And Another Thing ...
Just for any reporters reading this site (feel free to forward this to interested parties like reporters, the NRA, etc):
How much firearm training do aldercreatures receive? As stated in the Municipal Code, aldercreatures are allowed to carry firearms. And as pointed out by some of our readers, there are at least a couple of them with IR numbers that might cast a bit of doubt on their suitability to be carrying weapons. "The Hat" and "the latin king" come to mind. Anyone else?
How much firearm training do aldercreatures receive? As stated in the Municipal Code, aldercreatures are allowed to carry firearms. And as pointed out by some of our readers, there are at least a couple of them with IR numbers that might cast a bit of doubt on their suitability to be carrying weapons. "The Hat" and "the latin king" come to mind. Anyone else?
posted by SCC at 1:10 AM
48 Comments:
I know who "the hat" is, but which member(s) of LAPA....sorry, I mean HDO is "the latin king?"
Do any of the alderman have required training as specified in PA 79-652? If they don't, it doesn't matter what city code says, they cannot carry in Illinois. We're not a concealed carry state and only peace officers can carry.
I'll put up the first $100.00 for the cop who arrests an aldercreature for UUW.
anyone going to join me????
$1000.00 for the guy that gets Richie....
How do the guys that work Richie's security detail look at themselves in the mirror?
Munoz carrying guns for the latin kings - unless it got expunged
Tookie is DONE!!!!
murdered by the governor
And there was much rejoicing..
Can anyone out there look up if Louie Guiterrez, or Jesse Jackson, or Durbin or Obama voted or against for H.R. 218?
Rest in rust Tookie!!
3:59,
Look it up yourself. Bitch!
Check out Chicago Tribune web site, Mearday was arrested early Saturday in Glendale Heights for Delivery. He can't afford bail because he hasn't received his settlement from the city yet.
Durbin joined Edward M. Kennedy and only six other senators in voting AGAINST H.R. 218.
5:32 am. You've got a bad attitude, bitch!
You know young Jeremiah was just tryin to get by for him and his until the City of Chicago Lotto payments came in. Then it was off to Harvard or Stanford pre-med. Now the poeleese go an put a case on him. Damn...
Don't worry he'll be guided by the sanctified spirit of Tookie. Nuttin but righteousness and lawdy jeezus until he beats the case.
it was a mistake to put gun carry rights for retired p.o.s on h.r.218 They cannot arrest anyone any more. If they are so scared they can move to a state that allows concealed for all not just a few. The retired used car salesman can't carry and he pisses off more people than the police do!(welcome to the world of the regular joe)
WAH! WAH! Go cry in your beer Retired cops, if you still must carry a gun to be tough become a bank guard!
3:59:58 AM
H.R. 218 passed the U.S. Senate on an overwhelming 91-8 vote with Johnson(D-SD) not voting.
The following eight senators, all but then Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) are Democrats. Both Durbin and Fitzgerald (IL), both Akaka and Inoyue (Hawaii), Kennedy (MA), Dodd (CT), Lautenberg (NJ) and Sarbanes (MD).
Arguably, Illinois, (Daley and Durbin) is the foremost advocate of anti-gun legislation in the nation.
Alderman possible gangbangers? With the trash the city hires most of the P.O.s were gangbangers, still hooked up!
WAH! WAH! Go cry in your beer Retired cops, if you still must carry a gun to be tough become a bank guard!
12/13/2005 08:11:35 AM
WOW! Retard of the day material in that post!
Just heard: IAD looking into Dectectives and supervisors visiting "happy ending" massage parlors while on duty in Area 3, 4 and 5! Zip it up boys.
The Aldercreatures are NOT peace officers, they they are Conservators of the Peace. That's where they get their gunslinger's card.
They'd love to put some cops ass in a crack for arresting them. That, "show me the money" lady with the hat would have non-stop, multiple orgasams over frying some White cop.
I know that alderman can carry, but I doubt any of them are.
Could you imagine Burt Nataris whippin out a pistola at some yuppie walking their dog w/o a leash. Too funny to even imagine.
However, what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
That is Da' Mayor's philosophy, anyway.
The city will never implement a qualification requirement for aldermen. That would open up the flood gates for lawsuits from the retirees.
HOW ABOUT THAT, YOU RETIRE NOW YOU JUST LIKE REGULAR JOE! WORD UP,THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD AS IT WAS BEFORE!
WHO ARE THE 10 RETIRED "FRIENDS OF PHIL" WHO GOT THEIR PERMITS TO CARRY JUST BEFORE THE CITY REFUSED TO AUTHORIZE THE REST OF THE RETIREES TO CARRY????????????
SUPPOSEDLY FOP HAS THE NAMES.
Good question, bro. Sounds like clout again. Do Mrs. Brennan and Mr. Schakman know about this bullshit.
I think I remember hearing that Dorothy Tillman pulled out her pistol one day on the city council floor. Could be a story though
Did any of you retired guys get the HR 218 denial letter from the city? Can you print it here? Who signed it?
Does it really matter. The right of retired cops carry will probably be gone, or written out in less than 5 years.
If Daley gets his way, all retirees will have to turn in their weapons BEFORE they retire. Otherwise, he'll withhold their pensions.
Scary thought, huh?
Call your congressman and get him/her to lift any liability issue that the city may have by certifying retirees. Once that is done, they won't have an argument why they shouldn't certify retireess.......except that King Daley doesn't want to.
"If Daley gets his way, all retirees will have to turn in their weapons BEFORE they retire. Otherwise, he'll withhold their pensions.
Scary thought, huh?"
Last time i checked, i bought and paid for this gun of mine. I might not be able to carry it all around like I use to but like hell if i'm going to give it up to daley in order to get my pension. If thats the case is see some legal action on the moron.
You must remember that a Police Officer is indemnified by the City, i.e. City Attorneys represent you in any beef where an officer uses deadly force and is sued. The City comes up with the $$ if the oficer is found liable (or in some cases settle to prevent a greater $$ judgement. Retirees are no longer employees, and therefore are not indemnified. Are the retirees ready to obtain their own legal representation if sued after shooting someone?
Yes, no problem. Otherwise, all the city is doing is delaying the inevitable, a tactic for which they are notorious.
Shucks, Mayor DELAY would never do that. Would he?
If any of you out there would lock up a retired copper for carrying a gun, you need to be beaten to death. Unfortunately, there will be those that see only a CB number and won't give 2 shits that this person gave 25-30 years of their life to try and keep this city safe.
Hell, you really didn't expect King Richard to obey federal law, did you. Hell, he got away with tearing down an airport, so what's a few words on paper to him? What an ass!
Somebody please run against this moron in '07!
With lawsuits everywhere and people looking for deep pockets, I almost....that is ALMOST, can understand the city being reluctant to sign off on retired coppers.
Imagine that Copper Smith retires owing the city one day suspension. They let it go through because one day is nothing.
Now a year down the line, Copper Smith shoots a Mearday wannabe. Some bloodsucking lawyer knows Copper Smith doesn't have two nickles to rub together, but finds out he left owing a day. The lawyer will sue the city for allowing Copper Smith to retire in "good standing" even though he owed a day.
With some of the rocket scientists they put on juries nowadays, I can almost see how our Mearday wannabe would get a payday from the city for certifying Copper Smith.
Of course that's a chickenshit analogy, but what do you expect? The legislature needs to close that loophole and the mayor needs to get his head out of his ass. My opinion.
Who was the p.O. taken out of the Medical section in handcuffs by IAD today? I saw a sgt with long hair and beard and an older guy with white hair walk in with inspector hootie and then they walked out with the guy cuffed behind his back, went straight to a waiting unmarked and zipped off into the sunset.
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Here’s the Story..
Stupid… Stupid…Stupid…
Copper in 013 locks up a guy, takes $200 dollars AND CREDIT CARS (DUHHH!) Then he goes to Target and Toys R’ Us and purchases GIFT CARDS with the credit cards that he stole!! (DOUBLE DUH!) AND is seen doing so in FULL FUC%ING UNIFORM!!! .. He is now in Central Detention Lockup awaiting CBC.
Anyone willing to give this guy a benefit?? Give ‘em some gift cards from Joe Roddy, Attorney at Law.
You can't retire with open beefs or suspension time pending, it all must be settled before you pull the pin...........
Man you be retired, you can stop playing Starsky and Huch. set aside your anger be at peace with ones self. No need to be tough guy let those young silly hotdogs take over. hang it up!
Can anyone clarify this for me, As an active Chicago police officer you are able to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in the state of Illinois (any county, city, etc) but arrest powers are limited to suburbs surrounding Chicago. correct?
And now do to the hr 218 bill any active police officer can carry a concealed weapon in any state, county and city. With only ID and badge no special paperwork needed like retires would need. Correct?
The only reason I ask is that a copper I know was told by officers in a down state county that he should be arrested for agg assault after he held a burglary offender to his summer house at gun point until police arrived. Then they refused to arrest the offender!!!
Your arrest powers are limited to counties bordering Cook County when you are off duty. Your arrest powers are good anywhere in IL when you're on the clock.
"Anonymous said...
Can anyone clarify this for me, As an active Chicago police officer you are able to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in the state of Illinois (any county, city, etc) but arrest powers are limited to suburbs surrounding Chicago. correct?
And now do to the hr 218 bill any active police officer can carry a concealed weapon in any state, county and city. With only ID and badge no special paperwork needed like retires would need. Correct?
The only reason I ask is that a copper I know was told by officers in a down state county that he should be arrested for agg assault after he held a burglary offender to his summer house at gun point until police arrived. Then they refused to arrest the offender!!!
12/14/2005 12:28:25 AM"
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Aggravated Assault??? Bah! First, Burglary is a forcible felony. Second, a citizen can detain someone for police in a forcible felony. The weapon in that case can be used to protect the officer. The officer can carry the weapon legally.
The officer's actions were legal, that is why he was not charged with aggravated assault. The downstate cops were wrong plain and simple.
They should have arrested the offender if the victim was willing to sign complaints.
As for jurisdiction, On duty full Police Power (i.e. including traffic) anywhere in suburbs bordering Chicago within the same county.
On Duty within State of IL outside of area listed above enforcement of Misdemeanors and Felonies and all cases which occurred within the City of Chicago (i.e. Detective going to Rockford to arrest Offender for a Crime Committed in Chicago).
Off Duty is misdemeanors and felonies within cities bordering Chicago within Cook County.
There is a Department Training Bulletin entitled "Police Jurisdiction" on the intranet at work.
Its interesting reading.
Two more points in answer of 12:28.
1. Any Peace Officer in this state may carry a sidearm anywhere in the state. Duty status or area of jurisidiction don't matter.
2. ANY CITIZEN may make an arrest for any felony or misdemeanor committed in his/her presence, and may use reasonable force to effect that arrest.
So our city copper, downstate who witnesses a crime, may use reasonable force, including the display of a firearm, to effect an arrest as long as it's not a local ordinance.
12:28 and 1:29 I thnk you comprehended the order wrong.You are a sworn "ILINOIS" peace officer with full arrest powers in the whole state of illnois on or off duty.When on duty you have HOME RULE that means that you the same police powers as in Chicago while on duty with any municipality bordering the City of Chiacgo ie;summit,oak pk,evanston,etc.. the only thing you cannot enforce are your or the other towns municipal ordinances.
An "ON DUTY" police officer in this state has jurisdiction anywhere in the state. Key word: "ON DUTY." Example, Chicago copper is sent on an errand to Kankakee. Enroute to Kankakee, sees some shit go down in Kankakee county. The officer may make the arrest. Off duty Chicago copper in Kankakee county sees some shit go down, as long as it is in his presence (emphasis on presence) and it's either a misdemeanor or a felony, he may make a Citizens arrest using reasonable force, up to and including the use of a firearm.
So now that hr 218 is passed any active police officer that is off duty can carry a concealed weapon in any state,county,city?
I remember they had this thing in the range that had a list of states and the requirements you had to abide by if traveling through that state.
Yes, police officers may now carry everywhere throughout the country with a few exceptions: Federal regulations against firearms still apply, such as on airplanes, in federal buildings, etc; government and park district entities can still prohibit firearms within their boundries and/or buildings; private property owners may prohibit off duty police from carrying firearms on their property.
Biggest thing is you can go to Wisconsin and if stopped by a Highway Patrol Officer, say "yes Trooper, I do have a firearm on me" without worrying about going to jail.
Hmmm, this may be a topic for discussion, any body had a bad experience in Wisconsin since H.B. 218 became law? I've always believed half of the problem we have had with Wisconsin troopers was because they were searching for the gun. Now that it's a non-issue, are they still assholes?
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