From what I heard on City Wide 1, the dispatcher and all units involved did a great job, including blocking intersections and escorting the ambulance all the way to Northwestern Hosp.
Officer was shot at 6217 Calumet--there was a Just Cause there that ended Thrusday, as the BDs were offering 10grand to anyone who "put a hole in a cop" at the building. Three shots were fired while the officer was investigating drug activity in the building; broke his femur. Copper will be OK. Bad guy in custody.
If you would like to know hit the menu button on your P.D.T. then hit EQ put in a time and the district now you can see pending jobs!! CHECK IT OUT!!!! NOW DO YOUR STREET STOPS AVOID CLUTTER JOBS!!!!
What I think is sad is that because of today's political climate that officer hesitated when the offender raised the weapon because he thought it was a cell phone resulting in him being shot.
If it was a cellphone and the offender was shot, it would be another media circus of arm chair media quarterbacking, i.e. Serena Daniels.
there was an offer of 10G to anyone who put a hole in "robocop." Not exactly sure who robocop is b/c I don't work over there, but bad guys in 7 and 8 know of him also.
The shitheads are putting out contracts on coppers heads, but the department is more concerened about the shitheads and their feelings, and us using "verbal judo" and not violating civil rights, and not to do this and not to do that. Basically, don't be the fucking police...even when you have a contract on your head. They won't even trust us with a friggin taser! Glad to hear the copper will be fine for the holidays.
Guys, also a bit off the subject, but another New York copper was killed. This is the second one in less than a month. The most recent one was the copper who went home after a late shift, and heard glass breaking in the apartment next door. Long story short, after exchange of gunfire, two offenders were shot and the copper shot in the chest; died shortly. Strange thing is one of the offenders is "C" from the movie "A Bronx Tale". (He also appeared in the Sopranos) "C" is a friggin cop killer. "C" was shot two times by the copper. "C" was also arrested this summer for P.C.S. This job is getting more strange by the day!
Hey, take it easy on the ASAs, they float in and out of different branchs and FR, so they are always changing.
I have seen some wait until cop was on life support until they approved charges and others that approved for NO INJURIES, so don't bad mouth them.
They are within an adverserial position to ours and that is their job. If you present the best possible case and it doesn't get approved, then so be it. Learn for the next time.
Yes, I am a detective and have had many debates with ASAs regarding this subject. A good charge to start with involves "temporary questioning" 725ILCS105/114 maybe. 02 2005 enacted as class A misd if the person whom you are stopping for "terry" refuses to answer you ?s regarding his name, address, reason for in area etc.
Anonymous said... The shitheads are putting out contracts on coppers heads, but the department is more concerened about the shitheads and their feelings, and us using "verbal judo" and not violating civil rights, and not to do this and not to do that. Basically, don't be the fucking police...even when you have a contract on your head. They won't even trust us with a friggin taser! Glad to hear the copper will be fine for the holidays.
12/10/2005 07:53:21 PM
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You are correct. Now you all know. And knowing is half the battle.
Anonymous said... What I think is sad is that because of today's political climate that officer hesitated when the offender raised the weapon because he thought it was a cell phone resulting in him being shot.
If it was a cellphone and the offender was shot, it would be another media circus of arm chair media quarterbacking, i.e. Serena Daniels.
If anyone ever raised a cell phone at me and then pointed at me, I'd shoot him. We all seen the Dept alerts of zip guns desguised as phones, shoes, pens, etc.
When ever you see an alert, grab it and xerox the piss out of it. Keep some for your future litigation and leave a pile for the other POs!!!
HEY DETECTIVE, YOU stated 725ILCS 105/114 regarding arrest during a terry stop when subject is uncooperative. Can't find it can u help? Would like to use the charge rather than D/C.
An off-duty officer in the Bronx was not as fortunate as the PO in 003.
No sooner has the NYPD buried Brooklyn 70th Pct. Officer Dillon Stewart, a fallen hero, another member of the NYPD has been murdered by two burglars in the Pelham Bay area of the Bronx.
Off-duty, Officer Daniel Enchautegui, 40th Pct. was awakenened by a pre-dawn burglary-in-progress next door. He put on his lanyard with his shield to investigate
Mortally wounded by a GSW to the chest, he still returned the gunfire and struck both burglars.
Meanwhile, our mayor continues to obstruct the implementation of H.R. 218.
Ive said it all along. Dont doa damn thing in this city. Make them scream for police action. Answer your calls and thats it. We as the police are wrong no matter what decision is made. Why a copper would want to play russian rullet with his life and career for a city/mayor that could care less. But yet, some of you idiot coppers will do anything to get that stupid honarable mention wich is 90% BS most of the time. Stop cutting your nose of to spite your face. What the hell will it take for some of you to wake up?
The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
FYI- The ASAs in Felony Review do their approving and rejecting based on a percentage, each month their activity is checked. If they approve to much they are stuck in FR. An old trick in the old Area 3, (39 and Cal.), was to call bullshit cases in, knowing it will be rejected, so when a decent/iffy case came up there was a better chance for approval. Also they would get to know the ASA assigned to their area that week. The ASAs in FR rotate, days to nights and area to area. B4 you all start bitching, I am not saying they are right. Also if I am not mistaken, FR began as a federally funded program, like CAPS. FR was designed to not clog the jails and courts.
HEY DETECTIVE, YOU stated 725ILCS 105/114 regarding arrest during a terry stop when subject is uncooperative. Can't find it can u help? Would like to use the charge rather than D/C.
12/11/2005 04:18:09 AM " I'm not the Det but if this is what hes talking about it looks like it might still be a bill and not passed into law..not sure, but here is the link... good luck finding it in auto arrest too. ILCS You can use google to search the ilga.gov website and its a better search engine then they provide. Just go to google and click on advanced search, then type in the site as... http://www.ilga.gov and type in what you are searching for.
The bill that 2:09 is talking about died in committee. There is no enforcement action attached. Check the current code of criminal procedure at 725 ILCS 5/107-14.
Let me start off by saying that I should have known that no matter what is posted here, whether to help POs or not, the anal and all-knowing "real police" that constantly visit this site would no be satisfied. I am an infrequent flyer on this site and I thought of helping out the "street cops" by giving them an option rather than using D/C, which will land them in Federal court, which I have been to for "working" and not hiding like some of you.
I also apologize for getting the statute number wrong, but the Class B Misd. changes were "enacted" in Feb 2005. To me, enacted means that they were approved, not just a bill waiting to be voted on. Maybe there have been changes since I used it last about 4 months ago. The point was read the new law changes whrn they come out in January and February.
Also, regarding the ASAs, I never said that I wouldn't work for the "Street Cops" because I stated that I have had many arguments with them regarding the letter and spirit of our laws. BUT, realize that just because you were spit on, pushed or looked at cock-eyed, doesn't mean that they are going to approve Felony charges. We, as police officers, do not have a say in that process and haven't since the 1980's when the overwhelming liberal politicians decided that the police were putting too many cases of poor M/1s.
You are kidding yourself if you actually believe that the ASAs and their boss are not adverserial to us. Yeah, they are supposed to work with us against the offender, but they will not think that way, their political bosses can not afford any bad press.
Say what you will. Have 3-5 years on and feel that you know everything and won't change, but you are the one in the dark.
Still, happy hunting and be safe.
p.s. Detectives will still be there to help you out regardless of your attitude.
"Anonymous said... The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
12/11/2005 09:20:58 AM
Please say that to the SVU detective that handles your agg. battery to P.O. case that stems from your domestic battery arrest or Child Abuse Case.
But wait, SVU only handles juvenile processing not any real cases. You don't know jack Ace!
Why a copper would want to play russian rullet with his life and career for a city/mayor that could care less. But yet, some of you idiot coppers will do anything to get that stupid honarable mention wich is 90% BS most of the time. Stop cutting your nose of to spite your face. What the hell will it take for some of you to wake up?
12/11/2005 08:58:06 AM
Who the hell is this dogg thats posting this crap. You knew when you took this job, that the city would care less about you or any other officers welfare. I hope to God your stupid ass works behind the desk, cause if your out on the street with that mentality, please do everyone a favor and quit now, you COWARD we dont need you. Sure we dont have enough officers, but I dont want you to be my backup, cause i'm screwed. The only one thats an idiot is you. I dont care about the HM's and awards. Some worthy officers dont get crap, while some dogg ass like you would get a DC for doing shit. Its a job, were just doing are job, its that simple. You need to wake up and just call it a career.
Anonymous said... The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
12/11/2005 09:20:58 AM
I take it you define who the "working" police are right?
You don't think SVU fights for the working police because your only experience with SVU is when you lock up the 5 year old for Aggravated Battery to a Protected employee with Aggravated Battery to a P.O. for kicking you in the shins and flailing his arms about in an attempt to defeat the arrest.
You must have never made a Domestic Battery or a Child Abuse Arrest where you got battered.
Yup, you are the "working" police who probably checks the PDT for pending jobs of this type so that you can go down on a street stop. You sure hope that someone else gets that cluster F*$K. No wonder you don't know anything about SVU's function.
The real "working" police at work, how ironic. Leave a child hanging so that you can get your one bag PCS arrest.
God forbid that the lazy, dog ass police every find themselves in a world of shit, and they hope and pray that "Thee working Police" show up to save the day. (and not another dog)
In a District like the ones in the Southside (the working police) never get the awards they deserve for the work they do day in and day out. I had and Sgt. tell me all the time, (after always getting award worthy arrests), "Don't expect me to put you in for anything. You get your awards on the 1st and 16th". And yet a copper in the Northside will get an award for having recovered the most stolen autos. (hint with no heads I may add). Whats wrong with this picture.
So to the ignorant lazy coppers, it's not about the awards. Cause half the time we don't get them.
So to all the working police watch yourself, write good paper, and continue doing what you love to do. Being the Police.
I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
For those of you still think that a person's refusal to identify themselves to the police has been criminalized, I am posting the current legislative information. The bill is still in the House and was "re-referred" to the House Rules Committee. That was in March. Smart money says its going to die there. Result - Don't go trying to lock people up when they refuse to stop and talk to you if you have nothing more.
Last Action Date Chamber Action 3/10/2005 House Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to Rules Committee
Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 725 ILCS 5/107-14 from Ch. 38, par. 107-14
Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Provides that any person who fails to answer an officer's temporary questioning (after the officer identifies himself as a peace officer and demands the name and address of the person and an explanation of his or her actions) is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately.
Actions Date Chamber Action 2/10/2005 House Filed with the Clerk by Rep. Ed Sullivan, Jr. 2/10/2005 House Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Jim Sacia 2/10/2005 House First Reading 2/10/2005 House Referred to Rules Committee 2/16/2005 House Assigned to Executive Committee 3/10/2005 House Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to Rules Committee
Anonymous said... I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
12/12/2005 12:25:04 AM
Who ever wrote this shit has got to have a different beef with those type of coppers. And I have to agree. But what I'm talking about are the coppers who are "DOGS" do nothing, avoid everything mutherf*uckers. Who just hate on the working police. So, if this is you, go work on midnights and hit that hole.
Sorry, you hear wrong. But if you have something to add just come out with it instead of making false implications. But since It was handled well you have nothing.
Hey, don't knock the SVU Detectives. There are a lot of good Detectives working in SVU that were put there because they didn't make the right phone call, or just don't know the right bosses to suck up to. There a lot of hard working Detectives that would love to be working in Robbery or Homicide but are stuck in SVU and can't get out. You maybe the victim of a Agg. Battery and when there are no other Detective available for the assignment it goes to SVU?
I have heard stories about PPO's in Districts that have stood by and watched as their patners have fought with a offender. There afraid that if they get into a fight attempting to arrest someone there are going to get fired? What are those Instructors (I can't call them the Police because the majority of them don't know what it is to make an arrest)teaching these PPO's at the training academy. Any PPO or PO that fails to help or come to the aide of his partner should be fired immediately. Oh! I forgot that we are the kinder, gentler and more friendly Police Department NOW.
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Gang officer in 003...he is gonna be ok.
Does anyone know his name?
Heard he was shot in the leg. Offender in custody. PO will be ok.
Please do not post name until it hits the news.
through and through to the leg. Stable condition
Good response by all districts/units
Did the idiot states attorney upgrade to felony or did they blow us off as usual. Glad to hear the P.O. is doing OK! Great job.
Self inficted, while pulling his gat out of his holster?????
From what I heard on City Wide 1, the dispatcher and all units involved did a great job, including blocking intersections and escorting the ambulance all the way to Northwestern Hosp.
Self inficted, while pulling his gat out of his holster?????
12/10/2005 09:32:21 AM
You're an idiot!!!
Officer was shot at 6217 Calumet--there was a Just Cause there that ended Thrusday, as the BDs were offering 10grand to anyone who "put a hole in a cop" at the building. Three shots were fired while the officer was investigating drug activity in the building; broke his femur. Copper will be OK. Bad guy in custody.
If you would like to know hit the menu button on your P.D.T. then hit EQ put in a time and the district now you can see pending jobs!! CHECK IT OUT!!!! NOW DO YOUR STREET STOPS AVOID CLUTTER JOBS!!!!
What I think is sad is that because of today's political climate that officer hesitated when the offender raised the weapon because he thought it was a cell phone resulting in him being shot.
If it was a cellphone and the offender was shot, it would be another media circus of arm chair media quarterbacking, i.e. Serena Daniels.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-051210copshot,1,222997.story?coll=chi-news-hed
It was 6215 Cottage Grove not 6217 Calumet.
12/10/2005 09:32:21 AM
You f*%king a$$hole. I'm glad you think that sh!t is funny. I hope you don't get shot and have some idiot laugh at you.
Not to critize the police officer, but we have to make sure that the split second decision made will be the right one that won't cost you your life.
From what I see nowadays, officers are second guessing themselves because they could be thinking
what happens if...
or am I going to get sued if I do this...
even knowing they are in the right.
oops...Criticize
there was an offer of 10G to anyone who put a hole in "robocop." Not exactly sure who robocop is b/c I don't work over there, but bad guys in 7 and 8 know of him also.
The shitheads are putting out contracts on coppers heads, but the department is more concerened about the shitheads and their feelings, and us using "verbal judo" and not violating civil rights, and not to do this and not to do that. Basically, don't be the fucking police...even when you have a contract on your head. They won't even trust us with a friggin taser! Glad to hear the copper will be fine for the holidays.
Guys, also a bit off the subject, but another New York copper was killed. This is the second one in less than a month. The most recent one was the copper who went home after a late shift, and heard glass breaking in the apartment next door. Long story short, after exchange of gunfire, two offenders were shot and the copper shot in the chest; died shortly. Strange thing is one of the offenders is "C" from the movie "A Bronx Tale". (He also appeared in the Sopranos) "C" is a friggin cop killer. "C" was shot two times by the copper. "C" was also arrested this summer for P.C.S. This job is getting more strange by the day!
dont ever post an p.o.s name here you fuxking retard....post only bad boss names instead....so as to warn everyone to stay away from them!
HEARD HE WAS HIT BY FRIENDLY FIRE
Hey, take it easy on the ASAs, they float in and out of different branchs and FR, so they are always changing.
I have seen some wait until cop was on life support until they approved charges and others that approved for NO INJURIES, so don't bad mouth them.
They are within an adverserial position to ours and that is their job. If you present the best possible case and it doesn't get approved, then so be it. Learn for the next time.
Yes, I am a detective and have had many debates with ASAs regarding this subject. A good charge to start with involves "temporary questioning" 725ILCS105/114 maybe.
02 2005 enacted as class A misd if the person whom you are stopping for "terry" refuses to answer you ?s regarding his name, address, reason for in area etc.
Look it up and be safe.
Anonymous said...
The shitheads are putting out contracts on coppers heads, but the department is more concerened about the shitheads and their feelings, and us using "verbal judo" and not violating civil rights, and not to do this and not to do that. Basically, don't be the fucking police...even when you have a contract on your head. They won't even trust us with a friggin taser! Glad to hear the copper will be fine for the holidays.
12/10/2005 07:53:21 PM
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You are correct. Now you all know. And knowing is half the battle.
Anonymous said...
What I think is sad is that because of today's political climate that officer hesitated when the offender raised the weapon because he thought it was a cell phone resulting in him being shot.
If it was a cellphone and the offender was shot, it would be another media circus of arm chair media quarterbacking, i.e. Serena Daniels.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-051210copshot,1,222997.story?coll=chi-news-hed
12/10/2005 01:32:11 PM
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If anyone ever raised a cell phone at me and then pointed at me, I'd shoot him. We all seen the Dept alerts of zip guns desguised as phones, shoes, pens, etc.
When ever you see an alert, grab it and xerox the piss out of it. Keep some for your future litigation and leave a pile for the other POs!!!
GOD BLESS THE WORKING POLICE!
I heard Travis from 016 is the workin popo just ask him.
11:54:56 said!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY DETECTIVE, YOU stated 725ILCS 105/114 regarding arrest during a terry stop when subject is uncooperative. Can't find it can u help? Would like to use the charge rather than D/C.
725 ILCS 105 is the State Appellate Defender Act. There are no criminal charges in that chapter. Typo or bullshit?
An off-duty officer in the Bronx was not as fortunate as the PO in 003.
No sooner has the NYPD buried Brooklyn 70th Pct. Officer Dillon Stewart, a fallen hero, another member of the NYPD has been murdered by two burglars in the Pelham Bay area of the Bronx.
Off-duty, Officer Daniel Enchautegui, 40th Pct. was awakenened by a pre-dawn burglary-in-progress next door. He put on his lanyard with his shield to investigate
Mortally wounded by a GSW to the chest, he still returned the gunfire and struck both burglars.
Meanwhile, our mayor continues to obstruct the implementation of H.R. 218.
Ive said it all along. Dont doa damn thing in this city. Make them scream for police action. Answer your calls and thats it. We as the police are wrong no matter what decision is made. Why a copper would want to play russian rullet with his life and career for a city/mayor that could care less. But yet, some of you idiot coppers will do anything to get that stupid honarable mention wich is 90% BS most of the time. Stop cutting your nose of to spite your face. What the hell will it take for some of you to wake up?
HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN BED PORKIN HIS WOMAN< AND JUST CALLED THE PO PO INSTEAD OF GOIN OUTSIDE
The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
FYI- The ASAs in Felony Review do their approving and rejecting based on a percentage, each month their activity is checked. If they approve to much they are stuck in FR. An old trick in the old Area 3, (39 and Cal.), was to call bullshit cases in, knowing it will be rejected, so when a decent/iffy case came up there was a better chance for approval. Also they would get to know the ASA assigned to their area that week. The ASAs in FR rotate, days to nights and area to area. B4 you all start bitching, I am not saying they are right. Also if I am not mistaken, FR began as a federally funded program, like CAPS. FR was designed to not clog the jails and courts.
Why all the games of bullshit. Call a fuckin apple an apple. If its a felony then charge it that way. Fuckin loop holes make me sick.
" 11:54:56 said!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY DETECTIVE, YOU stated 725ILCS 105/114 regarding arrest during a terry stop when subject is uncooperative. Can't find it can u help? Would like to use the charge rather than D/C.
12/11/2005 04:18:09 AM "
I'm not the Det but if this is what hes talking about it looks like it might still be a bill and not passed into law..not sure, but here is the link... good luck finding it in auto arrest too.
ILCS
You can use google to search the ilga.gov website and its a better search engine then they provide. Just go to google and click on advanced search, then type in the site as... http://www.ilga.gov and type in what you are searching for.
HEY thanks for the information.....
Anonymous said...
HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN BED PORKIN HIS WOMAN< AND JUST CALLED THE PO PO INSTEAD OF GOIN OUTSIDE
12/11/2005 08:58:19 AM
Talking about the hero new york copper???? You should be the one killed!
The bill that 2:09 is talking about died in committee. There is no enforcement action attached. Check the current code of criminal procedure at 725 ILCS 5/107-14.
Bad guy has been charged!!! Att. Murder of a P.O. and Agg. Batt/Firearm. No gun ever recovered.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE AREA TWO CHRISTMAS ELF!
HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN BED PORKIN HIS WOMAN< AND JUST CALLED THE PO PO INSTEAD OF GOIN OUTSIDE
to the lame ass who posted above....FUCK YOU VERY MUCH ...Filmore..
Let me start off by saying that I should have known that no matter what is posted here, whether to help POs or not, the anal and all-knowing "real police" that constantly visit this site would no be satisfied. I am an infrequent flyer on this site and I thought of helping out the "street cops" by giving them an option rather than using D/C, which will land them in Federal court, which I have been to for "working" and not hiding like some of you.
I also apologize for getting the statute number wrong, but the Class B Misd. changes were "enacted" in Feb 2005. To me, enacted means that they were approved, not just a bill waiting to be voted on. Maybe there have been changes since I used it last about 4 months ago. The point was read the new law changes whrn they come out in January and February.
Also, regarding the ASAs, I never said that I wouldn't work for the "Street Cops" because I stated that I have had many arguments with them regarding the letter and spirit of our laws. BUT, realize that just because you were spit on, pushed or looked at cock-eyed, doesn't mean that they are going to approve Felony charges. We, as police officers, do not have a say in that process and haven't since the 1980's when the overwhelming liberal politicians decided that the police were putting too many cases of poor M/1s.
You are kidding yourself if you actually believe that the ASAs and their boss are not adverserial to us. Yeah, they are supposed to work with us against the offender, but they will not think that way, their political bosses can not afford any bad press.
Say what you will. Have 3-5 years on and feel that you know everything and won't change, but you are the one in the dark.
Still, happy hunting and be safe.
p.s. Detectives will still be there to help you out regardless of your attitude.
"Anonymous said...
The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
12/11/2005 09:20:58 AM
Please say that to the SVU detective that handles your agg. battery to P.O. case that stems from your domestic battery arrest or Child Abuse Case.
But wait, SVU only handles juvenile processing not any real cases. You don't know jack Ace!
Why a copper would want to play russian rullet with his life and career for a city/mayor that could care less. But yet, some of you idiot coppers will do anything to get that stupid honarable mention wich is 90% BS most of the time. Stop cutting your nose of to spite your face. What the hell will it take for some of you to wake up?
12/11/2005 08:58:06 AM
Who the hell is this dogg thats posting this crap. You knew when you took this job, that the city would care less about you or any other officers welfare. I hope to God your stupid ass works behind the desk, cause if your out on the street with that mentality, please do everyone a favor and quit now, you COWARD we dont need you. Sure we dont have enough officers, but I dont want you to be my backup, cause i'm screwed. The only one thats an idiot is you. I dont care about the HM's and awards. Some worthy officers dont get crap, while some dogg ass like you would get a DC for doing shit. Its a job, were just doing are job, its that simple. You need to wake up and just call it a career.
Anonymous said...
The "Detective" must not be a very good one. Firstly, it doesn't matter whether they float in and out of the court branches. The law is written, and they have the books and can look up the way the charges read. Secondly, we are not supposed to be in an adversarial relationship with the States Attorneys office. They are supposed to assure that the elements of the crime are established. It is not their job to try the case over the phone (or in person). Thirdly, according to the way the law is written, there need be no injuries present to charge an individual with Agg Batt to a P.O. The States Attorneys Office chooses to ignore the law when it suits them. They refuse to approve cases that they may have to work to win in court, unless its high profile or involves someone who is noteworthy. So Detective, go to SVU if you don't want to fight for the working Police!!!!!!!!!!!
12/11/2005 09:20:58 AM
I take it you define who the "working" police are right?
You don't think SVU fights for the working police because your only experience with SVU is when you lock up the 5 year old for Aggravated Battery to a Protected employee with Aggravated Battery to a P.O. for kicking you in the shins and flailing his arms about in an attempt to defeat the arrest.
You must have never made a Domestic Battery or a Child Abuse Arrest where you got battered.
Yup, you are the "working" police who probably checks the PDT for pending jobs of this type so that you can go down on a street stop. You sure hope that someone else gets that cluster F*$K. No wonder you don't know anything about SVU's function.
The real "working" police at work, how ironic. Leave a child hanging so that you can get your one bag PCS arrest.
A true worker you are.
Blow Me!
Where is Dick Trickle?
For the working police!
God bless and protect each and every one of us!
God forbid that the lazy, dog ass police every find themselves in a world of shit, and they hope and pray that "Thee working Police" show up to save the day. (and not another dog)
In a District like the ones in the Southside (the working police) never get the awards they deserve for the work they do day in and day out. I had and Sgt. tell me all the time, (after always getting award worthy arrests), "Don't expect me to put you in for anything. You get your awards on the 1st and 16th".
And yet a copper in the Northside will get an award for having recovered the most stolen autos. (hint with no heads I may add). Whats wrong with this picture.
So to the ignorant lazy coppers, it's not about the awards. Cause half the time we don't get them.
So to all the working police watch yourself, write good paper, and continue doing what you love to do. Being the Police.
Mr. B Good
God Bless!
I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
For those of you still think that a person's refusal to identify themselves to the police has been criminalized, I am posting the current legislative information. The bill is still in the House and was "re-referred" to the House Rules Committee. That was in March. Smart money says its going to die there. Result - Don't go trying to lock people up when they refuse to stop and talk to you if you have nothing more.
Last Action
Date Chamber Action
3/10/2005 House Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to Rules Committee
Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
725 ILCS 5/107-14 from Ch. 38, par. 107-14
Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963. Provides that any person who fails to answer an officer's temporary questioning (after the officer identifies himself as a peace officer and demands the name and address of the person and an explanation of his or her actions) is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately.
Actions
Date Chamber Action
2/10/2005 House Filed with the Clerk by Rep. Ed Sullivan, Jr.
2/10/2005 House Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Jim Sacia
2/10/2005 House First Reading
2/10/2005 House Referred to Rules Committee
2/16/2005 House Assigned to Executive Committee
3/10/2005 House Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to Rules Committee
Anonymous said...
I'm tired of posters calling coppers lazy dogs apparently you havent seen half the police department in the shithead districts have you. Some of these coppers on the job are worse than the criminals we lock up. They're friendly with gang bangers. Live on the westside $80,000 houses and have $80,000 cars. Those are the coppers that are dogs coming to collect a check and hanging in the ghetto they patrol. Talking to drug dealers banging ghetto ho's but I forgot the liberals think thats okay. So thats who you should call dogs wake up and stop posting that shit your morons.
12/12/2005 12:25:04 AM
Who ever wrote this shit has got to have a different beef with those type of coppers. And I have to agree. But what I'm talking about are the coppers who are "DOGS" do nothing, avoid everything mutherf*uckers. Who just hate on the working police.
So, if this is you, go work on midnights and hit that hole.
And by the way there are a lot of great, straight, hard working police in the shit head districts. don't let a spoiled apple, reflect on all of us!
Mr. B Good
From anyone who was there, did Area One Detectives handle the shooting? Because I seen Lt. Farrell at the scene on TV.
Area Two dicks handled it
Yes Area One...A/2 Xmas party that night
It was not area 2 Xmas party that night. Area 2 handled the shooting. Yes, some guys from area 1 came out to help. The help is always appreciated.
And needed from what I hear
Sorry, you hear wrong. But if you have something to add just come out with it instead of making false implications. But since It was handled well you have nothing.
Yes Area 1 did a great job with A2 on the sidelines.
You clowns are killing me! HAHA!
Were all the Fly-hat wearing Detective Bruthas fromm A/2 at the scene?
"Weez got ta git dis shit straightened out up in hay, muthafucka. Muthufuckas can't be goan round shootin at da poeleese."
To 12/10/05 4:30:08am grow up,don't be a hater,take the det exam and u can join the team too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, don't knock the SVU Detectives. There are a lot of good Detectives working in SVU that were put there because they didn't make the right phone call, or just don't know the right bosses to suck up to. There a lot of hard working Detectives that would love to be working in Robbery or Homicide but are stuck in SVU and can't get out. You maybe the victim of a Agg. Battery and when there are no other Detective available for the assignment it goes to SVU?
I have heard stories about PPO's in Districts that have stood by and watched as their patners have fought with a offender. There afraid that if they get into a fight attempting to arrest someone there are going to get fired? What are those Instructors (I can't call them the Police because the majority of them don't know what it is to make an arrest)teaching these PPO's at the training academy. Any PPO or PO that fails to help or come to the aide of his partner should be fired immediately. Oh! I forgot that we are the kinder, gentler and more friendly Police Department NOW.
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