More Food for Thought
We've been following the comments in a couple thread and the "Food for Thought" one is producing a bit of well thought out dialogue. Here's a little more to keep it going - Firstly, we took no position on GPS. We tried to appear neutral on the issue and frame it in a manner that would provoke discussion. Personally, we think it can be a tool for good or evil (good being efficient police work, evil being bosses using it to pick on people). Note the words "pick on."
We were aware that the Fire Department trucks have been equipped with GPS for years. Their reasoning is that in the event of a large structure fire, they needed to be able to see where and what type of equipment was set up - and that makes sense. They also need to be able to cover the rest of the city efficiently in the event that 50 pieces of apparatus are concentrated at one location. Point taken.
Same thing with Streets & Sanitation. Yes, they are about the most politically connected of all departments, but when it snows, they have to get the streets clean and GPS makes sure that each plow is following it's route, in it's assigned ward and making the required number of passes to keep traffic flowing.
Police work is "random patrol" some of the time and "directed patrol" other times. Is GPS something that would assist in directed patrol? Sure. Random patrol? Only in the sense that it could be used to make sure you were in your assigned area. You have a great deal of freedom in a car - no one is looking over your shoulder - which coincidently is also the problem - no one is telling you what to do. You can take the initiative on certain problems or you can drive around burning city gas.
In our opinion, manpower shortages need to be addressed first before they try to slap a GPS band-aid on the whole situation. But we aren't holding our breath assuming they'll do it.
We were aware that the Fire Department trucks have been equipped with GPS for years. Their reasoning is that in the event of a large structure fire, they needed to be able to see where and what type of equipment was set up - and that makes sense. They also need to be able to cover the rest of the city efficiently in the event that 50 pieces of apparatus are concentrated at one location. Point taken.
Same thing with Streets & Sanitation. Yes, they are about the most politically connected of all departments, but when it snows, they have to get the streets clean and GPS makes sure that each plow is following it's route, in it's assigned ward and making the required number of passes to keep traffic flowing.
Police work is "random patrol" some of the time and "directed patrol" other times. Is GPS something that would assist in directed patrol? Sure. Random patrol? Only in the sense that it could be used to make sure you were in your assigned area. You have a great deal of freedom in a car - no one is looking over your shoulder - which coincidently is also the problem - no one is telling you what to do. You can take the initiative on certain problems or you can drive around burning city gas.
In our opinion, manpower shortages need to be addressed first before they try to slap a GPS band-aid on the whole situation. But we aren't holding our breath assuming they'll do it.
65 Comments:
If your doing your job then u have nothing to worry about.
I have been an IPS Trooper for the past five years, what a great job. I'm glad I refused the offer to become CPD. It sure does seem like 90% of you coppers are lazy and full of excuses. I thank God I don't have to live in your city. It shows here on this blog most of all officers in CPD can't make a decision, just rather bitch about your Bosses and Department. For the other few I feel sorry that you must work with such incompentent counter-parts.
IPS?
first I dont think the city would utilize GPS in squad cars for the simple reason of LIABILTY. It would just mame it easier for a lawyer to use the tapes againstbthe city in a law suit. Example;Five teens beating on a kid in progress, oec ask if anyone is close, no one answers and a car four beats away gets the job,it took them twenty minutes to get on scene, the boy was beat to death, family wants answers for the long response, hires a lawyers, he looks at the GPS tapes and finds that a a beat car was four blocks away up and clear, can you say cha-ching!!! I dont see the city lawyers in favor of that. Second for the guy claiming to be a state trooper I dont believe you are one and are just trying to bait C.P.D to start bashing the state. I hope the guys dont fall for it.
what is there, like 8 troopers that work the chicagoland area? i will still come your 10-1's and save YOUR solo ass anyday. remember that trooper.
sorry, i fell for it
a bottom line: for those interested in law enforcement....there are lots of opportunities, get the college, look all over, stay away from Chicago...
any suburban coppers out there??? what say you?
I have no problem with GPS, as long as the only use is to help find a copper who cant tell us where he is at during a 10-1.
other then that, ban the damn thing.
01:17:58
i hope you really are not the state police... in all my days on this job, as limited as they may be, i can say i have never seen ISP respond to CPD asking for assist. nor can i say, i have ever seen another "trooper" when ISP has been asking for assist via the zone. but maybe that's because i'm lazy. or maybe i'm stupid for driving the wrong way down 290 when a "trooper" was asking for CPD assist.
Sounds to me that 01 17 the "ips"
was a CPD wannabe and couldn't pass the test. This guy is a Wal-Mart greeter, who most likely lives in a trailer park court in Hometown. Anyone who believes that this "blog" is an accurate depiction of the CPD staff is a moron for lack of a better word.
I have seen the ISP respond to assist calls in 011 before but pretty much no where else. I don't believe the poster who claimed to be a Trooper is one. I mean after all does anyone know what an "IPS Trooper" is?
The GPS and Cameras are just tools to make us a more professional police force. Sure, a couple of coppers will get their butts handed to them for language or some other outlandish antics, but they will be punished because of their own stupidity. Boys and Girls it is time to start thinking like you are being recorded somewhere 24/7. Between surveillance cameras posted on buildings to some knucklehead and his handheld wanting to catch the next "Rodney King" incident, you will be recorded. I think there are something like 1000+ cameras posted throughout the downtown area by private entities. It is time to wise up and be a professional. It does get you less CR numbers and makes them easier to get out of them.
Think about it!
I left a comment on the other post and some IAD spy tried to poo poo my comment, I observed first hand (and I wasn't having a paranoid dream) when I was training as an instructor in the academy years ago they took us to the 911 center on madison. They showed us the big board police and fire side and demonstrated how the GPS system works. When you hit the emergency button on your PDT the GPS is autmomatically activated and they can find your location, they can also activate it remotely in the event that you become incapacitated and cannot activate it yourself. So don't believe the HQ misinformation telling you "we don't have GPS in your cars." N.A.G.I.S. uses them all the time to track the bad guys, and so does IAD ( on the squad car and your personal car if they're watching you). So now I'm sure that the HQ propaganda machine will role and try to deny , deny, deny.... I'm on to you guys.
NAGIS uses a tracker the size of a block of government cheese. Give me one documaented case where the GPS was used in a police car. In ther years since you took a 3 hour tour of OEC give us an example. It's called evidence. Save your IAD banter rumour monger.
CPD just like I stated most of you are confused on duty as well.
I LLINOIS
P OLICE
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"STATE TROOPER"
I have been a sergeant for the past five years, when I was promoted I was assigned to Chicago.
I can't wait to go back to Rockford. You guys are clueless.
I have nothing to worry about when dealing with CPD thank the Lord I don;t live among you all.
Unlike some of the ignorant here, I have seen the ISP at many 10-1's, in addition to answering one of mine. Just wanted to say 'thank you.' Not all of us are clueless, Sgt.
You obviously can't deal with the inner-city & stick to the "mean streets" of the expressways! Work a few months in a C.P.D. beat car & you'd probably shit your pants!
I'd be surprised if the FD's GPS devices work well within buildings.
For those who don't know, GPS works by synchronizing and triangulating signals from a subset of 20 or 24 U.S. satellites.
Its one thing to use them outdoors, or to mount them to a windshield. Its another entirely to use them indoors. I'd suspect that there might be issues even with embedding them in a PDT, but wouldn't bet money on it either way.
Anyone from the FD here to clarify whether these are so mobile and versatile as to be useful WITHIN large structures? I'm sorta doubting it.
CFD uses them in trucks, not persons
Every CFD Vehicle has one and so far 'no problems'. The equal opportunity employees of the 911 center probably don't know how to use it. Hubie even has one where the sun doesn't shine.
ISP Sgt, Take it for what it's worth seeing as that it is here...But I don't think I would want your job outside of DISTRICT Chicago....especially when your back-up is god only knows where in the county you are working...
I and dare I say WE will stil respond to trooper's 10-1's as we always have. Also, seeing as the vast majority of ISP Units don't have CW1 in their cars, I'm not surprised that they don't show up for foot chases, assists and the like, NO HARD FEELINGS....You guys take care of enough of us going home "LATE" after the establishments have closed and for that I give you a BIG THANK YOU...
As for my couterparts in CPD, get off your high horse of being the real police.....Let's see how well you do calling for help at 79th and the Dan Ryan and your closest car is at Touhy and the Edens..... quit making us look worse than people already think....
CFS employees have a separate box alarm that attaches to their masks. When the FF stops moving at a fire, the alarm is activated. Each FF/LT/CAPT inside a burning structure has one.
Take a second away from bashing each other.......RIP COwboy Ray
Refering to the blow...
I have seen ISP respond to assist us many times. Once in the 11th district when the bar at Augusta and Pulaski went up. There was about 10 troopers that showed up. Also when myself and my partner were in a foot pursuit, a two man trooper car showed up before any CPD cars. They do monitor our zones and do come to assist us when they can. You guys need to stop this pissing match. We are all coppers
"i hope you really are not the state police... in all my days on this job, as limited as they may be, i can say i have never seen ISP respond to CPD asking for assist. nor can i say, i have ever seen another "trooper" when ISP has been asking for assist via the zone. but maybe that's because i'm lazy. or maybe i'm stupid for driving the wrong way down 290 when a "trooper" was asking for CPD assist."
All this paranoid talk and ISP/CPD bashing is inexcusable.
The thin blue line is getting thinner & thinner. And we're all we've got - sometimes.
There's a benefit for a Naperville PD Sgt. Anyone interested can click here. Thanks. Stay safe.
And as far as the GPS, I know that disconnecting the GPS might set off alarms, but i wonder what tin foil would do over the antenna....note tin foil and not aluminum. Aluminum increases the signals and i'm told tin blocks radio signals. Try it on your home GPS system.
in case anyone cares....the department just announced a new sergeant's exam. it is going to be on 25 March 2006 and you HAVE to apply online and pay teh application fee ONLINE. i hope some of the old time hillbillies on this job can get to a computer. i just put in a bid to get to 011 so I can try to get on the tact team to guarantee a spot in the first sergeant's class off this list. i'll have to make friend's with a politician's son first...i went t H.S. with Ed Burke's and Vrdolyak's kids....does that count?
Can anyone tell me how many PO's took the last sergeants test? What number are they on from that list? It just seems that this current list has not been up that long in a time when money is a factor in all decisions the city makes. I would of guessed if you were in top 450-500 on list the rank of sergeant was almost a sure thing. I was in upper 500's and was wishful thinking that they might get that low.
Are they in 011? If not, dumb move.
I'm around 400 and never heard a thing.
Regarding the tinfoil, does using tinfoil for your antennas effect your ability to contact your home planet? Can the city block the signal with tinfoil? That doesn't seem possible. Would you be better off using another cheap metal? Is there an alarm attached to the antenna in case you try to detach them? Do you have to bend them at a 90 degree angle when sitting in the squad car? Does it decrease their range?
This is not fact from Personnel BUT:
about 4,500 or so took part 1;about 3,000 passed and went on to part 2;
the class of pre-sergeants included #321 on the list. It's going to go a little bit higher as there are a number of detectives who didn't have to go through Detective Familiarization (duh) so figure they are around 330 or so?
I'm a det and I can name three of my co-workers who are making sgt and definitely needed Detective Familiarization.
Anonymous said...
01:17:58
i hope you really are not the state police... in all my days on this job, as limited as they may be, i can say i have never seen ISP respond to CPD asking for assist. nor can i say, i have ever seen another "trooper" when ISP has been asking for assist via the zone. but maybe that's because i'm lazy. or maybe i'm stupid for driving the wrong way down 290 when a "trooper" was asking for CPD assist.
1/11/2006 03:52:45 AM
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ISP and Cook Cnty showed up for the 010/TRU guys got shot by Howard Morgan.
Anonymous said...
NAGIS uses a tracker the size of a block of government cheese. Give me one documaented case where the GPS was used in a police car. In ther years since you took a 3 hour tour of OEC give us an example. It's called evidence. Save your IAD banter rumour monger.
1/11/2006 08:19:05 AM
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Intel used it to track the ATM Blowtorch crew that was hitting A3.
There's a benefit for a Naperville PD Sgt. Anyone interested can click here. Thanks. Stay safe.
1/11/2006 11:33:24 AM
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Is this for the guy that got DUI'ed by his own? What's the REAL story there?
Re: GPS. It is just like everything else on this job that has been implemented. That is why we have the Eleventh Commandment; thou shalt not get caught.
Re: This blog. The so called ISP and others are right. The majority of you are cry babies, whiners, do nothings, and braggers.
1/11/2006 12:40:21 PM
The question was GPS in a police car. Read the question before you answer. Good luck with the Sergeants test.
Hey Mr:
I have been an IPS Trooper for the past five years, what a great job. I'm glad I refused the offer to become CPD. It sure does seem like 90% of you coppers are lazy and full of excuses
No one could be as glad as us that "you" refused to take our job! If you havent noticed, we have our quotas, and, let me look...yep... right here it states we have reached our limit on pompus, self-important, shiney shoed, ticket-giving police. Its too bad though, if we had 90% more police like you, we could probaly kill all crime within 3 months, no homicide, robery, dope... Our bosses would be pissed for 2 reasons 1- they would feel unwanted because we wernt talking about them and 2- would be out of a job because you are soooo damn good! The police wouldent know what to do, cause we cant decide. Our citizens are greatfull that you did not take the job because they would be dolling out big bucks in fines from all of those traffic stops for running a stop sign! As far as I am concerned, well, i'm just too "lazy and full of excuses". So run along FARVA, you little "super trooper" you! Run along to Rockford or where ever you want, cause we have reached our quota of you here!
For the rest of ISP, were sorry you have to put up with this goof! we will still back you guys (& gals) up 24-7!
GPS will be a double edged sword. Being used to dispach the closest car, great...but lets face it, I dont know any one who has been where they were supposed to be 100% of the time on this job! Someone on the other post hit it right on the head about not worrying until one of Daley's boys mass-produces them! they will be too over-priced and will only work 10% of the time like the rest of his "Machine". SCC's thaught on addressing the manpower situation first. THIS MIGHT DO IT! If you can get cars to respond to a scene quicker, while maintaining the same ammount of cars on the street as there are now, havent you acomplished something? One of the Supt's things has been "doing more with less". But, In the long run, if it will save money, and "provide a better service", who cares how much we are going to get screwed!
Dear Mr. 1/11/2006 05:53:09 AM ,
I am the "IAD-spy" tht you refer to, although I am no longer assigned to IAD, nor have I considered myself a spy. But I digress...As I said in the first post, I don't know what it was that you saw, possibly a proto-type or GPS system that was being pitched to the Department, but are you telling me that in the last 10 years or so that you claim we've had GPS that IAD and OPS have never been notified of this fact?!?!?
And, before you accuse me of telling another lie, have any of you ever heard of even ONE beef being sustained by either IAD or OPS because of GPS? I thought not! It would make both of those Units much more efficient because there would not be much room for bad detective work when it comes to who was where and when. Get it?
Do you realize how many "unknown officers" beefs come in EVERYDAY? There would be no such thing if the system that you claim you saw actually existed! The whole idea of having to call people down to IAD to view photo lineups of officers would be almost extinct since they'd already know who it was, or at least if there were even any cars in the area in the first place!
And you've obviously never seen the tracking devices that IAD do have...they are hard to miss! Roughly the size of a military ammo case, and about as reliable as a 10 year old Yugo!!! The Feds have the good shit, NOT our IAD. If our Confidential IAD Section were given even half way decent equipment, there'd be 100% increase in sustained cases. As it is, unless the FEDS are involved, they have less to work with than the average District Tact officer has.
But let's face it...no one wants them to be able to do their job TOO well, now do we?
Paranoia will destroy ya....
Hey Left is NUTS.....You're acting like a TROLL on this topic......yes you can post what you want but don't say a word about guys who change the subject.........
As a supervisor I can say this, if the Dept. can fuck you w/ utilizing GPS then they will.
I don't think you will have a porblem if your working in a District, after all where can you really go? However if there is a situation like the domestic a few yrs back where the woman was shot by her estranged husband after she called 911, then they will look a your GPS location and make a determination from there as to if they are going to fuck you or not.
It would be real easy for an Inspector to pull up your Event History and then look at you GPS history and compare where your location was when you came up clear from a job.
This is just my opinion, but if they can stick it to you w/ pimpy bullshit then they will.
Oh and one more thing, CHASES, theywill definitely look at GPS with respect to your cahse so keep that in mind.
I say lets get the real story about this incident in Naperville. If we find out that the Sgt. that was DUI'd was a standup and all around good guy, lets go to the benefit in masse.
TO: 1/11/2006 02:37:46 PM
You are a JACKASS!!!!Have some respect for all the police agencies. What the hell is the matter with you? If you are CPD, what an embarrasment you are to us. Give it a rest, why don't you.. Take your meds...
Shit, I got a damn headache!
The Off-Duty Sgt from Naperville is one of the best.
Real Story: Off-duty Sgt is in Downtown Naperville having a few cocktails with the other thousands of peoples that cocktail in their "Rush-street" area. On-Duty As@@hole Sgt. sees Off-Duty Sgt's vehicle parked on street, lays in waiting until Sgt leaves gin-mill and stops him, one block away. Sgt. cited for "Improper lane usage" and then DUI. Both Sgts had had "issues" before, because Sgt Trotsky stands up for his guys and doesn't forget where he came from. Sgt. "Asshat" is another story.
man oh man! Technically, on-duty sergeant has the authority, but more than that, he has big balls!! Is he that idealistic? I doubt it, but he better be from now on.
Sounds like Sgt ASSHAT is due for a "blanket party" !!!
Sounds like our Lt T. C. in 020 (I believe) who laid in waiting for the soon to be ex-husband of his copper girlfriend who worked for him on the desk in 025. When the off-duty copper left the gin mill the good Lt stopped him and called a car for a DUI. True story, copper gets out goes to the lake and commits suicide. That was only a few months ago. Hopefully the Lt gets fired...he deserves it. IAD subpoenad his cell and her cell and it appears that "A" spoke to "B" and found out where he was drinking. "A" then calls "C" (because its his district) and tells him where to look for "B"'s car. "C" sees "B"'s car and waits until he leave and DUI's him. Then "C" calls "A" back to tell her the job was done.
Damn! Almighty PUSSY sure makes some guys do some crazy shit!
"Justice" cries out that "A" and "C" join "B".
I'm one of the pro-DUIers on this blog, but both of these stories are stunningly ridiculous. If there is any showing of a personal history between the Naperville Sgts., than I will in fact contribute to his defense.
And yes, if the Lt. in 020 was on-duty targeting someone for personal off-duty reasons, than he should be fired.
My reasoning for parsing these two out of my overall anti-DUI stance? Personal history makes both arrests stunningly suspect. I'm reflexively defensive for POs except when the charges come from other POs, but the exception to the exception is when there is any significant element of it being a "personal" issue between "offender" and arresting officer.
And the 020th district used to be a better place than this. If true, who let a jagoff in as a Lt?
That policeman who killed himself in after the incident in 020 had some major problems going besides that DUI. I'm not getting into it, but if he was guilty of it, it would be a heavy burden; if he was innocent, then it would be a heavier burden. Leave him out of this little question and answer session. If the Lt was wrong, hopefully he'll get jammed up. Have some respect for the dead.
GPS, RPS, IAD, OPS, I say...GGF!
God bless George W. Bush!!!!!!
Fuck you leftisbest you american hating terrorist loving prick.
Hey lefty just think about how much of a failure the Democratic party is. GW get 2 Supreme Court picks and PROBABLY 1 MORE!!!I HOPE YOUR SICK FOR A LONG LONG TIME.
YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE TO RESORT TO FORCING A NOMINEES WIFE TO LEAVE THE HEARING CHAMBERS IN TEARS BECAUSE OF YOUR REPREHENSIBLE ATTCKS ON THE HONORABLE JUDGE ALITO.
Keep spouting the bullshit lefty because you and all your american hating democrats will be on the outside looking in.
NOW GO GET FUCKED YOU BALLESS COWRAD. THE FLAG OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS ALL WHITE AS IN "GIVE UP , SURRENDER, CUT AND RUN"............
Wanna bet?
David Rosenbaum, the Washington correspondent for the New York Times was robbed and bludgeoned to death in NW D.C.
The Metropolitan P.D. now has a 23-yr-old in custody after he was taped using Rosenbaum's credit cards taken in the homicide. He 'fessed up to it.
I'll bet that the fuckin' liberal rag, the NY Times, will not print the perp's photo.
WHY??? (You get only one guess)
YOU ARE CORRECT!
Cuz he wasn't smiling in the picture?
10:25:46
You are a moron! Why would you post something like that when you know that it's ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE? I know both the Lt. and the female Officer and there is ABSOLUTELY NO connection between either of them. She did not work the desk, as a matter of fact, she didn't even work his watch. He's about 25-30 years older than her and, no offense to the Lt., she can do a helluva lot better than him. If he was set up by somebody, I don't know about that, but it was not by the Lt. or the female Officer. There were other factors involved in this entire unfortunate incident, but a non-exsistent affair between the Lt. and the female Officer was not one of them. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to soil the reputation of two fine people.
She's dirty..
Filthy Dirty...!!!
Im 43 and banging a 22 year old. Is it wrong for an older guy to bang a younger woman. Rank does have its privledges.
Don't rest on your laurels. Time to step up to a frequent menage a trois with a pair of nubile nymphets. Expand your horizons and cast aside silly inhibitions. Experiment with groups, the dirty sanchez and dutch ovens. A bukkake orgy with a half dozen lusty and beautiful women is the way to go.
What does rank have to do with a lusty clusterfuck?
Get ready, everyone. GPS will eventually come to the the CPD squads as well. Many major city PD's use them already. For the real Police, you'll just keep doing what you've done well...serving and protecting.
For those out there who ride on the coattails of others, constantly the last car to arrive on YOUR OWN ASSIGNED JOBS, well, you may have to find another way to earn a living, because your trail of laziness and incompetence will be on paper for all to see, and (hopefully) to do something about. And yes, we are short of manpower, but we've ALWAYS been short of manpower. We'll just have to get better at what everyone else is doing....more with less. God bless you all, and stay safe. And enough with the inter agency police bashing. We all know the Troopers need us on the expressways, and YES, I've seen them back up CPD officers on calls close the expressways. WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER.
GPS? You fucking paranoid do-nothing mother fuckers on this job make me sick. Who gives a fuck about GPS? If you're the police what the fuck does GPS have to do with making arrests and doing your job. What would some of you loser mother fuckers do if you didn't have this job?
You dog-asses have made it difficult for the working police because of all your bitching and moaning and doing nothing. GO FUCK YOURSELFS!!!!!! I HOPE WE GET GPS AND I HOPE IT TRACKS YOU MOTHER FUCKERS RIGHT OUT OF A JOB!
SCC=Stupid Crying Cunts
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