Inconsistency
A Chicago police officer who faced dismissal after testing positive for marijuana can remain on the job, the Chicago Police Board ruled in its first weed-related decision since the drug was legalized.
Chicago Police Supt. Larry Snelling had pushed to fire Chicago Police Officer Marshall Andrews Jr. for failing a random drug test in August 2021, but the board instead voted Thursday to suspend the veteran cop for 90 days.
“While the board has discharged officers from CPD in the past for using cannabis, medical and recreational use of cannabis is now permitted by Illinois state law,” the board wrote in its ruling, noting that future discipline will be assessed “on a case-by-case basis.”
The claim is he ate a brownie, though that story wasn't told during the initial investigation.
The Chicago Police Board voted unanimously on Thursday to fire a Chicago police officer who tested positive for marijuana, records show.
Officer Elmer Carrillo Jr. is the first CPD officer to be terminated for failing a test for marijuana since Illinois legalized the recreational use of the drug. Carrillo is also the first to be fired by the Police Board in nearly a year and a half amid a protracted legal battle that has frozen the city’s police disciplinary system.
A police officer since 2018, Carrillo tested positive for the drug in November 2023, records show. Injured while he was off-duty, Carrillo was on medical leave after undergoing surgery in July 2023. After suffering a “medical incident,” Carrillo reported to CPD headquarters for a fitness-for-duty examination and underwent a drug test.
This claim is he ate a marijuana gummie.
So....:
- the first guy ate a laced brownie,
- the second guy, a legally manufactured product.
- the first guy keeps his job,
- the second guy gets fired.
Both claim "unknowingly."
Consistency in discipline has never been CPD's strong suit, but Larritorious recommended firing both (and a third officer), so good for him we suppose.
But after these cases, we can't wait for the first Officer Involved Shooting to go down where the subsequent "wiz quiz" shows THC in the Officer's system - the payout is going to be MASSIVE.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
123 Comments:
The union set him up. All the past practices is garbage. The company is garbage. They hire garbage.
Oh, merry Christmas!
The police board is sympathetic toward certain officers. Surely you know that by now. I learned this from my FOP appointed attorney during my fiasco
Wonder if the city will pay out your IOD or disability claim if you get in an on duty traffic crash or say a more serious injury in a shooting after you "unknowingly" ate a pot brownie or gummy? Go ahead and try. Who's going to be the guinea pig?
As a non black officer, I would NEVER EVER EVER choose the racist police board over arbitration. Assuming “Carrilo” is mexican it was a TERRIBLE advice by the FOP lawyer to forego arbitration. These liberal board members will burn anyone unless you’re the right complexion. You think you’re getting a fair shake but the decisions are made well in advance, Snelling just plays his part attempting to appear objective. He is irrelevant. Arbitration is the only way. If we all always choose arbitration then there wont be a need for the board in 2 years time.
Sorry boys and girls, we cannot and should not have alcohol or cannabis in our systems while on the police clock. No no no no. Not safe for you. Not safe for your partner, citizens, suspects or victims. Not safe for your career.
Brown or white skin gets you fired
Thats a no brainer
The difference is being in 1st place vs
In 4th, get my drift.
“…the board wrote in its ruling, noting that future discipline will be assessed ‘on a case-by-case basis.’”
There's the problem right there. Who's your Chinaman?
Establish a quantitative limit just like alcohol. Times have changed.
Also had a DUI and took 25 days. Based on his history, strike 3 should have been let go awhile ago.
I work midnights at a factory job. We had two guys show up on the same night reeking of Marijuana. the company has a nurse on call, she came down, tested them both and as expected, they both came up positive. Eventually both got fired for job performance problems, but they got off the hook because MJ is legal in IL, and the company couldn't prove when the product was ingested.
I don't care what people do in private, but MJ use at the workplace is far too socially acceptable, and that's dangerous for everyone.
2 things missing from original article. Elmer had a previous dui and he also came up with some ridiculous story that didnt match the test. Wonder if they analyze a specific thc level for each, like BAC?
I believe Officer #2 had a significant disciplinary record related to DUI. That may have justified the firing.
Chosen sacrificial lamb.
Chalkie don't toke.
Chalkie do smoke.
And joke.
Chalkie
Killer weed.
Cannabis is legal in Illinois. Time for the department to change and accept that cannabis is legal. There is nothing wrong with the use of cannabis. Just don’t use it while working the same as alcohol. The liquor industry is actually feeling the effects as liquor sales are way down nationally. It’s legal in 28 states and most other countries.
Marshall Andrews Sr. was a Roseland funeral director and sergeant in Area One back in the 1980's -1990's. Could that explain anything?
So I can no longer drink beer while answering calls for service? Pssshhh … what happened to this job ?
If you allow o e officer. Suspension and fire the other it opens the city for a lawsuit. As usual they do whatever they want with lawsuits to follow. This screwed up state legalized cannabis rules have to change. No cannabis while on duty. If a test cannot actually determine when Cannabis was ingested that’s too bad. Maybe they should have thought of that before legalization. They already allowed one to stay on the job. Precedent set period.
Nobody can top the Booger sugar on the cooter story which is how this high ranking boss explained the substance ended up in his system. He kept his job.
Does the CPD test impaired drivers for Marijuana in their system if they are arrested for DUI? Be interesting to see how the insurance companies would handle this in the case of a wreck?
so what if cannabis is legal? has nothing to do with it.
The Federal government changed marijuana to schedule 3 from schedule 1 so it's cool now, right?
Nice play on words, I see what you did there.
It’s already happened with a positive test result in an OIS
Officer 2 didn't learn his lesson from his past booze BS
On my job too many people are smoking weed throughout the day, then operating machinery like forklifts, scissorlifts, bucket lifts. Nothing is done about it, & sadly it will take a massive wrongful death lawsuit to change that.
Want to become a multi-millionaire? Invent a drug test which can tell WHEN marijuana was ingested - none of this “I’m not high now, I smoked a joint last weekend” b.s.
The purchases for LEO DUI kits alone would be a fortune!
Why does it always gotta be about race??? U know u shouldn’t do it so don’t and don’t be anywhere around it. Then there won’t be an accidental mix up. The people around u need to respect that also and if they don’t than don’t be around them
Call the markham police chief, he can help !! 🤣
Do I smell racial lawsuit smoke on the horizon? People are fighting back against dei based anything.
No pot of any kind otj. Actuall, it should be banned from walking around whilst lit. No one outside should be subject to 2nd hand highs.
Merry and blessed Christmas. May everyone experience a quiet shift. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hell if you're a certain race you can do a drive by shooting on an autistic child, not get charged with a crime, and still have your job. White privilege my ass.
This police board is legit and completely transparent.
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Sgt. Khalil Muhammad
Much like every entity in the City
He wasn’t on duty. He was on IOD medical
DO yourself a favor. If youre still young. Go test in a warm climate. Florida Cops are still the real Police.
Nonsense
Every city worker can use cannabis except police and fire.
They hid a connected female FTO who tested positive for cannabis. And boom. She was able to retire with full credentials. But she was connected to Ricchio
A friend worked at a nuclear power station and had to take a "video game" test befor entering the work area, to show he was not impaired.
I'm okay with the no THC in your system rule. We make decisions quickly sometimes, and THC is known to slow reaction time by a lot. That's why driving under its influence is illegal.
Can you imagine FTARH Spicoli showing up for work? Hey Bud...sorry I'm late for roll call. I had this massive urge on the way to work for a whopper and fries. Hear that? (knock-knock) that's my skull! I'm so wasted!
See the problem here?
DUI or not, they are separate incidents. DUI is a 30 day suspension
I see everyone fired for cannabis getting together in a class action lawsuit. There has to be some standards. What is with this case-by-case bullshit?
Fire pot head.
The tests for MJ aren't that accurate. They only detect the presence. It's absurd to believe that someone who reeks of marijuana can get away with saying they ingested it two days prior, but in IL, that's how one can beat the system.
The job should treat weed just like booze. Shiiittt! I ask the question: how many times have you handled a fatal crash that was due to the driver being high from weed? 30 otj and not one, not one damn time, have I handled, or am aware of, a fatal crash due to the driver being high on weed. As a matter of fact, I believe it would reduce medical time used, reduce the divorce rate, and really reduce the rate of alcoholism in the dept. Those of us that served in the military (Marines) have heard this before "Ya got 'em. smoke 'em". Retiring soon and will do just that. Merry Christmas, Stay Safe, God Bless.
The difference is-
I drink 2 days ago, the alcohol is out of my system.
I smoke 2 days ago, the THC os still in my system but Im not even close to being high.
What does 2nd place get me?
Times may have changed, but until the Feds make it legal, we’re kinda screwed.
Rule #1:
Obey all laws, FEDERAL, State and Local.
That’ll get ya fired.
Filling out an exposure report the next day after you realized you were high and how it happened would’ve been a proactive approach to not looking like you’re on bullshit.
Totality of the circumstances. One officer has a horrible discipline record and got fired. One officer didn't and got a strike on his. Crazy how some you postera cry about people race-baiting but does the same thing when it thinks it benefits your arguments.
Marijuana is still illegal under Federal law, regardless of Trump's E.O. which reduced it to a Schedule 3 substance. Illinois fake legalization was and still is illegal, contrary to Federal law, and both cops should have been fired for that reason alone. But CPD, et al. can't even get that right. Taxpayers on the hook again for the inevitable lawsuit and settlement.
that was clever !!!
Either fire everyone or don't fire anyone for weed. This guy can stay this one gets fired what a bunch of bullshit
reefer madness teeeeeee heeeeee
Where are they hiding him now?
Knowingly or unknowingly? Gummi v brownie
“ future discipline will be assessed “on a case-by-case basis.”
So in other words if you have no phone call or backing of a reverend you are fooked.
Because if you are in 1st place, smoking weed is akin to smoking cigarettes.
Justice is no longer blind, identity politics and a corrupt justice system will be the downfall of this country.
so, the board decides that an officer of one race is allowed to have a drug in his/her system and then an officer of another race is not allowed to have that same drug in their system? ok, got it
Great. Now we are going to have a bunch of Cheech and Chong types riding around is squad cars and carrying firearms. Led Zeppelin!
Exactly. wtf does that even mean? Is it against policy or not? Sue!
Not true! You wanna go there with horrible discipline records? Lmao. You naive idiot who still doesn’t get it. Talk about benefitting your argument!
Wow. There you go.
12:40:02 Totality of the circumstances poster lives under a rock
No debate here. Merry Christmas and a Healthy and Happy New year to SCC and to the brothers and sisters of the CPD. May the Lord protect you in your daily endeavors.
But you can test positive for THC a month after taking it, even though you're not under its influence.
Because race plays a huge part in the decision making process. Are you a color blind libersl?
The problem is marijuana stays in your system for weeks, i.e., you would test positive at the crash above even if you'd last ingested MJ, say, 10 days prior. Test result does not reflect impairment, simply history of usage.
See the 12/24/2025 08:47:54 AM post above. Accurate testing for DUI or workplace incidents would be a goldmine, especially given how common legal use is across the USA now.
Yeah, except you have to live in... Florida. Roach-infested sauna with unaffordable home insurance & annual hurricane evacuations.
Make it legal to smoke up!! Puff, puff, pass, puff, puff, pass
Second guy had a DUI that he had already taken time for. 7 years on one DUI then later pissed hot. I feel no sympathy for him. Good riddance.
Stop it. I’ve handled quite a few crashes with weed as the choice Of merriment. You are not handling crashes because quite a few are high on weed. Also enjoy retirement you pothead. Please move out of Illinois because we’re gonna be cleaning everything up.
America
No, being a dumbass gets you fired
Or you can kill a guy by knocking him out while intoxicated downtown and get away with it because you’re a white guy and related to Daley.
Dam, I cant smoke Mj while I working as a UC in Narcs
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He was also a Commander… so he had that going for him.
Motor truck drivers can't due to CDL
Chalkie is a STROKE!
I do love me some herb, retirement will be a smoke all night affair.
Bravo good man. I would tell people all the time, a drunk is much harder to deal with than a dude stoned. Loved dealing with the high MFers in Rockwell gardens instead of the drunk aholes!
Arbitration isn’t much better. Everything is stacked in the company’s (CPD) favor. The problem is most learn this to late.
Had a robbery suspect in custody. He Had a lame hand. His prior job was a punch press operator. No workman’s comp paid out bc guess what they do when you have a work accident?. They make you take a drug test. The thing about the city though- is they aren’t really concerned about that. They just like to figure out ways to thin the herd. Notice how they always seem to test you after furlo, an extended medical or right b4 retirement? If they cared about use on the job, you wouldn’t see the above pattern of tests as much as you do. Who really cares if you smoked on your furlo or on medical? It’s the guys or girls smoking while working you should worry about.
It means they do what ever the fits their political agenda.
Last I heard equipment and Supply.
Booze is out of your system in about 8hrs.
THC stays there for 30-60 days. The metabolite stays there doesn’t mean you’re high or impaired.
It should be case by case.
This is why everyone needs to switch to shrooms.
Undetectable.
The EO from Trump was only to expedite the change in the law so it’s still schedule 1 for now. That being said, once it’s schedule 3, how can the department prevent use with a prescription? It’s no different than Tylenol 3 at that point. Hell, Vicodin is used like candy by many of the enforcers. Can’t tell me my doctors don’t know how best to treat my ailments.
Yea enjoy the trailer trash verbal domestics and then a million follow up’s after it with a 10 page report for each follow up . All while making 48k after 20 years
Something about arbitrary and capricious enforcement attracting court intervention...
This was probably one of the best comments I’ve read on this thing!!
100!!!!
Lets say this...Would you get on an airplane with the pilot and co-pilot high???
Everyone should already know that. Being 1st is akin to not being accountable for your actions. The other numbers need to go to arbitration. Not doing so is playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver.
Don't forget COPA only gave that M/1 a 30 day suspension. The Superintendent tripled it to 90 days (must be nice to be Farrakan's bodyguard). Meanwhile a certain officer who is not a M/1 (ES) has been in no pay status for years after a completely justified shooting. The Superintendent correctly handed out a 5 day suspension for late body camera activation. COPA being completely a political tool of the Dems moved to fire him. The Police would have fired him for sure. The system is a complete joke. The Illinois State Supreme Court won't rectify the situation. They are just the highest step on the ladder completely controlled by the Dems.
Spicolli said:
"I'm so wasted!!"
As opposed to the drunk types riding around in squads and carrying?
I Approve this message 💯
Yup!!💯 It’s not based on race.. it’s who you know & Good vs Evil… 😉
Retired here...I can smoke as much MJ as I want to. Thing is, I don't want to...
Or just dont be a drug addict
Hold your horses everyone, there’s a case pending with a M/2 officer. Similar story to the officer that was spared as mentioned in the article. We will see how the board rules soon.
Knock knock...Is Dave home?
Re-read the first sentence. Duh....
It worked in Soul Plane.
It entirely depends on the frequently of your use. I’ve been told if you rarely use it, and end up ingesting it by whatever means you choose…it’s not in your system longer than a week via urine. Enjoy furlough!
Actually, your doctors would be a quack if they prescribed weed. Have some self respect, stay sober!
I agree no one should be high at work, but when you smoke the weed you're high for the next 4 hours. The metabolites stay detectable in your blood and urine for a while depending upon how often you smoke. But YOU'RE NOT high at that point.
If you eat a brownie or whatever, you're high once your body digests it and the THC enters your bloodstream, whereupon it starts getting metabolized. You might be high a while longer than 4 hours in total because it takes longer to pass through your intestines and get absorbed.
Figure out a test to determine if someone's baked at work - if they are, by all means, fire them. Otherwise leave them alone because we've been playing this useless game for 60 years or so already and it hasn't stopped anyone from smoking weed...
Don't smoke in public, don't drive stoned, don't carry a firearm stoned, don't operate tools or heavy machinery stoned...
Yes! If you are retired and have IROC you still have to follow federal law and when purchasing a firearm. It may be "legal' in Illinois but you have to show your ID to buy weed. Don't think for for a minute that the state of Illinois wont roll over to the Feds and give up retired Officers names who purchased cannabis. They only protect criminals and Illegal Aliens.
Dave’s not here man.
KM is at equipment and supply. He never went to the Police Board. He accepted his suspension. This one you can't blame on the board. Neither COPA or EJ moved to fire him. Quickly swept under the rug, the CPD way for the connected.
Boring. Life is so much better having a knowledgeable working relationship with alchemy and pharmacy.
Connected? That's one way to put it. Yeah, connected like two dogs in the alley
Uh, 2nd place will definitely get you separated.
I remember Marshall, midnight Sgt.
Remember when we pinched his old lady with his gun on her copping weed when I was in 189.
"Or you can kill a guy by knocking him out while intoxicated downtown and get away with it because you’re a white guy and related to Daley.
12/24/2025 09:41:47 PM"
Uh, white guys in a drunken fist fight, none of which were the Police. Comparing apples to oranges again, Corky.
Don’t be a “drug addict” but go ahead a be a raging alcoholic like everyone else.
Since Nixon the “war on drugs” has been a sham and it’s clear older generations still swallow that propaganda. Why use something that has more benefits than risks when you can keep the pharmaceutical industry thriving and the politicians that benefit from it rich? It’s high time cannabis was federally made legal. It’s no more dangerous than alcohol and I see that ruin cops lives every year. No one bats an eye when it comes to bellying up at the bar and getting shitfaced, or the culture of drinking and policing. Mention cannabis and people lose their minds.
Sounds similar to that Sgt from 017 who met the woman after a call and decided go drink with her. Only to have her take his weapon that was lying on the floor and shoot herself in the head. I think he was serving his suspension time and they came back and ended up firing him. Think that was Sgt Steve Lesner who was a merit pick by that POS Sam Christian. Either way again if you're connected than you can do basically anything to anyone and possibly get away with it, up to and including shooting a missing autistic kid.
"This one you can't blame on the board. Neither COPA or EJ moved to fire him."----then KM should have been charged with Civil Rights violations like Cozzi
not true. I know a SGT that was fired for his first weed test. He did not have a bad record.
"Don’t be a “drug addict” but go ahead a be a raging alcoholic like everyone else". Yep, that's the plan Stan. Don't think a couple drinks qualify as raging alcoholic.
Trump just rescheduled the federal classification of cannabis. The government will not relent until every man, woman, and child is consuming pot. Soon the television commercials will premier.
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