Meeks unhappy
One wonders about rev. meeks refusing to pursue further action against the department in his little "incident." We mean, if racial profiling is such a HUGE problem in his community, you'd think he'd pursue it to the ends of the earth. If "Junebug" and "Shaniqua" and everyone else is getting stopped left and right by racist officers, this would seem like a sure winner of a case, maybe the stepping stone to a national platform. Unless it was all BS (ding ding ding!)
Though, in his own way, rev. meeks is pursuing action against the department by threatening to register another 200,000 (real live) voters in order to "change the system." Nothing like another completely useless layer of bureaucracy to make things run more efficiently, eh? OPS is run by civilians and is the second most incompetent investigatory arm of the department. The police board is staffed by civilians appointed by the mayor and sometimes will surprise watchers with intelligent decisions. It seems like the exact thing we need is ANOTHER group of political hacks looking over our shoulders while we do police work. Pretty soon, you'll have to have a law degree AND a degree in social services to even get hired.
Though, in his own way, rev. meeks is pursuing action against the department by threatening to register another 200,000 (real live) voters in order to "change the system." Nothing like another completely useless layer of bureaucracy to make things run more efficiently, eh? OPS is run by civilians and is the second most incompetent investigatory arm of the department. The police board is staffed by civilians appointed by the mayor and sometimes will surprise watchers with intelligent decisions. It seems like the exact thing we need is ANOTHER group of political hacks looking over our shoulders while we do police work. Pretty soon, you'll have to have a law degree AND a degree in social services to even get hired.
posted by SCC at 9:30 AM
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Among other things, the "Reverend" James T. Meeks is a race-baiting demagogue. Without his bogus and incendiary charge of "racial profiling", the media would have ignored the West Pullman incident
altogether.
Meeks himself would today concede that there was absolutely no evidence of "racial profiling" by the European-American sergeant. Indeed, Meeks refused to sign an OPS affidavit to that effect.
That leaves us with two "complaints" by Meeks, neither being newsworthy.
(1) A DRAWN WEAPON. If any officer perceives a threat, he would be negligent to not at least draw his weapon. The undisputed fact that Meeks alighted from the auto could easily be ample justification. From personal experience, while I never shot anyone, I have drawn and pointed my weapon several times a tour while working 011.
(2) USING "PROFANITY". Meeks refused to comply when the sergeant TWICE ordered him to "get back in the car." On the third order, the sergeant told Meeks to get back in the "fuckin'" car. Certainly, in this context, the use of the word "fuckin'" was no more than an amplification of the urgency of the sergeant's earlier orders.
Complete "EXONERATION" of the sergeant was appropriate.
Instead, a Supt. who must answer to the embattled mayor, ordered a written reprimand.
Sgt. J--- C-------, 005, was clearly a political scapegoat.
If the sergeant remains acquiescent in the face of this unprincipled reprimand, I believe the CPD owes him a silver bar and a reasonable choice of an assignment.
Oh, by the way. FUCK Meeks!
AMEN----Meeks is another bogus "Reverend" who uses religion and race to further his political career...just like Jesse Sr.....anybody seen Meeks on TV trying to help his people in the South? Meeks makes millions purporting himself to be a man of the cloth...what a crock...he is a racist ignoramus and has his whole community fooled. He takes away credibility from the struggle for equality because he is always pointing the finger away from where it really needs to be pointed
I totally agree with northside.
Why didn't the local media ever challenge Meeks on his baseless "RACIAL PROFILING" charge?
Hey Northside!
The incident occured in the Kensington neighborhood, not West Pullman. When you came on the job that was the name of the 005 district, remember you old racist fool?
I think it is funny a white guy is attacking a balck minister. You have no respect.
right on northside you aint no racist like old boy claims
ATTN: 1:50 PM poster.
I have processed arrestees through the old 005 (Kensington) which once stood on the NE corner of Kensington (115th Pl.) & Indiana Ave.
There is no neighborhood called "Kensington". Between the Bishop Ford Expy. (Doty Ave.) and Halsted St., Roseland lies to the north of 115th St. while West Pullman, where the Meeks incident occurred, lies to the south of 115th St.
I will not dignify your "old racist fool" comment and your final paragraph with a response.
While you are incorrect on all counts, your unsuccessful attempt at NITPICKING suggests that you are an "exempt".
Have a nice weekend, smartass!
Did the FOP give Steve Robbins $5000 to run his campaign for pension board trustee? Wasn't it enough he got to go to the pension board meetings on city time. Mark Donahue to Steve Robbins is like State Farm - "Like a good neighbor, Mark Donahue is there." Is the $5000 coming from the member's dues? I wonder what the FOP will say next time it advocates another dues increase from the members. At least we know Meeks is not supposed to be on our side. Are Donahue and his team on our side? I wish I was a neighbor of Donahue's - maybe the FOP would fund me my campaign. I have a football pool I would like to get into - may the FOP would fund that for me.
You know I learned something from this whole Rev. Meeks ordeal.
Since Rev. Meeks was on T.V. stating..."the only reason we gots pult ova wuz cuz weez drivin a nigga car wit spinnin reeams"
Now that I have got rid a mines, I know longer get pulled ova either. Thank you Rev. Meeks, now go keell yo seff.
The small infraction the Sgt. got hit with is an old trick.
The City has done this for years.
If there is a media public incident they will always hit the sworn officer with something even if it the officer didn't do it.
This way it looks like the City "corrected" the problem....
and a few months down the line the officer's "conviction" will be over turned after the media frenzy is gone.
Its just like when they want to raise taxes....
They will say we are seeking a 20 percent increase, knowing full well they only wanted 5 percent. So when the public cries they only pass a 5 percent tax increase. The public all goes... WOW we won, we only got a 5 percentage raise instead of 20. But thats all the political hacks wanted anyhow...and they are laughing in your face because you think you got a deal.
I know this has nothing to do with current thread. I stopped reading the Tribune years ago after the "Chicago Police Detectives Torture" series (that's another story). My brother sent me this link of a Trib editorial. Keep your panties on libs and don't even try to tell us the Trib is a conservative paper. That was 40 years ago.
Character at whose expense?
Hurricane Katrina exposes a bumbling political culture that excels at scapegoating
Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow and historian at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University: Tribune Media Services
Published September 9, 2005
`In peace and prosperity states and individuals have better sentiments, because they do not find themselves suddenly confronted with imperious necessities; but war takes away the easy supply of daily wants, and so proves a rough master that brings most men's characters to a level with their fortunes."
So the historian Thucydides explained, some 2,400 years ago, the grotesque rampages during a revolution on the island of Corfu.
Arson, looting, shooting at helicopters, random murder, gang rape and stampede supposedly only occur elsewhere--in Baghdad or Rwanda, as if Americans are exempt from the frailty of culture simply because we live in the United States.
We are not, as we saw in New Orleans. And when the protocols of American civilization vanished through storm and flood, the devolution to our instinctual savagery proved only minutes away.
Unfortunately, Hurricane Katrina and the breaching of the Lake Pontchartrain levees above New Orleans ushered in not one, but successive storms of human and natural brutality.
First, we pressed nature one too many times. America forgot that there are very few cities extant on the planet that are below sea level. And to add to that, New Orleans is positioned on a gale-prone coast, aside the delta of one of the largest rivers in the world, and at the mercy of a huge lake dammed right above the city.
That New Orleans heretofore had not experienced ruin in the manner of a swampy Venice or Naples beneath Mt. Vesuvius was the real miracle.
But besides topographical peril, New Orleans suffers from an ossified Louisianian political culture that has not evolved all that much from the crass demagoguery of Huey Long of the 1930s. The party machine's reason to be is providing exemptions for the very wealthy and subsidies for the dependent poor. We saw the dividends of this old "every man a king" politics in the scapegoating by paralyzed public officials.
The clueless mayor of New Orleans, who initially hesitated over federal requests to evacuate the entire city, was reduced to expletive-filled rants as hundreds of empty public buses sat idle. The teary governor of Louisiana whined mostly about the federal government. Meanwhile Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) railed at the president: "I might likely have to punch him--literally."
This sad trio proved how fortunate New York was to have a Rudy Giuliani on Sept. 11, 2001, or Los Angeles a Richard Riordan in time of earthquake.
Although millions of others in nearby ravaged Mississippi rebounded without much violence, many in a densely populated, unassimilated and poor urban African-American population--one largely ignored by whites and manipulated by racial demagogues--chose to stay or were left behind in a submerged New Orleans.
Yet the stranded somehow assumed that government services could provide instant succor at ground zero of a biblical catastrophe. When such agencies could not, looters stole appliances (despite having no electricity). With little food, some filched liquor. In the midst of water everywhere, arsonists managed to ignite a mall. With roads impassable, others still roamed the city widely to rape women and shoot at police.
In response, Jesse Jackson jetted in not to organize self-help brigades but only to inflame by calling the mayhem "the hull of a slave ship." Civil rights activist Randall Robinson, without a shred of evidence, immediately alleged--and later retracted--charges of cannibalism: "[B]lack hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive."
We are also in a controversial war. So there were more political storms to come--one of cynically manipulating human misery to tar President Bush.
Assorted experts have assured the public that there were plenty of National Guardsmen available in the area, that hurricanes in recent years in fact have not been as frequent as earlier in the century and that upkeep of recently reinforced dikes was adequately funded.
No matter. Partisans from Robert Kennedy Jr. to Sidney Blumenthal charged that global warming or the Iraq war or inadequate environmental legislation or the president himself was the cause of the thousands of deaths. Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan, of course, screamed as well to reclaim their lost media attention.
It did not end even there. A few abroad could not resist expressing delight at the misery of the world's hyperpower. A Kuwaiti official, Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi, director of a state research center, also cited superhuman retribution. Now safe from Saddam Hussein and with oil sky high, he assured his former American saviors that Allah was rendering retribution to us infidels.
Jurgen Trittin, Germany's environmental minister--without memory of Americans eliminating German Nazism, saving Berlin from starvation, keeping the Red Army out of Western Europe and lobbying for German unification--preened that the ruination of New Orleans was duly earned for our neglect of the global atmosphere. This was from a government that counts on exporting thousands of its luxury gas-guzzling Mercedeses, Audis and BMWs to the United States.
We could have weathered one storm, but four or five natural and human tempests all at once reduced us to abject calamity over New Orleans--bringing "men's characters to a level with their fortunes."
For like $5.00 we can all become reverends with the Universal Life Church, on line. I say every police officer sign up. Then when, the Jacksons and Meeks and Jakes and Sharptons and Phalgers of the world complain about police brutality, and profiling and not giving serve to the minority community (Which in Chciago, by the way is the White community), we can just fire back that we are doing the work of God. And that would be the truth. Can I hear an Amen. And, oh yah, I want to be called the Reverened Officer Paladin once I am an offcial member of the Universal Life Church.
The only reason the black communitys have a churh every other block is ,,,, BECAUSE THEY DONT PAY TAXES THEN. The west side is and will always be a dump because the blacks want to live that way. It will never change. All they want is everything for free. Not all of them but a good 80% do. I have no problem giving them help...whats that commercial teach them to fish Blah Blah Blah. How about passing out lumber and paint and hammers and nails so thay can rebuild everything that they have destroyed?? As long as I dont have to live with them! thats my 2 cents.
Hey Northside!
I won't tell you about neighborhoods on the North Side, and you don't tell me about those on the South Side.
You're wrong, the corner of 115th pl and Indiana is St. Anthony's Catholic Church. That 115th pl. street is called Kensington ave., smartass. The old station was 115th st., but that's a minor point.
The neighborhood back then was called Kensington. It was a small area. Roseland is to the north and west. West Pullman, as to you referred, is much further west. You probably saw the park name on 111th st.
And I don't expect you to reply to the racist remark. Most racists don't want to look inside themselves. I'll pray for you.
Pray for this.
WHO GIVES A SHIT! You 2 morons have way too much time on your hands!!
The New Orleans / Chicago Police group IS NOT GOING NOW.
It has been cancelled.
The CPD presently in the South from S.O.S is returning also.
No word yet as to why we are pulling out.
Re:The New Orleans Police Spokesman who committed suicide
did so because of the following.
The Spokeman who made sure his family was safe and not in danger of the flood waters after the hurricane returned to his position to continue to help in the massive hurricane damage.
Upon returning back home to check on his family he found his wife and daughters all have been raped, tortured and MURDERED!
That is the reason he killed himself.
This was reported on Thursdays nationally broadcasted "Rush Limbaugh" radio program.
The Deputy Chief of the N.O.P.D. then gave the orders to shoot and kill any gang members armed. After several gang members were killed by gun fire (None reported as police related shootings) the City of New Orleans sent many of its sworn personnel to Las Vegas and Atlantic City. (Hmmmmm to keep them from being interviewed and time to clean their guns?)
All I can say is more power to that Dep. Chief who gave these orders.
WALKING AWAY September 9, 2005
We need real street cops
Defections from New Orleans force reveal some latter-day officers lack grit of predecessors
Retired Mesa master police officer Bill Richardson lives in the East Valley E-mail to bill.richardson@cox.net.
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to my State Constitution; I take this obligation freely without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office of Police Officer, to the best of my ability.
—A police officer’s oath of office
The initial report in the Sept. 4 New York Times was that 200 New Orleans cops abandoned their posts of duty. By the next day that number had swelled to 500.
I’d never heard of such a thing happening in America. Cops who wear the badge of honor packing up and running from their sworn oath to protect and serve the community and acting like the deserting Iraqi army. It’s a sad day for American policing and an even sadder day for our country to think that an oath of office like we all took when we signed up to be cops could have as much value as a promise from a used car salesman.
Every cop I’ve talked to is mad as hell about what happened up and down the entire chain of command at the NOPD. The obvious failure of political and police leadership to properly screen, hire, train, equip, supervise and lead police officers in a time of crisis is the grossest act of malfeasance I can recall in the history of law enforcement.
No matter what cops are, they’re only as good as their leadership and what we’ve been shown is what can happen when leadership is based on political connections, not ability to lead troops into 21st century urban warfare.
What’s really scary is that to a lesser degree the New Orleans way of running a city and police department is the sad model of how many American cities are run and police departments are operated, as an extension of highly political elected officials and not as free standing and independent agencies designed to enforce the law equally and fairly.
Politicizing cops as has happened in New Orleans is happening increasingly throughout Arizona.
Could what happened in New Orleans happen elsewhere? Sure it could.
The stories coming out of New Orleans show an extremely dark side of a city that was virtually unknown to most Americans. The show that’s been put on by Louisiana and New Orleans officials ranks right up there with the best Hollywood productions. Many cities have followed the same master plan to conceal the gritty reality of their communities all the while neglecting infrastructure and essential services like policing.
In the end you get what pay for and deserve.
When will be the next time that cops mutiny in America? During a massive terrorist attack? When Mexican drug cartels start shooting up American cities like they have in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico? Or a natural disaster on the scale of Hurricane Katrina?
One friend told me he thought cops were tougher when talking about what happened with the NOPD. Some are, some aren’t. The days of blue-collar guys following a family tradition of policing and GIs taking their skills to a PD are pretty much gone. New-era policing for years has neglected the nitty-gritty reality of what being a cop is all about. Physical fitness standards have been lowered, accommodations have been made to hire those who in the past couldn’t get on, and political correctness often dictates who gets hired and who doesn’t. The same goes for promotions.
The bottom line is that being a real street cop, not some office paperpusher, is a dirty, tough and dangerous job and you’d better hire the people who understand that and are willing to and can satisfy their oath of office no matter what.
What happened in New Orleans should be a wake-up call for every police chief and prominent elected official in America. This could happen again and the difficult times in America for our police officers are only going to get worse. The feel-good show is over, ladies and gentlemen. Now we have to ask the question: Do our cops have what it takes to stand up to all comers and does our police department have the leadership to hold things together when thing really get rough?
I’m reminded of a scene from "The Dirty Dozen," where Lee Marvin asks the question of Robert Ryan after reviewing his "crack" troops: "They’re very pretty, Colonel, but can they fight?"
That’s a question we all need to ask and demand an honest answer to.
Just stay in the hole your in and dont bring your disease to my hood aaaaaaight
On Walking Away...What would you do if you couldn't contact your family in a disaster like N.O. The savages have over run the city, no power, no food, no water. Guess what--screw walmart, screw the savages. I'm headed home to save my family, and anyone who gets in my way....
I'm for saving the family. You should plan to get them out when the word comes down, but if its the last minute, you gotta protect the wife and kids. I'm single w/no kids, but that should be the married P.O.'s priority. As for the cops in NOLA fleeing, well shit goes in, shit comes out. You get what you pay for. I like the "cops are only as good as their leadership" line. If it were true, we'd be fucked. As an ex-military guy I was dumbfounded by the absolute disdain for authority on this job when I was first hired. But as the years went on, I not only came to understand it, I embraced it. I can only think of a handful of supervisors I respect, listen too, or seek an opinion from. We are an entirely self taught and peer supervised organization. That is the ONLY reason we are as successful as we are. Of course if you land in a district with a weak policing tradition when you leave the academy, you'll probably be fucked for your whole career.
Yep, you're right.
I've seen PPO's come out of the Academy a few years back, when every district was a training district,go to 022.
They hooked up with some real dog asses and with only a minute on the job they had a bad attitude and refused to be aggressive. What will they be like in 15 or 20 years?
ATTN: "Anonymous" author(s) of the 4th (1:50 PM) and 13th (1:07 AM)posts.
Aside from your inane drivel about Far South Side geography, what is your point?
I sincerely expressed my contempt for the irresponsible and despicable demagogue Meeks.
Your knee-jerk, obtuse response is to condemn me as being "racist"--a cowardly non sequitur.
I await a LOGICAL clarification and your personal apology at cpdfop7@yahoo.com
Fo' shizzle, dogg!
Northside,
I wrote those posts and no, I shall not apologize, as I believe your intent was racial in nature. I threw in the South Side geography to cut you down to size a bit, as you think you are an authority on just about everything.
In regards to Rev. Meeks:
Yes he was wrong, but to call him a "race-baiting demagogue" is wrong. What makes him a demagogue? You state you were sincere in your comdemnation of Meeks, well, I am sincere that I believe your comments were meant to be racial.
Shut up and get off blog (poster above) Anyone that defends Meeks is either his drivers, his kinfolk, or some hater dogass copper.....Fuck you and dickhead Meeks (both do us a favor and kill each other)
My money on a militant copper from 006, or even 005.
Tsk,tsk,
How do you define militant?
I am not Meeks' driver.
I am not a dogass, I'll put my recordup against almost any other officer.
I am not Meeks' kinfolk.
I shall not use profanity like you. I just have an open mind. It is sad that I scare you.
don't rule out a pathetic white boss with a hard-on for northside.
Open mind? Hah! Typical, my open mind prevents me from asking why the area of the parking lot in 003 where the tact guys park looks like an NBA parking lot. My open mind prevents me from asking why a guy we pinched in 003 with a jab had a look of shock on his face for about half a minute before he said, "Oh, you'll ain't from around here, are you"? But my open mind does let me wonder why a close associate of the jackson family is suddenly involved in a "race" incident when a jackson is making noise about running for mayor (that would be race baiting and demagoguery). My open mind does let me wonder why prominent black ministers live like royalty, while their "people" (since every prominent black claims to speak for his race) live in squalor. My open mind lets me wonder how Jesse Jackson Sr.'s wife is one of the most prominent private antique collectors in this country when neither one of them has ever a job that would accumulate wealth. My open mind lets me wonder why a race of people would let themselves be held hostage in their own homes by the young males of their society who have run wild and rampant. My open mind lets me wonder why a race of people would embrace hip hop culture so fully, when the only things it promotes are counter productive and self genocide. In your "open minded" response you can disregard the obvious target of the catholic cardinal. I am not a catholic and he does not claim to speak for me. Pull the log out of your own eye before you tell me I have a speck in mine.
Outstanding!!!
Anon 5:45
Here, here.
Well said.
anyone know who meeks' driver and body guards are since they are (traitorous) coppers?
Its been very clear for many years that the people on the northside pay the taxes for the people on the WESTSIDE who dont pay their taxes.
Why...they are a useless crowd a dung poo.
Say what?
on the meeks issue. I have one question for the sgt. now that we know that the other car pulled up a few minutes later. where was that threat? i'm not a meeks fan, however, i would not have pulled my weapon. sure i would have told him to get back into his veh., but to pull my weapon on a known political fugure. would my follow officers have the same response if it were "Burk". techically the sgt. was within his rights according to department policy, but morally he was wrong.
The word morally doesnt fit into this situation. If Im threatened I pull my gun. WHY? Because I can. And, because I feel threatened. So do yourself a favor and do a ride along in that district where meeks was pulled over. And then tell me if you would pull your gun out. Because its very evident that your not a Police Officer. Bottom line meeks didnt do as directed! And the 2nd car.... why would a second car with meeks personal guards be 5 minutes away? BS!
see previous posts. Sergeant doesn't live in Roselawn and probably has no idea what meeks looks like. Why should he?
12:35 PM poster
I have personally responded to the homicides of at least three uniformed police officers where their weapon(s) were still secured in their HOLSTERS when they were MURDERED in the line of duty.
Don't you EVER hesitate to DRAW your weapon if you perceive a potential threat. When in doubt, have it drawn. Even with a smile on your face, a glimpse of drawn blue steel is one hell of a deterrent to would-be cop killers.
If you are indeed an active or retired police officer, you must have been assigned to Mayberry with Barney Fife.
What these over educated liberal idiots need is to learn what " PUCKER FACTOR" is. Thats when your ass puckers up so tight that you couldnt wedge a toothpick in it with a sledge hammer! And thats when you have to respond as a P.O. not run away with tour tail in your ass. Thats why Cops has never filmed here and thats why dickhead M ayor daley will never put cameras in the squads. The truth would be shown then.
There is no such thing as racial profiling. For racial profiling to exist, there must be a legal definition for it as promulgated by a legislative body. To this date, that has not happened. The only definition(s) are from individuals pimping and pandering to their constituencies.
Morally he was wrong???Explain ...Sgt. wouldnt know Meeks if he stepped on him....so how is it morally wrong to pull out your gun on a advancing passenger from a traffic stop that in all retrospect...looks like a set up to me...you are not a cop...and if you are...G-D help the officers that have to work with you...pondering morality is a luxury that most working cops can'nt afford....you are a perfect picture of why people despise Meeks and his sniveling cohorts...morality indeed...when you hide behind the color of your skin instead of standing on the contents of your character....now thats morally wrong...
Just figured out who the poster of "The Sgt. was morally wrong" is....not a police officer for sure....my bet is on this is one of the CPDs new recruits...probably female...but who knows...they are all equally ;pussys........
techically the sgt. was within his rights according to department policy, but morally he was wrong.
Who gives a rats a** about "morally correct"
How about I want to go home at the end of my shift. A traffic stop is not about ... well morally should I have stopeed this idiot or morally should I lock up this gangbanger ... its about the law - plain and simple. And I would'nt know Meeks if he stood next to me!
You can bet that racial profiling is in full effect , especially in the 018th district. The bosses of the 018th district should be ashamed of themselves. You had better not be a black man driving a nice car or riding a nice motorcycle. You can count on being stopped and issued citations for whatever these young white officers could find in the MCC or IVC. And if you're an african american police officer, you had better watch out because not only will these racist cops write you a ticket but they'll see to it that you're convicted and your good name smeared all across the city. What happen to the good ole days when officers gave other officers profession coutesy. I guess these white officer would have to see black men, especially other coppers as being professional huh? And by the way. All Harley Davidson Motorcycles have straight pipes and emit exhaust noise. If you wasn't so busy drinking and gambling and trickin all of your money away. You to can have some of the finer things in life and not hate on the brothers who do. Brothers Beware. Stay out of the 018th district, the breeding ground of the modern day klan.
Isnt Rev Meeks on those self ordained half wit ministers?
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