Demote Them All
The Department is waaaaay too top heavy anyway, but Conehead is gutless:
A group of high-ranking Chicago police officials are pushing to form their own union, setting up a possible fight with Mayor Brandon Johnson’s administration.
In a letter last month to Militza Pagán, Johnson’s deputy mayor of labor relations, an attorney with the Illinois Police Benevolent & Protective Association asked the city to “voluntarily recognize” a new collective bargaining unit of police commanders and deputy chiefs. The union already represents sergeants, lieutenants and captains.
How about "No." It's defined as "Exempt" for many reasons, all of which you VOLUNTEERED for.
You took no test for your spot. In most cases, you demonstrated no actual job skills aside from who you knew or who you blew. You played the political game, you serve at the pleasure of the administration, and you get an undeserved / unearned pension bump that puts you head and shoulders above just about every other public sector retiree, not to mention the "good ol' boys" network that lands you six-figure retirement jobs ON TOP OF the unearned pension.
A source with knowledge of the unionization push said it was launched after the city curtailed how much time exempt-rank supervisors can spend on medical leave.
The issue only surfaced when two commanders were told they needed to return to work, as one remained hospitalized with a serious illness and the other was recovering from back surgery, the source said.
Okay, that's just wrong, but wholly undeserving of all of the other protections that come with unionization. If it's that big a deal, go back to your previous Patrol rank that has a Contract.
Commanders and deputy chiefs aren’t afforded other benefits that other rank-and-file cops get, including earned time off, pay for being prepared to work during off-hours and allowances for uniforms, the source said.
Lieutenants are now turning down promotions to become commanders because of the disparities — something that never used to happen, the source said.
That makes them the smart ones, and perhaps the ones that Conehead should be looking at to run Units and Districts.
Would you want to try to run a city Department with leftover deadweight who owe their spot and allegiance to previous mayors? They could spend their days undercutting the policies you ran and got elected on and you wouldn't be able to remove them because of union rules.
Screw that.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
102 Comments:
It will happen. They are following CPS principles who are the same as our exempts and CFD deputy district chiefs who are also an exempt rank. Plus it was written into the state constitution. It doesn’t recognize “exempt”.. the language in the constitution says any employee may unionize.. it may not happen tomorrow, but it will happen. There is no way around it. I love it because it will piss the mayor off like crazy.
Good. It’s a u ion town, so can’t pick and choose now can you Mr Johnson.
Speaking of merit hacks, why is the department doing now a third merit list for Sgt off of the last test. Waller gets his hand back in the cookie jar so they have to make yet another list? What a complete joke!
How about "No."
It's defined as "Exempt" for many reasons, all of which you VOLUNTEERED for. You took no test for your spot.
Sounds like the Captain rank. But they have all the union benefits too
You can join a union if every promotion was by score.
Otherwise....too bad....so sad....
Off topic....sorry....
I still buy the slum times....
Do not like the paper, but I love the puzzles. .
Lately the "News Paper" has been totally anti justice system, police in particular.
Today there was a story about a peace worker with a gun.
Problem was he was a felony, felons should not touch guns.
That's the rule.
Arne Duncan is unhappy.
Live with it Arne!
Im guessing most of these exempts thar want this are merits who have low self esteem and very low intellect.
The greatest job on this department was always the 1st watch field Lt who would go home after roll call and go to bed.
Really some of the dumbest people wear gold stars on this department. I always chuckle to myself when I walk by one. I never address them because I have no respect for them.
Lieutenants are now turning down promotions to become commanders because of the disparities — something that never used to happen, the source said
Never used to happen? It’s been going on for over a decade!
There’s numerous Lt’s and Capt’s that said “No” and didn’t sell their souls.
Some of them caved in, some got forced… Manion- looking at you!
If everything was run by Lts and Captains the dept would get busted by all the ot they would rake in, working 12-14hr days as a norm, like most Commanders and Dep Chiefs do now. There is a reason it’s structured the way it is. Not getting normal medical is absolutely ridiculous, though.
Remember the exempts stripping officers over a portal. Fuck em. If your doing the cities dirty work you're with them.
earned time off, pay for being prepared to work during off-hours and allowances for uniforms, the source said.
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With great responsibility comes great reward$.
With the bump in pay they get, F U and your crying about not getting uniform & duty availability ck's along with not earning c.u. at that rank, you should've figured out how to have sufficient time on the books. Even if you're a money hungry where (i myself am a time whore)
Wait a minute what about the security specialist who are appointed by the mayor to be on his security team what 150+ cop and they get sgt‘s pay and that is just fine except they get the sergeants Pension honored given to them because they are politically correct that nonsense also has to be stopped.
How about No! This just goes to show how unqualified and incompetent they are. They waited for election season to come up with this nonsense. E. Carter’s crew is afraid now the Waller is running the show. They are hoping to take Waller’s discretion away. Requesting union protection is a big ask from a group of individuals that couldn’t pass a promotional exam. Demote them all!
Dear Exempt,
We are aware they you are seeking union protection to safeguard a promotions that you were unqualified for in the first place. You volunteered to serve at will. You volunteered to be at the pleasure of the Superintendent. You were exempt from traditional civil service testing, rigid numerical scoring, and standard career-service eligibility. You were exempt from the usual testing and eligibility processes that ensure a fair evaluation of candidates.
You were promoted without a written OR practical promotional test. Your promotion was at the mayor’s and superintendent’s discretion.
It's important to recognize that your position was given, not earned through the traditional civil service measures that apply to others within the department. You voluntarily accepted a role that you knew was at the discretion of the Superintendent.
Given the circumstances, I propose a straightforward solution: demote each of them back to the rank of Lt. and allow them to compete fairly with their peers for future promotions. Eliminating appointed and merit positions could help restore a sense of fairness and merit in the ranks.
that dog ass eve Q spends two years on the medical after her demotion makes a miraculous recovery only to be made a cmdr again then dc never spending a day on the streets and also put in to be chief. -
It’s sad when in almost every district the Sgt’s and Lts are better qualified then the Commader.
The upper ranks are overwhelmingly filled with independents. The majority of them are lucky to have a job.
It will be an ill fated union filled with idiots.
Conehead fittin to have another meltdown. Off to the nut ward.
Serious question: If any of us here owned a business, would you hire any of the dept exempts we've had from the last 10 years to run your company? Hell, would you hire them at all? Remember how they acted during COVID...the riots...thousands of illegals housed in our lobbies? These were all tests which they failed miserably. A bunch of one-way, spineless and incompetent imbeciles.
Greedy fucks. Same thing on the CFD. Someone is picked for an exempt rank and suddenly they want MORE!!!!!!!!!!!
I honestly couldn’t name 5 good exempts on this job. Almost all are promoted based on race, sex and clout.
The USELESS deputies can join the USELESS FOP Lodge 7. Join the rest of the thieves.
Exempt members are at will employees. Regular police officers are not.
The best lieutenants I know do not want anything to do with being commanders. There’s something wrong with that. The dept is not getting the best we have, they’re getting the ones with the biggest clout and best connections. Look at the people they’re promoting. They don’t even know how to do Lt stuff before they’re whisked away and hidden for their next promotion. It’s sickening.
Count on Conehead rolling over and allowing this.
People forget - Captain used to be a testable rank back until the 1990s and they had an actual union. Then the City stopped promoting and allowed the rank to dwindle until there were maybe three left?
The City redefined the rank, redefined the qualifications and made it all ""merit." But the union still existed on paper and the new appointed rank reaped the benefits negotiated years prior. If they had gotten rid of all of the Captains, the union would have ceased to exist.
This has Colonel Carter’s influence written all over it. This comes after Carter’s puppet L. Snelling abruptl retirement and after Ursitti denied Carter’s request to promote a Lieutenant from 006 to Commander. On Snelling’s way out the door, he promoted a handful of Carter’s picks.. These individuals are understandably concerned about their future in the department under Waller and a new superintendent. Carter is concerned about losing his stronghold because he constantly reaching out for favors.
I see that exempt commanders abuse the medical. I agree that exempts can go to work, close their office door, and lay down on a couch with their tablet and cell phone and do work.
The dept has promoted the wrong people.
Only promote non medical/IOD abusers!
As a taxpayer this is concerning.
Worked for a 1st watch SGT who would drive right home after roll call and park in his garage. He would give his wife his radio and tell her to wake him up if they called his number. She was a night owl and watched Barnaby Jones reruns all night. One night he came out of his service door and an inspector was in his yard and said gotcha. The SGT said no I got you for trespassing. It ended up in the Captain's office and the inspector lost that one.
All chiefs, no Indians !!!
If that’s racist SCC, just delete my post 🤪
do away with the gold braid pensions
It will not happen. Exempt rank is considered management. They cannot unionize. It is an appointed position so they can back to their civil service rank if they want to be in a union.
you are so wrong in today's union environment in Illinois.
Oh stop your batching... you will still go out and get those proactive numbers in your strive to be "their guy" and enjoy all the advantages over others you think you will get for it.
No get off the blog and into my office so I can tell you want I "need" you to get me next.
No really. When a sworn member is promoted to " exempt" rank, they actually resign their rank. If demoted from exempt they fall back to previous rank. They are " at will" only at the exempt. But, if they end up unionized, all of that might change, as it did with captains. The Illinois constitution give a lot of leeway for this. Lets see how this plays out. This just might cause a lot of changes in the exempt rank.
I was a test score Detective and Sergeant. I was a difficult troublemaker and shit starter for over 30 years. I support the Command Staff completely in this endeavor. How many of you realize that Captains make more than Commanders just on salary alone??? Thats not including OT which Captains steal left and right. Maybe try talking to the Command Staff and ask them what they are fighting for. They want in writing that Commanders make more in salary than Captains. That seems pretty logical to me. They are not asking for OT. They are asking for the same medical benefits that every other member of CPD gets. Should Commander FA go into a no pay status because he has cancer? He was a test score LT. Had he not left that rank he would have plenty of medical time left. That seems like common sense to me. The army of do nothings on this blog would and have screamed bloody murder anytime a boss didn't care of a sick PO. The bosses have and do take care of the sick and injured the best they can. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, do nothings want to complain. How Democrat of you.
Who is telling you they are working 12-14hrs a day? The commanders and DCs themselves? Just because you need to be reachable by phone doesn’t mean you are actually working.
Fuck all those white shirts who participated in stripping officers over the covid vax mandate. Friday flag ceremonies should include "vaxx mandate".
IT WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN!!!!
well, let's see, all these so-called genius merit exempts were given the job of decreasing crime and failed,,,,, so now maybe if they have a union they will succeed? hahahaha just kidding
Put them into the FOP, that will teach them. BUt Im sure they will want a real union not some paper tiger BS frat that only looks out for themselves
Unions ARE the city problem. That said, what is it with police and searches. I think this is the third guy in recent months who was frisked but had a gun found later -- at a courthouse this time -- on him?
She was fighting for her life and won. The same way the commander of 025 is currently doing. I'm glad that she is ok now and I pray for the same for the Commander in 025. She was always an advocate for the troops.
Except here in 010. Our commander is the smartest guy in the room. Just ask him....in English only.....
Piss the mayor off?
He's gone in 3 , 2, 1 .
You know you can just buy a book of puzzles on Amazon for a few dollars, right?
Justifying buying the Sun-times because of the puzzles sounds really low-IQ
They do it for the larger pension which needs to END.
Got ya beat, I couldn’t name 3
Nobody gets forced. He had a choice. We all can say no. Don’t let him pull the “poor me” card.
Well there are some exempts that legitimately got/are sick. But, there’s other scammers that use and abuse the medical just like a lot of PO’s. They use it to get out of major events in their districts. So in those cases, when their presence absolutely should be there and they pull the bullshit medical, then yeah the city should be able to demote them.
I can’t name a single commander that was a WOL for more than a couple months. They are almost all merit Sgt’s and then merit Lts They don’t even know the job. They are so inept and clueless about how to run a watch. They somehow just keep getting promoted tho. They hide most of them at the tact Lt spot. They do absolutely nothing, are almost never at work, then wait it out till they get promoted again. All the while never actually knowing how to run a watch or taking on the responsibility of doing so. Show me any Lt that’s been a wol for years that actually knows his shit that ever gets promoted. They don’t want people like that. They want all yes men that owe someone for their merit promotions so they can control them. Never getting someone that actually speaks up and says how fucked up the dept is being run.
There is a serious disincentive to ever become a commander. It’s an enormous pay cut. Essentially a 40k raise in base salary but you lose approximately 15k in guaranteed bonuses-uniform, duty availability and supervisors quarterly. You also lose the shift differential 45 min/day of which 300 hrs can be sold back at the end of the year for approx 20k gross. So Lt to commander is a 5 k raise before an hour of OT. You’re losing a whole host of other benefits such as furloughs, medical and other days off. It’s ridiculous. Who would want it? Only those who want that gold star for all the wrong reasons.
Captains make more than commanders straight up so they almost never take it unless they need the commander rank to parlay into a job after retirement.
Of course we have bad exempts who are the result of merit cronyism, nepotism etc. the issue however is the broken system. The right people is part of it but a system that incentivizes those right people to take it is the other part.
Ctu was a big pusher of this constutional amusement.
Would they be qualified to cut my grass for $20?
There was a commander who 6 months before retiring ask to be demoted back to career service rank. He had padded his pay so his pension was packed but the health care costs were better at the career service rank.
The word "Exempt" means exempt from FLSA and overtime. Nothing more. The reason the step down before they retire is because they can then fall under their respective CBA and get the benefits.
They should be represented and at least given SOME sort of protection. The case with the medical is just an example.
NY has their Exempt represented. That will set a precedent.
You forgot to mention the envelopes
Without a doubt. Many commanders were merit detectives,sergeants and lieutenants. Mayor Brandon boneheaded Johnson issue an executive order. Starting August 15 , all exempt ranks will be paid at the rank they earned as sergeant,lieutenant. All members must resign immediately if they do not agree with this order. All will receive a $25,000 bonus after successful completion of one year in the exempt rank.the bonus can be invested in deferred compensation but will not be pensionable.
In most districts there are blue shirts more qualified than the commander and merit supervisors.
She was clueless and as a Lieutenant in 002 and 003. Her weave is always below her collar and her shoes are big, bulky and dusty.
Oh sorry, I thought the headline said Deport them all.
“Kung Fu Plumber” @SecMullinDHS is a PRO-AMNESTY disaster!
https://x.com/daddysgirl3564/status/2084749984390426736
A post about another missing gun.. 7 district , county found it
Cry harder.
Carter is concerned about his stronghold?
Wtf does that even mean?
And I ain’t saying that I disagree with you.
I’m saying what the fuck is wrong with these people.
You’re retired. You’re out.
What kind of loser pathetic person are you that you are trying to move and manipulate things on this job still??? That’s insane.
Move the fuck on.
has always been that way, they would ask for input and then claim it as their idea.
most never ran a watch but would try to tell you how to but were put in charge of a district or unit
"Lieutenants are now turning down promotions to become commanders because of the disparities — something that never used to happen"
"Disparities " have very little to do with the smart ones not taking a gold star.
ssc get rid of the district commander spot let each watch captain runs things all dc care about are themselves their idiot kids n their side pieces
So fire them all
Lt's work 3 Days a week and get OT. Why leave that and take on the responsiabilaties of a Commander who is on call and every alderman has your personal cell number. No thanks
I laugh at officers, who call officers medical abusers. Use the medical whenever you need too.
Nobody gets forced to take a promotion.
I don’t know of any Lt’s that tired down the Commanders promo. Quite a few Capt’s did and that made sense.
If we are top heavy, then lop off the top of the rank structure. These parasites have ruined so much pf this department in the name of progress. Return to common sense practice. Stop all merit selections once and for all. These people never came on the job to work and fight crime. They were politcians who came outof the academy and hid for a while to get some time OTJ. Then they put out feelers for a merit selection. Everyone knows this already.
+1
They are already members of Lodge 7 if they so choose. Seems like they are angling for a better deal. Raises will be easier for the city to swallow since their number will be a smaller bargaining unit, so they can stick it to the officers rank and file. Maybe better sheduling and work hours are on the agenda.
The simple answer should be "NO" to all Public Sector Unions. The reason being that the taxpayers are paying the salaries and essentially the Unions are "negotiating" with themselves to proffer salary, benefits, etc.
Someone who's a highly-compensated employee with oversight responsibilities for other employees? Expected to work more than 40 hr/week - usually 60 w/o OT accruing. Over 60 hr/wk? Yeah, you get OT (Fed cases on that).
But this other bullshit? Forgetaboutit. You're getting a higher salary, higher benefits, higher pension, other perks - so no union, no more extras. Do your damn job.
Ironic that the same people who plot and scheme to get around contractual rules (on behalf of the city) are now trying to get their own contract. Maybe to show everyone they are all really serious, the exempts who want to be in a union should be forced to put their names into a portal that is shared with the city…. And not speak anonymously to the media. You already sold your soul, don’t play the victim.
Get rid of all exempts already.
We laugh in 016 at our Commander. He has made a couple statements that we all look around and laugh at him. The guy has no clue what he’s doing as a Lt let alone a Commander.
Nothing against this commander, but why doesn’t he step down to his civil service rank as Lt? Wouldn’t that solve this? If he is as sick as they say, then he wouldn’t really be able to effectively lead as a cmdr anyway. Don’t take this the wrong way, I wish no ill will on him and hear he’s an awesome guy, but can’t he just step back down to Lt, have all his medical benefits and if and when he gets better they can restore him as a cmdr.
Spot on!
They deserve to get F'd big time.
This is the case for almost all the exempts the last couple years. Merit promotions, never in patrol or the WOL. BS Tac Lt spot or unit and then on to being a Gold Star. They usually send them to some bs training in Boston , Northwestern or FBI to have something for their resume. Same crew of unqualified, useless people.
SCC,
Fop 1st vice president Mette had multiple charges filed against him this morning for misappropriation of lodge funds and member dues to cover a close friend who got into an off duty DUI. The lodge doesn’t cover this and never has. But since he’s a good buddy with the alleged, he got a check for thousands of dollars.
Did they force Mannion to be a Commander? He sure acts like it.
How do you feel about all the house mice at headquarters getting the same pension as you despite spending 90% of their career behind a computer and working 4 hours a day!! Suckah
When does Carter’s 5 minutes of fame finally end? Arrogant cork soaker!
If you only knew the waste within CPD. Your tax dollars are paying for officers to run businesses on TAXPAYER time!!! Don’t believe me, check it out. Unlimited time off, department resources to create and maintain their websites. Booking travel packages on company time. All
Allowed by supervisors. Sickening
Maybe someone can get you a spot at the Puzzle Palace on 35th street.
Are these exempt turds still resigning their exempt rank to get medical benefits? If so that needs to be abolished.
Take the company car from all non-field exempts. Commanders of house mouse units don’t need take home cars. Have cars they can sign out during their work day only.
Other than IOD, they are reduced to lieutenant pay while on the medical.
With a full year of medical available.
What they are doing to the exempt command staff's medical just a preview of what's coming for the sworn medical. Most of the proposals blatantly violate thr contract, the city knows it, but they are going to do it anyways.
Instead of worrying about themselves they should worry about getting us the medical at 29 years on even if you’re not 55 years old.
Yeah so we can allow incompetent bosses stay on the job and destroy a district or unit. In 016 we have a over promoted commander who can only function on anxiety meds. He tries so hard to hide from everyone. His girlfriend always says he is busy when anyone wants to meet with him. We bankrupt the pension for incompetent members only.
Gfy
Superintendent, now Interim, 1st Deputy, Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs and Commanders
All useless! The Department is so messed up and disorganized… it’s an absolute disgrace!
add some LT’s and Sgts to the clown show…
My granddaughter is a recruit in the academy and she came home today and told me that a recruit was shot in the range !! She said the instructors were covered in blood because they applied tourniquets to him ! Why isn’t this on the news ? Was the recruit who shot the recruit going to get fired ?? Was it really an accident ???? Can someone confirm this !! How bad was it ????
Here they come Tom Dart get ready clean pajamas when they give 4AM knock penitentiary welcome you
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/doj-ice-minnesota/2026/08/05/id/1265213/
Test score promotions because you had the f#!&$? Answers?
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