Aid for New Orleans?
Not that we are trying to tell anyone how to do their jobs, nor are we looking to give the mayor and the brass anything that might lead to good publicity, but is anyone looking to send a couple of dozen coppers down to the "Big Easy" to maybe, I dunno, help restore order? We sent dozens of coppers ON CITY TIME to NYC following 9/11. This is going to turn out a bit worse in terms of property damage. The cops have NO radios, NO cars, and NO jail space to stick prisoners. Can't the mayor hustle up a few "Hired Trucks" to send south for cleanup? Maybe a couple of recently retired pool cars? The City Colleges are offering refugees the chance to "audit" classes in order to maintain their academic credentials and the police department can't afford to send some guys down to help out? Of course, one could draw the conclusion that we are so short handed and equipment bereft that we just CAN'T do it.
posted by SCC at 1:00 PM
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I think every level of government in this nation should be showing our unity by contributing whatever is appropriate. Not necessarily bodies, unless its volunteers, 'cept reservists and national guard if that decision is made.
But the hospitals in Illinois should be banding together to offer bedspace. The churches in Illinois should be soliciting boarding and employment (for those qualified).
And more than anything, we ought to be offering up Joliet prison for at least a few months. I like the new show and all, but Louisiana definitely could use the help, and we do have that empty prison and all.
I saw that some of the Texas hospitals were accepting a lot of critical-care kids, and there was a note in one of the articles that they were accepting donations to cover the costs.
But broke as Chicago is, it would be a nice, and almost obligatory, civic gesture to make some kind of significant offer.
So far though it looks like our Mayor is too busy meeting with the "city's" criminal defense attorney. Mmmm hmmm.
I see the FOP site has information posted on how to donate for the police in New Orleans. I plan on donating but wonder if there is anyway to make sure the fat-ass looting police I saw on TV don't get any of it. Sorry, but I figure they'll be the first in line and I really don't want any of my money going to the ones I saw stealing.
Chicago wouldnt be broke if it werent for millenium park and the likes of it. Send all the lazy idiots collecting welfare. At least they could help their own and give something back for a change.
Those Coppers you claim you saw looting, were getting medicine for sick children in the hotel accross the street. A reporter on WGN this morning reported being at that hotel when the Doctors begged officers to get medicine. So as always a copper doing his job is critized by his own kind. Nice. Do you work for Richie, Phil or the rev Mereks.
I wonder why Rev. Meeks has not offered to assist to house some of those poor unfortunates with temp housing, Not to focus on him personally but he has one of the largest new facilities and he is suppose to be a man of god not to mention an elected official of ill.
CPD, Bureau of Strategic Deployment, faxed a notice to all sworn Department members (02 Sept), requesting that anyone interested to assist with the hurricane relief effort to faxed their written request by Tuesday, 6 Sept. 312-745-6868 fax#
I hear requests from CPD officers to assist in New Orleans are pouring in.....
Does anyone know if the above post is legit? Will it mean we can go down there to assist the P/O's. If so, I'm there. You can't walk the walk and talk the talk like me and not take your turn. Hell, I'd even me willing to partner up with BushBoy, SCC, Sweetbabyray or maybe even Adolph. Rooming with them however, is another story.
You're right though M. The 9/11 blast was confined to a small area, there was no looting ot shooting, and we sent guys. Why not now?
Its legit, I've seen the fax . Its message #054378
I just called the Commanders office to verify this. It is true. You submit a To-From to get on the list. Minimun deployment is 3 weeks. I will post more info as it becomes available
But people had better be prepared for this. It ain't a camping trip. People with military experience are going to be much better prepared for what they will encounter, and are almost certainly the best equipped to do this. Though I doubt current members of the National Guard or Reserves can do this without affecting their own potential deployments, as I expect that numerous additional deployments will be announced.
Not trying to discourage anyone from volunteering. Its good-hearted of anyone to do so, but I'm just encouraging anyone who is considering volunteering to seriously contemplate what they are getting into.
Older wagon guys are probably among the best prepared for some of the tasks that will need to be performed.
May God bless each and every one who goes.
"...Older wagon guys are probably among the best prepared for some of the tasks that will need to be performed..."
WHAAAT? Most older wagon guys are 300 pounds or half-dead already! Remember: we're going there to SAVE people, not to end up drop-dead saviors! The old motto "if you can't eat it for free, boink it, bag it, "borrow" it, blast it, drop kick it in the face or ride around with it in the back for the entire tour in e-x-t-r-e-m-e conditions" comes to mind though. Maybe those old-timers watching Big Brother Huberman's cameras could swap a few patch bay cords and go live with "wagon tech support" for the youngster CPD warriors who will head out there... ;-)
Puhleeze. Only in Chicago would one of us say something like what follows, but:
do you want to make a bet on how many decomposing bodies there are to remove in that city?
I'm guessing 10000.
Like I said, they could use a few of our older wagon guys for some of the tasks to be performed. Any youngster CPD warrier who goes out there to get in foot chases with dime baggers is a clown. You think these generation X slackers have the stomach for this?
You probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Think (Summer 1995) times 25. When you are done puking, let me know if you unnersta what I's sayin.
If it's like New York then we'll be doing the bullshit work. Guys who are used to handling the dead will be a lot more useful down there than one rock heroes with a pumped up chest. Get over yourselves. There's nowhere to live, nowhere to house prisoners, the military is in the streets. Swallow your delusions of grandeur.
The latest fax regarding CPD volunteers said that depending on where you get sent, you could end up staying in a tent. Keep in mind that you'll be in an area, with putrid water, dealing with high heat and humidity. The possibility of contracting something like hepatitis, dysentary, thyphus, malaria (yes, malaria. Those 'skeeters love stagnant water), e-coli and any other water borne disease will be extremely high.
Then, you'll have all the bloated bodies to deal with and all the air borne pathogens that come along with them.
And let's not forget all the pets that were left behind, that will have to be destroyed because they will have started to eat the corpses to survive. I've seen that once and it ain't pretty.
So think hard about going down there. If you don't have a strong constitution, you shouldn't even think about going. Donate to Red Cross. Yes folks, this will be 100 times worse than '95.
Dear Wagon Ass,
Driving around in a beat car, eating half price meals, and letting out the notches on your two year old gun belt does not make you a "warrior". You are an idiot though.
Yea....theres nothing like our brotherhood!
I called both, Operations Command 1st Dep. Office and F.O.P. 7 on Wed.
I asked how can I volunteer to go down to the effected areas. I am currently on furlough. So wasn't even asking to use dept. time.
The 1st Dep. office ( a female P.O. Answered) when I posed the question about if Chicago is sending any officers down and how I can volunteer.
Her answer was, "Why would we send people down there" and then followed with "I haven't heard anything about us sending anyone"
F.O.P. responded with, "Check with the Grand Lodge, the FOP Grand Lodge President is from down there, maybe they know if they need anybody.
This whole mess was a cluster F*%k from the start to present.
Det. William F. Kazupski
Relax already you irritable-vowel-syndrome anony-mice! It sounds like maybe you cretins are huffing copius amounts of squadrol smelling salts or dessicant bottles! What idiots besides the rookies would actually want to wade into that swamp, genius? It's just stupid on the face of it to think an old wagon man would want to throw himself into a clusterfuck like NOLA right now.
The point about wagon man "stinker" experience is obviously understood by anyone on the job by the summer of 1995. Sure those salty pro's know all the tricks of massaging a Chef Paul Prudhomme-sized bloated corpse in to a bag and miraculously squeeze it through various tight corners and precarious stairwells safely into the wagon and over to 1121 West Harrison.
My point was merely that most of the experienced wagon men from those times have either left by retirement, taken different assignments, etc. or are simply a decade older now and regardless would be too SMART to volunteer for this dreadful work, regardless of their physical condition, family commitments. etc. Who in their right mind, after having stopped dragging dead bodies around for years and dealing with the funky smells, visuals, memories and physical strain would want to start doing it again? Especially en masse in a situtation you quite rightly point out will dwarf the amount of corpses we dragged into the refrigerated vans behind the M.E.'s office 10 years ago?
And think for a minute- how much actual specialized POLICE or MILITARY / "Peace-Keeping" skill does it take to drag a body like cordwood onto a pile or into a tarp? You're overrating the importance of corpse-hauling compared to helping those still alive/stopping the "wilding" youth looting and sticking up their victims. Body recovery must and will take a back seat to helping the living- period. it's really seldom even our responsibility now in here in Chicago once the paper is finished (unless it's an apparently legitimate crime scene/homicide). And (unfortunately for them) I'm sure the poor National Guard troops will be able to handle the "bag-and-drag" functions well enough- hopefully they will have better haz-mat suits than that joke crap they barely supplied us with- maybe actual F.E.M.A. Haz-Mat specialists (with their own oxygen tanks!) will have be brought in to make the recoveries if much more time passes in those crock-pot oven residences the bodies are stewing and blooming maggots in. And that's the way it should be. Remember- we were way behind the times here in Chi-Town with us doing the removals- and good riddance I think we mostly all can agree.
Hell- the main/only reason a lot of old squadrol pushers might have been tempted to take on a task like this (the potential "archaeological discoveries") has thankfully become a thing of the past too, and obviously doesn't apply to most of the poverty stricken area residents either. A real salty wagon man veteran would laugh right in your stupid face if you recommended that he go down there to play "Egor" to society's Dr. Frankenstein again (and then if he was like more than a few of them- he'd sucker punch your arrogant melon, laugh, and happily stroll back to his stool in the tavern without spilling a drop of his freshly poured beer!)
I've dragged more than my fair share of bodies (a few nearly 400 lbs.) before they took the task out of our hands. Many thankfully with some real old wagon pro's who taught me the best "work saving techniques" (and several of these guys witnessed plenty of death in the `Nam, as well as having REAL belt notches from offing neer-do-wells on the job with nary a second thought.)
It's a young man's game period (for better or worse) going down into a nightmare cesspool like what Katrina left behind... it's only logical to send the fittest, most "militarized", specially trained and capable officer contingent down into that disaster. There will be very few CPD "wagonman" "exception to rule" P.O.'s who would be under 50 and truly possess enough of an old wagon man's expertise with stinkers (yet be spry and single) to be of any real added value to the recovery efforts commencing in the Big Easy.
In fact- of late that's what the typical newbie Wagon Boy's job on a massive stinker could have come to have called a tough one- "A BIG EASY"... because they would inevitably bitched, whined and cried about what a terrible health risk etc. it would be for them to actually get the blob out on their own- so they'd just moan until the Sarge on scene would let them dump the whale on the Fire Department heroes... and then not even buy the "Heroes" a case of beer afterward for the inconvenience... even if CFD had to break out their haz-mat pajamas! The "Stinker" chapter on this job is basically closed- there ain't no "epilogue" gonna be written down South!
Does anyone have any information as to EXACTLY WHAT CPD's mission will be in New Orleans?
Anonymous @ 2:12 pm
That's bullshit. Those coppers were looting. Copy this into your browser.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart
Those F/1's are outright stealing. Clothes, shoes and lying to the reporter. Maybe Regina King can get a bosses job there when they reconstitute.
That video was unbelievable....and we should send money to these thieves? Or go down to help them when they walk off the job....Jesse, Meeks, Rush and Danny Davis should get on their racism soap boxes now....black police officers are looting while people are dying...and they are looting shoes....perhaps they should address this problem and not the perceived race issue as usual.
Unbelievable....asked what she was doing the copper replied looking for looters...as she continued shopping...those two need to be prosecuted...oh thats right...they won't be...Meeks, Jackson and the naacp will fly to their defense...medicine for children my ass....
CPD sent a total of 22 from SOS at 5 am on Saturday morning. All I think are from the SWAT team. Today on channel 7 news they were showing CFD preparing to go and help, however no one even knew that CPD had already sent people. At a debriefing they were warned of alligators and snakes among other things. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers also.
A FEW CAUTIONS ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS, from The Old Veteran.
We all want to help, that’s in a way is why we took this job in the first place.
Trying to separate the real helpful from the scams can be difficult but here are a few tips and clues.
First, unless it is run by an organization you belong to, only give to a recognized charity, like the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, etc.
Next, be weary of any phone solicitation for any charity. Many are legit and advertise on TV and by mail. If they call you they may be calling to scam your credit card number or do an identity theft.
If you write a charity a check, you may want to scratch your address off the check, and be cautious about filling out any donor card. If you give one charity your info, you give it to a lot of charities and you will get tons of mail. You might use your station address and phone number or a post office box.
If you deal with a person, ask for identification, a real card with a photo not just a button.
If you write a check, spell out the name of the charity. Write AMERICAN RED CROSS or SALVATION ARMY. If you are asked to just write the charity’s initials, (like “A.R.C. or S.A.), that’s a red flag. Initials would likely be converted to someone’s name.
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