Good F#$%ing Lord
Chicago Police Officer Krystal Rivera was “unintentionally” shot and killed by her partner when they encountered an armed person during a foot pursuit Thursday night in Chatham, police officials said.
Police Supt. Larry Snelling previously said that Rivera was shot about 9:50 p.m. while chasing a person who she thought was armed into an apartment building in the 8200 block of South Drexel Avenue. Once inside, officers were confronted by another person who was armed with a rifle, and an officer opened fire.
Police now say the officer was the only person who fired a weapon, and that the “gunfire unintentionally struck Officer Rivera.”
Where to begin?
How does the Department address this?
We can only recall one similar incident, possibly on the southwest side many years ago, where an Officer was shot in the leg (possible ricochet) involving a traffic stop, a van, and crossfire. It might have been TRU or MSF. We don't remember it all. We might be wrong on part of it.
But this....
This is bad. Very bad. Bad enough that it may call into question every bit of firearm training the Department is operating under. We could go on for hours about basic firearm safety, how the NRA teaches it, how the military teaches it, how it is supposed to be drilled into every single brain cell so that safe operation becomes habit, second nature, and part of your overall tactical awareness.
And then we could go on for even more hours about how continuing Firearm Safety is neglected as soon as you graduate the Academy, because training is expensive, time consuming, and removes Officers from the street. Plus, the City doesn't want you relying on your weapon any more - they want you to de-escalate, be less confrontational, use less-than-lethal options.
And tactics? That would take days to cover.
Something broke down, utterly and completely, and it cost a young woman her life....and a child her mother.
We are truly at a loss here.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Amazing.....SAD...
Look up killed in the line of duty PO D Brandon.
The fucking CPD has become so Dysfunctional. All in part by bad bosses, incompetence, bad policy. I’m so angry tonight.
Superintendent needs to step down.
" . . officers were confronted by another person who was armed with a rifle, and an officer opened fire. "
"OPENED FIRE" ?
What kind of schools did these incompetent Scum-Times reporters go to?
This very tragic death should not suprise anyone. How often in the past 5 years has anyone other than swat had any kind of room entry training or live fire exercises? But we have all had plenty of LGBQT and "hug a thug" training.
The department has become so incompetent. I just hate coming to work. Amateur hour, with people who don’t belong making policy.
NYPD had the 12 pound "New York trigger" on their Glocks.
Now they went back to the original Glock 5.5 pound trigger.
Perhaps the heavier one would be safer?
https://www.guns.com/news/2021/08/26/goodbye-nypd-trigger-agency-shifts-from-12-pound-trigger-pulls
The bosses knew this about a hour after the shooting and still looked for an OFFENDER 👀👀
The department has no idea how to go about this. It’s a trick bag in every direction.
Handgun ammo? NOT from a rifle?
The vest should have stopped that ????
Amazing that the only training CPD officers get is implicit bias and literally everything else that IS NOT how to survive this job or the street.
We shouldn’t have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket every year to train iletsb/nemrt firearm courses.
Insane how we can’t get reimbursed for training, and even further insane that those courses don’t go in our training files because they’re “not CPD courses” even though they’re iletsb/nemrt and approved courses through the state of Illinois.
At what point does CPD put its ego and pride aside and start giving us real firearms courses that include moving and shooting, shooting with a partner, shooting in or around vehicles, room clearing on a patrol level- the list goes on
Stop teaching cops to touch the trunk of a fucking car when you approach it.
Would love for someone to cite me a case where a cop murder was solved becuase the cop touched a trunk of a vehicle.
I’m sick of seeing our guys and girls die every six months because of the 1975 tactics being taught. We aren’t walking around with six shooters facing someone else with a six shooter. We’re going up against high powered weaponry that’s easily converted to automatic and can KILL
The academy needs to teach cops how to move with their firearms out of their holsters without discharging it.
Wasn’t there an incident in 018 a couple years ago where a firearm went off during a foot chase? Same in 011
Sorry for the rant, but this HAS GOT TO FUCKING CHANGE
Rip to our fallen officer
Anyone who thinks any of the training on this department is sufficient is woefully mistaken. I’ve had more guns pointed at me by cops than I ever will by shit heads. It’s mathematically impossible at this point. That’s the result of the piss poor dog and pony show this department passes off as training.
A child lost her mother. Heads need to roll. The Deputy Chief Of the Academy and the Superintendent need to go! I feel so sick about this and will never recover. The department doesn’t have your back
There was a friendly fire injury incident in Englewood in July of 2023.
Multiple Merit DC of the Academy should be demoted to Lieutenant tomorrow. The buck stops with her.
In my 25 years department has been mostly reactive. But most of this can be anticipated with the current group running things. I have never seen the CPD in worse shape. Everyone keeps saying go to your calls for a reason. Don’t give up your union protections being on some team. A child is now a orphan.
That Tik Tok asshole better find a new job go flip hotcakes an links Moon's is hiring on Western you fuck
Fuuuuuuuuck.
So Sad. Enough said.
True words, but let’s not forget about the partner. Can anyone imagine at all how he or she feels? And what they now will live with forever. Keep a close eye.
Unbelievable shot by your own partner. What is going on in this department
Face it, our training is crap, except for lemart, this is what happens when u push de-escalation garbage and procedural justice. This town needs and enema
Doreen Brandon rip was killed by accident buying dope in 007, when offender went to close burglar bars. Rip prayers for the partner as well as our deceased sister.
“ He acknowledged that the police vehicle that was being used to transport Rivera to the hospital had crashed and caught fire.
“There was some type of malfunction in that vehicle that caught fire,” he said. “But assisting officers came in and she was transferred to another vehicle and then driven to the hospital.”
WTF. What a tragedy all around.
Dorelle Brandon was accidentally killed by her partner
I’m not surprised, but for the last 10 years this dept has become ghetto because of the leadership. They would rather pay out lawsuits and not properly train us. How many actual hours do we get in firearms and tactics? But at least we know how to use pronouns. The academy staff is a joke and has been for the last 10 years. Merit exempts that did zero on the streets promoted beyond their abilities but it’s who you blow, I mean who you know. Secret study groups at 35th street for the fellatio subject matter experts who receive a gold star for services rendered. Once proud CPD is a joke and we are shocked when a blue on blue with our young officers? In the past 5 years we’ve had several blue on blue but no one was killed. Academy instructors? LMAO. 3 year wonders who can’t even properly wear a uniform are going to teach me what? Oh I get it. You’re teaching me what not to do. Go impress your hood rats or mommy when she brings you a hot pocket.
They have all the time & money to keep training us on transgender evil filth but do we still get a box of fifty to shoot annually?
It’s very simple all everyone is taught is deescalation and trans bs. No tactics, firearm training, entry and clear let alone driving. This dept is a joke now more than ever. Sadly it cost this young officer her life. Unfortunately more will follow
Sad day for the department.
Dept is more worried about consent decree and covering their ass so they don’t get sued that have officers that know how to operate in any tactical way. Unfortunately it cost this young mother her life. Too many young officers are put in to situations they have little to no training to handle. If this was a transsexual or a CIT she’d was more than prepared.
Truly a horrifically traffic situation that needs to be dissected and analyzed! I'm sorry for all parties involved but this should NOT have occurred!
This lesson needs to be taught, training standards need to be reevaluated and raised!
God Bless Officer Rivera and her family!!
This might have been a CPD pointing incident that went tragically wrong. The CPD needs to get rid of the policy where it’s a bad thing to point a gun at the bad guys on gun calls and possible gun situations.
In my book Snelling is a clown and a yes man to Mayor Johnson.
Training has never been a priority of the department. The only training we get is to satisfy the lawsuits or the consent decree. CPD has officially become a joke with the bosses running things. I guess they can live with them selves. A bunch of goofs.
Oh my God....
How the hell did she die from a single 9mm round to the back?? Do tac officers not wear vests anymore?? I'm so confused right now. Very early in the scanner traffic she was listed as unresponsive.
BTW the perp damn well better be charged with murder 1 under the felony murder rule....though I think it's been a good 30 or 40 years since Cook County has actually used that statute
The whole incident is messed up on so many levels. I only have two years before pulling the plug. The job has went down hill. It sickens me that young officers are cannon fatter. The job and the city are wrecked. It brings tears to my eyes just writing this.
They're hiring off the bottom of the barrel...and they're hiring children to do a man's job!
https://cpdmemorial.org/fallen-officers/detective-edward-michael-madden-star-7711/
Finger off the trigger. This PO clearly lacks firearm discipline. Maybe if he got off TikTok and practice more firearm safety this tragic incident wouldn’t have happened. What a clown he is seriously. Should be fire ASAP and face the the consequences.
Rest in Peace 🕊️Officer Krystal Rivera…May GOD continue to carry your family…💔💔💔💐💜💙🖤🕊️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🕊️🕊️🕊️
Also many years ago from news articles about the incident, a female tactical officer was accidentally killed by her partner.
She was making a buy behind a locked gate when BG grabbed her and was about to kill her. The partner had no choice but to take the shot from the other side of the gate. Perfect shot but it perforated the BG and hit her too.
Because of a shithead that ran from a vehicle smh
A very sad situation. Prayers for all involved.
R.I.P. officer.
Off subject.
The city of chicago is a total embarrassment.
Where do we start? Sorry but there are problems here.
The poor officer who died is only on the job 4 years. And that means she only had range time in the academy. With the 18 months of probation. And maybe with one or two cycles of shooting in the Area range firing 25 - 50 rounds at paper each year.
Remember we usually work with friends we met in the academy?
Now ask, how many years did the the partner have on the job? And when did this officer leave the Academy? And see how many times this officer was allowed range time since leaving the Academy. Just like the rest of us we may get to shoot once a year. And that is a whole 30 - 50 rounds shot at paper. If the city dose not get cheap?
This is where Muzzle awareness is taught. But it’s the most expensive class in any academy…..
We now start asking how much education did these officers have? And I do not mean sitting in a class room, college courses. I mean street education……
Where you work the street in a district and see how each watch changes the environment you’re working in.
We all know gun pinches are out there. And everyone is carrying a weapon……
But as an officer who has been shot at and has discharged his weapon. This is where your street education and the alleged police experience meet. And it’s also where things go terribly wrong.
How much work experience as a police officer did these two officers have?
How many street incidents did they handle in their time on the street?
Were they ever the police before?
Or did they ever serve in the military?
Did they have any Formal combat weapons training?
And with all the controversy over approved weapons…….
What weapons was used?
Tragic that our Department can put officers on the street and that this can happen. But we need to know exactly what happened. And the Superintendent and Union president better hold hands and be transparent about it. Because I want to know. And so should you..
It’s time to Learn what happen and train for it not to happen again.
God bless the fallen officer. And may God support the fellow officer in this time of reflection.
Were they thinking - line of duty shooting scenario?
I remember when an officer accidentally shot his partner killing him. 1987 or so. That shooting led the department to ban certain .45 autos.
Generally happens once or twice a year nationally.
More training and better tactics will reduce the numbers, but when you give cops guns inevitably there will be mistakes.
Happened in 24 in the late 70's partners trying to cuff a fighting offender and in 15 at a burglary in progress a female was shot by her partner during a struggle with offender. God rest their souls and partners must live with that for life.
It’s unthinkable ! How or why don’t you know or care where the barrel is pointing. A lot of issues here - I’ll stop the Monday morning quarterbacking but WTF !!!!!!
Surely doesn't make her death any easier to accept, especially for her child. Perhaps not able to look back at that specific moment she couldn't have realized she was in the line of fire from another Officer.
The news says she was shot in the back. I know Bullet Proof Vests do not give 100% torso protection, there are weak areas, the sides, and armpit areas. But wouldn't officers be wearing a vest performing ops such as these?
May she rest in peace.
It’s happened more than that. At least two other times? Once on a Search warrant where an officer was shot through a windo(?) and I believe another time with a Govt model 45.
Hands will be wrung, heads will hang and shake side to side, holier than though speeches with promise of change may even be made. But the CPD is badly broken. With no savior in sight.
All that very much aside…..for now.
Prayers, deep sorrow, and SUPPORT for the officers family. Yesterday began a nightmare that her child will live with each day of her life.
God bless the men and women who wear the uniform………..yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
I sussed this out early yesterday from the reporting. I cannot imagine the horror for everyone. My goodness.
The first female CPD officer to be killed in line of duty was Dorelle Brandon. She was in an undercover situation and was also shot by her partner. This current officer needs support. It unfortunately happens. Hopefully, the right people can reach out to this PO.
Officer Rivera needs our prayers it's true but save some for her partner too.
We are taught on a flat range standing on a line if you are in a "shooting" to get off the x or line of fire. That doesn't work if someone is coming behind you and sees a threat. We don't know but if he sees the man with a rifle and begins to shoot he not going to be able to shut his brain off fast enough if she steps in front of him. The flat range tactics we learn do not transfer to real world more than 1 officer with you. Train to lowest quality demonization and see what happens.
This is so terrible and tragic. My heart goes out to the family of the deceased officer and everyone she worked with.
But it isn’t surprising.
CPD’s firearms training is demonstrably terrible in essentially every way. You can see it by what the training is designed to accomplish, how they try to teach it, and the way they measure success. And, very sadly, the results validate how awful it is.
The only major US law enforcement agency that does this worse is of course the one that CPD copies for everything, NYPD.
We have time for community meetings, walks, cookouts, playing with the kids etc, but not enough time for proper and effective training. This is a tragedy that needs to be fully investigated and remedies put in place so that it never happens again.
What’s not needed is this ☝️!! It was an ACCIDENT. He’s going to have a hard enough time trying to forgive himself and doesn’t need pr!cks like the above adding salt!
2000 the Department started force on force training with simiutions at the vacant building's at Ohare airport. The city stopped it and torn down the buildings. P.o's love the training . Talked about room entry's and traffic stops. I guess the de escalation is more important then officer saftey.
Many years ago at the old Monroe station a male shot his female partner in the leg. He was offended when she didn’t want to work him again when she returned.
De-escalation training actually teach officers the appropriate time to use lethal force.. Don’t demean de-escalation training that is properly taught.. Proper de-escalation training by true experts & real working police works and should be required training for all, police & civilians…
I’m sorry but no. If it’d been the other way around we’d be hearing how females “ruined” the job or that they don’t belong. I only hope the department doesn’t try to take care of him by giving him an inside spot.
That is truly cruel to say, Law Enforcement is not just for men.. Many Women have stood Boldly, when it was men that cowarded down…
i believe that was larry Vincent, caught in a cross fire
Even the smallest towns/jurisdictions do more active shooter training/drills than CPD...such a disgrace! But i know how to address a transgender. This is what happens with an Incompetent Mayor and CPD Leadership.
Right on brother 100% correct.
005 th Dist. I was there 573
Most of the posts bash the training or lack of deserves to be criticized. However, even the best training will never be sufficient for some officers.
I thought the same thing. They must feel awful.
Very true
this is a horrible happening, I am hurting for all involved.
FYI, the police back in 1975 were so much better qualified than today's police, poor comparrison
Let’s not be so quick to judge. An awful tragedy, to be sure. If facts were as stated previously, of an offender with a shotgun in the apartment, CPD guns should be out. Let the investigators do their job, for the sake of all concerned. My condolences to the Rivera family for their devastating loss.
Snelling, YOyo, Ursetti, all created this situation and should all be held accountable.
It was a tragedy
There’s been several fatal shootings of on-duty Chicago policemen by other on-duty policemen in the last forty or so years the worst being the shooting death of PO Larry Vincent in 021 or 002 in the late Seventies when the tact team was shooting at each other each believing they were being fired upon by armed offenders. In another incident a policeman seated in the right front passenger was fatally shot when the rear seat officer incurred an unintended discharge. And a sergeant buddy of mine survived a near fatal GSW to the back when the copper in back if him let one go, unintentionally, in 018. Fingers off the trigger.
Unprotected area armpit.
You have no idea of what you’re talking about or the root problem plaguing the Department.
COPA is gonna be confused investigating this.
Dorelle Brandon during a dope rip.
You have no clue. Brandon was off-duty and partner on medical doing what they did best.
Cannon fodder.
They loved to say the police “opened fire “. The Scum Times is correct. They fan the flames of police distrust and hatred. I’m sure the owners of the liberal rag are Soros backed.
The piss poor dog and pony show is a result of piss poor dog and pony show merit command staff!
You are absolutely correct
Unfortunately not the first time but other officers survived. I know a couple that were hit with friendly fire and one other that shot their own foot. Yearly training has always been extremely lacking. RIP Officer Rivera
Shot in her armpit. The side isn’t protected.
Here's an idea: instead of whining that the Department doesn't provide enough training (of course it doesn't), use that uniform allowance and GO GET TRAINING ON YOUR OWN. At minimum, buy some ammo and get to the range regularly.
Their is no training for gun fighting or tatics in the CPD. When I came to the department , they taught us how to qualify for the state test. There was no real training on how a gun fight might go. CPD does not traing for tactics in a gun fight. Also the amout of years to be on tact was 5 years to get on a team. The fact po's dont want to work tact, it is now given to the lowest person on the watch.
Irma Ruiz was murdered in 1988 in a shootout with a maniac who had just shot and killed 3 people. He entered an elementary school and shot it out with Officer Ruiz who also managed to shoot the animal even though she had also been shot numerous times. She did not survive her injuries and saved the lives of numerous innocent children.
Holy shit… You aren’t lying!! I’ve seen more muzzles of Officers’ guns than I’d like. I can’t even count how many times I’ve had to yell “MUZZLE CONTROL” to the new generation.
You do know there's certain parts of the vest that aren't exactly bullet proof right??
Jay Brunkella, mid 80s
No BWC? What is being hidden?
This incident is as fishy as the Officer Jiminez shooting at Mercy Hospital in 2018. 7 years since and still no video and multiple FOIA denials.
When a homegrown “consent decree,” that is utter nonsense, and dei objectives are the department’s main focus, something like this was bound to happen.
Round got her in the armpit and ripped across to her other armpit. Vest doesn’t protect our side.
Yesterday’s shooting is worse in my opinion. Brandon’s partner had to act because of the circumstances.
Ask the FEDS to investigate this tragedy and provide recommendations first training improvements.
Or you could just quit lowering the hiring standards.
You don’t make the job more “dummy proof”, you just stop hiring dummies.
I get it, that doesn’t help your DEI agenda though, gotta make sure we check the boxes.
Another costly failure in a series of Dept failures. Leadership, policies, lowering standards in hiring, background investigation, training and the list goes on. We have no confidence in the Superintendent and his cabal of incompetent merit hacks by the rank and file. The decent bosses are few, limited in their actions and in effective in the toxic work environment within the Dept. The one term mayor carries a 6% approval rating. Both he and the 50 clowns are responsible for sad state of affairs within the Dept and the failing city. The media whores continue to shit themselves as they sing the praises of City Hall mediocrity and corruption. In the meantime, PO's like Ofc Rivera pay the ultimate price for City/Dept foibles. RIP
I understand the failings of training and policy, but the biggest head that needs to roll is the shitbag who flagged his partner and pulled the trigger. I mean wtf, sounds like everyone is blaming the city and the brass, and no one is calling this guy out.
The training is shitty, but we’ve all been taught to not flag our partner. It’s pretty basic shit, and if you can’t understand that you have no business being the police.
It’s 100% the fault of the dickhead who let that round go.
When you prioritize hug a thug training over actual tactics and firearms training. I hate to say it but during a situation on the street, I'm more afraid of the police behind me with their guns .
The best does not cover where she was hit is my understanding
God bless the real Police, and Chicago Police Officer Krystal Rivera and her family. President Trump please help protect our citizens of Chicago from the dei hires and lack of any semblance of leadership in CPD. Please speed up the arrests of illegals, which the current mayor and heads of police depts. won't do to protect our citizens. Please investigate Gov. Pritzger's anti-amercan and seditious behavior towards the taxpayers of our fine state, by not protecting us. Him making Illinois a sanctuary state, is criminal.
Everyone should know not to point your gun at your partner. No matter how deficient the department training is, let’s be honest.
This guy pointed a gun at his partner and pulled the trigger.
How can you blame that on anyone else?
Amen.
Pointing incident for aiming your weapon at your partner? File that under things that should never ever happen
Agreed
This part. But at least they’re “being the change”
That’s more important than being competent these days.
There were offenders. Remember, the one's in the apartment building the Officers were chasing you idiot and subsequently fled the building. Remember your law, the ones who are RESPONSIBLE for the officers drawing their weapon, which unfortunately caused the DEATH of Officer Rivera. It was called Felony Murder, and the offender's ACTIONS caused the death of another. That's who officers were LOOKING for.
NYPD used to teach officers to start squeezing the trigger of their revolvers on the way out of the holster, before being on target or even before deciding to shoot.
This led to a number of negligent discharges when NYPD transitioned to Glocks. Rather than correct the egregiously wrong and unsafe training issue, NYPD went to the “New York Trigger.”
The results of the New York Trigger speak for themselves — a huge increase in the number of misses by officers in shootings.
CPD should NOT do that.
CPD should instead emulate an agency that isn’t NYPD for firearms instruction. Of the large State and local US law enforcement agencies I know well, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police probably have the best training program. Closer to home, the Illinois State Police program is one that I don’t know but their hit rate is excellent, they must be doing quite a bit right.
Along with every elected official in the State of Illinois! Total incompetence and corruption. It is a failed state!
A pretty good rule of thumb to avoid these kind of mistakes is just don’t point your gun at your partner. Problem solved.
The Brandon situation was completely different than this one, do not equate the two.
This one is sheer negligence.
That touching the trunk stuff is out of LA and depicted in the movies. As is the LA movie practice of handcuffing a suspect shot by the police. In mid nineties started to see it in Chicago, especially on the north side. Always pissed me off, the asshole “witnesses never see you cuff the SOB, just uncuffing him. Then the BS you pigs shot a handcuffed man. Too much movie watching and not enough street mentoring.
This incident is very tragic but there is one thing that is haunting me and that is if she was shot in the back how did that happen when she was wearing a Vest? Was she wearing a vest? No mention about a vest anywhere.
SCC and anyone with some time on the job should understand that unless you were there you should not judge this officer. Until we know all the facts and details how can we come to any conclusions. The timing and tone of this post is horrible. This department definitely has training issues. I agree Snelling needs to step down and Bulnes too. But this is not the time to talk shit. I pray for Officer Rivera and for her family and friends. I also believe the involved officer needs our prayers and support. I don't care who he is or his back ground but I couldn't imagine how he feels right now and sadly he will have to live with this for the rest of his life. This is such a horrible incident and I pray for all involved. GOD bless you Officer Rivera we will take it from here.
Some officers had to use two hands to pull a 12lb trigger! Was easier to use it as a club.
For sure! All the unions need to have a NO CONFIDENCE vote, FOP, Sgt’s and Lt’s.
It's easy. If they have a strong phone call... No prob. If not they will make that Officer and example
As does the Supe...he was at the Academy for years
Brass have learned nothing...but at least it wasn't months of lying as with JVD
More training is needed. You never rise to the occasion. You fall back to your training.
I’m willing to bet in the aftermath of this tragedy that the department will come up with an extra day of ABLE training where we can all hang out in the fake city and be taught not to swear at our prisoners.
A RENO 911 police department with real life consequences. All they do is hire and promote goofs nowadays. Firearms training on this department is a joke. I'm surprised incidents like this don't happen more often.
The SAFE-T Act & pritzker stripped the Accountability provision from state statutes.
Training. While at some training for D & C the instructors were telling everyone how we not paid to fight
Sounded like there was still a person armed with a rifle out there
are you for real???
you must think the vest is some magical magnet that attracts all that is fired at the officer,,,, now go upstairs and ask your mommy how they really work
no,,,,, she was not the 1st
Rip to our beloved young officer. Prayers for her partner.,
However, this is really bad. I bet attorneys are licking their chops for this one. Lawsuits will follow from the beloved officer’s family and the accused offenders families, and they have it all on tape.
Where was Buffalo Butt Dana O’Malley? The Supe says too much during initial press conferences. He did the same thing that he has publicly blasted Andrea Kersten and Kim Foxx for doing-saying too much. The other two are gone, and he should follow.
Supe. Snelling you and everyone that debriefed you should step down. You made this department look really bad. How could anyone trust CPD investigations when the investigation takes a big pivot after you’ve already made hard statements? Whatever happened too, “It’s an open investigation. Let wait on the detectives’ preliminary investigation.”
During the initial press conferences, Supe Snelling publicly stated on one hand that he was “waiting until detectives review all BWC footages” to see what actually happened and on the other hand he stated, “there’s nothing like walking into a room and having to deliver this type of message to her mother and her very young daughter. ….and for a mother to lose her daughter like that….
He should’ve stuck with plan A. and waited. And again, this is the result of having an incompetent boss that feels that he can say and get away with anything, because he’s been deceiving the public.
Officer Rivera’s partner needs prayers as well.
After the 2021 Reform (SAFE-T Act):
Illinois narrowed the felony murder rule. Now, a person can only be charged with felony murder if the death was caused by them or one of their co-felons.
This means:
• If an innocent person is killed by someone not acting in concert with the offender (like a victim or a bystander defending themselves), the initial shooter may no longer be charged with felony murder.
• Instead, the shooter might face other serious charges, such as attempted murder, aggravated discharge of a firearm, or reckless homicide, depending on circumstances.
Only possible and remotely possible thoughts: she inadvertently moved in the line of fire or shot went wild with shaking hands, or not enough real training (as everyone pointed out), or dei (as everyone also pointed out. The bwc results should be sadly, enlightening. Clearly lots of terrible “went wrongs” horrible for both officer’s and their families. No good outcome. Horrible.
Exactly!
Hey dummy who knows nothing about the situation. They still had a gun pointed at them.
The power that be doesn’t want you to use your weapon, therefore we haven’t had firearm training in years. Officers used to get trained on how to shoot and move, and tactical ways of clearing a room to prevent friendly fire. If you have less than four years on, you’ve missed out on those trainings.
No, it's more difficult to be on target with that 12lb. trigger.
Every Superintendent is the Mayor's lap dog.
My feelings exactly. How does someone live with that? And yes, that person deserves compassion
This is beyond comprehension! WTF do they teach at the Academy?!? This is Gun Safety 101 shit!
Pedal to the metal red lined your engine and caused the fire. That RPM red line on the dashboard is there for a reason.
R.I.P.
Condolences to the Officer’s family, friends, acquaintances, associates, and brothers & sisters in blue 💙
Let’s not get carried away there, cowboy. It’s a tragedy and although I myself don’t know too much about it we ought not jump to conclusions. Unfortunately this isn’t the first time this has happened in Chicago or anywhere else. Unfortunately it’s not the last
Should be- died in the performance of duties.
IMO, another issue is there are very few veteran officers staying on the streets in patrol. When I got on in the 90s you learned more from the old timers in the first month then all of the academy.
They've made this job unbearable, dangerous and there's no hope for the future
Felony murder was repealed by the state legislature
1911's?
It depends on the angle the round entered the body, she may not have had ballistic coverage in that area. Sounds like it entered sideways and most likely hit every vital organ along the way. Either way it is a tragedy of epic proportions, the training and overall CPD policies have failed this officer and many more to come. Years back CPD enacted a G.O. stating that NO ONE UNDER 5 YEARS ON THE JOB would be allowed to work plain clothes, fast forward to now they have people with under 5 years working plain clothes, desperate times, desperate measures! I believe it takes at least 5 years in a fast district to really get a grasp on being a good Police Officer, under 5 years a big NO! Rest In Peace Officer Rivera.
The incident you're referring to happened in 1986 in front of a school on Jonquil Terrace in 024. Two tact officers struggling to handcuff a subject. One partner's .45 went off, striking the other partner. He died in the hospital a few days later. You're absolutely correct about the Department changing their policy regarding .45 automatics. Both were great cops. The partner who's weapon went off died some years later from a heart attack.
Well said.
You need time to do proper Firearms training, with the understaffing of the department this area was not a priority. Much easier to have friends of the connected who are awarded contracts in other areas conduct training. End of the day the department can proudly proclaim how many training hours you received.
The Superintendent is the spokesperson for the Chicago Police Department and he had the responsibility to give true facts about what happened immediately. Trust in police will continue to be frosty until they promote qualified brass and get rid of the 3 to 4x merit hacks. Prayers for Rivera’s family and her partner, two young officers attempting to remove illegal firearms off of the street. The superintendent statements will cause the public to rise up against the officer more than what they would’ve if facts were initially given.
No one respects manipulative bosses. That’s what we currently have.
Or earlier. They knew there was only one shot fired. All they had to do was ask the partner or view the body cameras.
Stfu POS! Low information mfr!
Not necessarily true. A lot come on well into their 30s. The officer responsible looks late 30s not much time or experience however.
So what your saying is the people we in trust to run things are stupid.
Completely agree with you. They failed us. Shameful. But the Democrat’s will push to keep them because they are controlled and answers to them.
There was an incident about five years ago. We’re an officer was attempting to approach Car in a west side gas station, and was shot in the back by another officer who then took his weapon and placed it on the ground instead of holster. Ing it. as far as I know, nothing happened to the shooter. he was protected
How do you know where the entrance wound was? You weren't there. Could have went under or over the vest. Stop playing investigator, Leave it to the real police, You are not a cop.
Terrible tragedy. At the end of the day. The suspect should be held accountable as his poor decision making preempted all of this.
After I left CPD I joined a couple of suburban departments. They paid for my tuition at several private gun trainers, all tier one trainers. I work with a guy was Otj at another burb. They routinely send their guys to Mid South Institute for pistol training. In case you don’t know, MidSouth is a premier shooting school.
sympathy to the deceased officer and the shooting officer.
Dont go on a die for these bosses and their activity demands. Let the supervisors go out there themselves and find guns for COMPSTAT. You’re paid to respond to calls not find activity.
Some shithead is shot by police and the officer is being stressed out to the max for years then ultimately terminated. Meanwhile Sergeant is promoted to LT and LT makes Captain. Give them nothing, screw their activity.
Don’t believe any of the “feel good warm” we’re family speech at roll calls either. These actors will stab you in the back in a New York minute. Sad reality but unfortunately true. Many young officers are naive and gullible to a fault and will learn the hard way. Lay low and be safe.
This is so true. The DEI rats have taken over every aspect of this department. I look at the hires over the past 5 years and 90% of these people are unemployable in not only any other department, but in almost any other field.
I came on quite awhile ago, but we had a training shooting scenario in which I didn't fire because I had a couple POs and several "civilians" in my line of fire, plus a bad backdrop; I secured the perimeter, prevented anyone else from entering, and started gathering witness info. I got reamed to the rafters for "not taking action" because I didn't take a (bad) shot. This is the sort of tragedy that results from that sort of training, and that apparently hasn't changed. Keeping the officer, her family, her partner, and her colleagues in my prayers.
I went thru detective school with Ed Madden, he was assigned to the old Area 6 at Damen & Grace. While searching for an armed robbery suspect in the 1400 block of Olive he was shot and killed by another officer who mistook him for the armed robbery suspect. Bad things do happen.
Why would he need to step down? Please explain
The reason they went back to the OEM trigger was because the heavy 12lb one was causing officers to miss their shots. Pulling a heavy trigger causes the shooters hand to squeeze and tighten ever so slightly, but that slight motion can cause you to miss literally by a mile. Now apply that extremely fine trigger control following a high adrenaline situation.
Vest doesn’t cover an officer 100%. Pretty significant gap especially under the armpit and shoulder blade area. Deadly place to be shot
Burbs have their officers shoot 4 times a year, with actual real world application. The flat range theatrics in CPD have to go. Last time I qualified, a PO was hitting low left, and the range instructor told that PO to aim right shoulder, so her shots would hit center mass. Pathetic, but it would’ve been more of a controversy to school that officer on proper firearms before they can go back to patrol I guess.
On January 14th, 1983, Police Officer Larry Vincent was accidently shot and killed by a fellow Police Officer while responding to a home invasion in progress at 5114 S Calumet Ave. Vincent, was working in the 002nd District Tactical Team, had two (2) years and 11 months on the job when he was killed. A brief summary of the incident: Vincent and his partner George Lipinski responded to the call. Another tactical team responded with them. Vincent and one of the other responding tactical officers entered the front door while Lipinski and the other tactical officer went to cover the rear. One of the offenders shot at Vincent and the other tactical officer. The second offender attempting to escape jumped out a side window. Vincent and the other tactical officer fired at this offender. Lipinski and the other tactical officer, thought they were being fired upon, fired at the window. The other tactical officer, who taught he was being fired upon by the offenders, fired at the open window. Tragically, this shot struck Vincent in the face thus killing him instantly. I am not naming the other two tactical Officers out of respect. I saw up close and personally how this tragic shooting effected the Officer who fired the fatal shot that killed Vincent. I don't know all the facts and circumstances of this latest shooting, so I am not going to comet on it. However, there are some posters who are making some valid and not so valid points regarding this incident. The Vincent killing happened 42 years ago. Vincent had less than 3 years on the job. I believe Officer Rivera had 7 years on the job. Vincent was accidently killed by a Police Officer. (This officer had almost 10 years on the job) Rivera was also killed by a Police Officer. Many of the posters on this site are criticizing the training the department members are receiving regarding shooting scenarios. I can't answer that question. Is the training better, worse or the same from the time of the Vincent killing? I can tell you this: at one time the department had a semi-trailer that was rigged up for different shooting scenarios. The Officer would walk through this semi-trailer with the different shot or not to shot incidents. This was a fantastic teaching and learning experience. However, the department stopped this training because of the expense it cost to run. I also remember the city bought two buildings across the street from the academy to conduct realistic training on how to enter and clear a building. Also, I am dating myself here, but the department built a makeshift building in the middle of the 35th and Normal Training Facility also for how to enter and clear a building with shot no shot scenarios. I don't know if these training methods are being used today. But what I can tell you is it COST MONEY TO TRAIN. My personal opinion is this, I don't care how much money it cost, if the money spent saves a Police Officers life it is well worth it. Like I previously stated I saw up close and personal the toll it took on the Officer who shot and killed Vincent. This Officer never returned to work the streets again after this incident. A side note: Officer Vincent's partner was George Lipinski. Several months later he died of a heart attack. The day he died I saw him in court at 5100 S Wentworth. I jokingly told him he looked terrible. He looked at me and said, "Charlie, I don't feel good". He left court and died a couple hours later. To this day, I think Vincent's death was one of the reasons that led to his heart attack. The 14th of June 1983 was the worse night/day of my career. I have been gone a long time from the department. I keep up with happenings by reading this blog. It appears that the department has gone to hell. I along with my partner were the detectives assigned to investigate the Vincent shooting.
Dorelle C. Brandon.
eow 25 Jan 1984
Such a tragedy. Heartbreaking for all involved.
CPD needs to start with the basics. And adhere to it.
Need 5 years on to be tact.
Need 5 years on to be detective.
Need 10 years on to be Sgt.
Need 15 years on to be Lt.
Need 20 years on to be Capt.
Need 20 years on to be exempt.
And 75 percent of your career time on the job must be working on the street.
Time on the job gives you experience. You always learn something new over the years. And working in different units, you gain more knowledge of investigating different types of situations and cases.
Have some empathy for the person who shot her. The whole thing is awful but although one physically died the other …..
Sorry to tell you, but the Safe T Act took care of being able to charge someone with murder for the actions of another.
Take it a step further and fire the Deputy Chiefs and Commanders of the Academy from the last 10 years. Merit clowns who were not qualified for that position. Anyone have the names of those in charge. There have been several blue on blue in the past three years but none of the POs were killed.
Rest In Peace PO Rivera.
Happened in the old 012th District, two female officers
Officers are side by side. Get to the doorway. Shooting officer has his firearm canted downward against his chest as he has just kicked the door. As the door opens, offender armed with a rifle ups the rifle at the offocers(verified by BWC) the officer swings his gun toward the offender in order to engage the offender BUT the gun is not fully on target downrange yet when he discharges his first round which strikes his parter. The shot is fired, his partner drops immedialy and offender drops rifle and takes off. What happens is unfortunatly very common in police involved shootings, especially if officers are drawing from a holster, the first shot or two shots are in a downward direction at the ground before subsequent rounds are finally on target hitting the offender. It’s the “panic” of needing to engage the offender and shooting as your gun is coming up toward the offender.. same as in this case EXCEPT his gun was canted to the side and coming from the side position forward.. it may seem like it was a “dumb” mistake but it’s way more common than you think. It’s actually been studied the “panic” of the situation and errant premature shots before being on target. Tragic
THIS! THIS! THIS! The vest question and the felony murder question. My thoughts exactly.
We are led by a person whose only accomplishment was trainer at the gym and use of force expert… and this is the result of our “high quality” academy training. Now go back and do some more ABLE training. Pathetic.
Gawd damn it!...
"Muzzle Safety:
Always point the muzzle downrange, meaning towards the target even when not actively shooting. This also applies when moving, ensuring the muzzle is not pointed at anyone or anything that is not intended to be shot. "
Prayers for strength to the survivors all around. This was a horrible tragedy. May G-d have mercy on us all...
All because she believed said offender had a weapon. Unbelievable if chasing him into a building wasn't bad enough then you end up dying by friendly fire. They tact teams need to be over.
Pray for other officer. Easy to throw stones
Poor training, job related stress can lead to poor decision making..
Military friendly fire rates (7-12% of casualties in conflicts like Desert Storm) suggest that in high-stress, armed environments, misidentification is a persistent risk. Police contexts may mirror this in urban or chaotic settings.
Agree, so sad on many levels.
Two fucking DEI idiots leading this department. Both should stay away from cameras and rout of the public’s eye.
I was working the night she was accidentally killed. So sad.
Jay Brunkella? 1986
There wasn't any "high power weaponary" back in 1975?
How does the Supt give a press conference without having factual knowledge unless he was given mislead facts intentionally. The first female officer killed in the line of duty was Irma Ruiz who was a school officer and shot and killed by a student in a school.
Yeah but it wasn’t a supervisor that shot the officer in the back was it? Not everything on this job is someone else’s fault. Sometimes you take responsibility for your own actions. Foreign concept to most I know. Easier to blame it on Sarge.
Dorelle C Brandon what is the first female Chicago police officer to die in the line of duty. She was accidentally shot and killed by her partner while working undercover narcotics. EOW 25 Jan 1984.
Totally agree. This all falls on the Superintendent.
Yes I agree with you. At this point most of the experienced officers went back to the watch. No tact or gang teams citywide.
Retired
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