Wednesday, November 09, 2005

An Attempt at Positive News

OK, not really positive news, but an attempt to show that we can be positive.

Regardless of cost, political considerations or the like, how would/could you improve the department? Please note - this is an open board and a large number of bosses congregate here (yes, they write to us, they talk about us and they even mention us at roll calls). If they see your idea and steal it, we can't be held responsible if they make exempt rank off of your suggestions. Post at your own risk.

Lets try to stay on topic, please. And no BS like "eliminate the current command staff" or "replace everyone with whiney robots" or stuff like that. Let's at least pretend to be positive for once.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do whatever it takes to remove political patronage, nepotism, cronyism and clout from corrupting the de facto promotion and assignment policies and practices of this police department.

Let professionalism, true merit and excellence break the stranglehold of political interference and make all of us proud of the CPD.

11/09/2005 05:52:00 AM  
Blogger IMPARTIAL said...


11/09/2005 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first step is with ourselves. We can't even work together as a team, how can we help improve the Department. I now there are "dogs", but some do try. I learned very early on, with this job, if everyone did their job, this would be fun again. We need to stop being our own worst enimies. Once we become a team then we work on what he said above, make promotions fair. Ok, that being said, I am ready for my beating.

11/09/2005 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering how long it will take the City to claim that the heroic actions displayed by Sgt. "Rock" from 021 are a result of CAPS.

11/09/2005 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey 07:33:40 Im right with ya Office! wouldnt it be nice.

11/09/2005 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK whats the truth in this? I heard that the city is finally thinking of rostering an OFF DUTY day. So we can man downed cars by utilizing coppers on their RDO. Now its only straight time but so is special. Id do it in a heart beat. About time somebody used their brains. When does it start i think its a great idea. It also can help a copper get a day off when needed.

11/09/2005 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WAAAAAAYYYYY back in the mid ot late 70's, special employment was in the Districts. You could work an extra day for straight time, not cash,but everyone still gained the benefits.

11/09/2005 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is pretty much an impossibility, but I will throw it out there. What irks me is the fact that people can be "house mouses" for the entire first 5-6 years on this job and then are eligible to take a detective's test or a sergeant's test - without having spent as much as 6-9 months on the street (i.e. the radio person, the desk, at HQ). If there was an additional requirement that to take a promotional test you must have spent xxx amount of days/weeks/years working the street, it might strengthen morale/patrol/detective div., etc.

11/09/2005 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I made sergeant with just under 10 years on the job, so this may be hypocritcal but I think that no one should be promoted to Sergeant with less than 10 years on the job. No one should be promoted to Detective with less than 5 years. Lieutenants promotion should require a minimum 15 years of experience.

Also, sorry, but I think it would benefit everyone if ONLY supervisors with previous detective unit experience went back to the dectective units and not just the guy with the best phone call.

Just an idea, but experience really does count.

11/09/2005 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more, 9:41 AM.

EVERYBODY must pay their dues to wear the star. I hold the housemice and empty-holstered paper shufflers in utter contempt.

It's alright AFTER they've paid their dues for several years. Otherwise, hire them as civilian, non-sworn clerks, secretaries, meter maids, etc. at far less salary. Working the STREETS of a FAST district and prolific numbers of Part I FELONY arrests should be a prerequisite to a career in the CPD, not to even mention promotions.

I also believe that ALL Detective Division supervisors be required to have extensive field experience in the D.

11/09/2005 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a no-brainer:


Talk about a morale booster, eliminating that 6th straight day would surely help!

No to mention that everyone I know who has done the 10 hour days, from Housing to the pilot districts, LOVED it!

11/09/2005 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to see a change in the way that recruits are being taught in the academy.

A tougher, more military type atmosphere is in order there. In the last 10 years it has changed to a high school like environment and the quality and attitudes of the recruits coming out shows this. Little to no respect for supervisors or experienced officers, and a severe lack of street smarts/integrity needed to back up other officers when the shit hits the fan.

When I went through there, Jim Marsh would beat the shit out of you for disrespecting any the academy personel or Gus Tero would make you do the leaning rest until you cried if you were dogging it in the gym. Now days, everyone is treated with kid gloves and the instructors are all worried about getting launched or sued by a recruit!

It appears that the current training methods are strictly a Cover Your Ass cuuriculum for the City and NOT a curriculm geared towards making effective, and safe police officers and leaders.

11/09/2005 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

elimination of the 6th day would be a great morale booster. the dept. should look at rosemont, oaklawn, and other depts. who have stopped using the 6th day.

i was a house mouse, who got tired of the politics and asked to go back to the district level. i was surprised at how much thing changed over the course of the time i was inside. i would like to see everyone in an inside position do a 3 month tour on the street actually working a beat car. this would keep them up to speed. enhance morale. and i mean really work the street, not sit, do nothing close market.

11/09/2005 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Academy is only doing what the City wants it to do, which is to create an atmosphere of fear. Fear of CR#s, lawsuits, and losing your job. Protect yourself at all costs. The reason is because that's the society we live in now.

11/09/2005 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little pride in our work would be nice. The city screws us and we stop caring it becomes about the first and the 16th. We can still do this job even with all the B.s the city throws at us. I also agree time in patrol should be mandatory no going right to a unit. everyone should go to radio calls and see what it is like. take care of the workers and even the guys who dont bring in numbers but dont hide from jobs. bring back the band of brothers feeling and we will overcome

11/09/2005 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This identical question was presented to me at an interview conducted by Charlie Roberts when he was new and recruiting instructors at the Academy under his command in 94/95.

Improve the department by a pro active public information program.
Stop being a knee jerk , after the fact, and defensive organization.

When a member like "Rochowicz" acts in a way to bring credit upon us all as professional police officers blitz the media. In his case they did a fair job.

There are acts continuously however that go unannounced and unappreciated. We all know this. Get them out to the public in an expedicious manner and not just on channel 5.

Our office of news affairs needs drop the anchor man approach and push the daily grind into the public eye. There will be no lack of material believe me...

That was my answer.

Lazy supervisors should realize the importance of the "atta boy".
Give the honorable mention when it's due. Keep the officers who work happy , even though it's just a piece of paper. Sometimes it's all they get.

Detectives could show more respect for the beat personnel as well.

Be careful.
Tully , retired.

11/09/2005 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about everyone has to work a "fast" district for , lets say 5 years , before being assigned to a slower district. A few years ago recruits were doing the training in slower districts and staying there after their probation , they aren't exposed to enough in these districts.

11/09/2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know it's controversial and many will disagree (and no I'm not a boss) but I think the city should do away with the current medical roll system and give everybody one sick day a month. All sick days roll over to the start of the next year and there is no maximum you can accumulate.

No more bullshit trips down to 35th St to deal with no parking and long waits. The department can save money by drastically reducing the manpower there, not to mention the huge savings in lost manpower due to the "frequent flyers." No more dog asses abusing the system. No more sick days? Come to work or you don't get paid.

The working guys who are genuinely sick can actually take off without burning comp time as so many do now. The city can still do medical checks at the wc's discretion to eliminate sick days as "work my side job days." Catastrophic illnesses (cancer, etc.) can be dealt with by our disability policy. Optional short term disability policies can be purchased by members or the department to cover the in betweeners.

I think that the morale of the everyday worker would improve if these dog asses were made to come to work (most) everyday. Comp time would be easier to use as manpower issues would improve in every district and unit. We could all benefit if we used this concession at contract time to gain something we really want (I'm partial to eliminating the sixth working day too coming from public housing--it was great!) but I'll settle for a bigger raise.

11/09/2005 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Detroit PD said...

You can never underestimate the intelligence of the Motown electorate. Despite widespread scandals, incumbent Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has been reelected. God help us!

11/09/2005 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd agree that the Medical Roll should go. It's a nice perk if you happen to get injured off duty, or have a serious illness, but it gets abused terribly.

I know many coppers that would rather call in and ask for comp time when they are sick, rather than #1 deal with the hours long waits at the Med Section, and #2 get labeled as a Medical abuser or even be thought of in the same category as some of the slugs who hit the medical for weeks at a time because of a cold or cramps or some other bullshit.

I think Vegas has 14 sick days a year and they are allowed to sell back whatever days they don't use each year. Sounds good to me!

11/09/2005 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about issuing back bones to supervicory personnell

11/09/2005 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you crazy never give the City Back any of our Medical Benefits!! Maybe some kind of reward system for P.O.'s say that use less than 21 days a year.That way it will be easier to keep track of the abusers. I would elimimate the position of District Commander, its a position thatis not needed, you have a Captain on every watch running it the way he/she sees fit. Then why need a commader? The Area deputy will be enough to hold each capt. accountable when shit isnt going right,plus the area deputy already has the last say on what goes on in each area.Get rid of that damn 6th work day!!I wish the dept. would realize how demoralizing it is to the p.o.'s who dont work inside and have s/s off.Have a different pay scale for all the p.o.'s that work inside ie;D2 for house mouses D2a for working patrol, etc... down the line. Open up every unit in the dept. for testing and only the best qualified person gets the spot no clout!!!!Try a pilot program on take home vehicles. I think the city would save money in the long run because the vehicle will have some sense of ownership to the p.o. therefore better maitainance and less abuse. Get rid of residency rule.And last stop hiring these fat useless broads!!!!

11/09/2005 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous ten weeks left to go said...

1243 is absolutely correct

11/09/2005 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Former ADS SHAVER was a VERY close friend to DALEY. Daley insisted when Shaver took over the academy from the former Marine ADS he make it "more of a college campus" type environment. We can only image to many connected kids were crying so Daley wanted it changed. MANY instructors were bounced out of the academy to make room for the new changes.

Now Shaver is out because of a illness. With ADS Tobis one can wonder what will happen now, Tobis answers to CLINE and not Daley. Perhaps Richie has other things on his mind now that police academy problems and the department can have more of a free hand in running the place.

One thing is for sure... some of these new coppers are a joke. No discipline and totally out of control. We know there is a particular type of element that will continue to fu%k up as long as the department keeps hiring them. However, possibly something can be done to get rid off these recruits before they are off probation. Also, A GREAT IDEA would be to come out with better paperwork to CLEARLY document the screw-ups of these PPOs when they are on the street. With clear, concise documentation you can launch their asses and it would hold up when the lawsuits come in.

11/09/2005 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

drop the residency rule and watch your home now decrease in value drastically ! Where do you go now,
buy a house in Oak pay 500,000. with only 150,000 in your pocket?

NEVER give up the medical...are you guys thinking at all?

How about taking the cars away from "bosses"... What would that save the city per year? Cars are perks, any boss with a day job in any unit has no need for a private city car parked in his / her driveway all night long. That's bullshit and an EXPENSIVE waste.

11/09/2005 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about instead of getting rid of the current medical system , GET RID OF THE ABUSERS. Why should the majority ie-non medical abusers lose the benefit because of the small group who do abuse it.

11/09/2005 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about detailing Area 3 HGS detectives to other "busy" Areas so they remember how good they have it and maybe they'll do a better job in their own area. Nothing crazy, just a 90 day detail to Areas 4 and 5. Sort of like taking gang teams from slower districts and sending them to help out in the busier districts. It'll keep em sharp and on their toes. Just a thought.

11/09/2005 01:09:00 PM  
Blogger Nu2dablog said...

How about detailing Area 3 HGS detectives to other "busy" Areas so they remember how good they have it and maybe they'll do a better job in their own area. Nothing crazy, just a 90 day detail to Areas 4 and 5. Sort of like taking gang teams from slower districts and sending them to help out in the busier districts. It'll keep em sharp and on their toes. Just a thought.

11/09/2005 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger Nu2dablog said...

How about detailing Area 3 HGS detectives to other "busy" Areas so they remember how good they have it and maybe they'll do a better job in their own area. Nothing crazy, just a 90 day detail to Areas 4 and 5. Sort of like taking gang teams from slower districts and sending them to help out in the busier districts. It'll keep em sharp and on their toes. Just a thought.

11/09/2005 01:11:00 PM  
Blogger Nu2dablog said...

sorry about the double post. I forgot to log in; won't happen again.

11/09/2005 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a Blog thread entitled "Perk Review" that reveals current perks , all units, overt and covert, liasons and detailed included.

List the perk, the entitlee, and projected cost saving if eliminated.

The dollar amount saved would not be returned to general funds but applied to the unit budget of the perk holder. It might tighten up the "entitled" and show them not to flaunt their wealth.

A Lt. on this job makes enough money why kick in a unit assignment
AND a car. An acting DC needs a car
on two watches only.

11/09/2005 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about getting rid of the security detail at 35 and michigan. If the bosses are afraid tell them to put on a gun and a vest. 1 guy used to work the lobby at 11th and state now there are about 50 P.O.'s assigned to protect the bosses. put this manpower on the street.

11/09/2005 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a good blog post.
There is an underlying quality, I hope bosses and admin are paying attn

keep up the positive work

11/09/2005 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

positive news an off duty Sgt. chased down and caught a strong arm robbery Off yesterday on 95th st. the shitbird just walked up and clocked a lady grabbing her purse. everyone who lives in 022 has to patrol the area off duty because no one else does. (well I started off positive)

11/09/2005 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many P.O's Guard 35th st.?

11/09/2005 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC: I'm not sure where to put this but it has been really bugging me. We all bitch about the "merit" promotions, but I want to know if there is something that can be done about it. On this list that just came out I personally know three individuals that were put in for meritorious Sgt. and did NOT make it. In my opinion, and I think most would agree, these people were extremely qualified. The type of guys you want to work for. All have some time on the job ranging between 10 and 20 years. All working guys, patrol, tact, etc. All very knowledgeable and laid back, no attitudes. Two of the three are big medal recipients, award of valor and above for getting into shootings, killing dude and surviving. All well deserving! On the other hand I also know of two people that were put in and made it who are not even close to the same qualifications as the three people I previously mentioned. I am very serious so try to stay on topic. If we were to have "merit" people of the list discovered and match up the resumes of people that did make it against people that did not, would it be possible to file a lawsuit. I think it wouldn't be that hard to figure out. Some of this is absolutley blatant. Ex. house mouse resume v. working copper but house mouse gets promoted. There has to be a way to sue based on the true definition of merit, not the Chicago definition. Please don't read into this and no I'm not one of the guys. I'm just a freind who is really bothered by the fact that three guys who I would think are shoe ins didn't make it. I really want to hear what people think. Serious answers. We all like to bitch about it but we don't do anything about it. There is a way to change everything and coppers can be very creative. Just once lets get together and do something. Thanks! Getting ridiculous.

11/09/2005 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boses need the company car so when they go out drinking they dont get a DUI.Claen house at research/development. Get rid of all these 2yr. on the job college nerds deciding,developing procedures,equipment and eveything we do in patrol, when none of these fucks ever used thier cuffs on anyone!!Give does spots to 20 yrs. on the job working p.o. who knows what the woking police need out there on the field. How about no more sined complaints?Give a report and intructions on to obtain a summons. All this B.S.arrests on hearsay by victim. Less off. in lockup,less hands on affecting the arrest,less lawsuits,less court costs,fuck the you want to sign complaint option and the infamous named offender go get them tact pinch!!!

11/09/2005 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said... are the police everywhere not just where you live......

11/09/2005 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to sound mean. But just study if it means doing less work or taking more time off JUST STUDY and don't worry about being a Merit spot.

11/09/2005 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ideas of less pay for desk jobs are valid unless you have a certain amount of years on the job...another perk that should be taken away from inside people with straight days and weekends off is the shift differential check....Why do these people get this check when they do not work 3rd or 1st watches?????

11/09/2005 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Study is good and correct if you learn by reading off the written page.

Merit was designed for the P.O. who might not be the best test taker but had "it"... Had the police ability and the hands on aptitude to surpass the egg heads on the job. Merit is meant for the exceptional copper, the doer, proven ability and deserving by proven excellence.
The word related to or knows "...."
was never intended.
A good and fair boss knows who they should be. Too bad they don't speak up themselves. A boss should lead by example reward the deserving,
maybe the best way to fix this department is to give boss classes taught by patrol officers.

11/09/2005 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All excellent ideas above: 1) eliminate the sixth working day; 2) reinstate mimimum tenure for promotion (to Sgt., Lt., etc.); 3) eliminate duty avail. pay for everyone, reinstate it for those working 1st and 3rd watch; 4) instead of eliminating the medical, eliminate the abusers (but to do that, the medical section has to convert into a treating facility, instead of a "paper reviewing" facility. Presently, they are not indemnified to do that; the City needs to competely revamp and reform the Medical Section (i.e., either hire doctors, etc., or contract out physician services (but you see what happened with the current provider (Occupational Health - phony/non-existent exams, tests, etc.); 5) eliminate/reduce "merit" on promotions? That would have to come from the FOP, as part of negotiations (the City would never give the % up, w/o fighting it hard); 6) institute a "hire-back" system, ala the CFD, so that P.O.'s can get time due (maybe the eventual outcome of the pending lawsuit); 7) eliminating political influence in the CPD? It rests with two people: the Supt., and the Mayor. Any Supt. who would stand up and tell politicians and/or the Mayor, No!, would be a breath a fresh air; there hasn't been a Supt. in the last 100 years willing to do that, nor has there been a Mayor with the spine to allow political/professional freedom to his/her Supt......

11/09/2005 02:00:00 PM  
Blogger Nu2dablog said...

There is a strange dichotomy on this job. We come together as a brotherhood to help any officer in need, but as soon as that brother is on his feet we would stop at nothing to stab him in the back if he was getting something another officer feels is a better deal.

We have no true unity as clearly evidenced by many of the comments on this blog; not necessarily this thread. How do we improve the job? We can't if we can't even come together as one voice when it comes to our contract or working special.

We come off being this big blue united brotherhood, but we couldn't be more divided. Whether it's by race or by dog/worker or veteran/new guy.

This job would improve if we were able to come together with one voice, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Special employment is one example; why work it for anything less than time and a half? If guys tried to boycott it, there would be other officers waiting in line to cross the line and snatch up the work.

We have no unity and that's what we need to improve the department.

11/09/2005 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

great post until #7. How could any Supt. stand up to a Mayor and say no when the Mayor is the one who made him Supt?

11/09/2005 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still wondering why the detectives get D2A over the guys who are tied to that radio and doing the actual work out there, the district personel. Having been a detective and now a sergeant, I can honestly say that the patrolmen, for the most part, are the ones who deserve the higher pay.

I guess every regime must have it's slaves/foot soldiers.

11/09/2005 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


it'll not make you mad.

Just like Google with a different flavor. Use the washroom first or you'll shit yourself.

nice spinners

11/09/2005 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How about detailing Area 3 HGS detectives to other "busy" Areas so they remember how good they have it and maybe they'll do a better job in their own area. Nothing crazy, just a 90 day detail to Areas 4 and 5. Sort of like taking gang teams from slower districts and sending them to help out in the busier districts. It'll keep em sharp and on their toes. Just a thought.

11/09/2005 01:09:24 PM


I second this.

11/09/2005 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish sergeants would turn in the comp time slips from the female officers that are blowing all the sergeants out there.

11/09/2005 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor has it the female coppers on the southside Districts put out more than the female coppers on the northside.

11/09/2005 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the 6 day week.
Wheeling P.D. works a 6 day week.
The difference is that they are then off 3 days EVERY week.
Weekends come around quicker, work a side job one day and still have 2 days off. Sounds good to me.

11/09/2005 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I wish sergeants would turn in the comp time slips from the female officers that are blowing all the sergeants out there.

11/09/2005 02:42:25 PM "

What district is this happening in and are there any bid spots for sgts open? * unzips and starts tearing up the yellow slips *

11/09/2005 02:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I wish sergeants would turn in the comp time slips from the female officers that are blowing all the sergeants out there.

11/09/2005 02:42:25 PM "

How would that affect you in any way? What's the matter, can't get any time, or can't get any head? Moron.

11/09/2005 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe some equipment that works. The PDT's are a joke and the dept makes it harder to work without one. everything is done on computer now and the computers are crap. Maybe have inspectors answer calls for the district there riding in, maybe big bird could get his fat ass to some domestics insted of looking at our boots. call for help fatso were comming but first I have to shine my shoes

11/09/2005 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 3:18, why not just wear the uniform as you are supposed to and you wouldn't have to worry about an inspector?

It's hilarious when people cry about getting busted for uniform violations. Yes, it is pimpy, however if you can't even dress yourself properly, what the hell makes you think you deserve any special treatment?

11/09/2005 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the unit which investigates medical roll abusers ?? Thought they were going to crack down on them .

11/09/2005 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Rumor has it the female coppers on the southside Districts put out more than the female coppers on the northside.

11/09/2005 02:44:14 PM
And the male coppers in the Northside Districts want to blow the male coppers in the Southside Districts.

11/09/2005 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's obvious that the 3rd watch is now on this blog.

Days kept it on track.

Re-read the post.

You guys are pin heads and there was a great thread going.

I give a shit

11/09/2005 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck merit all together if you are a dumb fucking minority and can't pass to fuckin bad. to every other
officer keep studying and at first you don't succeed try try again

11/09/2005 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I see it, there are two main problems with the CPD. Everyone is hitting close to the mark, but allow me to summarize it:

1.) Fear of lawsuits
2.) Positions are merely spots

This Dept is in major trouble, and a burning-Paris scenario could occur within the next 20 years. This dept is soft and getting softer. A 14+ day riot will bring this city to it's knees. The reason it is so soft is that is how the pol's and the bosses want it to be.

Everyone is afraid of lawsuits. The new chase policy is the fruit from the withered tree of fear. If that car Sgt. Rocowitz (sp?) was investigating didn't stop on it's own, he would not be a hero today, because the chase would have been called off based on traffic reasons. That woman would be another statistic, and the Sarge would be one step closer to total bitterness. Altho the bosses fear the high homicide rates, they would rather have that grandmother dead than loose another $17M to another dead Asian woman.

The only way to counter this fear is for City Hall to stop it in it's tracks now before it gets too far. The only way to stop it is to pass sweeping PUBLIC SERVICE TORT REFORM. No longer should the City and it's taxpayers be an ATM to criminals, bums, and other such types. How can a jury find the dept 75% culpable for the death of that Asian woman when she was struck by a aggressively fleeing criminal. This has to stop. Public service tort reform is a necessity, or Chicago will one day burn like Paris.

Secondly, the rotting core of this dept can only be blamed on ourselves. Good positions go to wrong people. Every position is merely a spot. Consider the latest Det's test and secret study groups with the answers being passed out. Where more do you need your best and brightest, but the D unit? How can we look the citizens in the eye when we can't solve their crimes, because daddy's didn't give use THOSE answers? The reason is nobody cares. The D unit is just another spot.

One intelligent blogger brought up a media blitz campaign. When an officer does some heroic deed, get it out there. That is a fantastic idea! Let's share some stories. Let's tell the people about the GOOD things we do! But let's find out who is in News Affairs. Who are these people? Are they savy masters of political spin? No they are not. It's just another spot.

How about the new and improved SWAT team? Shouldn't that have be opened up to the entire dept? Is SOS the only place you find top notch shooters? A city-wide fitness and shooting test should have been offered. A 500 man list made and the top 100 taken. If one of those 100 fall you have the farm-team in training ready to go. But once again nobody cares and SWAT is merely a spot.

The only way to fix this is to poll the dept. We have lawyers and accountant and gun nutz. Former financial employees and fitness geeks. Let the house mice ride the pine, because I don't want to. Let the gangbangers back in, but have a legit IAD follow them right back the hive.

This dept has SO much wasted talent.

11/09/2005 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous QUID PRO QUO said...

Re: giving in on benefits-
(The Medical/6th Work Day/Residency)

I agree with "never give back" (12:43 PM)
Does the city "give back" on a major issues easily?
It's like a game of chess- if you can trade a piece to take away a stronger piece of the opponent, ultimately strengthening your hand, then it may be worth the pain of that sacrifice.

But NEVER give away valuable working conditions for some "ponzi" pawn pieces, or because the poor department frowns upon the actual use of the benefit! Boo-freakin' hoo! Hire more Police already!

Five 10 hour days is NOT progress! (Five x 8 hrs is!) What a coincidence that we "tied" on the alternate 6th day pilot test votes a while back, hence these bizarre shell game pilot programs persist! (what were the odds of a TIED vote?)

They want to limit the Medical?

What do they have to surrender?:




(i.e. 6th-plus day(s) WITH O.T. pay)

It's a actually a shame we have to bargain away one benefit that was previously won for another (that in and of itself is not true "progress" in improving our working conditions!)

But since we have no real labor leverage in terms of strike or slowing of labor (and since our "union" brass on occasion gets quite cozy with our bargaining opponent) it seems all we truly have is either arbitration and/or


(Latin for "this for that", many times understood by English speakers as "what for what" or "something for something") is used to mean, in the English speaking world, a favour for a favour (in other linguistic contexts, such as Portuguese and French, it means a misunderstanding, a confusion - to take the this for a that and quid pro quo is quoted as do ut des, latin for "I give, so that you give"). Quid pro quo is a legal term for the transaction of valued items or favours, in return for giving something of value. For a contract to be binding, it usually must involve consideration, that is, the exchange of something of quantifiable value, however, quid pro quo is widely used in the context of describing political favours, as given in apparent exchange for money. It is also widely known as one of the two legally recognized types of sexual harassment.

For democratic public officials with special powers of government, favours given in quid pro quo constitute a breach of the public trust and a dishonest circumventing of the democratic process for special interests. In the context of political favours, quid pro quo, being secretive, may find widely varied avenues for how such transactions (believed quid pro quo) might take place. Among these are straight favours for cash transactions, political campaign contributions, third-party campaigns and related assistance, and favours for favours (quite common in government). The last, favours for favours, refers to officials of different capacities, each in league with special interests, similar or otherwise; exchanging favours, based on an estimated equality of their value. (Sound like anybody WE know...???)

11/09/2005 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANybody who says get rid of the medical is a house mouse kiss ass. What about when your kid tackles you and your knee pops out. Your idiots for even thinking of giving anything back to the city. I agree about banging the abusers.

11/09/2005 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the unit which investigates medical roll abusers ?? Thought they were going to crack down on them .

11/09/2005 03:23:33 PM

It never got started, even though we never got a front page article about THAT like we did when they said they were going to be starting one.

I think right now they have a person from IAD checking who went on the Medical in the last 24 hours and then comparing that to a list of "frequent flyers". I'm not sure what happens if they find an abuser. Probably nothing.

I think when they sent that Lt. "Hootie" to Medical Section as a C/O they straightened out a bunch of people that were on Medical for months with no real explaination.

I think they even moved to fire two or three of them. One woman even got arrested for theft after they found out that while she was on the Medical, she was also working full time in the Army reserves, AND working as a stripper down in some southeren state all at the same time. I don't remember if the Army arrested her or we did, I just remember seeing her marched out of the Medical Section in handcuffs while still wearing her fatigues.

I think since Hoot took over, they are at least putting pressure on the people who are blatant about it, but I'm not sure that there is a lot that they can do about it the way the orders and contract stands. If they are at home, and have a doc's note, what can you do to them?

11/09/2005 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous 1-900-blow-my-nose said...

I agree- get the scofflaws and the system is fine. I thought that phone self-release system made good sense a few years back- was it THAT bad in tems of numbers or did they just not like giving us that much reasonable freedom in actually using the sick roll? (I think I'd curtailed the one day into three syndrome too- you think that would have made up for the folks who usually never used it otherwise?!)


Will the department try to "SHUT DOWN" medical use if we get hit hard in the future?
Lay Eggs at Work with no choice?? QUACK!!

11/09/2005 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was my idea to change the medical policy. Not get rid of it, but change it. I agree that medical roll abusers should be fired, and I do blame the city for not doing that. But why not use their incompetence to our advantage?

The city wants to change our medical. We can use this as leverage. We can allow them to change it (to a generous policy that doesn't screw working coppers)in exchange for other considerations: reducing merit percentages, elimination of the 6 day week or higher than average pay raises. Things we cannot get under normal bargaining.

I want it to be clear that I do not favor giving up our medical policy, simply altering it. The reality is that the medical as we know it will undoubtably change in the future. The city has already expressed interest in changing it. If it ever goes to arbitration, we may lose it as we are one of a very few departments that have such a generous policy. The Mayor himself does not have the medical policy we have. We are the only union in the city who has it. These are the facts an arbitrator looks at when making rulings. We could very easily lose this policy in arbitration, why not get heavy concessions now before it is taken away?

Changing the policy will not have an adverse affect on working cops, who pride themselves in not using the medical. Actually it will help them. More time due will be granted because a better percentage of workers will show up each day. No more reporting to 35th St. Coppers won't be penalized for medical use and won't burn 8 hours comp time rather than stay home when sick.

Although there is a lot that would need to be worked out in regards to long-term sicknesses, whether unused medical time could be sold back, carried over, etc. I believe this program could work well.

And not to compare apples to oranges, but many employees in the private sector get as few as 4 sick days a year. Need more? Than buy short term disability insurance.

It wasn't (and never will be) my intention to give the City anything. If we were to agree to a program like this, we'd have to be compensated heavily. We'd have to make the City hurt.

11/09/2005 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want to cut down on the medical abuse? Rat out your fellow officers who you know are frauding the City.

11/09/2005 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'd be NUTS to give back the medical at any cost! What happens to the 30 yr. vet who has a major heart attack? The last time I was on the medical was about 12 yrs. ago, but it's nice to know it's there if you need it. The city should crack down on the abusers, but there's so many B.S. doctors out there that'd go along with the Officer, so that'd be next to impossible. But, something HAS to be done to get these dog asses back to work, so time due wouldn't be as much an issue!

11/09/2005 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The department I came from worked a straight 6-3 six on three off. There would be three men to a car with either a A, B or C day of group. So it always over lapped. If they are set on keeping the 6 day work week we should try that.

11/09/2005 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can tell you why det's get "D2A"'s because they cried about how over worked they were and how nobody else in the department does any work but them when the FTO'S got D2 pay.

11/09/2005 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You young guys are not thinking !

NEVER give back the medical...You're going to lose it anyway.

Fuck raises.

Rosty has his hands in your pockets, take it back.

Pension is your future, protect it and invest in its' improvement.

Spouse annuity sucks. Why?

Unite, vote, live long & healthy,
take your heads out of the sand

11/09/2005 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whos rosty

11/09/2005 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 2013 we are going to lose our paid medical from ages 60-65
today it amounts to about 35,000.
What did we get to replace it?

Bend over

11/09/2005 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detectives get D2A because of the Fire Contract. Once again the lack of unity. Instead of being happy that some fellow officers are getting something, let's be pissed that it's not us. If you make Detective you wouldn't say a word about D2A.

11/09/2005 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 2013 we are going to lose our paid medical from ages 60-65
today it amounts to about 35,000.
What did we get to replace it?

Bend over

11/09/2005 05:04:50 PM

What do you mean we are going to lose our medical..

11/09/2005 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


1:38:30 PM and 3:50;11 PM

Thanks for the "study harder" tips, boss.

You are soooooooooo full of shit!

11/09/2005 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the city would consider 6 of 9 a giveback to the police. Think of it in whole period-rotation terms.

7 nine day periods is 63 days (9 weeks). Total worked for 6 of 9 days over the 63 days is 42 days.

Currently, Sunday to Sunday, those on rotations and str8s work five of seven. Total is 45 days.

In other words, we'd be working 3 days less of every 63. Approximately 18 days less of every 378.

What do you think the city will ask for in return? First born? Left nuts? Campaign contributions for Daley and co.? Cuz they ain't giving it up for free.

But if its just a vote to make things better, than I vote aye! Gimme my 6 of 9!

11/09/2005 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11/09/2005 05:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you mean we are going to lose our medical..

11/09/2005 05:12:33 PM

Front page of the Times last year: The City will not be paying for medical insurance after 2013.

11/09/2005 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you want it in a nutshell?? Personnel Order 2005-072
from:003 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Lisa
from:157 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Karen
from:009 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Judith
from:650 to: Ofc of 1st Dep-Loretta
from:002 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Faith

11/09/2005 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New seniority math, for everthing but pension. Since seniority should demonstrate the time you work

Seniority = time on job - medical used + late pinches and court time

11/09/2005 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11/09/2005 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from:003 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Lisa
from:157 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Karen
from:009 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Judith
from:650 to: Ofc of 1st Dep-Loretta
from:002 to: Ofc of 1st Dep--Faith

Glad to see I'm not the only one to notice that!

Un-fucking-believeable! Talk about living up to your stereotype! The First Pimp's office must be a hell of a place to work, what with all that raging estrogen.

11/09/2005 06:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seniority = time on job - medical used + late pinches and court time

So seniority should be based on how much overtime you can weasel out of the Department? Get real, cowboy.

11/09/2005 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video taping interviwes is not illegal and goes on every day at the areas. I am not saying I agree with it but it is legal.

11/09/2005 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous sleaze said...

"five glazed donuts"

Lisa, Karen, Judy, Loretta and Faith are all the REAL PO-lice.

Their "SKILLS" for the First Deputy's office are WORLD CLASS. Way to go, girls!

11/09/2005 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now I know why the 5th Floor reeked like fish. I thought it was just Phil's lunch!

11/09/2005 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great career move, "ladies". Within a decade, most of you will haven "earned" your gold star. Do your kegels and work on that gag reflex.

11/09/2005 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous PO Anna Nicole Smith said...

Wasp-waisted D-cupper hottie with doctorate in Tantric Fellatio seeks long-term relationship with generous exempt mentor.

11/09/2005 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Now I know why the 5th Floor reeked like fish. I thought it was just Phil's lunch!

11/09/2005 06:42:43 PM

Apparently it was Dana's lunch you were smelling.

OK those comments are pretty juvenile, but seriously, that man is a disgrace to this department. How blatant can you be?

11/09/2005 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 11/09/2005 06:14:04 PM :
They are all in the Domestic Violence Unit. Of course there are no men allowed in that Unit. Just ask the Sgt. -
She said: "NO MEN"
And inquiring minds want to know, just what does the DV Unit do?
And why can't any males work in it?

11/09/2005 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is illegal to tape interviews without the consent of the offender/witness. The ILCS were changed to remove a HOMICIDE offenders right to privacy. Everyone else still has it. There is no if, ands, or buts about it.

11/09/2005 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4 Days on 2 off no 3 day weekends. And if the city wants something in return grab your crotch and say right here. We could get what ever we wanted if we just stuck together. All we need to do is be on the same page. Emberass the mayor to no return and he would leave us alone. The mayor sux and we should be dragging his sorry ass all over the place.

11/09/2005 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...
4 Days on 2 off no 3 day weekends. And if the city wants something in return grab your crotch and say right here. We could get what ever we wanted if we just stuck together. All we need to do is be on the same page. Emberass the mayor to no return and he would leave us alone. The mayor sux and we should be dragging his sorry ass all over the place.

11/09/2005 07:35:37 PM

The truth is YOU CAN'T SPELL
so be glad you have a fucking job asshole!

I have never seen so many pussy bitching assholes on this job!

Most would be flipping burgers if they didn't have this job. And no the CPD badge doesn't make your small manhood any bigger either!

As for the sluts and tramp broads, they are worth NOTHING!

So keep complaining!

11/09/2005 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for sharing, "boss"!

I've won a spelling bee, "test well", am widely-respected, locked up hundreds of felons and have gotten nowhere. I have an aversion to sucking cock.

Should I "study harder" to advance? Am I a "cry baby"? Am I a "pussy bitching asshole"?

11/09/2005 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


sounds like you have been molested as a child by your father with all the anger built up in your passage!
you use the term "ashole"loosely apparently like your ass that your daddy opened up for you.

11/09/2005 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a workable 10 hour schedule for patrol:

Sgts. & POs Shift Hours:


Field Lts:

Desk Personnel:

Schedule for Day Off:
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
wk wk wk wk RDO RDO RDO
wk wk wk wk wk RDO RDO
RDO RDO wk wk wk wk RDO
RDO RDO RDO wk wk wk wk
RDO RDO RDO RDO wk wk wk
wk wk RDO RDO RDO wk wk
wk wk wk RDO RDO RDO wk
wk wk wk wk RDO RDO RDO

work approximately 2,080 hrs. compare to current 2,080 hrs.

approximately 156 days off compare to current 104 days off.

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
12 12 23 34 345 456 156
126 126 12 23 34 345 456
156 156 126 12 23 34 345
456 456 156 126 12 23 34
345 345 456 156 126 12 23
34 34 345 456 156 126 12
23 23 34 345 456 156 126
12 12 23 34 345 456 156

this will get rid of the 6th day
reduce the number of capts/lts/sgts. you need in patrol.
PO numbers would be increased as you will be intergrating 3 watches into 2.

11/09/2005 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just listed an example of the 10 hour schedule. the problem with anything new is that i'm sorry to say, we have idiots on this job who can not see beyond their own foot. eventhough a vast majority of us wants the elimination of the 6th day. i bet we would be split 50/50 on working 10 hours.

11/09/2005 08:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Sgt.Rochowicz quit writing about himself?
And trying to make it look like somebody else wrote it and praised him?
What a big pussy!

Get a life Sgt, life is more than police work!

Det. Maas A/2

11/09/2005 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rochowicz needs the praise now, because he never did shit as a P.O.

11/09/2005 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the 10 hour day could be utilized in some units, but just think how burned out a number of cops and bosses would be. This 10 hour deal can and will interfere with picking up and dropping off kids at school, parttime gigs and yes YOU WILL be tired from two more hours in that squad car. If people want to sign on for it and try it out, they should have that right, but if some of us want to do it the old way, well we should have that option. Think about the conflicts that can occur.

11/09/2005 08:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The politicians and most of the upper management of this police department are shameless, arrogant and incompetent.

Few of us realize that if you survey other large metropolitan police departments, you'd be amazed at how compelling your informed arguments could bring progressive personnel policies and professionalism to this corrupt and dysfunctional department. Be it promotion and assignment policies, residency, shift/district field pay differential, 4/10 shifts, etc., find out what's happening in the NYPD, LAPD, etc.

It should be the responsibility of the F.O.P. to research such data and publicize such surveys to the rank and file in their monthly newsletters.

For example, the concept of residency is unheard of in NYC & LA

11/09/2005 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

links to most departments contracts as well as other information

11/09/2005 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Three ideas
1. Get more input from rank and file P.O.s on R&D, orders, computer systems, etc.

2. Start utilizing the specialized skills of our staff better. I've heard a lot about how some house mouse could be replaced by a civilian, most of the time that is a REALLY BAD IDEA- civilians have no idea what is going on- even someone with only a few years on the street is better than a civilian. We have all sorts of coppers with various college, military, and previous work backgrounds: electronics, accounting, computers, diving, etc.- The positions that relate to these specialized skills should go to officers who have previous experience in these fields if at all possible- sometimes there won't be enough of these kinds of people to fill all the "spots" - but you should at least exhaust your pool of talent before grabbing some random (or connected) copper and trying to train them in a new skill.

3. Get the house mice out more often. Operation Closed Market, although mostly innefectual, is a step in the right direction. As a former house mouse I cannot tell you how valuable it was to at least hit the street once a week. If the department came up with some more meaningful use of this time it would be a great thing. These coppers need to maintain their street skills, and need to remember what the beat copper faces every day, not to mention lighten up the load faced by the rank and file who work in fast districts.

11/09/2005 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:35 PM

Ten hour shifts??? Poor baby. Obviously, you were not around when the district troops had to endure the torture of ROTATING shifts. The favorites always managed to work steady shifts, often days. One of the critical factors in change was the fact that all other major departments already had STEADY TOURS.

11/09/2005 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

easiest and most logical place to start with 10 hour days in patrol is with the 3rd watch 1600 and 1700 rapid response cars in the summer.

From April to October, there is a decent need for the manpower until 0200 or 0300 in 15 or 20 of 25 districts. You don't have to worry about shifting anyone else on any other watch, except to make sure that the RR cars can be staffed fully.

11/09/2005 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous 10 weeks to go said...

how about 4 days on 2 days off? Or 6 and 3?
How about duty availablity only for 1st and 3rd watch?
How about legt promotional tests and legit entrance tests?
How about letting the bosses work in beat cars once in a while so they dont forget from whence they came.
At least we dont rotate anymore That was barbaric

11/09/2005 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd go back to rotating in a heartbeat. There was camaraderie that is unheard of on straight watches!

11/09/2005 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:02 Rosty is the asshole former congressman who took away at least half your social security benefits if you work side jobs because you will receive a municipal pension. Daniel fucking liberal who fucked the working man........

11/09/2005 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous PO-PO UNITE!!! said...









11/09/2005 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous ten weeks short of 29 and a day said...

The comeraderie was due to the caliber of the employees charactar Not the shift rotation

I think that theres something wrong, make that many things wrong with hiring criteria.
Its waaaay too politically correct
The personality type they look for now is the problem
Im pro education but maybe its the college requirement
Or maybe its that society is producing a bunch of crybaby sissies who think theyre entitled to everything
But the problem is not straight shifts

11/10/2005 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:19:13 you must be rich daley on our blog.The medical is something that the coppers before us fought hard to get.It was intended to be like a security blanket for the what if. Only because a few p.o.'s abuse it on a regular bases (especially females)doesnt mean we give it up.These boses know who these dogs are, instead of inspectors trying to gig working coppers at court(who are making pinches)and W/C bitching that you didnt shave today. They all should be going after these dogs and making their lives at work miserable.The day they try and take our medical away chi-town should becaome another Paris!!!

11/10/2005 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when did parkers, movers and curfews actually deal with CRIME?
Revenue for the city, that's all.

Working guy's/gals who want to do the job get fucked with.

11/10/2005 02:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(1) rotating beat car personnel
(same partners but different beats, say once a month then change to different beat)
(2) double time for court secluded on your RDO
(3) adequate free parking for police only at all court houses
(4) Units are bid or tests
(5) City must take 30% off a test before re-testing (they get 30% why can't we)
(6) Some how force all Po’s to vote
(7) ability to buy back comp time every year

11/10/2005 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make the awards criteria more exact.Some years ago while on patrol,my partner and I encountered a 2-flat building on fire.As we were calling for fire,a citizen who lived next door shout"there are people upstairs!" My partner and I ran to the rear of the building,broke down the back door,climbed two flights of smoke filled stairs,forced open another door,and evacuated a elderly woman,a man,and two small children.While gathering information for our case report,our sector Sergeant complemented us on the job we did and told us he would reccomend us for a life saving award.The sergeant wrote the reccomondation,gave us each a copy,and forwarded it up the chain of command.We heard nothing else about it for about eight months.Then one day while in roll call,We recieve a honorable mention for "life saving."When we asked why not a life saving awrard,the district secretary told us"because the incident was not covered by the media,it did not rate a award."Call me stupid,but I always thought that in order to Win a life saving award,you had to save a life.I've seen officers in some districts solve crime patterns,capture fugitives,and help solve homocides without getting any recognition from the department.While I've seen other officers in other districts get departnent commendations for recovering a stolen vehicle.MAKE AWARD CRITERIA UNIFORM AND FAIR!

11/10/2005 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw a couple of coppers in a northside district get honorable mentions for going on bike patrol.
Work hard and lead the watch in 1's and guns and all you get is a pat on the back. Then some folks wonder why coppers turn into dogs.

This dept. doesn't want working officers. It wants officers who don't cost the city lawsuit money.It's cheaper for them to bury a copper than to pay off wrongful death lawsuit.

11/10/2005 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My partner and I got a D/C for an arrest in a robbery pattern. 20 plus robberies, home invasions, agg. batts. etc. At the ceromony a guy from O' Hare got a D/C for a bathroom tagger.

11/10/2005 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as the great philospher Ed Wodnicki(ret) says "too much college and not enough high school"

11/10/2005 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we need to get a referendum on the the ballot for the next city elections. The mayor can only serve two terms,aldermen can only serve three terms and cut their numbers in half.Police Supt. and Fire Comm. are selected by police/fire commitee and awared 4-5 yr. contracts that cannot be voided and hold these bosses responsible for the welfare of thier respected emplyees. That way they dont have to kiss the mayors ass.Since i touched on the topic of ALDERMEN-ALDERMAN, why hasnt the city gone politicaly correct with that title like they did with PATROLMAN title to POLICE OFFICER? They better check themselves before a female sues for discrimination!!

11/10/2005 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:23:42, I don't know who's full of shit here,you or the District secretary, but as a supervisor who has written up many Lifesaving Awards for well deserving Officers, I can assure you that the news media has absolutely NOTHING to do with you getting the award. The only part the newsmedia plays in it is that if it's a newsworthy incident your chances of it getting approved increase. It's written up by the Sgt. and goes right up the chain for approval. If you deserve it, you will get it. If not, you don't. All the work is done by the Sgt. as far as doing the actual paperwork for any award. All the rest in the chain merely approve or disapprove. As a matter of fact, I've never seen one disapproved. I smell a rotten fish here either in the Sgts. Office or the front office.

11/10/2005 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just so you know, every female on this job is NOT blowing anybody, and some work just as hard as any man... maybe harder.

11/10/2005 09:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lifesaving awards have to go through the Awards Committee therefor fewer get approved. A DC just has to go through your chain, across to one other deputy chief, the chief/or whatever in Patrol and to the first deputy - if all sign off on it, it's yours. The lifesaving award goes through a higher level of scrutiny as ALL the Deputy Superintendents have to approve it....

11/10/2005 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Just so you know, every female on this job is NOT blowing anybody, and some work just as hard as any man... maybe harder.

11/10/2005 09:05:22 PM

gotta be a hater

11/10/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"11/09/05 5:08" You are wrong and you must be a new det because in the det news letter around 1994 it explained exactly what I said. I have turned down "merit" det in the past because I would rather be a sgt. The det's arguement for the D2A pay used the fire departments scale in that there is a percentage separation between fire fighter and engineer.

11/11/2005 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You turned down "merit" dick to be a sgt? I didn't know it was an "either/or", unless you didn't want to burn your phone call for less money. You sound like a real winner. At least you are honest about being a slack jawed cock sucker.

11/11/2005 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 9:05(female copper)Name me at least one, all the ones I've seen never affect a arrest unless they are working w/a male partner and if two usless broads are together might as well not carry cuffs. But alot of dogging jobs,shopping,nails getting done,and a book of parkers will get done!!please dont kid youreself just go back under your desk open your mouth wide and say aahhhh!!!!you'll make a boss in no time.

11/11/2005 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know where you work but i've been on the west side my whole career and worked with some great women, self initiators, aggressive, defintiely the police, more so than alot of guys I worked with, but on the west side you don't have time to be getting your nails done etc. currently on mids in 011, there are some real aggressive female p.o's, used to be in 012 on afternoons and midnights awhile back too. Afternoons in 010 has some decent female workers also.

11/11/2005 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous northside said...

12:55:59 PM

Take your misogynistic bullshit elsewhere.

This job has supercops, dog-asses and most fall somewhere in between. All come in both genders and all colors. If the lady (1:29:55 PM)indeed works the graveyard shift in FILLMORE, she may well be but one of many outstanding female police officers, past and present.

Kathleen, a dear friend of mine, now a veterinarian, once worked the West Side and could tune up a resister with the best of them. While athletic and profane, she still maintained her femininty (and her great ass). Other ladies are very skilled at manipulating a huge mutt into a lamb where some male officers would end up with a 10-1 on their hands.

On the CPD's last double murder of police officers, PO Debbie Ippolito, then 025, was among the arresting officers that found the motherfucker hiding beneath a porch.

You rock, Fillmore girl!

11/11/2005 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

only because she was on the scene when the jagoff was caught dont nean shit,only that she is a paper jumper. The p.o. who actually caught the jagoff is currently in 016,you fucking goof, go back and try and get into these useless broads pants and leave the real police work to the boyzzzz!!

11/11/2005 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:05 are you dreaming??? Pushing papers and getting the boss who wants to get in your pants lunch doesn't constitute hard work. If the woman on this job wanted to be the police why do they take secretary jobs??? You are not fooling anybody.....

11/11/2005 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey. Northside.. your wrong about Debbie Ippolito,,she was on the scene after roman chevez was taken into custody,,by 2-guys from Gangs North under that porch,,she was not on paper anywhere except in the dick's sup's for guarding the porch area after he was taken into a/5.

11/11/2005 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

being on the scene and and actually putting hands on and cuffing a offender are totally two different animals. Wow she was on scene lets promote her!!! Can the real po po in 016 and on afternoons clarify the record?

11/11/2005 04:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did under 4:11:08

11/11/2005 04:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

o.k. she was on scene,how does she look that you are covering for her a little, H.B.??????

11/11/2005 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares if she was on the paper, she was out there on the manhunt with everyone else, not going the other way which is all that matters to me so stop hating..........

11/11/2005 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll tell you who the copper was that worked in Gangs North then and is now in 016. Harold Bone. He's the one that caught the piece of shit. But wait, could it be? A real Policeman working in 016? Must be a misprint, at least according to some of you guys who continually rag our brothers in blue that work in 016. Anyway, Harold and his partner (sorry, can't remember his name) caught the dude hiding under a porch. Sorry Northside, I got all the respect in the world for you but your wrong about Ippolito. May have been there but she didn't put her cuffs on him. And where is she today?

11/11/2005 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous northside said...

I just spoke with Harold Bone, 016, an outstanding police officer. The fact is that Harold and his partner, Frank Ortiz, Gangs North at the time, took down Roman Chavez under the front porch in the 2100 block of Harlem (Chicago side) about 0200 hrs..
Moments later, Debbie Ippolito and others arrived as back-up.

Like Greg Hauser and Ray Kilroy, Debbie worked for me and she was a good copper.

By the way, if 3:13:21 PM, the anonymous poster who called me a "fucking goof" would kindly contact me, perhaps we can "do lunch". Harold's got my phone number, asshole.

11/11/2005 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bone if you are so tough shut that PO Travis up and do some police work here in 016. Gang South has disbanded along time ago.....Oh and no there arent any good woman coppers all whores.....

11/11/2005 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous DocMac said...

Thanks for the compliment Northside. BTW, I've still got a great ass.

11/11/2005 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well i cant shut travis up or down,,and i was in gangs north,not south..i never said i was tough..and gang did break up in jan 93..before you got out of high school..and you said "do some work here in 016" that sounds like you live in 016,,why don't you come and work in the dist you live,and stop telling us how to be the police here. but you should really stay where you are working,,because i don't think you can handle getting 9-jobs a nite and have to go and handle them,without blowing them off like in the ghetto,,,because these people up here really do pay my salary..

11/11/2005 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 03:02....

Have not thought about Kathleen in about 10 yrs....
Worked w/her many a night....
Always felt she was as good or better than most men, myself included some nights....
Do you have any information where she is practicing?
My favorite Kathleen and Charlie story (ANOTHER GREAT COP)....
During election time, they quietly drove around the 15th District....
Comparing lists of registered voters to actual addresses....
One house had 7 voters....
Was a Field of Dreams, er weeds....
Perhaps the motto dhould have been "If you register them , they will vote"....
They compiled their results....
Mailed them to Media, Board of Elections, and Da U.S. Attorney....
All so nervous to touch the hot potato....
No one did a thing....
But Kathleen & Charlie had fun....

11/11/2005 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous HEY northside said...

HEY NORTHSIDE… You were half-bagged when Kilroy and Hauser were killed… who you kidding??

11/11/2005 09:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

every cop should give 100 percent that is why we are the police. supercops give 150 percent because they want to! the fucking dogs are just like the mutts on the street just collecting a check and not even giving 20 percent.
i would never help a mutt copper!
let the fucker lay there and dead!

11/11/2005 09:38:00 PM  

S U C K E R S ! ! !

You keep worken' hard morons!! When you get a cap in yo ass fo chasen the brotha wit a bag a weed -I come by an laugh at yo dead white boy ass!! AND I'LL BE DOIN YOUR GIRLFRIEND THE DAY AFTER YOU DEAD!!!

11/11/2005 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REMEMBER: We can only speculate about the identity, gender, race and occupation (not even a copper?) of these ANONYMOUS posters.

The above "#1 dog ass copper from the west side" may not even be a P.O., let alone a black officer.

One thing we do know: (s)he is a world-class asshole.

11/11/2005 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Northside said...

ANONYMOUS at 9:35:04 PM

Au contraire, you pathetic, sick motherfucker.
I found Greg and Ray mortally wounded in the garage, called the 10-1 and Frank Kroll arrived seconds later. Ray was gone. Greg died in our arms, you cowardly, lying, dog-ass piece of shit.

God bless Greg and Ray!


11/11/2005 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Beat 25xx said...


I was there too. I wouldn't even dignify that scumbag's comment with a reply. We lost two damn good guys that night. God bless them.

11/11/2005 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous DocMac said...

To anonymous at 8:30:35PM. Kathleen here. If you want to chat, email Northside at and he'll forward it to me. There appear to be some real women haters, anonymous of course, on this blog and I hesitate to give out my email here. Slainte

11/11/2005 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous A ghost from way past said...

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11/12/2005 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous HEY NORTHSIDE said...

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11/12/2005 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounds like some people know what they are talking about

11/12/2005 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just finished watching "Mail call in Vietnam" on "The History Channel". I have always had the utmost respect for veterans and just want to thank all of them for their brave service. I think a lot of coppers could learn something from a Navy corpsman who was interviewed on the show. He was asked how he could do what he did after he described how bad the situations were when he had to run into to help and he simply stated "it was my job".

11/12/2005 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It should be the responsibility of the F.O.P. to research such data and publicize such surveys to the rank and file in their monthly newsletters.

11/09/2005 08:38:50 PM"

Yes, you would think that it would and/or could be their responsibility to research stuff like that. However, let's see how they researched the last thing that was supposed to be researched.

In the previous contract, the city and the FOP agreed to have a two year trial on furlough by watch and furlough by unit. At the end of the trial period, the FOP and the city had agreed to learn what the rank and file felt about this by forming a committee and polling the FOP membership to see if there was a real preference, after the two year trial period.

The current FOP, led by Donahue, did not conduct any type of meaningful poll to determine what WE, the membership, might have preferred.

But, why bother with any poll?!?!? Donahue and the Board obviously must feel that they have their finger on the pulse of the membership.

The problem here is that the membership's pulse is non-existant, as they are letting our FOP do anything they want to do.

11/12/2005 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Insted of the 12 U.S./Christian biased holidays we have every year, allow us to pick our own holidays. This wouldn't cost much, it might even save the city money and everyone could get almost every important day off they wanted.

Let say, when we pcik furloughs, we pick 12 days we want off as personal holidays. Some rules need to apply, no more than two consecutive days, can be changed if day off group changes.

I may not want Pulaski Day off since my kid is not out of school that day, but I would want my wife's birthday off.

If you want the Jewish holidays off, you get 'em, the Orthodox or Muslim holidays you got them. Since everyone almost will pick Thanksgiving or New Years, then by seniority it get denighed and you get time and one-half. No one would get bumped at the last minute because it's already set up at the begining of the year.

11/12/2005 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous northside said...

12:32 & 12:39 AM

Well, off to Madison and Camp Randall for this afternoon's Badger-Hawkeye game.

Care to join us, "boss"?

To everyone else: Have a great weekend!

11/12/2005 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

Lighten up and knock it off people

11/13/2005 05:10:00 AM  
Anonymous TO SCC.... said...

Hmmmmmmm... On the computer at 5:10AM.... I think we know who you are ...

11/13/2005 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous professor moriarity said...

Ah, the game is afoot.

It must be...


11/13/2005 07:37:00 PM  

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