Wow - We Must Be Psychic
Or psychotic. It is frightening to think we might be channeling Fran and Frank, but when we posted the previous thread, we had no idea our two favorite reporters were going to have an article in today's sun-times covering the same subject. We published at 2330 or so and post dated it to be today's opening item.
Anyway, the article quotes the FOP website as saying their lawyers have advised against legal action at this time, but will instead be "addressing the agencies responsible for ensuring the proper enabling procedures." We're not sure if this means the State or the State police or local jurisdictions or what, but the issue itself seems to be generating a lot of interest. It's obviously an anti-gun stance by the mayor who is accustomed to running his fief without federal interference, but we're thinking that is going to change shortly.
Anyway, the article quotes the FOP website as saying their lawyers have advised against legal action at this time, but will instead be "addressing the agencies responsible for ensuring the proper enabling procedures." We're not sure if this means the State or the State police or local jurisdictions or what, but the issue itself seems to be generating a lot of interest. It's obviously an anti-gun stance by the mayor who is accustomed to running his fief without federal interference, but we're thinking that is going to change shortly.
posted by SCC at 9:40 AM
81 Comments:
Yea Mark and FOP swallow the mayors baby batter yet again! Thanks guys. Yea, yea, yea, we know, you guys are fighting for us. BLAH BLAH BLAH. What was it this time Mark? Bahamas vacation?
OUCH but pathetically true.
After the City of Chicago sends out all those letters to retired coppers warning them not to carry a weapon.. I would like to send out a letter to all of them . . .
MOVE OUT OF THIS LIBERAL SCUM HOLE of a fucking city ! ! !
Maybe a few of the liberal asshole lawyers who don't have balls will get ass-raped one day .. they can call for the police on their cell phone and wait 20 minutes because once again.. NO FUCKING MANPOWER. Then they’ll wish the retired copper next door was still there to help them out.
If I was retired, and I received this "letter" in the mail, I would burn it on my front lawn. Then write my own letter back to Da' Mayor, telling him to go fuck himself!!
Daley needs a serious beating and buttfucking when he gets to prison. What a shitbag!
I am retired.
I never intended to "register or announce" my right to carry a weapon to the city after retirement.
My retired friends are of the same opinion. We have a right to defend
life. We aren't stupid, it only took 30 years of abuse to understand we are survivors in a political bin of ineptitude. When the time comes to defend we shall.
It's the same right that the gang bangers get when they shoot at another gangbanger in "Self Defense" and walk every day in this city.
Why move? Why run? The federal Govt. has enacted a law that allow retired Police Officers to carry weapons. The City of Chicago ala Daley has purposely put up obstacles and barriers in order to circumvent a right given to these citizensto bear arms........SOOOOOO
what should happen now is what LIBERALS do?
All federal funding to the City of Chicago, should be suspended until the City come into compliances...Remember in the past when certain city entities fail short of compliances to Federal Laws/mandates....also lets make THE ACLU work for us....a particular defined group of people are being deny a right given to them by Federal law it might be a leap of fate, but it seems discriminatory at the very least. especially when other municipalities and States have complied and without these made up Daley type concerns....Could you just imagine THE ACLU representing the rights of Retired Cops from chicago Makes You Want To Holler!!!!!
Sorry M, but I could not locate the open discussion thread. A great American statesman has died. Sen. Eugene McCarthy, the outspoken critic of the Viet Nam conflict, has died. Here is link to story:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcase/sns-celebrity-1212mccarthy,1,4605173.story
REMEMBER THAT REGISTRATION OF YOUR WEAPONS IS REQUIRED ON A YEARLY BASIS (INCLUDING THOSE DUTY GUNS) AFTER YOU RETIRE. SO DO THE RIGHT THING FLEE AS SO AS POSSIBLE FROM HERE!!! NEXT OFFDUTY CARRY WILL BE PROHIBITED. AND DID YOU KNOW THEY ALLOW THE RETIRED COUNTY BALIFFS TO CARRY HERE....
REMEMBER THAT REGISTRATION OF YOUR WEAPONS IS REQUIRED ON A YEARLY BASIS (INCLUDING THOSE DUTY GUNS) AFTER YOU RETIRE. SO DO THE RIGHT THING FLEE AS SO AS POSSIBLE FROM HERE!!! NEXT OFFDUTY CARRY WILL BE PROHIBITED. AND DID YOU KNOW THEY ALLOW THE RETIRED COUNTY BALIFFS TO CARRY HERE....
Great statesman? You gotta be fucking kiddin me. The guy was NOTHING more than a tool for the left, and an ineffectual one at that. Good riddance and heres hoping that more of the anti-American left join him real soon.
Mayor Quimby, I mean Daley needs to go to the federal building and not leave. Maybe him and Laski can swap asses. they should find a spot in there for the Walsh Constr. owner too.
This sounds like its in need of a test case. We need a retiree to volunteer to be arrested for carrying, and a police officer and supervisor willing to arrent a willing volunteer.
Bring the media along for the show, and let the city say that someone is carrying in violation of city law, when federal law supercedes city law and specifies that the city will permit retirees under specified conditions. When it goes to court, let the city try and make a case that a retiree's rights are not protected under Federal law. Get the best, sanest, most clean-cut retiree we can to do this as a test case.
And for all of this, bring an emergency motion in Federal court to restrain the city from enforcing the gun ordinance against retirees until they bring themselves in compliance with federal law.
If y'all want, I'll contact the NRA. I'm out here in Virginia where they are based, and I can almost guarantee they will take an interest in this.
Regards...
To All Police: Ignore Daleys law and never attempt any arrest of a retired member/brother. Who does this fat ass think is going to enforce this....the gun team???
What judge in his or her right mind would attempt prosecution of a retired member who got caught carrying?????? Ignore the president because its not hillbilly "let me play with your pussy" clinto n.
I'd like to see the first asshole who arrests a retired copper, post his name on here!
The US Attorney in Chicago has Daley so paranoid with recent investigations and indictments, that Daley couldn't figure out a way to put money in his and his brother's pocket by manipulating the federal law. Ali Baba and his gang of 40 thieves.
Once again King DALEY is above the law.
I am so glad I spent the last 22 years working for this fucked up ass city. Now I can retire with an under funded pension, no medical insurace and dont have the right to defend myself and my family against the shit heads the City insisted I take off the streets.
The Mayor and his Lawyers have decided they know better the the Federal Gov. and the Congress regarding this issue.
I was told the The Mayor and his Lawyers are drafting an New Ord. that would require you to turn in your weapons or provide proof the you have legaly sold your weapons through a lic. gun dealer to someone out side the city within 30 days of the day you retire. You will not be able to collect your pension until these requirements are completed.
The Mayor has also said the City and CC States Attorney will fully prosecute any and all retired Officers who do not comply and are caught with thier weapons. This may include search warrants on retired officers homes.
I'd be happy to volunteer to be the retiree "arrested" in Chicago for carrying concealed provided that the NRA sues Daley and Mecklenburg for punative damages in addition to the other legal issues involved.
I agree, unless its done to set up a voluntary test case. If someone volunteers to be arrested for concealed carry as a retiree, PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE OR RETALIATE IN ANY WAY AGAINST the arresting officer or supervisor.
I would expect this to play out as a retiree walking into his old station and turning himself in with the media in tow. This will be resolved and the the nation (and the rest of Illinois) will call for Daley's head even more if allow it to play out.
If it happens involuntarily though, I'd join the lynch mob. I'm just saying, if the "test" case presents himself to you, please play along and carry out the arrest.
Though I would beg you not to cuff or otherwise restrain a retiree during processing for a televised circus event like this.
I'm fairly confident we will be seeing this soon, now that its garnering attention. Anyone contact the NRA yet?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the ACLU believes in the Bill of Rights and defends them zealously.....except the 2nd one. When was the last time the ACLU fought a 2nd amendment fight? Never, that's when.
H.B. 218 is an entitlement, not a right, so ACLU won't back us. The NRA or LEAA may, but they may wish to add a reciprocity to their efforts for the 35 states that have concealed carry.
To keep this a law enforcement issue, we need to call our legislatures and state senators. I'd say call your congressman, but they mostly voted against the bill in the first place.
Why don't we take legal action aganst the FOP. Who the fuck are they to tell us what they are not going to do. These Jagoffs work for us, they seem to forget that fact. We pay the salery. We dicide who sits in that office. If the lawyers they hired dont want to do the job we are paying the to do, then lets fire the layers too. We the Members of Lodge #7 are the FOP not Mark and his band of copy boys. I think its time for a no confidence vote.
Sorry off thread, but did you guys hear about the midnight gang teams? Big write-up in today's Scum Times. Another unit for you all to hate.
It's OK to ignore the law and not arrest a retired copper. I don't know any who would. Even the biggest dog would leave a retired copper alone (is that cuz they have empathy or because they're to lazy? Another day for that question)
Carrying is one thing, but if a retiree needs to USE his weapon, then we get into the shit. Now it's out in the open and discretion is no longer an option.
The King needs to stop this bullshit and have respect for the retirees. Draft a policy of what constitutes "good standing" and get it moving. Then certify the retirees. Don't be a shithead Mr. Mayor. Police did their duty now do yours.
to happy P.O.
It wouldn't shock me that Daley would want to mandate the surrender of firearms by coppers. Remember, according to city ordinance, the mayor has the right to refuse to register any firearm.
If he wanted to, he could refuse to re-register any coppers gun and require them to be moved out of the city or surrendered. NYC did this with "assault weapons" years ago. They used the gun registration roles to confiscate previously legal weapons. Would Daley do it here? I wouldn't put it past him.
On the + side though, he couldn't stop your pension without a change in the state pension laws. Regardless of any city ordinance, state law trumps any bullshit he may try.
Would this also mean the mayor will give up his armed bodyguards? How about if he retires, will he have a squad of coppers following him around, or parked outside his house?
Not to change forum here but we also need to fight residency. I know our union leaders can give a shit as they make love to the mayor, but we need to take from the city what it does not want us to have. Both of these rules the retiree guns thing and residency are let go in every other city.
Be sure to check next thread entitled "H.R. 218 Debacle" for more...
Alderman Dougherty for mayor! He is the only republican alderman as well as the only one without knee jerk actions, less law not more
Ya Richy, Fuck the police right?
I just read my copy of the form that we retirees mailed to the Personnel Division. Check this out.
Daley and Mecklenburg substituted "PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNFIT FOR DUTY" instead of "MENTAL INSTABILITY" as the law actually reads.
While it doesn't affect me, this proves that we are dealing with rattlesnakes who are trying to twist Federal law.
to 21:21
TRUE the pension is governed by state law. But is the new carry law is a federal law. Daley dont give a shit the fedral law why would he care about a state pension law..
Hey 016 coppers almost locked up a retired copper for carrying a snubby on him. The retired coppers wife works in 016. Nice huh. A fuckin Atomic bomb couldnt straighten this city out. You need to start hiring real people to be the Police again. Not these liberal educated useless fuckin diots we are getting now for recruits. There is ZERO and I mean Zero dignity and integrity on this job. A copper will put 2 rounds in another coppers back just to get on tac. I am embarrassed of this so called Police Department. I want to see mayor daley and his kronies in prison.
SCC:
Please set up a page so the Member ship can take a NO confidence vote for the FOP...
Speaking of "mental instability", I wonder if our admittedly "depressed" mayor is ready for a straitjacket yet.
Take your meds, Richie!
Well, a link to the Suntimes article is already in the "News" section on the NRA's website.
See www.nra.org
Please set up a page so the Member ship can take a NO confidence vote for the FOP...
Now we are talkin. Lets start right now. Dump FOP. Then decide on the best way to go WITHOUT FOP. Get rid of FOP and your rid of mayor daley.
now you can get rid of markee and the other boys, but no one seems to be able to get rid of Pleines who really runs the fop. Remember this administration ran on a platform of replacing him? Guess they were told by the boyz that he stays.
excellent ideas, but the membership has to finally get together...not an easy task, given the independence of cops...
Once again, MOST of these anti- F.O.P. posts come from the same I.P. address. Let's see now, who recently got kicked out of the union. hmmmmmmmmmmm
and how do you know they are the same IP address. Post mine smart guy. I bet you cant.
to 3:12:53.....
yours is: blogID=13350456&postID=113440191088346937
That might mean nothing to you, but to someone who knows computers, it means alot.
Just so you are all aware, be careful what you say on here. Everything is tracable. Look at those two highschoolers who got caught from Taft. They thought they were "anonymous."
tookie is gonna die!
Go Arnold!
I don't know much about this law except what I have read here but since it is a federal law and you have retired in good standing with the CPD couldn't you go to some Suburban Depts range and qualify. I'm sure some suburb could make some money by charging a nominal fee and we get to qualify. Just cut Daley out of the process. Once you qualify I don't know how you could be stopped from carrying off duty. Just a thought.
TOOKIE TO FRY!!!! ARNOLD STANDS UP!!!!!!!DONE DEAL!!!!!
That is no where near my IP address. Big deal you right clicked on the post and left clicked on property. As I stated you cant post my ip address.
Alderman Dougherty for mayor! He is the only republican alderman as well as the only one without knee jerk actions, less law not more
12/12/2005 12:32:50 PM
That's because he is always D.O.D.
10:58 for mayor
BULLETIN: We interrupt Daley's H.R. 218 bullshit to announce that California Gov. Arnold Schwarzeneeger has just denied clemency for Stanley "Tookie" Williams. His execution by lethal injection is scheduled for 2:01 am Chicago time.
ATTN: Warden, San Quentin. Kindly use an unlubricated XXXL anal plug on that motherfucker!
Burn in Hell, Tookie!
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall
be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage
to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or
origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet
an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided
allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else
also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the
American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the
English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is
a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
the mayor and the fop don't understand,,we run this police department, the P.O.s..we need to shut down the parking tickets until we get are way..if we can get the kiss asses to stop..but we can't because they want that spot..they do no real Police work and don't ever want to.so we will never be able to have them stop writing parkers.. if we can stop them from writing parkers,,we would rule this city after daley is in prison..
It's no longer an "HR" it's federal law! 18 USC 926C
ticket slow downs don't work the only job action that got anykind of notice was a ticket blitz. In 1972 no one got a pass except po's and their families. Every moving violation was cited, no wink winks for business illegal parking. It really got the old man Daley's attention so much so that they had the bosses checking your ticket books to see if you were off your beat when the ticket was written. The old cocksucker punished up without a raise that year, but screw him.
The Chicago FOP's Web site said its attorneys have advised against legal action so far. Instead, the lodge is "addressing the agencies responsible for ensuring the proper enabling procedures..."
Are you kidding me? Do they think if we walk up to City Hall and beg, they might change their mind? Legal action is the only course of action here. The CFD Union is taking the city to court. At least their lawyers have some balls.
the idiot who keeps posting about IP address, is showing his ignorance. Doesn't he realize that anyone with basic firewall and virus protection transmits a bogus IP address, i.e. Ip address different than the one they actually have. Is this from some union asshole, trying to intimidate us. Or did Pleines tell you to do it, you guys don't wipe your behinds without his OK
tookie's gonna die,
im NOT gonna cry.
Arnold your the man,
whose taking tookie to the can!
HURRAY FOR HOLLYWOOD!!!
Robert Dowlut is the General Counsel for the NRA. He's seen this blog and they are looking at ways to deal with this right now.
Taking a pinch is a really bad idea. The same thing can be resolved in a civil court throgh a declatory judgement action without handcuff, bail and of course a criminal record.
The NRA posted this on the NRQA web site too:
http://www.nraila.org/
The criminal record should be non-existent after the Federal judge gets involved.
But for a good conservative retired Republican there is one excellent benefit. You will be creating a statewide and national uproar, and it will fall squarely on the head of Mayor McKickback.
Outside of Chicago and Cook County, this state and this nation (as a whole) are pro-permitted-concealed-carry for everyone, so you better believe even the temporary arrest of a retired copper for carrying concealed, as allowed under Federal law, will be used to great effect against the Dumbocrats.
I'd take this hit if I were retired.
CHECK OT:
http://www.napo.org/legislative-update/FAQ.Right2Carry.pdf
READ PAGE 3
You can still be certified in the State of Illinois by another agency or company (For a price)
wheather you live in Chicago or not...... Stll the City Sucks.. RAT BASTARDS
It's happened in many other major cities:
JOHN FARRELL FOR MAYOR
John Farrell's got the vote of ten of my family members.
As I recall, police officers successfully ran for mayor in Philadelphia, L.A., Minneapolis and Houston to name a few towns.
Richard M. Daley for mayor...of San Francisco.
If he's interested, I'll dedicate 5 immediate family members to him, and 30+ cousins, aunts and uncles. Plus $3,000 and a lobbying effort among thousands I know.
We need a candidate, PO or not, who cares about this city and not just his friends, his race, his pocketbook, or his potential for future votes.
If Harold was alive today, I'd give him 110%. He was the last mayor who actually cared about this city and its people as a whole. Not saying in any way he was perfect, but I just want to see as a starting point that someone running actually cares.
Farrell cares.
When the Mayor goes to Federal Prison, he will still be protected by armed guards.
Did someone mention decertifying the FOP? A few of us made the very same move a few years ago only to have our asses handed to us. Think that decerting is a good idea? Wait for the midnight phone calls threatening your spouse and kids then tell me how you feel. Most of us at one point or another have been given time for each and every perceived miscue since. I currently have over 20 days suspension since that fiasco. One of us is even 30 pending at this point. It's funny how many times you can be "randomly" piss tested in a one month span. Here's another clue for you, no other bargaining representative is going to give you their full cooperation in decerting the FOP. It's all a matter of politics as to why you won't get money or people to help in the decert process. The Mayor doesn't want it. Call Sean Smoot at the PBPA and tell him what you want to do. He'll give you a few petition sheets and some pins but thats the extent of it.
We lost control of this union when "Moneybags" Bill Nolan sold us out to King Richie. It will NEVER be about what we want, but only what the 5th floor wants.
Been there, done that, got the PBPA pin and threw it out.
Again, what kind of training does our city Alderpersons receive to allow them to carry? It appears that they get sworn as Cook County sheriffs or some crap? Dorothy Tillman Carries, (and she has a criminal IR#!!) This shit has to stop. If the FOP doesn’t get off their ass and start to understand that this city is fucking us every chance they get, we’re DOOMED! We need to do something, anything, to show support to retired brothers and sisters and to stop the dry fucking we’re getting from this city administration every time they choose.
The John Farrell candidacy has a major problem. He is neither a "politician" nor an unscrupulous whore. A honorable gentlemen of integrity could not "qualify" for mayor of Chicago. The electorate is too stupid.
So how in the name of God can Daley justify snubbing his nose at federal law? Are we to follow his example and ignore the law as we see fit?
When Alabama Gov. George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, the Justice Dept. and federal marshals took over.
Daley has absolutely no respect for the police. He despises us.
Public Act 79-652 requires any peace officer in Illinois to complete mandatory firearms training. This includes alderman.
Think the State's Attorney would approve UUW charges against an alderman who didn't have that training while carrying a gun? Naaaaa
To: 10:54:49 PM
There happens to be a lot of coppers with IR#s on the job. They got them before and after they got on this job. Tillman might have one but for what? Felony? Misdemeanor? You can have a gun as long as you are not a convicted felon. Is Tillman a convicted felon?
Who Gives a shit what she's convicted of. The point is that we have a city being run by assholes who give out monitary awards to shit like Meardey, but wont spend a cent to cover the righteous actions of it's Police!
Hey liberal.....she was a whore conducting business in firehouses!!!!!!!!!!
You clowns all fell into the "scumbag's" trap. Aruging about different topics is what the little punk wants. Stay on the truth.... being that the "scumbag" is a thief and should be put in jail. To the 12-12-05...04:424:41 pm post you are a suck ass but now you have ruined your stupid little idea. The truth is if you want to mess with the city, don't write anything. It is like dealing with a piece of shit gangbanger, just hit them in the pocket book.
My My My..
Chicago's Finest huh ??
Having watched this blog for a few months, I am impressed with the degree of accurracy and consistantcy that P.O.s have in surmising and eventually being dead on when it comes to the underlying reasons or objectives of your mayor or superintendant.
And yet every reason under the sun, every name that can be used to describe their position on HR.218 / retired carry ..
Have you missed the obvious ?
What is he really doing??
LITIGATION...$$$$$$$..LAWYERS..FUNDING..INK...
Watch the hands.....not the mouth
Farrell for next Supt!!
The city is just stalling on H.R. 218. Daley is using the "in good standing" and "mental instability" drivel to put implementation of federal law on the back burner for as long as we let him get away with it.
As a retired PO, give me a form, subject to legal review, and I'll indemnify the city for any potential liability.
Through FOP, the NRA, federal agencies, et al, we've got to ride herd on these devious and perpetual procrastinators. They are shameless and incorrigible.
Certainly, the FOP National Lodge can light a fire under their arrogant asses.
Join the NRA. Get a friend to join the NRA. They have the legal assets and funds to straighten out outlaws like Daley. NRA has done wonders in San Fran., NYC and WI where there is now a concealed carry law for civilians.
Btter to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Anyone who locks up a retiree for carrying a gun is an ass....oops sorry TRU and SOS boys.
Life Member of NRA since 1986.....member since 1982.
Won't always be a copper, but will always be a gun owner. NRA is the only organizatin that looks out for the rights of gun owners. Don't buy into the claptrap bullshit from Brady & Company.
When those FOP half wit City Hall ass suckers say were for you, Boys and Girls dont been over cause your going to get poked in the old brown eye.
When those FOP half wit City Hall ass suckers say were for you, Boys and Girls dont been over cause your going to get poked in the old brown eye.
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