Friday, August 07, 2020

Fingerprints?

  • A Chicago man was left scratching his head last month when the police department refused to dispatch technicians to collect evidence after someone stole a gun from his car in Uptown.

    “I was MFing myself for forgetting weapon” was in the car, the man told us. “Not an excuse, but I walked into [a family health] episode and forgot to retrieve the weapon from the vehicle.”

    But the situation went from MF to WTF when responding officers told him that CPD was refusing to send an evidence technician to process a “perfect set of prints” on the SUV’s window.

    A CPD spokesperson confirmed that officers responded to the call, and an evidence technician supervisor was notified of the crime. The police report does not indicate why the sergeant declined to dispatch someone to collect the prints.
Here's a dirty secret that not many people outside of the Department seem to know about:
  •  95 times out of 100, an ET will not come out unless there is someone in custody
You would think that was counter-intuitive - you need evidence to convict someone of a crime, right? But that isn't how the Department works any more. There's no money to process prints for mere property crimes like burglary, thefts, many robberies. Unless you're raped, shot or deceased, you shouldn't ever count on an ET being dispatched.

We call Citywide all the time for ET's so victims feel like we're doing something. It almost never works, and we put the beat number of the refusing ET sergeant in every report. This also is an explanation for the miserable clearance rates (and conviction rates, too).

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93 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The poor taxpayers.

Thinking when something happens, the government will help them.

Sorry, you voted DemocRAT.

We been defunded.

8/07/2020 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let it be a cop to lose a gun— I get you every COPA, Brown-hole, Antifa, CTU, and a bunch of other scum bags will be there to roll him up under a bus.

This works crazy is this shit filled hole

8/07/2020 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha et won't come out if there is someone in custody.

8/07/2020 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crimesha won't prosecute. Dart and Evans wont keep them in custody. Why bother the ETs? We now have a lawless society and Chicago is a failed state.

8/07/2020 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This City doesn't give two shits about property crime! As far as Groot is concerned you can make a claim with your insurance!

8/07/2020 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Out with the Science, in with the Social Wokers.
Warm & Fuzzy over hard facts.

8/07/2020 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once upon a time ET’s would come out, but heck, their numbers are dwindling and they are scrambling to get from one shooting to the next. The paperwork that has to be done with crime scene evidence is astounding. It isnt like tv. Fingerprints are dusted, photographed, lifted, inventoried and each photo is logged. And that is just for fingerprints...other evidence is photographed, bagged, inventoried and those photos are logged, too. Each scene is photographed and logged. So if an ET spends an hour on your scene, there is probably another 2 hrs of work to do. Once upon a time burglaries would wait 5 days for an ET. Now its just easier to not show up.

8/07/2020 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's laziness. When the et's do respond they come up with every excuse under the moon why they won't process/recover/inventory an Item.

America

8/07/2020 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the juice is relation to fingerprint evidence:
Property crimes (burglary) are handled by our Latent print unit while crimes against a person (Agg batt, homicide) are handled by ISP with the exception being anything involving an actual firearm recovered which is handled by us. Robberies are usually handled by ISP while Vehicular hijackings are handled by our unit. All cases are given prorities based on seriousness of the offense. Those lesser crimes like theft (from a vehicle) would be handled by our unit. ISP is a crap-shoot meaning the time it takes shit to come back varies GREATLY. Our latent unit is more predictable. The problem is there are only about six latent fingerprint examiners to analyze the tens of thousands of fingerprints recovered which results in a backlog. The average burglary without an offender in custody takes 1-2 years to come back. Robberies are about 7 months. No, that's not a typo. How long do you think it would take for a theft to be processed? Pretty close to the statute of limitations.

8/07/2020 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...you need evidence to convict someone of a crime, right?"


Too many Black and Brown people in jail. Do you really think they want to convict anyone, should the "prosecutor" actually charge someone?


Not anymore.


rb

8/07/2020 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had a ton of those awkward talks with victims where I had to explain that collecting fingerprints is only done in Hollywood movies. The city will work you to your death.

8/07/2020 12:46:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Why would you incur the extra expense?
I mean there are plenty of other contestants in the Chicago Version of cops and robbers - catch and release derby

8/07/2020 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or this could happen . . . Cops stop a convicted felon for probable cause. Cops find loaded gun on said felon but somehow not captured on body camera. Cops inventory gun to be printed and tested, NOT DONE. Liberal jury hands the convicted felon the win at the criminal trial. Convicted felon sues department and cops civilly for big bucks stating cops planted the gun on him. True story. “Save a penny, lose a dollar” as the saying goes.

8/07/2020 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forensics barely has the manpower to process the endless stream of murders and shootings. Fingerprints from a theft from auto, even if a gun was taken, is way at the bottom of the list. Forensics is 26+ ET’s short, but is bursting at the seams with inside spots. Clearly being run by someone way out of his league and abilities. For some unknown reason it has been left to it’s demise. It will take a real big screw up to shake things up, but eventually it will happen.

8/07/2020 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And why process evidence when the states attorney doesn't prosecute. Hail Soros.

8/07/2020 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read the article and give me a break, even if an ET recovered prints and 6 months later an AFIS hit on an Offender happened, there would be no “nailing the offender”. No one would ever be charged and the gun would never have been recovered. Stop with the pandering.

8/07/2020 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking as an e.t, I can tell you the ghetto b.s drains our resources on a daily basis. We may have on average if we're lucky, maybe 8 e.t's working every watch. Now if there's a homicide or just a simple shooting there goes at least 2 e.t's for that, and if there's multiple shootings that happen on just one watch, you'll be lucky if theres any e.t's available at all. Im not sure of the reason why an e.t was refused for this particular call, but that may or may not be a possibility. Unfortunately ghetto shootings take priority above all else and it sure as shit doesn't help that were down approx. 20 e.t's as it is. So stop with the hate.

8/07/2020 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tried to get an ET for an agg discharge last month. Had gun, offender, shot shooter, video.
They wouldn't come out.

8/07/2020 02:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well maybe a useless District Commander should get on the radio and order an ET to show up.

8/07/2020 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well it matters where the fingerprints are. On the inside or outside of the window? If they are on the outside they would be tossed out in court, so why bother.

8/07/2020 03:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It worked better when the et's were assigned to the districts.

8/07/2020 03:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This story just fills me with so much desire to Visit the Windy City.

Does anyone in Chicago ever actually do their job?

Well, besides the drug dealers and bangers? They seem to really active and willing to step up.

8/07/2020 04:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago where the teachers don't teach,
The prosecutors don't Prosecute.
And the Evidence collection techs don't collect evidence.

No wonder Chicago is circling the freaking drain!

8/07/2020 04:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same reason rape kits are not being processed, the DNA would be on file and an arrest would have to be made. But charges would be dropped dropped and rapist would be freed to ply his trade. The Chicago Foxx Way.

8/07/2020 05:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

8/07/2020 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like somebody needs to learn how to FOIA da mayor to get exact numbers for ET's.

I bet nobody keeps track of refusal to actually work from a LOWLY ET sgt in an abandoned police station.

Stopped caring nearly ten years ago.

8/07/2020 06:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds like the beat cop is the only one doing their job or trying to but in Chicago nothing can be counted on.

8/07/2020 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not forget the constant video teams that have to be sent to the protests so you can deduct 2 ET's for that from your 8

8/07/2020 07:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm 58. Retired CFD. Sometimes, after reading an article or watching a video or hearing a "news" story on the radio, I can only look to the sky and shake my head slowly from side to side. Like now...Then I have a vision of myself as a 3rd or 4th grade student, standing behind my desk with the rest of my class reciting the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. A lifetime ago.

My GOD how times have changed. In one lifetime we have seen it all destroyed.

8/07/2020 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did an ET show up for the CPD officer shooting of an unarmed Hispanic man at the CTA?
That case is hidden by the ASA Office

8/07/2020 07:22:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

We had a pretty good E.T. on our watch years ago. It was a good system.

8/07/2020 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe instead of going to squad policing, which we all know, already failed numerous times before, Downtown Brown could actually do something useful and promote more ETs.

8/07/2020 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM

You are a moron. Last I looked we don’t have a x-ray machine in the Explorer.
You turd.

8/07/2020 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe if the ghetto non taxpaying assholes werent using up all the ETs for all the shootings, which they never point out the offender and dint see nufin the ETs would be available for taxpayers, but as always , shitheads getting all the police resources, manpower,etc, and then bitch and moan and shriek defund da poleeces. Fucking useless ungrateful savages.

8/07/2020 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It worked better when the et's were assigned to the districts.

8/07/2020 03:54:00 AM

Evidently you don’t have any time on the job, that was tried and failed miserably also. Move on, the real answer Sensei is “look inside” “look behind EVERY door, bring the Unit rosters.

8/07/2020 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why waste all the ETs on ghetto bullshit and murders. Just take some pics, collect the casings and call it a day, should be 30 minutes tops. They dont give a fuck, they hate you, they wont help you. Its never going to court. Fuck em.

Its like ISP closing down the Ryan at 6am because Dude Inc was shooting at another gang punkass bitch. Walk arm in arm in a straight line looking for "evidence". Got news for you, aint no evidence after cars whizzing by at 80 mph for 15-30 minutes after you get there. They dont cooperate anyway, taxpayers stuck waiting on this bullshit during rush hour for 2-3 hours. Why do they do that, they will say, its what we always did and it looks good. Idiots.

8/07/2020 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, before BLM fully defunds the police, Mayor Lori Lightfoot is defunding the Evidence collection unit, just to get a head start?

Gee, one would almost think the leadership of Chicago does not want to arrest bad guys? Who would not want a perfect set of prints for a newly stolen gun?

8/07/2020 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get over yourselves there are not enough ET’s. That finger print or hand print was probably the victims print and if it was on the exterior side of the vehicle it proves nothing. I will say the Forensic unit is in dire need of a Command change that is the real problem.

8/07/2020 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s simple, hire more evidence techs

8/07/2020 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The average burglary without an offender in custody takes 1-2 years to come back. Robberies are about 7 months. No, that's not a typo.

Did I just read that correctly. Why would anyone not just kill their rival gang banger. ZERO chance of being caught.

8/07/2020 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's because cpd is a garbage department (100% the fault of command staff) run by incompetent fools. DO YOUR JOB- send out ETs.

8/07/2020 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This fellow will get jammed up when his firearm is used in a murder or other shooting. He will be busted for “failure to report a stolen firearm”. Or, did someone at least take a report?

8/07/2020 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would really like to see some of the high priced over-over weight democratic beef do something about the BULLSHIT allowed to get worse by the day! These P O S lazyslators can give themselves a raise, steal ever nickel, do nothing of necessity, but god forbid they actually solve A PROBLEM within the wasteland they created I’LL ANNOY!!! Total organized crime state!!!

8/07/2020 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago every district had an ET. They would show up at almost every job when they were requested and took care of everything. It worked pretty good when you knew the ET and assisted him on the crime scene. Then some goof decided to centralize them and it started getting all fucked up, now look at it !

8/07/2020 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone in Chicago ever actually do their job?

Well, besides the drug dealers and bangers? They seem to really active and willing to step up.

8/07/2020 04:33:00 AM

This has been going on in large urban police departments for a decade or more. Many crimes are just not investigated anymore. Burglary under $5000, auto theft, shoplifting, thefts etc. The thought is that there is a low arrest rate, low conviction rate and no punishment by the courts to let the insurance companies figure it out. If this gun thief was arrested, and against all odds actually convicted, what do you think would be the outcome in the world of Foxx and Evans? At best, probation even if his arrest record is in the multiple pages. So, why bother?

8/07/2020 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 8/07/2020 12:28:00 AM, what is the answer?

8/07/2020 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pilot Episodes of Chicago CSI never made the cut. ISP CSI back logged, Cook CSI ha ha...Lane Bryant 10 am mass murder with a survivor 12 years unsolved, still looking for a black male suspect with 40 cal Glock?

8/07/2020 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or this could happen . . . Cops stop a convicted felon for probable cause. Cops find loaded gun on said felon but somehow not captured on body camera. Cops inventory gun to be printed and tested, NOT DONE. Liberal jury hands the convicted felon the win at the criminal trial. Convicted felon sues department and cops civilly for big bucks stating cops planted the gun on him. True story. “Save a penny, lose a dollar” as the saying goes.


Shame on you, or who you're referring to, for stopping the shit bird. Protect your fellow officers, your family, your neighborhood, that's it. How many time does this have to be said over and over and over and over on this blog?????? There's no fixing fucking stupid.

8/07/2020 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you want vigilantism? Because this is yet another cog in the machine that gives it to you. And once you start that off running, it's damn hard to turn off.

Guy ought to sue the City for this idiocy. Gun gets stolen, so he reports it - they have a GREAT lead on who did it, but they refuse to collect the evidence. So the stolen firearm is out and about being used by who knows who for what. And then when the 'what' turns into someone getting shot, they'll suddenly trace it, wring their hands, and complain about the gun running trade...

Fucking Democrats.

8/07/2020 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Cmdr Joe still there?

8/07/2020 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once had a bona fide rape. Called the detectives and was told it was a Friday night and they won’t be coming out for it. Then called the ET’s and they said they would not come and collect her pants with the offenders cum on them because the detectives weren’t coming out. We had to inventory the pants in a paper bag and then bring it to Homan. This was 5 years ago and it still doesn’t sit right.

8/07/2020 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 80’s an ET would process the scene of small residential burglary , gun from auto of course , crimes would be charged with burglary .
It could be a Merit Sergeant , a former ET or someone that passed a test would definitely send an ET . That’s a 10 minute crime scene .
Where is the news media ? Victim should make a complaint on sergeant . This is why cod hasn’t given an ET Test because incompetent Sergeants are refusing service .
Merit does not work , ET sergeant and current command staff are proof .

8/07/2020 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brown , give an evidence technician test already . IFIS can scan thousands of prints a minute and get a comparison of partial prints from a crime scene .

8/07/2020 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger BumperMorgan said...

Ever since we decommissioned our own crime lab things started going down the toilet. Chicago needs its own crime lab.

8/07/2020 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

truth is even if it is a good print it's not enough to charge - it's on the outside of the vehicle


but I get the point - 2nd largest police Dept. in the nation and they can't staff the ET's properly

8/07/2020 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM

I don't believe you. I can't see why Dets won;t come out

8/07/2020 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a print on the outside of a car is not even enough for an arrest

8/07/2020 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM

Now that's just fuckin disgusting! Babies, kids, the elderly and animals are usually helpless individuals (even if they are assholes at times) and should be afforded protection and prosecution such

8/07/2020 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 80’s an ET would process the scene of small residential burglary , gun from auto of course , crimes would be charged with burglary .
It could be a Merit Sergeant , a former ET or someone that passed a test would definitely send an ET . That’s a 10 minute crime scene .
Where is the news media ? Victim should make a complaint on sergeant . This is why cod hasn’t given an ET Test because incompetent Sergeants are refusing service .
Merit does not work , ET sergeant and current command staff are proof .

8/07/2020 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Or this could happen . . . Cops stop a convicted felon for probable cause. Cops find loaded gun on said felon but somehow not captured on body camera. Cops inventory gun to be printed and tested, NOT DONE. Liberal jury hands the convicted felon the win at the criminal trial. Convicted felon sues department and cops civilly for big bucks stating cops planted the gun on him. True story. “Save a penny, lose a dollar” as the saying goes.

8/07/2020 12:54:00 AM

When was the last time somebody got an AFIS hit on a gun? You're more likely to get a CODIS hit but that can take a very, very long time and is only used for major violent crimes. And to try to jam up coppers.

8/07/2020 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can purchase your own "Detective Kit" from the back of an Archie Comic Book for $9.99. It includes fingerprint dust and a magnifying glass. Who needs an ET?

8/07/2020 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger Crusty Ol' Timer said...

The State will not charge prints on the outside of a vehicle window. You cannot prove he went inside the vehicle.

8/07/2020 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two words and only two words..the Patronage Hack Jos. Murphy. The unit has been destroyed by the 19 th and 13 th Ward Patronage Hacks. Newly promoted ets and F/Is who have never worked the street doing inside jobs that light duty officers or civilians could do

Surrounded by his female horde and Fat Herbie..

8/07/2020 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There’s only so many places to hide anything in a vehicle, whether a garage door opener or a can of Pringles. Unemployed covid spreading fuckers mope around all day and night jiggling doors or stand around for hours watching for parked drivers fiddle around, leaning awkwardly to stuff they’shit under, behind or inside somewhere.

Still bugs meI know of many still doing the same, advertise, leaving it in the car and go the gym (not lately) because the lockers weren’t safe. It’s just a bad, lazy habit to leave anything of extreme value in a vehicle.
No automatic ET anymore, what, probably about 10 + years now, part of that “police acted stupidly” and social justice incarceration reforming bullshit. The few ET’s we have are saved for more important stuff that the CookCo States Atty can blow off or downgrade. Don’t be bringing that shit up in here, flooding our crim’nal justice system by putting cases on the community.
Plus, it lowers Index crime stats.

Positive hit on those prints probably came and went by now, in only a matter of hours.
Investigative alert...yeah right.
CAPS Community alert... be on the look out for a person who may have leaned on a vehicle that may or may not have contained a weapon.

Your honor... yes - these are my clients fingerprints on that window, being diagnosed with a long history of respiratory challenges, unable to engage in any form of employment, was having a medical episode after narrowing escaping a horrendous criminal encounter in these difficult times due to communities desperate to overcome racial and social injustices, merely and without malice, braced himself upon the plaintiffs auto-voiture.

8/07/2020 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, there is no there is no first watch for the Arson Unit anymore. So if your stuff gets burned between 2300-0700 no one is coming out. The
ET’s won’t collect arson related items and the Areas won’t come out on it. We’ve been told to just leave the evidence there.

8/07/2020 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got prints back on a car theft 3 months after the statute of limitations. Complete waste of time and resourses so why bother?

8/07/2020 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Head Detective Says:

Yeah , Kiss your Taxpayer Dollars, and your Police Service Goodbye, you Dimwitted Chicago Chumbalones. You repeatedly vote for this shit, now you got it, so shut the fuck up and quit your bitching. And cough up more of your money for these scam-artist Democrat Politicians who run Chicago, Crook County, and the State. Do not complain, you are just a peasant now, your voice does not matter.

8/07/2020 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The “perfect set of fingerprints” probably belong to the “victim” or one of his family members or any of the other thousand people who could have touched his car. He’s a moron for leaving a firearm in an unlocked car. We aren’t going to collect elimination prints from every person in his family to submit them with the lifts.

I love when people who think they know an ET’s job comment on this blog. They have no clue about the science or the process. Why don’t you try trusting your partners for once? If we’re not coming out, it’s for good reason. It sure as fuck doesn’t matter to me whether I come out. It’s no more or less work. I’m paid for a full day and I give one. I’m not being dispatched to domestics or crashes or anything else. If I don’t come out, there’s rationale behind that decision. You might not understand it. The public doesn’t understand it and sure doesn’t like it. You can both watch less CSI and try trusting us.

8/07/2020 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prints on the outside of a car means nothing to Ccsa office without video of a suspect committing the illegal act. You got nothing kid. Concealed carry incidents like this are sure making it easier to find a pistol for the bad guys.

8/07/2020 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person who wrote "some how not caught on body camera" I say, well then do your job and turn the damn thing on. I've been on the job 30 years, made literally thousands of arrests and conducted thousands of investigations as a dick. If you don't turn on your camera then dude walks, as simple as that. So, turn on the camera and no problem. Oh, did I say, "turn on the damn camera"?

8/07/2020 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have the FBI come out for gun related fingerprints they would be processed correctly and an identification would take hours instead of months.

8/07/2020 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn’t there a few comments after the last ET class that after getting promoted to Et they went back and worked inside

8/07/2020 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if you're some big shot fat fucks son in law and you mane the call for special treatment? Then what? Should be enough anecdotal evidence of preferential treatment to muster a story up. Anybody remember a situation like that?

8/07/2020 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simple solution - hire more ETs, 1 per district, per watch, like the old 09 cars. Stagger their DOGs with the other ET on the zone so there is always one working per zone. Also add more Forensic Techs, put 2 on each watch in each Area for homicides and serious stuff.

Or-
Train RBT Detectives to handle the low level property crime scene processing.

Problem solved!

8/07/2020 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city only has so many resources dedicated to investigating crimes and it needs to be used for the more serious crimes. A three or four hundred dollar property crime probably does not rise to the level of one of the most serious crimes those resources could be used to investigate.

8/07/2020 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM

Was the “identifiable” offender in-custody or we the injuries life threatening and detectives refused to send someone out? Maybe it’s a case of waiting for the victim to be treated by the doctors so they know the full extent of their injuries and they can then interview the victim and begin to build their case. I hate to break it to you, but detectives don’t arrest people immediately, even if they know who the offender is. They build cases before presenting them kid.

8/07/2020 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Forensics barely has the manpower to process the endless stream of murders and shootings. Fingerprints from a theft from auto, even if a gun was taken, is way at the bottom of the list. Forensics is 26+ ET’s short, but is bursting at the seams with inside spots. Clearly being run by someone way out of his league and abilities. For some unknown reason it has been left to it’s demise. It will take a real big screw up to shake things up, but eventually it will happen.


☝️Stop on exactly what is going on in the unit!

8/07/2020 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can pretty much expect this to continue. With the exception of a gun, people will stop reporting crime, not only property crime but also crimes against persons: battery, assaults, etc. Crime will appear to be down when it is in fact up and all the more reason to provide fewer dollars to law enforcement. People will move & businesses will close up for good with no actual data to say why. Implore any sane relative, friend or neighbor you have to continue to make police reports, no matter how pointless it seems. Do not let these evil people, like Kim Fox, Dart & Evans, win. We no longer live in the age of reason.

8/07/2020 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long, long ago, I remember ET’s assigned to the district. It seems so long ago. Gosh, think if you eliminated maybe 6 bullshit exempt salaries, you could have almost double new ET’s for the price. But, having Politically Connected Pension Drainers standing with their hands in their pockets behind the Mayor’s stooge of the day is far more important than actually doing the right thing & maybe solve another crime or two.

8/07/2020 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just trying to get the ball rolling squad

8/07/2020 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger Ret.177 said...

It was 1989 when the department decided to increase the number of ETs and assign them to the districts. They made over 300 ETs with each watch having 3 Ets but only 1 actually worked the ET 09 car per shift because they only had one camera and equipment per district. There was also a full complement of PFIs working out of 11th and State to handle the major assignments which is why the ETs were available to handle all the burglaries and other jobs. In fact for a while the Beat cars were required to request an ET for everything including garage burglaries. As usual the bosses in the districts played games with their ETs and used them however they wanted. Evidently there weren't enough ETs left to cover all the watches and districts so they decided to move what was left into ET North and ET South. This worked ok for a while until they decided that PFIs were not going to be replaced when they retired and over the course of the last 12 years no new PFIs were promoted leaving the ETs to handle all the evidence work. In 2007 there were at least 38 PFIs working all 3 watches. Now there are less than 5. You can't expect to have any ETs available for property crimes when they are busy being assigned to shootings and violent crimes. At least 2 ETs must be assigned to the scenes of violent crimes where only 1 is assigned to property crimes. If the department was concerned about solving crimes regarding evidence collection they never would have let the Crime Lab close due to attrition. It was planned and started with Sgt Hoot in charge now there is no going back to the old days.
Ret177

8/07/2020 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think no prints means no identification and no one arrested. Kim, Tommy da Dart and Tim (am I really a judge) Evans don't hafta get involved. It's a Win-win for all except the victim. Who cares about victims in Crazy Town. We got a million of them.

8/08/2020 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Numerous man hours are wasted in travel back and forth to Homan Square being the only place in the City to process evidence and complete inventories. More hours wasted transferring equipment in and out of shared vehicles. ET's should have take home cars and be assigned to areas. ET's would be able to respond from home for OT when shootings are backlogged instead of the arm twisting to come in 4 hrs early for a 14hr day which kills manpower on the watch you're assigned to. A courier should transport evidence to Forensics in the morning when inside people are actually there. The only exceptions should be police involved shootings, a child shot, or a shooting offender is in custody. The most obvious is the amount of people working inside, some in a D1 capacity of Secretary or coffee maker at a D2 pay rate. I can tell you with question, the ET's on the street work harder than most could imagine. You can't be a dog or lazy even if you wanted to. There is no I'm gonna take it easy, its my friday. Doesn't happen.

8/08/2020 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aAnonymous said...
The “perfect set of fingerprints” probably belong to the “victim” or one of his family members or any of the other thousand people who could have touched his car. He’s a moron for leaving a firearm in an unlocked car. We aren’t going to collect elimination prints from every person in his family to submit them with the lifts.

I love when people who think they know an ET’s job comment on this blog. They have no clue about the science or the process. Why don’t you try trusting your partners for once? If we’re not coming out, it’s for good reason. It sure as fuck doesn’t matter to me whether I come out. It’s no more or less work. I’m paid for a full day and I give one. I’m not being dispatched to domestics or crashes or anything else. If I don’t come out, there’s rationale behind that decision. You might not understand it. The public doesn’t understand it and sure doesn’t like it. You can both watch less CSI and try trusting us.
8/07/2020 12:05:00 PM
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Whether it's the ET, the ET SGT, lack of manpower, commander or poor communications it's a poor response. But I understand the poor leadership throughout the Dept. infects every square inch of the organization.

Brown should demystify a victim's expectation of quality police services and put out a public service messages saying, that Brown is not going to spend precious police resources on your bullshit crime Mr. Victim. You're not worth it.

8/08/2020 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like somebody needs to learn how to FOIA da mayor to get exact numbers for ET's.

I bet nobody keeps track of refusal to actually work from a LOWLY ET sgt in an abandoned police station.

Stopped caring nearly ten years ago.

8/07/2020 06:25:00 AM


Or YOU could run the title code and determine how many et's there are, but you "stopped caring," so never mind.

8/08/2020 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Cmdr Joe still there?

8/07/2020 09:04:00 AM

Curtin? No he's dead

8/08/2020 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 80’s an ET would process the scene of small residential burglary , gun from auto of course , crimes would be charged with burglary .

That's 40 YEARS AGO. A lot of things have changed since then, not just with CPD.

You guys gotta quit living in the past. Those days are GONE.

8/08/2020 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the 80’s an ET would process the scene of small residential burglary , gun from auto of course , crimes would be charged with burglary .

That's 40 YEARS AGO. A lot of things have changed since then, not just with CPD.

You guys gotta quit living in the past. Those days are GONE.

They are gone but we could bring them back. And also, why not give all patrol officers a simple camera and fingerprint kit? They are not that hard to use, it would look like we are trying, and , why not hire more E. It's ? I cannot think of a better way to reduce crime, unless to also hire more detective s and patrol officers. And why not? It costs, but so does crime.

8/08/2020 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot think of a better way to reduce crime, unless to also hire more detective s and patrol officers. And why not? It costs, but so does crime.

8/08/2020 08:42:00 AM


That would result in more Black and Brown people going to jail. We can't have that now, can we?


rb

8/09/2020 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most departments have their first responding officers dust for prints...

8/09/2020 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not true. The ET’s won’t come for elder abuse either. Broken bones and a identifiable offender and they, along with detectives won’t come to the hospital.

8/07/2020 03:44:00 AM

You are a moron. Last I looked we don’t have a x-ray machine in the Explorer.
You turd.

8/07/2020 07:37:00 AM

Right, because a broken bone wouldn't cause any swelling or bruising you retard.

8/09/2020 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:32 eliminate all exempt spots , only need on superintendent
hire more ET's , Detectives , create a rank of corporal to run each sector , Captains and above are not necessary , all appointed , political hacks

8/09/2020 03:29:00 PM  

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