some PO somewhere in the city is actually early to work! I’m sure he stays and works his 9 hour tour, too. …or 8 hour tour or 7 1/2.
Let me guess...did this happen in 10 or 14?
Don’t answer your phone. And don’t sgts get quarterly pay because they sign reports late
Hey officer, remember everyone in the city ducks a 1/2 hour early- quit bitching
You absolutely can be called back to fix errors on reports and arrest packets. Especially on arrest packets that would delay an arrestees appearance in court within a reasonable timeframe (and definitely prior to 48hrs). Fill out the OT for a call back and you get paid like you're going to court(credited a minimum of 3hrs). If you don't like getting called back... get your shit right before you leave at the end of your tour.
i wear a retired miltary cap to woprk along with an nypd cap my buddy from the nypdgave to me, youorder me to take off those caps it is an instant cr number plus a reverse federal discrimination suit
i querss it is ok to wear a blm , pro palestine or pro isreal caps defintely a double standard
who is this j-goff sgt please name him
And they wonder why we're leaving in droves. Four more months.
So does that mean no Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks, Sox or Cubs hats?
Take the mini 3rd watch Lt with you.
Are you really off duty? These Fucks will say no.
You snowflakes know that you can stand up to these rotten bosses, right? Or, do the new lowered hiring standards require "no spine"??? Let them know you are not one to be fuc#$d with and they will leave you alone...
Unless you have an inside spot on days.... weekends off. Then you start sucking like a monkey in a mango tree to keep it....
Again wearing an article of clothing and IMPERSONATING that agency is wrong
Wearing something to and from work with initials or name kinda sounds like free speech issue
Stay off the blog Debbie Witzburg! To who and why is an ICE ball cap offensive and subject to conduct unbecoming? How about wearing a blm cap or a che guevara tshirt? Give us a list of approved ball caps for off duty use. Sit the f*** down and STFU.
That “1/2 hour” is the lunch I never get after going from call to call with no end in sight. You must work inside or a merit hack, right?
Let me guess??? Merit hack
It’s okay he is to drunk to know any better and his side kick
Stand up? Do you mean being capable of extreme physical violence? or standing up using your mouth pleaser? The boss will always win when your man pleaser goes haywire.
09:15:48 if you can’t figure out why it’s best to have another supervisor pull the number, preferably the next higher rank (Lt) you’re dumber than most. I hate making stupid idiots smarter but here it goes, it falls under the same reasoning why you wouldn’t write your own case report as a victim. Now go get some numbers to keep that tact spot, you know it all hero.
Be a real rebel! Fuck wearing that ICE hat!
Wear your wife’s panties on your head to roll call to show ‘em you mean business and that you’re not to be fucked with…
Good one.👍🏻👍🏻. You can have two or two hundred and there will always be a knothead .
Cool story! Tell me where I said they're REQUIRED to support the President. I'll help you out. I didn't. I was referencing J-kitty's specific case where his support of the President was deemed a political statement in violation of the rules and regulations of the department. Supporting the President of the United States is not a political statement. That was the very obvious point I was making.
Can you cite the general order that states you can't wear an ICE hat while off-duty? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen any that even suggest that would be a violation of anything. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, some supervisors may try to stretch this into a rule 2 violation, but that's a stretch, and definitely not as clear cut as you seem to believe it is. Please explain how you came to your conclusion that the sergeant did the officer a favor and also risked discipline himself by not disciplining the officer. It seems you may be a sergeant yourself, if not this exact sergeant, so I'd love to hear your explanation.
Except you don't just get to decide you didn't get a chance to take lunch and then assign it to yourself at the end of your tour. If you legitimately don't get a chance to take lunch or are denied a lunch, you can drop a slip to get compensated. Leaving 30 minutes before the official end of your tour is not a lunch unless a supervisor decides it is.
Does the lateness thing hold true for the Aldercreatures. Can someone ask ED Burke? Oh yeah...... never mind.
dont be late to check off early hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
What???
no surprise, 012 has some real creeps, from blue shirts to bosses
“The good sergeant?” You sound like the LT from 1st watch in 020. Surprised you didn’t make this about “Hawkins Minions”
My favorite song is ice ice baby coming into work
great advice moron. you'll most likely get away with it yes, but if you get caught you'll get fired. I bet you are the imbecile who thinks his/her 1st amendment freedom of speech allows him/her to criticize the Mayor/ Superintendent on a non-safety issue and you won't get fired. You are about as sharp as a beachball.
I'm calling BS on this! Such a vague comment. It was made just to create drama and have all run with it. Why not say who the Sgt was as everyone always drops a name or initials? Where did this happen? If the Sgt did do this then no way this is a isolated incident. Give us more information on it.
Nothing in the original post says "sergeant." I'm going to bet it was a lieutenant or higher
The assessment of the sergeant being in the right is correct. And all of the people who are on here saying words to the effect that they will wear clothing displaying “ICE,” please go ahead and do it. And after the incident gets documented, sue the department. You guys can sue and be set for life. Also, be a tough guy, like some of the people on here are suggesting, and defy a supervisor’s request to remove (and probably hide) the article.
Signed,
The OG Cop
I'm retired.
Hey Police Dept. ?
Fuck you !
But if you are injured in the parking lot before checking in according to workmens comp its not covered , nor if you are on lunch and get injured,not covered, so which is it?
You ain't kidding. It takes a real s***head to change a mellow like 012 into a real s***hole that most can't stand to come to work to. And yet this new district commander has somehow done it. Everyone in 012 from the dogs to the desk-dollies to the hard-chargers have their own story about this incompetent fool.
He should have just said he came from his side job at 3 Penquins Ice Delivery.
Does the OG Cop care to explain how the sergeant is right? Please cite a general order or a rule or regulation that addresses this issue and proves you correct. You can't just decide you're right because you think you are. Do you go to court and testify by saying "I'm right and you're wrong" and just hope it works out?
What do injuries have to do with conduct off-duty? If you ride a bike into the lake, your socks will get wet. If you shoot paper in your basement, it doesn't count as your yearly qualification. If you type license plates into your home computer, you won't get LEADS results back.
Mmmmhmmm very good very good
whats a mouth pleaser
and without the democRATS protecting them the criminals would be in jail
The point is CPD will not cover you as an employee until you check in so you should not have to follow their regulations until you do.
I bet you don’t have every weekend canceled during the summer and pushed into 12 hours mandatory days for a week straight. Be glad you didn’t come to Chicago PD.
Sounds like you need to drop a slip for having to answer your phone, go to the district near your house and redo the report, complaints (you can email them). They deny your OT slip fiel a grievance. Best piece of advice don’t answer your phone.
Good luck with that one dick head. When a bird brain like yourself makes such a deduction the world should listen.
Being covered for "on the job" injuries that occur while you're not "on the job" is almost as ridiculous as thinking you get to do whatever you want off-duty. Take a gander at the rules and regulations for a few minutes. Maybe you shouldn't take the job if you don't understand any of the rules. When it literally says "on or off-duty," why is it hard for you to understand? Much like many other jobs, conduct outside of work can and should bite you in the ass sometimes. Wearing an ICE hat as a police officer isn't one of those times, but your point makes no sense and has no relevance to the situation being discussed.
Over my many years on the job I saw guys who were always pushing the envelope – not because they had any moral or ideological reason to do so – they just wanted the attention. It was almost as if they were saying “look at me, I’m an attention-seeking jagoff.” It usually did not end well for them. Shooting yourself in the foot usually doesn’t.
Not too late , get a Cr # on Sergeant .
Let the Sgt’s do their job Commander. Things are just fine until useless commanders start micromanaging and creating chaos. Stay in your office commander, what’s the use of having sergeant and Lt’s?
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