Another Victory for FOP Looming?
- Chicago Police officers on neighborhood patrol could once again be reassigned to direct traffic at Bears games, McCormick Place and other lakefront events, under surprise legislation quietly introduced by Mayor Daley this week.
That is the first paragraph in today's Sun-Times article by our (one, two, three, four, ...) FIFTH favorite reporter, Fran Spielman (Fran, you know we kid - we love ya). Anyway, for those of you unfamiliar with the story, in 2003, the mayor introduced legislation taking away the police duties from large scale events and handing them over to civilians. The FOP sued saying the contract did not give the city the right to subcontract out work previously performed by the police.
The FOP won. Not only did they win, they won big. The Labor Board ordered the city to rescind the ordinance AND pay any lost overtime to officers adversely affected. (In a scene reminiscent of a CTA bus crash, hundreds of officers immediately announced that it had been their intention to work every single voluntary detail previously posted in the CO Book regardless of days off, furloughs, birthdays or funerals.) The city's request for a stay was denied and the appeal is still pending.
The mayor is attempting to rescind the ordinance quietly without addressing the Labor Board decision. The FOP is again protesting and once again, the FOP is probably going to win big. It looks like the mayor is getting bad advice on this one and is going to cost taxpayers even more money in the long run. The FOP has come forward with two proposals, both of which involve (horror of HORRORS) police officers making money off duty, which means it will be a fully staffed, fully operational, fully functioning enterprise within 5 minutes of being constituted as we have yet to see a copper turn down earning decent money on a day off.
The FOP won. Not only did they win, they won big. The Labor Board ordered the city to rescind the ordinance AND pay any lost overtime to officers adversely affected. (In a scene reminiscent of a CTA bus crash, hundreds of officers immediately announced that it had been their intention to work every single voluntary detail previously posted in the CO Book regardless of days off, furloughs, birthdays or funerals.) The city's request for a stay was denied and the appeal is still pending.
The mayor is attempting to rescind the ordinance quietly without addressing the Labor Board decision. The FOP is again protesting and once again, the FOP is probably going to win big. It looks like the mayor is getting bad advice on this one and is going to cost taxpayers even more money in the long run. The FOP has come forward with two proposals, both of which involve (horror of HORRORS) police officers making money off duty, which means it will be a fully staffed, fully operational, fully functioning enterprise within 5 minutes of being constituted as we have yet to see a copper turn down earning decent money on a day off.
posted by SCC at 10:55 AM
48 Comments:
i got to be first, not as satifying as i thought
Good for the P.O.'s!! Nice to see maybe Daley isn't so invincible after all!
Keep up the good fight!
Don't let the city take away your job, just gives them the excuse not to hire more police,and keep denying time due.
Yes the mayor is an asshole
Who's the 016th District copper that IAD locked up last night after a Search Warrant of his home proved he was running a casino complete with machines out of his basement?
Hey SCC and FOP, rumors are that the city is planning to change pension rules so that you only get a full pension if you continue to live in the city. If you move outside the city or state, you will receive a drastically reduced pension. Daley says if the city is good enough to earn your pension, it's good enough to stay and spend your money here also. Someone must have information on this plot. Any readers have info? This item is suppose to come up in our next contract negotiations.
As far as we know, a pension is a contract to assist retirees in their old age. Precedent says they pay pension to where ever you happen to live. We don't see how they could do anything like this that would even come close to meeting any pension standards nationwide.
Sounds like the mayor is getting more bad advice. If GM sends your check to where ever you live, no reason the city shouldn't. It's just a testimony to what a shit hole of an operation the mayor runs if everyone can't wait to get the hell outta here when they retire.
If it negotiable, you can bet the 8,000 retirees (most ever in history) are going to have some say about it - and they ALL vote as seen in the last elections for the FOP Board and Pension Board. It ain't happening.
Head to the meeting next Tuesday and ask about it - we'll be there (or maybe not - we can never remember if we sign in or not). But FOP is who you should be asking. No need to ask "SCC and FOP." Mark has so far ignored our existence as has the entire Board of Directors. We're actually kind of sad about that. We thought John was a friend of ours.
He was a blight on this department and I for one am glad to see him with a cb#
SCC Don't let your head get too big, your not that big of a deal. Learn to check your facts, once, twice, three times
What are you talking about? Facts? What did we get wrong? Let us know so we can correct it.
Hey SCC.. lets start a pool. When will Laski blow his brains out????
Read todays Sun Times;
"He's a basket case. He's an absolute basket case," said another colleague. "He may never set foot in City Hall if it stays this bad. Mentally, he knows he's supposed to [come into work], but he's so distraught he's having trouble getting dressed."
UPDATE: LASKI HAS JUST BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED!! (1545hrs)
Congratulations James!! Remember.. the best method is to take your 3 middle fingers - stick them into a large jar of vasoline.. then apply liberally to your asshole.
I wouldn't worry about any plan to deny retirees their pensions if they move from the City. Will never be upheld by the courts. Constitutional right to travel and live where you want. Pension is part of your earnings and a debt owed to you by the City for your years of service. City has to pay pension regardless of where you live. It would constitute a "taking" w/o due process to now deny retirees that pension. And, imagine trying to hire new people if they were told that they would lose their pensions upon retirement if they move from the City. What a nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!11
You have a constitutional right to live and travel where you want. You DO NOT have a constitutional right to a pension at X %!
Anonymous said...
You have a constitutional right to live and travel where you want. You DO NOT have a constitutional right to a pension at X %!
1/13/2006 05:45:16 PM
Yes, but we all have an agreement with the city for a pension based on years of service that is legal and binding. no one now on the job could be forced to live here when they retire.
So, if Daley gets his way, which I believe he won't, you mean to tell me that retirees who already moved out of Chicago will have to move back in to receive a full pension. How can this clown do this legally??? It makes no sense!
I heard this morning there were going to be a number of indictments today? Who else is going down for the count?
Laski went down!!
Other PD's in big citys get to works games and such as side jobs. They wear a uniform, check out a radio and car and get paid PD pay from the city. Too bad these TMA degenerates and gangbanger security guards get that job.
Ahhhh to have that.....
I would love to hear the real story why he didnt get paid. Something fishy there lefty.
016th district again details 2 cars to 25. Less manpower for the largest district in the city with the most city workers and highest taxes.
Page 68 of current contract section 23.11 states:
If the employer decides to detail outside the district which constitutes a tour of duty, the employer shall anounce the detail at a roll call preceding the event . The employer will select officers to work the detail by seniority, if no volunteers then reverse seniority.
No anouncement at roll call for volunteers. Just told to go.
FOP, we know you monitor this site. Can you please address the issue. The employer is constantly whitling away our rights and I don't see you standing up for them.
I heard about how the city was going to withhold pension monies if you move out of the city on retirement. I also heard they spotted Elvis at the Dunkin' Donuts on 104 & Western. Also, a flying saucer holding little green men with death rays was observed at the lakefront, but luckily, they all fell into the lake and drown! Believe me, that was a tough one to cover up.
Whoever the goof is that's trying to start some shit, get your facts in order before you try to start a panic.
Pension rules are governed by state statute. Even if such a thing was true, it would require a change in state law to implement. And the only way something like that would happen is if those little green men did come here.
Next time you want to start a rumor, try something more credible....dickhead!
Dickhead says'
Look back to 1988-89-90. MAYOR DALEY said he would close Midway airport and build the Lake Calumet Airport, a huge plan that would have overlapped into Indiana. For two years he touted that plan. Then he formed an alliance with the Mayor of Gary to give them one million a year to expand the Gary/Chicago Airport (we still pay them the money buddy). He has done a flip flop on so many issues that I've lost count. So don't be surprized when it comes out, that you read it here first, about the reduced pension plan. The man does not care about rules or laws or what is written into law, he does as he pleases. Pay attention and you'll learn how this city works. It works to serve him!
FOP, we know you monitor this site. Can you please address the issue. The employer is constantly whitling away our rights and I don't see you standing up for them.
1/13/2006 09:28:47 PM
Grieve it! File a complaint! Don't just come here and cry and expect FOP to jump on it because it was posted anonymously on a retarded web site! ( No offense SCC )
If YOU aren't going to do what you are supposed to, then it's kinda hard to complain that the FOP isn't doin what they are supposed to. Stand up for YOURSELF!!!
To :1/13/2006 10:55:09 PM
You hit the nail on the head in your commment. Look how Daley changed the mandatory retirement age after officers 38 years old and over came on the job. Now, most of these officers miss full pension retirement because Daley decides to change after Townsend retired. What kind of crap is that? Some officers, I personally know of, miss full pension by 2 years. Why didn't FOP do something then?
The man does not care about rules or laws or what is written into law, he does as he pleases. Pay attention and you'll learn how this city works. It works to serve him!
1/13/2006 10:55:09 PM
I know he doesn't care. He is only concerned about POWER. That's why he's so hard to pin down. He doesn't need anymore money, he has what he needs.
Anyway, I'm going off the topic....he cannot implement such a plan without changing state law. Even he does not have that much clout. So quit your worrying.
FOP are in the city pocket! They do what there told when there told!
If "OUR" representatives are afraid to stand up for our CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS, then it's time to change the representatives. Get somebody in there who will do what needs to be done!
The city won a lawsuit to require 63 mandatory retirement. If you were younger than 43 years old on the day you were hired you could get a pension, if not...what the fuck were you doing taking a job away from a young guy who would have done it better and longer?
Those who came on age 43 or older got screwed over by the city. However, as long as they put in 10 years, they will get a pension. It's not 50%, but there is a pension. And those who put in at least 15 years qualify under H.B. 218.
It is shitty though, changing the rules after they were hired. What would it have cost to grandfather the 43+ people in?
Just goes to show, Daley really doesn't give a shit about the rank and file, he only cares about the big pictures, meaning, his power and his legacy. I wish he would just retire and move to Michigan.
Will this affect us down the road? During "contract negoitation time" will it be- "well,if you want a raise that bad, just work your day off at some event... Fuck your 3%/2.5%/2%, you want more, work for it???"
Got a question...
..."he cannot implement such a plan without changing state law. Even he does not have that much clout. So quit your worrying."...
Do you seriously think King Richards power stops at the City Limits? (County, State???)If you were concerned about power, wouldent you have some SERIOUS FUCKING PULL at the county, state and federal level?
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" ... Lord Acton was right, and he never made it to Chicago!
The FOP got summer jobs from Laski. I wonder who got the jobs and how they got them. Hello Mr. Fitzgerald and Ms. Brennan.
it is a contractual right based on state statue the only threat to the pension is mismagement there are three pension trustees for the teacher's pension that are going to jail...
Regarding State law changes...in what municipality that has over one million residents is Residency NOT part of the collective bargaining process because of a STATE LAW?
You guessed it boys and girls, there is only one city. Don't fool yourselves.
State law can and is changed at the behest of the City.
The Daley's had enough "clout" to get state law changed to make every city worker in Chicago a political prisoner (residency).
How much money has the FOP donated to Laski under Donahue? Did any of Donahue's guys get summer jobs for their kids?
Don't those guys with less than 20 yrs when they are 63 have an option to buy out for pension? I guess the dinosaurs won't chime in due to computer literacy. I don't think they are that screwed, they signed a contract too.
I am not sure that Daley has that kinda of clout to change the pension requirments for residency. Keep in mind that several politicans (Senate/Congress/House) are active (On Leave) or retired CPD. Do you really think they are going to let Daley mess with their pensions. I dont thinks so. They might not care about us, but rest assured that they will protect their own interests.
They won't care about their CPD pensions because they aren't coming back to the job. They will take their LEGISLATIVE pensions andmove along to another high paying job elsewhere in government.
When was the last time you seen an Alderman, State Rep., or State Senator RETURN from a leave of absence to active duty CPD.
Don't delude yourselves with wishful thinking!
I eagerly await your responses!
They are still entitled to the pension they earned prior to leaving. Think they are going to give that up? If you think any politicain is giving up free goverment money your nuts. Go bump the pipe again you cock smooch.
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I think once you earn a pension, no one should be able to take it from you. If they have to mail the check to your prison cell, then do so.
The other side of that coin: If some asshole goes to jail and has a pension, then fine his ass bigtime, and let the pension check help pay for his jail cell.
How many times have you heard some asshole (like Quarters) get a big time fine? All the time, but they never pay it. If they had a pension, the state/feds could be first in line with their hands out.
"Anonymous said...
They are still entitled to the pension they earned prior to leaving. Think they are going to give that up? If you think any politicain is giving up free goverment money your nuts. Go bump the pipe again you cock smooch.
1/14/2006 11:18:58 PM"
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How many legislators are ENTITLED to a CPD Pension? If anything Most will get REFUNDS of the money they put into the fund and will not actually get a pension because many of them did not work long enough on the Department to get a pension.
Do you think there are actually a large number of CPD members entitled to a pension working as Alderman, State Reps, or State Senators and that there are enough of them to stop city led proposals, perhaps YOU should hit the pipe my friend!
They are not a majority by any means and constitute a VERY VERY small number of legislators.
Once again don't delude yourselves into the "it will never happen" scenarios. Remember all that free health care we would get when we retired. The pension system will change, you can take that to the bank. The question I have is how much will it change?
Don't call me a cock smooch, because I speak the truth and you speak in panic.
You Twit!
then ill just go on welfare.
SCC, To you and all the cowards who frequent this board:
You do not warrant a response from our union, the FOP. As long as you continue to post anonymous comments and innuendo you are no better than the pieces of shit we lock up every day. This blog of yours is a joke as I am sure you are. Though I do not know who you are I know you were the goof who everyone picked on in high school. The guy who still lives in the basement of Mommy and Daddy's house, drinking beer and masturbating to the latest porn you have downloaded from the internet. Show yourself coward! What's the matter? Afraid your going to get your ass kicked? SCC, you are a major pussy. Identify yourself so I can kick your faggot ass!
10:53:27 PM
I find it hysterically ironic that you start motherfucking our host(ess)SCC and others using an anonymous pseudonym ("dirk digler"). You are GUILTY of the very bullshit that you're ragging on, you craven bee-otch. STFU and sleep it off, fool.
...SCC, you are a major pussy. Identify yourself so I can kick your faggot ass!
1/15/2006 10:53:27 PM
And your name is really Dirk Digler?
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?.....Mr. Anonymous? go fuck yourself!
Had to throw in my 2cents as well:
Dirk Digler said...
SCC, To you and all the cowards who frequent this board:
You do not warrant a response from our union, the FOP. As long as you continue to post anonymous comments and innuendo you are no better than the pieces of shit we lock up every day.
PENNY#1- when did the FOP become a Union, our astute little friend?
PENNY#2- Looked in the book, and to my suprize; the dept has no DIGLER! However, you are correct, you ARE a big penis! Since you seem to contraDICK yourself, as well as lie, now who is no better than the pieces of shit...?
P.S. If you look, I never posted "anonymous", did I!
"dirk diggler"
SUCK ON DIS, you obnoxious drunk!
Hey Dirk, Do you beat off in front of other guys for $, just like the character in the movie? You pole-smoking ninny.
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