Wednesday, September 14, 2005

The folly of the "merit" system

Barring a last minute delay, merit packages for the Sergeants are due today. Hence, this post:

As we approach another promotional process (of which 30% will be "merit" picks), we'd like to open the floor to civil discourse regarding the methodology. We realize that no one in power is actually going to listen to us, but maybe someone from the FOP or some future boss with an eye toward reform might remember any decent or thoughtful suggestions that appear here.

It is our opinion that first and foremost, the test results should be published. It is paid for by taxpayer money and we are taxpayers. Secrecy benefits only those who have something to hide and the only people with something to hide are the "clout babies." The FOP should fight for this starting tomorrow. As we understand it in other departments, test scores are readily accessible for viewing AND everyone is told how far down the list they will promote ("we are going down to #475 on this list.") Everyone knows that #476 is out of luck and he probably gets to drink free for a year. Plus, he can start studying for the next one right away.

Secondly, the two part test format has to go; at least the parts where you have to wait for months to even see if you passed part 1 and the "clout babies" not even showing up for part 2. In these days of scan-tron answer sheets, you should walk out of the test site with your results in hand.

And no "challenge sessions." If the city spends $4,000,000 on a test, the answers should be chiseled IN STONE. None of this "massaging" or "manipulating" results to achieve a "better mix" of qualified people. Barack Obama is on record saying that the citizens of chicago deserve the "best qualified" plumbers, electricians and janitors - why not the best qualified detectives and bosses? Obviously, we can't go back to the "Oral Boards." WAAAAY to much political hanky panky went on there as bosses tipped off the "clout babies" about key words and phrases to say to get full marks while the #2 numeric score drops to #118 because he didn't say "banana split" during his interview. We won't even get into the "other oral boards" where someone would tie a knot in a cherry stem with their tongues to impress the brass.

More suggestions? Is there any way to guarantee that "merit" means merit? Any one from other departments outside of this state have info on how they do it? And none of the racial crap that has been popping up recently. Go get your own blog if you have to resort to that BS.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I stated in a previous post...

The fact that 30% of all promotions to the rank of sergeant are meritorious is a travesty. With that said, I truly believe there is a place, however limited, in the Dept. for merit promotions. Every officer can probably identify at least one coworker who deserves promotion regardless of their test score.

The frequently expressed tautology that "not everone is a good test taker," seemingly, is a valid justification for merit promotions. Unfortunately, this logic has been exploited by the well-connected to meritoriously promote political hacks undeserving of the rank.

Like any government action conducted behind closed doors, the merit promotion process comes under great suspicion due, in large part, to the secrecy surrounding the identity of the meritorious promotees.

In my experience on the Dept., the vast majority of (but certainly not all) officers are fair-minded and good judges of character. Thus, if a meritorious promotee truly deserves the promotion, i.e., they are hard workers, have good judgment, and have "put in their time," why should his or her identity as a merit promotee remain undisclosed? If the merit promotee is truly deserving, he or she should be held-up to the rest of the Department as a model employee, a person to be admired and emulated.

Sadly, this is not the case.
The politicos who advocate and ensure the perpetuation of the merit promotion process, insist upon this veil of secrecy in an attempt to hide what everyone suspects: the merit process is fundamentally unfair and possibly unlawful - violative of the Shakman decree.

Accordingly, I propose the following 3 reforms to the current process:

1) Reduce the percentage of meritorious promotions to 10%. Why aren't the unions raising hell on this issue?

2) Disclose the identity of the merit promotees. As mentioned above, if they are deserving, most officers will not be discouraged by their promotion or lose faith in the process. I'm not saying that there won't be bickering about the choices, but at least we'll likely be debating the candidacy of two qualified officers rather than that of political insiders and those who think they are entitled by birthright.

3) Disclose the identity of the exempt member who nominated the meritorious promotee. This will lend a degree of accountability to the process. Not only will exempts be subject to scrutiny for poor choices, but feds will know where to start the investigation of suspected Shakman violations.


Concerned Test Score Sergeant

PS. SCC, thank you for the forum.

9/13/2005 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The results are published in the FIRE Depart. Another FOP\PBPA example of not giving their memberships a response. The fire union publishes merit selections. Why can the FOP/PBPA not?

9/14/2005 12:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the 30% quota was established, Nolan Inc. promised us it would be on the table for the next contract negotiation. That was 2 contracts ago. When negotiation time came up, it wasn't even mentioned. Does anyone know what went on? Not the usual they sold us out rhetoric. I want to know why the union bailed on this.

9/14/2005 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Unions bailed on this in exchange for better raises and other benefits for every one of its members.

BTW, the argument that someone should be a "merit" pick because he/she doesn't take tests well is pure B.S. where that person has a Masters or higher degree. Such people obviously take "tests" well so there must be other reasons why they failed the promotional exams on their own. Why should a guy with less education who has worked his butt off studying the Orders, etc., and put in his time NOT get promoted in favor of some exempts kid with a B.A. or M.A., and 5 years on the job but who didn't care enough to bother to study?

9/14/2005 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP will do nothing. They have done nothing for us for over twenty years that our so calledcontract has been in force and th3ey are not about to start now. FOP stands for f&%# our police. If they got involved the situation would only worsen or become more ridiculous than it is.

9/14/2005 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im using anonymous because im too lazy to log in and get another password to remember.

We cant have legit promotions because Chicawguh aint ready for reform and we dont want nobody that nobody sent

The dept is just a job pool.
Ever notice how certain family names seem to dominate the lists?

in the end it costs the taxpayers when ineptitude forces juries to add zeroes to settlement figures,

There have been many slaps in the face to many good hard working bright coppers who cant get out of their own way due to this crap

Maybe Mr Hoffman the new head of OMI will look into this
Maybe Fizgerald will too

9/14/2005 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took a dicks test in 1980
They gave me my results before I left the building.
I didnt make it but no one who finished lower than I did made it either.

I took a test to work for a suburban agency dispatcher
They mailed my results in about 17 days

I took the CPD Sgts test in 1985.
First they removed questions from the multiple choice portion.

Then asked us to answer 16 questions in short answer form

At the oral bd we were re-asked some of the same questions asked in short answer form.

They included a secret bonus question so the examiner would know who to score high.
( the Phrase that Pays was to say a "writing instrument" not a 'pen'.)

On a similar Lieutenant's exam given around the same time and using the same format. the secret Phrase that pays was "Notify the Watch Commander"

Then they made a list,of raw scores and then another list of adjusted scores and then STILL skipped around.

The first promotion for these tests were made in Dec of 1988.

To quote former mayor Washington,
This was the biggest hocus pocus dominocus to ever hit the city

People who finished lower than I did got promoted to Sgt and are now Captains and above.

I hope that the new Inspector General looks at CPD promotions first.

9/14/2005 02:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And this is all new to some?? I hope the Feds takeover this city just to watch the cloutee's crap their pants!

9/14/2005 05:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the first comment, I'd add to #3 that the recommendation itself should be made public. Let it be known exactly what traits the exempt feels the merit nominee posseses that would warrant the promotion.

I agree that there were people who I have know or have known who I would nominate if I were in the position. However, I would require nomination before the test is even given.

And I'd definitely set out guidelines for the exempts to follow when making nominations, and I'd make the guidelines public too.

Agree completely with your comments, and believe that much more could be said on the topics.

9/14/2005 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come to think of it though, if the city's monitor is looking at the process, and if the merit people don't have some great paperwork accompanying their nomination, I wouldn't be surprised if the monitor threw many of them out.

Why would anyone have bothered to write the great paper in the first place, if all that's historically been required is the phone call itself. I'll be interested to see if this comes about.

9/14/2005 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


9/14/2005 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can always tell who the merit people are because they don" stay in patrol for long. They keep the real bosses to keep things running and take all the risks. The merit scum always find someone to do things for them because they don"t know how to run anything.

9/14/2005 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

Ms. Noelle C. BRENNAN, Esq. is the monitor appointed by U.S. District Court Judge Wayne Andersen to monitor the City of Chicago's flagrant lack of compliance with the Shakman Decree.

As of this morning, both monitor Brennan and her assistant, Kelly, are aware of this Web site.

She has also been advised that most so-called "merit" promotions within the Chicago Police Department are based on politics and anything but actual merit.

This morning, I also personally recontacted Attorney Michael L. SHAKMAN. I advised him that Monitor BRENNAN is now aware of this Web site.

9/14/2005 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

way to go, johnny northside!

a desperate message to lawyers Brennan and Shakman:


9/14/2005 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brennan / Shakman
Check out Lt B. Murphy CPD
Sgt in 5 years
Lt in 7 years
Commissioner of electrical
Now Hubermans hatchet man????

9/14/2005 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Paladin said...

I too favor a true merit promotion process. But the question Shakman and Brennan need to ask is WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR MERIT PROMOTIONS? If there truly is one, let us know so we can all attempt to improve ourselves or make the adjustments we need to make so those of us who are bad test takers (i.e. have no political or departmental clout) can be promoted meritoriously.

Can't the unions get together, identify those promoted meritoriously, show their nepitism and politics involved and give it to the G or the monitor or someone? What about the media, I'm sure someone out there who is not in Daley's pocket would love a story about how unqualified people are being promoted simply because of who they know.

9/14/2005 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 1222 hrs. post, you forgot Lt. Murphy's most important qualification....relative of Jeremiah Joyce.

9/14/2005 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 1222 hrs. post, you forgot Lt. Murphy's most important qualification....relative of Jeremiah Joyce.

9/14/2005 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the early 1990's, I was summoned, along with the Commander of training and lieutenants and commandrs from within the Detective division, to a meeting at headquarters regarding detectives promotions. The suggestions from some present ranged from "let's take the cops with the highest numbers of arests and promote them meritoriously; to let's craft a test (basically at a 4th grade level) and then rely on exempt recommendations. I suggested that we return to the way the 1980 test was run; take the test, have it scored when you exit the room, verify your identity, have the test double checked as you stand there and watch, and leave knowing how many questions you actually got correct. I was shouted down and chased from the office, with comments ringing out "that's how the racial balance in the D got all screwed up to begin with". I say, let's get back to the 1980 test format; announce a test; the people who take the time and exert the effort to study will do well, regardless of their ethnicity or educational background, and the lazy entitlement dogs will continue to run in circles and beg for stuff. The test should be scored in front of the test taker, and the number of correct answers known by the test taker before they leave the site. Oh, silly me! That would make things TOO legit!

9/14/2005 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Adolph said...

Can any one find that law firm that beat the city over the fire promotional exams? Its a female firm that sued and won on the promotional exam for captain based on the hiring system used for Lts. which discriminated against male whites. The eleven fire fighters each recieved three hundred thousand in compenstation for missing the next promotional exams for Captain and Chief.

I just called their union and they advised me a union delegate would contact me on the 15th, and would speak to me most likely in person.
They also stated that merit promotions are listed seperately along with those firefighters in rank order.
Lets try and use this site to find a competent attorney to pursue this matter, and then we should sue the FOP(fuck over the district police)for failure to pursue litigation on behalf of the membership. Remember when the Sgts. Association sued Hillard on behalf of Sgt. James Mc Cardle, now reired Capt. Mc Cardle? Mc Cardle was next on the list and was passed over.(city was oredered not to use merits on that list, but made eight anyway) There has to be a real attorney who would be willing to pursue this promotional process,with out costing each member an arm and a leg in legal fees.

9/14/2005 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Burton Natarious just had the big one at City hall when making a speech against the war in Iraq.

There using a defib on him. To bad its not Daley.

9/14/2005 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous link to story said...

Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools was declared unconstitutional Wednesday by a federal judge. When I retire I am moving to the mountains with my truck load of guns

9/14/2005 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

I just spoke with court-appointed monitor Noelle C. Brennan, Esq.

Ms. Brennan welcomes your eMail with any documentable evidence of any violation(s) of the Shakman decree against political patronage ("clout") in hiring and non-exempt promotions within the CPD.

Like Mr. Shakman, Ms. Brennan has advised me that evaluation of the credibility of your information requires that you identify yourself. TOTAL CONFIDENTIALITY is assured by both Ms. Brennan and Mr. Shakman.

"Anonymous" sources will be received with understandable skepticism.

You may eMail Counselor/Monitor Brennan at:


As noted many weeks ago, Michael L. Shakman may be eMailed at "". All communications will be STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.

Enter "CPD Clout/Patronage" in the
subject field.

Both Ms. Brennan and Mr. Shakman will be monitoring this blog site.

9/14/2005 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cmdr. A. Stanley's, meritorious rise makes Brian Murphy's look slow. At least Murphy did play real police for a little while.

9/14/2005 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thank you for reaching out to Ms. Brennan and Mr. Shakman concerning this political-based promotion process. I truly hope an investigation is initiated and reforms are implemented.

As for providing documentation of evidentiary value, that will likely require the actions of an ivestigator with subpoena power. I suspect that most of the contributors to this website are rank and file working police with no access to such documents. After all, we can't even obtain official confirmation of whom the merit promotees are.

Unofficially, however, it's easy to see that the same family names and children of exempts keep appearing on the promotion lists. Just good test takers?

I doubt it.

9/14/2005 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you say Uncle John (Stroger). And if Mr. Shakman or Ms. Brennan are monitoring, there are alot of Stroger's relatives/play relatives on CPD with nice promotions and spots!!!

9/14/2005 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we have some new folks here congratulating Northside on his contacting those individuals in the court system.

What is the benefit of letting them know about this blogsite? How can that help you in getting compensation for having been passed over in an examination? How can that help in future examinations? The answer is nothing.

New posters here please beware. (Retired) sergeant Northern has told several individuals, outside the department, about this site.

His boneheaded moves will ulitmately lead to this site being dumped or folks getting into trouble. Veteran posters to this site know this.

Way to go Northern! You did it again.

9/14/2005 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you should chande your name and leave town. Must be horrible to live in fear.

9/14/2005 03:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the Sgt.'s promotion ceremony back in Dec. of 2003. I couldn't believe the number of exempts who were on stage greeting there kids. Phil, of course, Sam Christian, Wayne Wiberg, etc. It was truly amazing that they were able to pass the police management gene onto their children. Has there been any scientific studies of this genetic miracle?

9/14/2005 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 3:44

And your message is addressed to?

9/14/2005 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good move Northside.

Another suggestion to add.

How about requiring every exempt member to fill out a notarized affidavit listing every known relative on the city's payroll, no matter how distant and no matter what rank.

Then give the chart to a statistician at the University of Chicago, and work out the difference in odds for promotion for clout-babies versus the rest.

Problem I'm coming up with for the first suggestion is how many kids on the job are related to exempt retirees. The kids are taken care of by the old boy network in charge, but its not like you could force a retiree to sign such an affidavit.

I sorta see a problem Ms. Brennan may be facing. I doubt anybody is going to step up and say "ok, ok, uncle joey promised me a promotion, and, like, whoa! next thing ya know I'm makin' 80 with my own city car!"

Nor are we likely to see the actual backrubbers stepping up and admitting to the phone call system.

Nope. Seems like the best we can give her as a site is the craziest coincidental examples of hiring and promotion!

Like when the son of a boss manages to get promoted, along with every person who ever rode in a car with him! Including people who have taken 30 day suspensions! More than once!

Who in this department DOESN'T have these stories to tell?

This would be a good place to point Ms. Brennan.

And my God is it about time for this young woman to come along. I hope she's got heart.

9/14/2005 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just because strogers niece is unable to put a sentance together and cannot count to 021 does not mean she should not be a commander or even get promoted higher

9/14/2005 04:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Paladin said...

Minorities should be insulted by the current promotion process. It assumes minorities are too dumb to study for, take and passa test.

The monitor should not be seeking on line information. It shows she is a joke. If she were for real she'd call up the Justice Dept. and get an admistrator to run the Dept. while they look at things. Besides, all she has to do is look at the percentage of bosses kids who get promoted as it relates to the entire population of the Dept. The fact is you have agreater chance of being promoted if your parent was a boss or a politician. This isn't to say they are all bad. Many are very good. But it's not fair and there may be other even more qualified people out there.

Names like, Risley, Williams, Evans, Christian, Wyberg, Conlisk, Cline. Heck, the director of news affairs (not camden) is Daley's nephew by marraige. I know there are a lot more.

Why not have a special Post to name all of the connected bosses?

Note: Pledge can be said, they just have to take out "under God." Supreme Court will overturn lower court and things will be back to normal in a year or so.

9/14/2005 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>The monitor should not be seeking on line information. It shows she is a joke. If she were for real she'd call up the Justice Dept. and get an admistrator to run the Dept. while they look at things. <<

That is waaaay beyond the scope of her appointment. And her appointment is by a federal judge, not an elected official. Her scope is to determine what in the world is wrong with hiring and promotions in the city, and then fix it. Its not to take over the department. I know she used to work for an overworked EEOC, but I'm not sure she even knows anybody in the Justice Department.

and her responsibilities are over all city hiring, not just police.

Thus, I think if we as a group tried to help her, we REALLY need to give her a Cliff's Notes version of what is happening.

The best information we could present to her would be a concise "coincidence? you decide" listing. And to the 30% "merit" numbers the special invite-only study groups with "special guest tonight: The Guy Who Wrote The Test", and suddenly the system is stacked more than halfway with clout babies. 30% acknowledged, 20-30% more with a wink and a nod.

That said, I think Bush and Rove wouldn't mind putting a few parts of Chicago under federal receivership. Hell, if they would appoint either of the Fitzgeralds mayor, I'd be in favor of cancelling city elections for the next 20 years.

The City That Works? Indeed!

9/14/2005 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Chief of OCD, Stevens got his princess in Asset Forfieture. Two minutes on the job, highly qualified. Let me guess, she'll make det next.......and so on and so on and so on. She couldn't wear Hanks dirty socks!

9/14/2005 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


9/14/2005 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

"The monitor (Noelle C. Brennan, Esq.) should not be seeking on line information. It shows that she is a joke" - "Paladin" at 5:39 PM
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
WRONG! I want to unequivocally clarify my earlier conversation with court-appointed monitor Brennan. While I often substantively agree with his/her posts, "Paladin" is incorrectly reading between the lines with the above quote.

At no time did Counselor Brennan or Mr. Shakman actively request information from this blog site. I assume FULL responsibility for notifying both Ms. Brennan and Mr. Shakman of this blog site on an FYI basis. Since "CLOUT" or patronage has such a deeply-entrenched stranglehold on the CPD. I passionately believe that active sworn members should be aware of all options in exposing generations of pandemic patronage.

While neither actively requested to receive patronage information from anyone, both gave me their permission to post their eMail addresses at this blog site. Enter
"CPD Patronage/Clout" in the subject field. The respective eMail addresses of Ms. Brennan and Mr. Shakman are:

If you decide to provide any useful information or suggestions via eMail, both Attorneys Brennan and Shakman have assured me that your actual identity will remain STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. Furthermore, identifying yourself will give credibility to your information which might otherwise be ignored as DISinformation from those that have a vested interest in preserving the "clout" = "merit" agenda. Also, mere anecdotes and conjecture is of little, if any probative value.

If anyone needs further clarification, I'll attempt to CONFIDENTIALLY respond to any inquiries, comments or criticism as time permits.

eMail address:

9/14/2005 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The former Lt(who made his ranks off the tests) in asset forfeiture was gifted by Stevens with his princess, and told to make her an investigator, even though there were no spots for her. When he complained, he was overruled by the chief, and shortly afterwards transferred back to patrol.

9/14/2005 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The former Lt(who made his ranks off the tests) in asset forfeiture was gifted by Stevens with his princess, and told to make her an investigator, even though there were no spots for her. When he complained, he was overruled by the chief, and shortly afterwards transferred back to patrol.

9/14/2005 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wiberg was number #53 on the test. Legit score. When that chick turned down the first class promotion of 75 sgts to go to medical school, Wiberg was the next name on the list and the brass stepped on it and kept the class at 74 because they said it would "look bad" to put commander Wiberg's kid in even though he was legit.

9/14/2005 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The F.O.P. has the list with everyone score. They know who gets made on merit and who earned it.

9/14/2005 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suck at taking tests. Always have, always will. When I took the Det test in 94-95(?), my score was so bad, every last one of the Dets, Y.O.'s and Gang guys would have had to die or retire before I got promoted. However, I surprised myself on the Sgts. test that was given a month or so beforehand. I've been a Sgt for 8 years now.

On the last Lts exam, I scored in the top 250. However, the fact that the dept never makes a large amount of Lt's and the 30% merit is gonna kill me.

BTW, I'm a Black female. I studied my butt off. I went to 3 different study group all over the city for the sgt & det's exam and 2 for the Lts. I have no relatives on this job and I never have and never will play the "casting couch" game and I don't do the politic thing, either.

When I first came on the job, I wanted to be the first Black, female superintendant. Well, not any more. My goal is to retire a field Lt. somewhere. It seems the higher up you go, the more brain cells and self respect you loose.

9/15/2005 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous fedupsgt said...

I'm in the same spot you are, scored a litttle higher than you and won't be promoted because of two things-30% merit and the one promotion class made right before our results came out.

I remember waiting for our test results when the city says they can't wait, they are so short Lts, they promote approx 20 off the old list. Unbelievably, I received my score immediately after that promotion.

That old list didn't require a 4 year degree, the new one did. One individual (possibly two, but I can't confirm) that was promoted by merit off the old list didn't have the college and therefore couldn't be promoted off the new list. Therefore, an entire promotional class was made for one person with clout. Approx. 6 months later, he's made a Commander of a south side district.

Gee- you need 2 years of college to be a Sgt, 4 for a Lt, 4 for a Captain but none to be a Commander (If you have the clout)

Is this a violation of Shakman or something Brennan will be interested in?

9/15/2005 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off the Wibergs are huge beatoffs, legit test scores or not. Merit should consist of certain years in patrol div. as well as a certain number of arrests(in the thousands) to be even considered. Every merit made I have worked for throws their weight around and is a shit boss.Always looking to their next promotion and never just enjoying the freebie they got.
Again I must say this again the Wibergs are "in love with themselves" are the biggest heroes they know, strokes!

9/15/2005 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only way the older Wiberg became a lt. was because he kept saying "notify the watch commander" during his "orals". His clout was Leroy Martin.

9/15/2005 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the merit promotees who have no resume of "merit" should be ashamed of themselves. I gots no respect for any of them.

9/15/2005 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just in case anyone was really wondering, there are at least 9 sitting captains that doo not have not met the educational requirements. They have to have BA degrees by the end of the year. Several of them are Friends Of Phil's. Wonder what will happen to them?

9/15/2005 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous don't care said...

The clout ones will be promoted, the others will be told to retire.

9/16/2005 05:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess you have never worked for the "Wiberg's". I cannot vouch for the father because I have never worked for him but I have for the kid and can honestly say that He is pro police and always sticks up for the working guys.Wayne Jr. claims he learned how to take care of the troops from his Dad so the old man can't be that bad.Too bad other bosses on the job don't stick up for their guys.

9/16/2005 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both Father and Son are fine men, I have had the privelige to work for Sr. and the privelige to supervise Jr., both are hard working honest and fair individuals. NUFF SAID!

9/16/2005 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys keep asking why the FOP and other unions don't do anything. They are in the City's pocket and always have been. They don't care about their membership. We are being ripped off by the FOP. Are dues are wasted on golf outings, conventions, and bar tabs, especially bar tabs. If the FOP was a real union, instead of a Fraternal group, like the Moose or VFW, we would be making way more money, promotions would be more legit(they would file unfair Labor Practices or have the Department of Labor investigate the Department), and we would never have lost our free benefits.
FOP is useless, has been useless, and is getting more useless everyday. The should be ashamed of themselves to impersonate a union.

9/16/2005 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 8:01 pm - first of all, what board are you reading? no one is bitching about the FOP except your sorry butt three times a day. second, we can't have a real union because of local, state and federal law says we can't strike, so we have no power regardless. why don't you team up with hallinan and harej and go start your own website -

9/16/2005 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to hurt your sensitive feelings, but three or four times either the blogger or others wondered if or what the Fraternal Order was doing about the merit problem and the payu problem vis a vis Captains and Lieutenants.
Also, when you have as many years as I do on this job and have been screwed by the Fraternal Order as many times as I have, than you can tell me to quit bitching.
The Fraternal Order helped ruin a great job and Department.

9/17/2005 01:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 0142 post: The FOP doesn't represent the Captains and Lieutenants, so they CAN'T do anything for them. Idiot.

9/19/2005 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At best

9/19/2005 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At best, you have a 50% chance of making it legit on any test. 30% go to merit, the other 20% go to the select few who already know the answers. The rest of us chumps are free to scrounge for the rest of the spots and toil in patrol. Think I'm wrong? Look at the last Lt.'s test. Spots #1 and #2 were perfect scores separated only by senority. Both of the Sgt.s came from the same unit. Both were clout kids. Both have nice cushy jobs now. Both were administrative Sgts for a now retired blowhard. Any guesses? Legit, not a chance.The Department pisses in our ears and tells us its raining. And we're just stupid enough to sit by and do nothing.

9/19/2005 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any info on Sgt or Dick promotions? I know an alderman and I think I am in this time.

9/19/2005 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you no shame?

9/19/2005 09:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember Rich Stevens, when he was in a Beat Car in 018th District making Ten and Twenty dollar traffic stops, Mr Clean?

9/21/2005 10:49:00 PM  

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