Controversy
So this comment appeared yesterday. We posted it knowing it was going to generate controversy, and now we're probably going to provoke even more:
- So a copper in 020 pulls over a 73 year old woman for making a left turn at 4:10pm where it says no left turn from 4-6pm. Copper sees the fop sticker and asks if it’s hers. She says no it’s my son’s. Copper then writes her a ticket for the left turn and no insurance because she can’t pull it up on her phone. He then takes her to the station and takes her car. He claims it’s the law and he has no discretion. This guy needs a fucking life.
So let's get this straight:
- elderly driver;
- disobeys the law;
- falsely represents her vehicle as being owned by an officer;
- can't provide proof of insurance;
- gets TVB-ed;
- car gets impounded....
And the officer, in this day and age of body cameras, POD cameras, in-car cameras, all mic-ed up and recorded in living color....writes tickets and applies the law as written, but he's going to get hassled because:
- she's old? Maybe someone should take away her license if her faculties are that bad;
- she's related to a cop? That's going to look really good at the IAD/COPA investigation;
- she can't produce insurance? She brings it to court and that one is dismissed;
- we won't even speculate as to racial profiling....but imagine that one;
The impound seems a bit over the top, but if there an underlying circumstance that necessitated the impound? They exist and the comment isn't clear, but can you imagine if the car wasn't impounded? You'd be lucky to get a three day suspension.
We're sorry, but this is what the citizens of Chicago have voted for, more so the lakefront liberal crowd, but pretty much citywide, countywide and statewide....nationwide if you like. We've advocated for (and the city is insisting on) NOT enforcing traffic laws across the board. but if you dip your toe in that pond, you better be 100% in the right lest you get suspended.
You aren't going to be popular, your personal vehicle might take "parking lot damage," you might even be confronted by the mother's offended son. But you can rest assured that you probably created a voter who thinks government (that's you) has gotten too mercenary, too rapacious and too out-of-control. It might even work out in thirty or forty years.
Feel free to disagree - politely. We stopped writing tickets for anything other than accidents once cameras were installed on light poles, squad cars and police officers because we knew eventually, they'd be used against any "discretion" we once had.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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There are people not many that follow the rules to a t. Never leave early uniform squared away. Cuts a report always comes clear as soon as you leave the job etc. You have to at least respect that. But traffic is always discretionary unless license is suspended revoked or involved in accident. So if this guy is that guy ok fine. But if he isnt then fuck him. There were probably 50 more people that drove past him more deserving.
Yeah, Will for sure politely disagree. No matter the situation, BWCs or not, we still have the ability to use discretion. She absolutely can be told to leave the car, call the son and verify. Sometimes I let my mom use our van to get the kids to sports or school. I’ll admit all my insurance is on my phone. If she got stopped no idea if she would be able to find it, she’s 70 years old. More than capable of driving and doesn’t need her license taken away. Sorry, but I’ve allowed hundreds upon hundreds of drivers off with a warning on BWC.. actually the majority are let go with no movers none of whom are the police or related to the police. If I make 10 stops I may write 2 or 3 and give the rest a warning. My BWC would prove that yes I have her a break, but it would also show I gave many others a break that day too….. if this was her first CB in 73 years with a copper as a son then shame on him.. these are the reasons people hate the police.. we take law abiding good people and hammer them for revenue.. revenue for the city and mayor.. be the police, not a pimpy revenue generator for the mayor..
Okay, maybe a ticket. But impound the car too? Jeez....
COPA is viewing ALL traffic stop BWC videos from EVERY district CITY WIDE now.
ALSO, they are viewing every "Request for Supervisor" job where sergeants are dispatched to.
Play with fire, you're going to get burned.
I'm sure the 73 year old voted Democrat a few times in this SHIT-HOLE city a few times in the past half century.
THIS is what she voted for.
Just because you’re related to a cop doesn’t mean to get to act like an asshole.
Not saying this lady was acting like an asshole, but there’s a whole lot of “My brother is a cop!!!” bullshit I’ve come across.
Yeah, your brother would be embarrassed you’re trying to name drop him. Also no one gives a damn. Unless I personally know the copper, if asshole is acting like an asshole they’ll get treated accordingly.
I don’t care who you know. Coppers got jammed up for not DUI’ing the Super some years back. It’s all on camera kids.
The copper is a hand-job, period.
Get that activity to keep your watch on management.
Just realize how much of a NPC you are in the grand scheme of things.
Make it work for yourself by all means. Just don’t think of yourself as a real-deal Chicago copper.
Bush-league polo sworn targeting the decent people of the city. Disgraceful.
If you're that afraid of getting in trouble because you gave an old lady a pass, you have been castrated. Doing the right thing sometimes takes balls and you don't have any. You have become the cop all the progressives want. No doubt 020 could use you for a drag queen storytime at a CAPS event.
If you write a coppers mother let alone take her car or any female over the age of 60 you are a complete loser and can go fuck yourself. We are all we have left and you’re gona ruin that? Coward ass retards. Cops are getting dumber by the day.
He took the time to ask about the sticker why then? A couple more questions verifying he is on the job and he then could use his discretion and give her a pass. He doesn’t have to write a ticket, or is discretion illegal now ? The job is truly in the tank.
Her son should tell her to just take off like everyone else does now then, since she didn’t get treated any better for stopping and being courteous.
I’m actually embarrassed to tell people what I did for a living for 30 years.
I have seen all kinds on the job. Yes you can write it. But what is that going to accomplish. You might have to work with the Officer who’s care it is. That’s why they still have discretion for traffic. When I first got on the job I would write 1 out of 5 vehicles I pulled over. Writing your co-workers mother would only be for something serious or she was just getting out of hand.
No insurance = automatic citation. Don’t care who you are. The fop sticker does more harm than good, don’t want to be accused by a bystander, which is absolutely possible nowadays, of favoritism/bias policing. It’s all on camera I’m sure, officer did the right thing in citing her. Her age is of no factor since once again officers must not act with bias towards anyone for any reason including ageism.
If your mother can’t drive and can’t show insurance she shouldn’t be on the road.
Taking her to the station and impounding? Are you sure it wasn’t a tow or these were the only two citations?
Sorry to say, FOP stickers are sometimes handed out like candy to the wrong people by cops.
Do any cops really put these on their personal cars still today? I stopped doing so over a decade ago.
Do you think the tweakin' cop puts his on and hands them out to friends?
Over the years I found an FOP sticker on a car driven by a suspended gang member with gang warning from LEADS (TVBed and charged with misdemeanor impersonating) and another gang members with felony weight of two illegal substances whose brother was on the job (also arrested, charged and convicted of impersonating). Never heard from their FOP family members.
Maybe FOP should stop giving these stickers out period.
Name me one incident where an officer was admonished for not giving out a ticket.
Especially to a family member.
Hasn’t happened!
The cop that wrote the ticket is extremely myopic.
Even in our oath it states about not being “officious”.
I suggest that officer and a few other “traffic cops”’ read up on that.
Why is it always the “traffic cops” that pull shit like this? Beat up a little too much in High School?
Need more info why it was an impound. Everybody needs insurance, don't have it, take a ticket or a bus.
Two words. Blue card.
Followed by “have a nice day”
Maybe even put yourself down for a positive community interaction if that BS is still in play
Meanwhile an illegal alien from Venezuela arrested 5 times over the last year is arrested a 6th time three days after his electronic monitor was taken off. Charges were dropped on all 5 previous arrested.
This is what.brandon Johnson refers to as all chicagoans thriving as u.s. citizens are second class over illegal alien privilege
you forgot: "go find some real criminals" cant imagine what dist this happened in but seriously, theres nothing else out there?
I'm a dinosaur, I've been off the streets sitting at a desk for almost fifteen years now. Thankfully I haven't been pulled over but with body camera's I wouldn't even know how to breach the subject of professional courtesy.
Let's get a grip here.
If the stop was really for a right on red or whatever ten minutes over the time posted, the fella stopping this car was fishing for something else.
Upon reaching the window and seeing an old lady, run the license, find it to be valid and move on. No one is taking a suspension for reminding her to mind the sign next time and filling out a blue card.
What likely happened is guy thought he had a felony stop, she said some mean shit to him, and his feelings got hurt and he took it all the way. So yeah, guy should get a life.
Sorry, but im using discretion every day on a 73 year old lady. If u can’t find someone more deserving than an old lady, then u prob don’t belong on this job.
Cameras don't remove your discretion for minor traffic violations or compliance violations. She could've been given a warning for the turn and been on her way. Not knowing all the specifics doesn't really help though. Best practice would be not to pull over old ladies for minor shit. Time restrictions on turns is minor shit.
Haha the real police …anyone who pulls over a 73 year old is a tool … im the police story teller while getting 50 percent off his or her latte…
Tough situation , old lady driving without insurance is a huge liability . If she had hit someone the cop would be fired .. I guess he could’ve called the son down and him drive the car or call for a sgt to the stop . Tough one to be in either way you’re being arm chaired on Monday .
Who the hell would want to represent the CPD on their car??
I would rather have a bumper sticker that says please scratch my paint, please flatten my tires.
The original commenter is correct. This was overkill. The entire stop could have been a simple warning. I get the point the blog is trying to make but both things can be true at the same time. Voters have actively voted against police using their discretion and this entire traffic stop did not need to result in car being impounded.
There used to be a way to handle this
Speaking of controversy, SCC and the Chicago Contrarian get credit for outing those aldermanic aides quietly getting those thousands of dollars in bonuses.
Alex Nitkin did a piece on this for Crain's Chicago Business
https://x.com/CrainsChicago/status/1912174514672218482?t=qt1QwpAjnAbSpqy2DFHmxw&s=19
Our sellout pal, Tricky Nicky Sposato (38th) had no comment and somehow Ald. Gil Villegas (36th) justifies these bonuses. This after his Chief of Staff Vanessa Valentin recently had her base pay shoot up from $109K to $120K.
Valentin also has been known to cut her work day short to be at meetings for the clusterfuck of an Local School Council at Steinmetz College Prep. Word is Steinmetz enrollment is down another 100 kiddos, putting their enrollment at 950.
Ruth Cruz (30th) also gave out 4-5 bonuses to her ward and committee staffers. Cruz recently came under fire for hiring a former Villegas aide that left his office to work in the CPS LSC Relations Office. The aide, Justin Heath, was making $60K after getting DNH'd by CPS for inappropriate conduct. Heath resigned from Cruz' 30th Ward office while under investigation by Chicago's IG.
Who vets anyone anymore?
Impounding the car is over the top.
Respectfully…with that logic just say professional courtesy is done? Active but off duty? Ticket. Retired guys? Ticket. Family? Nope…ticket. Everyone’s getting a ticket. We can get on a soap box on a blog all we want but the moment we try to badge our way out of a ticket and it doesn’t work we’ll flip our shit. I’ll still keep professional courtesy going if and when I can. It’s not much but it’s still something.
You have to stop falling back on the BWC. You still have discretion!! You are not locking up everyone for everything and you are not writing everyone you are pulling over. You have discretion!!! Stop being afraid of the cameras!
Years ago prior to cameras everywhere the police had discretion. A lot of guys and girls got a play based off of their behavior , attitude and severity of the situation. However, these days with all the cameras you are truly bound to follow the letter of the law to the “T”. That’s why you shouldn’t stop anyone you’re not willing to hammer. It is what it is.
yea,,, if the recording shows a non-white driver getting a break by a white officer, they will say it was an act of compassion and integrity
No mention of a driver’s license. If she has a dl then u can’t do a tvb or impound
Pick and choose your battles
Don’t worry grandma, traffic court throws out 98% of tickets
Her being old makes it all the more important to make sure she has insurance. Some of these old people are not there anymore and shouldn’t be driving. Their absentee children don’t care enough to take the keys away. Obviously her loser kid got mad at the mother being Held Accountable.
First off it wouldn't be an impound. No license/insurance is just a tow. Suspension/revocation is an impound. Having license and no insurance is just a ticket on top of the no turn ticket. We are missing details or the PO is poorly trained and the Sgt should have caught this.
She was driving in Chicago so why bother? No one has motor vehicle insurance in this rats nest.
If she was indeed some coppers mother this could have been handled differently. Even Talley's dope mobile got a play.
We still have discretion! Especially when it comes to traffic!
We still have discretion. I've given a lot of breaks myself and I know of other officers who have also given people breaks and none of us have gotten into trouble for using our discretion. Also, I'm sure TAC and PRT give people a lot of breaks everyday on their traffic stops. Now, if I ever get into trouble for using my discretion, I will never give anyone a break.
73 year old ladies are required to obey traffic laws--and routinely ignoring any and all traffic signs is routine up here in 020. As a taxpaying law abiding driver-more traffic enforcement would be much appreciated. (am just assuming the districts are so short handed no one has time-- not that officers and supervisors just dont care.)
What a fuckin asshat ! In my years on this job, never have I written anyone related to a PO. A simple rule is , you are a productive citizen, you have a job, equals just a simple explanation of the infraction and to be careful . There’s plenty of assholes to write tickets to, unless of course your the asshole !!
Why is he towing the car and taking her in? If she has a valid license, nothing else should be an issue for towing.
Traffic stop? 020?
It's called discretion. You can give a warning without writing a ticket anytime you want. Everyone hates on the police then you have this tool writing a coppers mother, If we don't watch out for each other and our FAMILIES then were doomed. I hear stories like this all the time from various people and my response has been "because coppers are assholes."
Sounds like he works in the Traffic unit
except for that crew that f@#$ed up the Drunk Superintendent incident. they all took time.
She should have had a medallion instead of just a sticker. Son was holding out on her.
Meanwhile, yo-yo's car didn't get impounded with dope found in it. Fuck this stupid department.
The 73 yr old lady was low hanging fruit. She wasnt going to fight him. He knew the audience because it was one of our moms. He pimped her, remember this for when he calls for help.
serious question:
Where is it written that 'discretion' is allowed?
I'd like to print it so I can tell/show my Sgts and WOL I can use it.
you sound as retarded as the asshole that impounded the car
thats what I always thought .
You don't impound the car for those 2 citations. You can tow the car, If no valid D.L. and no insurance. Now if she was arrested for impersonating the police because of the F.O.P. sticker, that's a different story.
I always thought to impound or tvb it was no insurance and suspended or no dl
The pussification of this dept is nearly complete. Can’t believe how many commenters are trying to justify this the actions of this cowardly POS. Bet this “officer” is no where to be found when other cars call for back-up and to scarred to pull over any shitheads. A real tough guy that needs to be taught a lesson !
I can verify I have an asshole relative. There was an especially unhinged time I was afraid he might be throwing my name out there. I actually told a few officers I had contact with because of him, “Spread the word. Arrest him, you’re not doing me any favors letting him go.”
If there’s truly not more to this story than what’s been reported (she was nasty, had other infractions etc), he had discretion to especially not impound the car. 73 is not that old and most people still very capable & not reckless. If that is all true, the officer is a loser and I know exactly the type. It’s the same guy who’ll pretend to make himself busy when a call for a 10-1 goes out, the same guy who’ll avoid all real or challenging police work, the same guy who’ll stand there with his hands in his pockets as fellow officers have to get hands on. Same guy who does nothing 90 percent of the time until they need to show activity for easy OT. Yep, I’ve seen this guy dozens of times.
Kinda over-the-top...
Were you there? Do you know all the circumstances?
I respectfully disagree. We still have discretion. That said, I’m not going to second guess a brother officer when I wasn’t there and don’t know the totality of the circumstances.
wow,,, so many people saying this was a good traffic stop on a 73 year old lady are the same ones who would complain about a teenage gangbanger getting pulled over
Sounds like this guy would lock up his own mother just to get his numbers up for the future TACT application. Instead of catching hard criminals we have switched our focus to dealing with grandmas and petty traffic offenses.
Sorry, but I continually see Officers utilize discretion on gangbanging POS's and illegal immigrants. If an elderly police relative can't be given a "blue card" warning, the involved Officer should hang his/her head in shame. Whoever doesn't agree: Never, ever complain when you or your relative get cited for anything and everything. Further, I do not want to hear about how you and your relatives follow every traffic law perfectly and have never committed a traffic violation. Please save that story for gullible, fucking idiots.
Why was 1st Deputy dog Talley’s car not impounded after her niece and friends were caught with all those drugs? Did some big boss intervene? Did COPA investigate who decided not to impound the Lexus?
As our old car “blow job” Superintendent used to say “right now we got more questions than answers.”
Every district has an asshole like this. We had a guy write tickets to coppers family members, off duty suburban cops, elderly, etc. The watch commander finally called him into the office and said he would be on a foot post in th projects on midnights 99 if he continued with the bullshit. That watch commander in that district should have stepped in and non suited the whole fucking thing. I another incident, one of the guys on the watch was an absolute beast. Ex boxer, martial arts and weightlifter. Was running late to roll call made a bad turn. Got stopped outside of his district by another district car. He apologized, had his equipment with him and stated he was trying to make roll call. One of the traffic POs decided to have fun with him by running his DL over the air while pointing out "he says he works in 18". Put the guys personal info right on the air. A year or so the PO looks over in the locker room and sees the new guy in the district changing. Guess who the new guy was? Luckily for the new guy a couple of other POs were able to grab the Big Guy, enabling the traffic specialist to run out to his car. Like his pants were on fire. The moral of the story is you might have to face the guy you fucked over sooner or later. BY YOURSELF. MAN TO MAN.
You tweakin' bruh
That was Fear of talley, not respect or courtesy.
This was a 73 yo lady not some MS13 cholo.
You're an idiot. Look for it yourself. The only time you have to write a citation is suspended/revoked or if the violation was the cause of an accident with a CPD video. You realize that TSS cards exist right?
BULLSHIT!
Do the simple math-
Count how many people are on your watch, multiply by 3.
Then multiply by 23.
At the least, 2 videos a day…
crapa doesn’t have the manpower to watch all those videos.
Feel free to stop your conspiracy theories and bullshit rumors
Discretion is a wonderful thing. I can’t tell you how many drunk coppers, fireman, teachers, city workers etc I’ve stopped over the decades and made arrangements for regarding getting them and their vehicle home. Passed out waiting for that train? No death or great bodily harm as a result of a fender bender? Yeah, I think that we can figure something out here amicable to all parties involved.
I’ve also given similar plays to the average ghetto resident, whether it was traffic, dope, etcetera. Respect, honesty and a cordial dialogue goes a long way on both sides. You’re gonna start the exchange out by motherfucking me and telling me that “you only stopped me for being ____________ “. Well, that’s pretty much a guarantee that things will not be working out optimally for you.
A polite demeanor when stopped. Producing the requested documents without trying to spin me with a variety of cockamamie excuses for not being in compliance and/or proof of being gainfully employed always tilts the scales in your favor. The occasional comedian with a great sense of humor or those who pled an articulate defense were also regularly given passes on mundane shit like “gang loitering”, open alcohol or throwing dice on a corner.
I’ve returned loaded firearms to old timers in the ghetto who were found to be veterans trying to walk to the corner store for lunch meat. “Officer, I can’t hang with these young bucks no more…”. “Understood, have a blessed day, sir, and thank you for your service”.
Sewers were made for dumping a few bags of weed down. Car keys tossed in the trunk and vehicle locked until you or your people came back with a license and/or insurance. Your imagination was your only limitation when figuring out how to police in the real world. Yes, there were no BWCs recording every second of your day, but discretion can still be used today if you know how to play the game properly.
Exactly!
“Could you please get your insurance updated! Tell your son to stay safe! Have a nice day!”
But apparently that simple thing is difficult for some cops.
Well, we can start with the Oath you took, then we can move to the GO about Traffic Stops.
You should do your own homework.
It’s coming to this. You can use discretion Why not call the son and talk to him. He can get you the insurance information Send it thru the phone Sort of a crappy stop at 4:10 for a 4-6 violation. I know it’s after 4 but we don’t write tickets for a few miles over the limit. Even the city uses discretion and gives you 5 over. Sounds like this person is a stroke Needs to spend some time in 01
Don't know who you are pulling over 80% of the time. tinted windows, distance. etc. All you see is a vehicle committing a violation. You find out once you talk to them
Signed, the person who probably thinks every loser who’s never held down a legit job for more than two weeks and collects public aid or sells dope and sleeps until noon and generally provides nothing to the public good should get a pass and more free stuff.
Doesn’t say much about supervisors reviewing the video. After seeing 73 year old policemen’s mother making a left turn 10 minutes late I would hope they would just move on the the next tape which I’m sure they do on a daily basis. And COPA usually only looks when there is a complaint
A senior citizen unable to manipulate her smart phone and no insurance card. Who could have predicted? It was 4pm-something. Did anyone think to call the insurance agent to check for validation? (That's a free-bee question for the next sergeants' exam.) Now she's infamously in fourth place, only behind Mrs. O'Leary, St Valentine's Day and Capone.
Years ago an older man well into his 80’s was leaving the secretary of state office at 99th and King Dr. after he had just renewed his DL. And within only a few blocks from the facility was involved in a traffic crash. I look at his freshly brand spanking new drivers license and see his last name which was very unique and i’d recognized as the same last name of an A/2 property detective. I pulled him to the side and quietly asked if he was related to the detective and he said that yes it was his son. This man should have never been given a new license because not only of his advanced age but because of his obvious confused mental state. The guy he struck was or course suspended and had no insurance so guess who was ticketed. The detective saw me later and thanked me and related that he took his father’s license away immediately. The moral of the story is take care of our own when you can. I worked with a bwc at the end of my career and fully knew what trouble it could bring so don’t think i’m an old timer without a clue like some are apt to do on this forum.
Makes sense but She was NOT drunk… KARMA is real…
How come the 009 tac team didn't use discretion when they locked up a recently retired A/1 detective sgt? A illegal back into his car and a fight ensued. They used video of the incident to get a head. Thanks Lt Dave.
Nose ring, mental issues and God know what else. Can’t even imagine what next generation of officers will be like. Society might just be better off with robots instead.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGbaHJ6vTz5/?igsh=aGVqbm5sbjF1NTR2
Migrantos sometimes show up to traffic court. No license, no insurance, minor traffic infraction- case dismissed. And that includes accidents with personal injury. No court mandated fees. Just a thank you for coming to court, drive carefully and get a license. American citizens under similar circumstance during the same court call were given the mandatory fine for operating without insurance, mandatory court fees all after obtaining a valid license and showing proof of insurance. Level the playing field.
3rd watch in 020 are bunch of idiots. Stay on the radio non-stop, chasing retail thefts for hours and listen to the new kids as if they were sergeants. Go west/south if you want to continue this way of policing…..
"...we won't even speculate as to racial profiling....but imagine that one"
That probably isn't the case, since she's not a great grandmother.
Agree 100%
It isn’t a problem until it is. Eddie Johnson, they took time, all of them. Why? Can’t do bias policing anymore. You thick headed old timers need to get it in your head, all that bias hiding behind “discretion” yeah it’s gone now if you want to go home with clear head every night. No discretion, letter of the law. Fuck them. It’s your job and career not their’s. If you can’t write a ticket don’t stop anyone.
Discretion is another word for Bias according to Copa. Don’t use the word anymore. Write everyone or write no one, that’s the world we live in nowadays. Do not listen to old timers who never passed a sergeant exam, those are the worst people to listen to nowadays. They’re incompetent and have no clue how the world works. Cite every problematic issue such as no insurance, no driver’s license, no registration. Do the right thing. No more bias/discretion policing
Wrong! Discretion is allowed
You are a bias police officer. What is your name and star so I can report you to OIG and Copa for admitting you have unmitigated bias in your policing
Mother probably told her kid Po the wrong information.
You hit the nail on the head! Grandma gets screwed while ghetto rats get a free pass. This department and the newer officers suck
Discretion is another way to say bias. Old timers just don’t understand. New wave of policing you can’t just let that off duty go anymore and expect nothing from it. You should fully expect to be interviewed by Copa for bias policing, could even be a set up. Welcome to the new world of policing, retire if you don’t like it or can’t hang.
Would you do that for a democrat voter in 11? Wait for their kid to come get them? Cmon now. You’re showing your bias for her being a police officer’s mom which used to be okay but not now. The kid should make sure his mother has insurance and her drivers license if she’s getting old. This will all be taken care of at court though just like every other stop.
I had a guy nod down to his lap where he had his ID at. Don’t know if camera saw it or not but think about this, if you ask for “professional courtesy” you’re really asking the officer to show bias and that’s a no go nowadays.
I hope Copa does a review of all your stops and hands you a rightful suspension for bias policing. The old ways are gone brother, gone gone. Driving a drunk copper home? Gone. Get ready to be a truly unbiased, professional agent of the government.
I bet that you are a College Grad! You would, probably MF the officer that wrote any member of your family, so don't talk like a tough guy, You Ain't.
Todays scum
That's an impossibility
I'm a lady over 60, can you explain your conclusion sonny boy?
They're dropping charges on tho migrants so ICE can't find them.
So we are doing scenarios on the Blog now.
Exactly...doesn't add up
Who cares what they review. As long as you're using your discretion fairly, there's nothing they can do. If I stopped 10 cars I'd let 9 of them go, because there's always 1 jagoff that gets lippy and acts a fool, he get's all the tickets, not a 73 yr old woman. That officer is a coward.
no ins. is not a minor traffic offense..Sadly no discretion because it's not classified as minor. I found that out 28 years ago during an OPS investigation.
Wow, another pussy heard from. You sound like a traffic guy.. Who cares if it's on camera, you can use discretion. You don't have to write a ticket. He wanted to write the ticket.
Typical 020 district hard charges. Never knew how too police even in the days Pre- Obama Era. Agree with you somewhat SSC do to the demolishman environment of limited discretion. Yet, if hexwas paranoid a ticket coild if been issues and he coulf have just forgit in court without repercussions. This is just a downtime 020 shaky officer that is afraid of the radio.
Her son keeps it on his phone so she didn't have it to show. That's where a conversation takes place to figure things out.
But hammer a cops mom with tickets and tow his car.. job is done.
That's all who get pulled over now because they're "safe" stops and they don't flee.
If you can't handle this stop without calling a Sgt. you should go turn in your badge. The cop isn't getting fired for not writing an insurance citation.
It doesn't need to be written, your Sgt. and WOL don't care if you use it, just use it fairly and you won't have a problem. When you develop patterns of only giving breaks to or only writing certain people, is when you have a problem.
Don’t ever think or look for IAD to do anything but what the bosses want.
The only thing this officer did wrong was initiate a traffic stop in the first place. And if it was "unavoidable," then you need to try harder to avoid it next time.
Must be “Turbo”. He’s a strange dude! Not sure if he still drives a crown Vic that looks like an unmarked or not but he’d drive all the way home to 8 in his uniform. He wants to play by the rules until he makes a mistake and in that case wants a pass. I watch a random video every night and can’t tell you the last time I’ve seen someone write a ticket.
Don’t worry Grandma, we had guys and gals who don’t go to traffic court for years. Case and class dismissed.
all this monday night quaterbacking by the clouted do nothing political hacks
unless you were there stfu
since everything is about race and race is about everything im curious
what race is the po n the traffic offender
You guys crack me up. Who knows if that original post is even real?
1-2k events per day for traffic stops. Every event would have to auto attach to the BWC video which is very rare. Not enough minutes in a day to review even a quarter of these videos…. They can’t even get done with an investigation in two years they aren’t sitting around watching 2000 videos every day.
Pulling over an elderly woman who doesn’t have her insurance card is a tough situation? Call for a sergeant? Jesus Christ. You’re embarrassing. As long as the elderly woman is being polite, check the license and send her on her way. There’s nothing tough about it. Granted everyone is being polite, my rule was never ticket a cop, fireman, nurse, doctor or the elderly. Tough situation? What an embarrassment.
You still have discretion. It’s not illegal or against general orders to not ticket someone. Just because you have a camera doesn’t mean you don’t have discretion for minor things like this. If she’s got a bundle of blows in plain sight? Sorry granny you’re coming with me. Don’t have your insurance card? Let the 73yo woman go. Stop acting like because you’re on camera you’re going to federal pound you in the ass prison for 30 years because you let an old lady go with a warning. Give me a break.
Loser.
Discretion. Most tac stops in the district end in discretion. No drivers license, no insurance, no registration and they walk
couldn't agree more
Right
Just combine 020 and 024 already
no ins. is not a minor traffic offense..Sadly no discretion because it's not classified as minor. I found that out 28 years ago during an OPS investigation.
4/16/2025 02:19:00 PM
really? does it go to your major or minor room?
Anonymous at 1:24….. Office, back in the day you would only be able to take the bus to work. Your car would have had the tires slashed the first time then torched the second time. And watch out for your check…. That would have disappeared. Good waiting weeks for a replacement. You would have been dumped off the watch and ultimately you would transfer out because no one would work with you. Oh, and don’t even think about leaving anything in your locker, if you had one back then.
Were you? Do you? Don’t tell people not to pass judgment, it’s literally your job to pass judgment. Somebody was an asshole in this situation, cast your vote for who it was and take your shot. If you don’t like it, get off the internet.
Turbo would write his own mother 5 citations, no problem.
The worst are the Special PO's......
They ID themselves on camera and beef when you write a blue card
Hey IDIOT.....
💯 Old School right here. I wish we could still have this much discretion but the job and society as a whole won’t let us. They’d go out of their way to fire you or criminally charge you or both for doing things like this. I remember getting pulled over with a buddy who had a bag of weed. Copper gave him 2 choices: get locked up and impound the car or eat the weed. It was hysterical watching him choke it down while we watched from the curb, all handcuffed for the officers safety. Once he was done we were all sent on our way. THATS the kind of old school policing that is gone never to return. I woulda loved to have been trained by an FTO like you.
Why would you have to impound the car? There's only certain situations that you have to do that. Or even can do that.
They're using AI
https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/2023/02/01/police-body-camera-video-chicago-truleo
Sorry pal. The only way that you can non-suit a mover is if you write another mover to replace it. You can't make it go away.
The best part of this whole thing is that it doesn’t make sense, and yet there is an armada of morons talking shit about the supposed cop. If she just had no insurance, it’s a ticket and a court date. Let her bring the insurance to court and they drop it. If she was suspended / revoked and has no insurance, good, then she deserved the impound. If her license was expired more than a year, it’s a misdemeanor and is Cite & Release. The impound is still valid. No one is impounding a car just for giggles based on her not immediately pulling up insurance right away. Either the story is hot garbage just meant to ruffle feathers or key details are deliberately not being said to make it sound bad.
You're an idiot. Look for it yourself. The only time you have ....
sounds like you also don't know where it is written ,,,,,,
I once pull over an old lady on accident (was looking for shitheads for pretext stops) and just told her "sorry, not looking for you," and drove away. Dumb? Maybe. Likelihood of adverse consequences: 0.000000000007%.
Show me the order or rule that says you have to arrest or write everyone you pull over or stop? There isn’t one. That’s why it is called discretion, just like 20 other things in this job.
You’re a goof. Go hand the radios then clown.
If it was my mom I would impound his ass!
To the POS asking for the commenters name & star so they can contact copa:
Why don’t you tell me your star# so you can get what every scumbag rat deserves ?
This is what the dept has become, bunch of whiny little bitches too scared to confront shitheads, but have COPA on speed dial to snitch on other coppers. Good Luck to the few remaining decent coppers on the job!
It is quite alarming majority of the comments are saying it is okay to use discretion for no insurance. In case anyone has forgotten, NO INSURANCE, is mandatory court. It is one of the few offenses where your use of discretion places the liability on your shoulders without taking enforcement action. A citation at the bare minimum covers you. There's no excuse to not provide a required document per the law. You as a driver are responsible for any car you drive.
Wow, can I meet you in the parking lot to give you my name and star# personally, really don’t want to put it out on a public blog. Let’s chat !
Spoken like a true pussy
In case you have forgotten, you are a jackASS !
The car was insured but she couldn’t find the card.
With minimal detective work, the cowardly member could have contacted the son or someone that could locate the required mandatory information.
Hey all you young whipersnappers. Enough of this 73 is old shit ! I'm 73 and im a hell of a Wheelman ! Now 74,that's old. Carry on .
so to recap: If you are a younger copper in a district that isn't 020, you are smarter, cooler, and every move you make is the best and "real police" way to do things.
meanwhile, hasn't been a bid to 020 that went unfilled.
The lawsuits, f**k-ups, ridiculous videos, copper-on-copper beefs, sordid sexual antics, ripping off dope dealers, chases that go way sour, big bosses everybody despises, every district has 020 beat on those, too.
Half the district is filled with transfers from every other district. That's why it used to take 15-20 years to bid to 020.
Yeah, that's way different now, with all the oh so smart twenty somethings so afraid of old timers "incompetent, biased" policing, they have to suffer when they beg to stay in 020, where they do sh*t like stop the easy targets for 'activity.'
IT'S TRUE.
COPA has 3 goofs at there Chicago Avenue office, all these 3 police haters do all day is watch body camera footage.
It was the last asshole bitch Andrea Kersten who started this shit last July.
They want to fuck as many coppers and supervisors as possible with Mayor BITCHES blessings.
What's worse is when you are the driver and the cops name you drop is a bigger asshole.
Let's say this 73 year old lady with no insurance ran a red light and hit a car driven by one of your family members and injured your kids, would you still advocate for giving her a break because she has an unlawful FOP member sticker on her car? GOOH
I’ve lost all hope for this department.
If someone gets “lippy and gives attitude” and you give them a ticket while letting 9 others go, that’s called retaliation you dumbass. Some coppers are brain dead bags of bricks honestly, no training, bare bones education. Downright fools. Copa probably reading that foolish comment rubbing their hands together. You just admitted your action was in retaliation because the driver hurt your little feelings, not some ethereal “discretion” based unbiased action. Once again, coppers tell on themselves.
That’s not discretion that’s a clear bias and will get you days now.
Female copper got written up for wearing a nose ring to court. Glad I saw it happen, they are getting worse.
Traffic cars don’t fish for anything except an early duck and it’s been that way forever.
NO!
You're describing managements and they are told to produce or go to midnights.
There were some officers in 025 on third watch years back that would give FOP stickers and medallions to their gangbanger friends.
Dummy, unless the words "must", "will" or something similar appear before an action it is discretionary. You will find those words before the actions required when encountering a person with a suspended/revoked license and the proximate cause of a crash with a CPD vehicle. Use the search function in the Department Directives application and you will find them. Sorry I can't recite which specific order it is. What I can say confidently is that orders so exist because I am not a fucking mouth breather who can find answer for myself without relying on the traffic robot whose knowledge was passed down from another socially challenged robot with no critical thinking skills.
Then why do the blue cards exist?
Go granny go granny go granny go
73 years old? Almost old enough to run for president. Use the least amount of force to gain compliance - "Have a nice day and drive carefully ma'am"
WRONG !!!
You sound like an issue down the road.
No one wants to live to be 100, until they're 99.
But she didn't!
All the BS in this city and this guy is pulling over elderly women for minor traffic. Go pull over some bangers and stop getting numbers by messing with senior citizens.
That’s the way it was years ago
12:28-
Kid, you need to quit this job. Seriously, leave and go do something else. Union plumber, 399, pipe fitter, whatever.
Your post shows exactly what type of cop and person you are. I really don’t want you backing me up. Not that you ever would.
“Show bias”-
STFU, and grow a pair, kid!
And keep drinking the consent decree kool-aid.
Number of years ago, prior to my entering "old lady" status, I was stopped for a minor traffic violation, didn't make full stop at stop sign. I didn't have my insurance card with me, so I got a ticket for the traffic violation and one for no proof of insurance. Went to court with proof of insurance, so that ticket was dismissed. Paid the fine for the other. Seemed fair to me. Have to admit that impounding the car seems a bit over the edge.
Anonymous
That’s not discretion that’s a clear bias and will get you days now.
4/17/2025 05:20:08 AM
Wrong. Does not even remotely fit the definition of “bias”.
Especially if you properly and completely articulate your actions in the event they’re requested from you. Quit being a scaredy cat. Hardly anything you were taught in the academy is legit or applicable in the real world. Your instructors consisted of people who either never/rarely worked the street, much less in a busy district where they’d have gleaned extensive and diverse real world police experience.
You can’t teach something you don’t know.
My father was CPD. He would always call the new officers into a meeting when they got to his district. He would ask them " Do you know why the public like firemen? Because they don't write tickets!" He would inform them that is absolutely the worst PR for the department. Don't hassle the public. Be polite, tell them why you stopped them, let them off with a verbal warning, and be done. If they are major jerks, use your own discretion. I have met policemen who worked with my dad and the irony is many have told me about his ticket speech and how he was a cop's cop. Wish he was still with us.
I don't understand why the car was towed or impounded. It only gets impounded if her license is revoked/suspended & has no insurance. That's a $1000 fine. It only gets towed if she has no valid DL & no insurance. That's a $150 fine. If she was only missing the insurance, there is no tow or impound. Maybe that was the problem. Otherwise, if he gave her a ticket than tough shit.
Who knows if this incident actually unfolded the way the original commenter says it did? Because we all know that cops never tell a tall tale to make someone look bad.
She didn’t she made an illegal left turn at 4:10 when there is no left turn 4-6 PM. You are talking something completely different
Fuckin clown
Can you tell age, race and gender of a driver from behind the vehicle?
Where is there "no left turn" 4-6 pm?
Its hard to make an argument when you can't articulate what you mean
If you are in 020 on a bid, you probably don't care about "activity", but if you are there on management, do what you have to do. It takes less than an hour to write 5 parkers and one or two movers.
Glad to hear she got written up. You get paid to dress a certain way. Just follow the rules.
You’re a moron plain and simple. No insurance card on your person means no proof of insurance period. It could simply be proven in court and dismissed.
Allll you morons keep saying tradfic cars... when over 75% of the arrests in the Q from every district are from traffic stops. So I guess 75% of the cops working are "traffic" cars. Wtf does street stops now a days .. hardly anyone. I agree it was a unnecessary ticket and tow .. but these are the coppers they are hiring these days. Without a pdt, dept cell phone, LPR, or any other tec, these cops now a days couldn't find a law breaker if it was in their lap. Point being that back when I got on you would be lucky to have a pdt in your car.. and if you did it worked 50% of the time. This made you have to learn to use all your senses to establish PC, ie learning what was the right car, right person to stop vs that old lady, but if you did you also learned the art of making that stop be informational rather than criminal. Even if this old lady mf this office, and he was "offended", thats the generation they are hiring and wanted when all the bs started. Again, thats what the department wants and is hiring, so you cant be madd at him for being a softball, be madd at the public who wants these types of officers, until they are pulled over. Again, you made the stop, approach see its an old lady, quickly advise her to be careful and be on your way. Don't ask for anything, run her name, etc, just turn around and go back to your squad and carry on .. no harm no foul.
True tho
I know who is going to have an issue on a promotional exan
I have let so many people go with a verbal warning because we CAN and they were giving me the chance to use discretion. Why he did what he did? I couldn't tell you. He could have had her call her son/family member to send them a picture of the insurance, not a big deal. However, if she named dropped her son, datawarehouse him, do IL Officer lookup on ISEB(if he's a suburb cop or you know their full/partial name) and then be on your way if she's cooperating. IF you did this because you can, you are an idiot. I don't write people unless it's for serious shit, non-discretion stuff, or the other obvious. I use that relation because I know if they see me on a major scene they'll continue be more forthcoming to tell me things/what they saw/heard etc. This is what I learned from older CPD vets, and still use it to this day, it yields me results for case building. I would HOPE this officer is not a dick, but this could tell me otherwise. Don't expect the community to talk to you, drop you some intel nor back you if something major comes out on your zone/watch/call.
In my 15 years on the job I’ve never seen a department as divided as ours. No comradery at all!! I do blame most of it on this newer generation of cops.
No back bone, terribly trained, and afraid of their own shadow. Not all recruits are like this, but the majority coming through the academy are. For all those in the comments, whether you agree or disagree, discretion is the most important tool...not on your belt, use it!
There is no 9th district tact team just glorified traffic cars
Ooooo, ten minutes into the No Turn time period. The horror! What's the matter, no gangbangers on the east end anymore? You're a self-righteous POS. It'd be different if it was YOUR mother, right?
Is she from Pasadena?
“The car was insured but she couldn’t find the card.” THATS ON HER. It is not our job to jump through hoops, make a traffic stop a 20+ minute fiasco, make calls to their insurance, etc. You might want to read the very simple statute. You ask and they provide, if they don’t, they don't have it. Period. Glad to see you take everyone on their word. Idiot. You probably also believe “they aren’t my pants” too.
Like it or not the job was recorded correctly
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