Tuesday, January 10, 2006

Food for Thought

Speaking of cameras and tracking the police, does anyone have any solid information on GPS in cars? We know for a fact that the Park District uses GPS - the locators are in their Nextels as someone pointed out a few weeks ago. We did a little research/had a little research done as to how authorized personnel can pull up an entire history of where people drove, how long they stayed at locations, and other such stuff. It can be superimposed on a map and looks cool. Then we looked into tracking vehicles and guess what? It's getting cheaper and it's tracking in real time. Tracking stolen money? No need for dye packs anymore. Tracking sexual predators? It's easy!

How hard do you think it would be to toss one of these in every squad car? Simple? And then program a big board down at 911 and maybe set off an alarm every time you leave your beat? your sector? your district? Beyond simple? How about tying it to your radio? The you can cover the foot guys, too. Can you see where this is going? Can you say "accountability?"

Citizen complains she never sees the beat cars? "Why yes ma'am, I can see that the car has only been on your block twice in the past week. I'll speak to those officers about their patrol patterns." String of garage burglaries? "Hmm, I wonder why this beat car is always at the 7-11 when these incidents are occurring." Trying to prevent retaliatory shootings? "Squad, give me three more cars to cover the west edge of this DOC area." How about police chases? "Officer, while working Beat 9999, you were given a direct order to terminate the chase that killed my client's wife. Why didn't you stop chasing? Your Honor? Could you instruct the Officer to answer please."

Don't kid yourselves people. Big Brother is coming. The Inspection Division alone could use this 9 ways 'til Sunday ferreting out all the previously undiscovered "holes," not to mention how long it took you to get to calls, how long you stayed, and why did it take you 2 hours to come clear when you left 90 minutes ago? Accountability Meetings just took on a whole new meaning. Be Aware. Be Very Aware.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better micomanagement through technology.

1/10/2006 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no position on tru, 016, or sos. but i am first

1/10/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your an asshat

1/10/2006 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: GPS....don't kid yourself, that technology is in the future for sure. Other companies, private and public, have been using that for "productivity" (and other reasons). I don't see it happening soon, but 5/10 years down the road (?), governments sell it as a way to make police services more efficient (i.e., dispatching the nearest police car). The by-product is that the 911 center has the capability to monitor, track, and record the whereabouts of every police vehicle, in real time, 24/7.....

1/10/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous "NYPD RANT" said...

"NYPD RANT", the unauthorized blog site for the NYPD is interesting. Click on:


1/10/2006 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous alice said...

We are giong to see a huge increase in traffic stops and foot patrols in locations directly adjacent to lunch locations.

1/10/2006 02:59:00 AM  
Blogger Malcolm X's little brother said...

If ya didn't have nothing to hide, habe worry about the tracking?

1/10/2006 03:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Malcom's Big Brotha said...


1/10/2006 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, SCC is probably right with this. The powers that make the decisions go to these shows, see the flashy displays and go "Oooh!". They come back and say "I want this" which is why we get stuck with some of the stupid shit the department purchases.

Right now the department is looking at Hummers for police cars. Woo Hoo 8 mpg, yea that's smart. It's bad enough they have purchased Tahoes at $60K a pop. They piss money away on stupid shit but will fight us to the death over a 1% raise.

They buy regular police cars that the average person can't fit in by themselves let alone putting in a PDT, Camera, and emergency equipment with them. Right now the department is so short of cars that we have tactical and gang guys out there riding 4 deep on a regular night let alone double team night. This problem was caused by Fleet Management junking half the fleet when they took over for serious safty things they couldn't fix like a burnt out light bulb.

The procurement process the department goes through to buy something is a joke. The process takes so long which explains why the technology is 2 to 3 generations behind when we get it. It usually takes about a year or more to get something because of this process.

I will pack up my soapbox before I get going on the Finance Division.

1/10/2006 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got news for you all, the GPS system has been in your cars for years now... the PDT has one built in it. The new PDT is even better to track you. I was there when they were building the 911 center years ago and they gave us a demonstration just how it works. Now take a moment and relfect about that one boys and girls. By the way the CFD got them too.

1/10/2006 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Streets and San has been tracking snowplows for at least 3 snow seasons. Checking to see if the trucks are parked or doing friends side streets when they are supposed to be on the main streets. Also the supervisor's cars are tracked year round. They use devises on the vehicles and not their cell phones like the park district.

1/10/2006 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CFD has had this since 1996 or so for (at least) their dispatchers.

Transit systems are working on this, and some like the DC metro and the San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit System (BART) have clocks that tell you an estimated time for the trains a'coming. All based on GPS.

Their is a federal (FCC) MANDATE that location information be installed in cell phones for 911 purposes. Not there yet, but getting there.

The military uses this (and has long used this to great advantage) for battlefield mapping.

Step out of the shoes and don't think so defensively about misconduct being exposed. This is something that can be used to great effect. From the city's viewpoint, my greatest concern is that this information be kept, unconditionally, within the police department and the OEMC (or anyone with a warrant or agreement to see the same), at least on a real-time basis.

Its not something that the public (read: "criminals") should ever be able to access. In fact, given the number of criminals and gangbangers on this job, its not something that should be even accessible within the PD except on a VERY selected basis (like, inspectors for everyone, sergeants, lieutenants AND EXEMPTS, within their assignment group).

Bottom line, this could be used to prevent a lot of misconduct, but this could also be misused also. Wanna know where the inspectors are tonight? Where your sergeants, lieutenant and w/c are tonight?

On the other hand, what if they call for help? Now do we want to know exactly?

Does your friend want to know where all the C/D units are in the district or area?

Ugh, I can't help but think that the city won't think out the implications of this. Its a good idea for some reasons, and a very bad reasons for others. They better think about how this can be MISUSED when they are thinking about how it can be used.

1/10/2006 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous ex-IAD guy said...

IF there is a GPS in our PDT's, it is NOT being utilized by this Department at this time, and never has been. I don't know what exactly you saw down at OEMC, maybe a prototype or something.

I can tell you that IF we had GPS currently activated and useable by the Department, there wouldn't be an SOS unit because IAD and OPS would have been able to sustain 90% of the beefs that come in from those cowboys!

Sorry to put a damper on the paranoia. I agree that GPS is in our future by a couple years, but it is not being used now. Not even in the new Impalas, so you can stop that rumor right now too.

1/10/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they want to know where I am, I could care less.

1/10/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We will not have Global positioning systems installed until one of tsar daleys cronies or relatives builds, brokers or sells them.

1/10/2006 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:55 am

I checked the blog site for our NYPD counterparts. It's amazing how much we have in common. I also noticed that the "NYPD RANT" has spell check.

Click on: NYPD RANT

Some translations NYPD/CPD terminology follow:

MOS (Member of Service)= active P/O

1PP (One Police Plaza) = Headquarters.

RMP (Radio Motor Patrol) = marked squad car

"the bag" = the NYPD uniform (vs. plainclothes)

10-13 = our 10-1

"Popeye" = nickname for NYPD Commissioner (Supt.) Raymond Kelly.

(Detective) "squad": the dicks upstairs at each of 77 NYPD precincts.

"collar" = arrest

"skell" = bum, mope, scumbag, etc.

1/10/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this has been around for years why all the teeth nashing about where the car was in 005 at the fatal domestic a few years ago? What about the mythical beefs that come in the hundreds when SOS & TRU are in the districts? It would be pretty easy to see who was at that location. Obviously its not in use.

1/10/2006 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per informant at fleet management the next batch of new cars issued to the 1st District tactical unit will be GPS equip.

1/10/2006 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC blog

the PLUMB = Supt. of Police Cline

1/10/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prepare yourselves GPS's will be the future in your life, so anytime hat you run afoul of any half baked sgt.s, or without a clue supervisor each and everytime that they want to stick it to someone, all they will have to do is reach out and touch you for the smallest infractions.
Can you imagine someone like Cynthia White with her fingers at the pulse of one of these devices and all those individuals who live off of making life miserable for the lowly beat cops, just because they are so inept in what they suppose to do and can only justify their exsistence by berating others for the smallest of thing....maybe this is why they have less then 3000 people applying for this job

1/10/2006 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paranoia is bliss.

1/10/2006 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to bid to lock up or desk duty and eat all day and DO SHIT! They want a collared dog here I am eating bon bons in front of your desk!

1/10/2006 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They already bought the hummers

1/10/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More toys for SWAT. Meanwhile I cruise in an 90 Chevy with no heat or air, and it ain't a pool car.

1/10/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Blog is the most boring thing around, gee I wonder why?

1/10/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Due U No . . . . the new 8th District Station will require a swipe card and a keypad entry to get into the building. . . . big bro will know when you are in the district . . . . don't be late for Roll Call! Don't hang in the station too long!

1/10/2006 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They do that at plenty of places. Get out and live a lttle.

1/10/2006 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really don't think the GPS will be used unless misconduct is alleged. Some kind of dept order will be put in place to prevent whistleblowers and crybabys from going after working coppers.

The Dept already knows that SOS, TRU, TACT, and GANGS don't put in a full day everyday. They make the majority of arrests and do shit nobody else wants to do when there told to do it. They don't want numbers to go down. They know cars go to the hole every night on the 1st watch.

If they came with a full frontal assault on the few perks of the job the majority of us would do less than we already do and nobody would take the spots in units where you have to work harder to get the same pay. Does anybody think the DC's work a full day?

King Richard the chicken hearted won't attack the police unless forced to. Like another blogger stated. The powers that be will look at both sides of the equation. They have to. I can drive with blinders on all day if I have to.

Alot of us don't like the fatman but he didn't get bullied into firing the SGT for his stop of Meakes. As long as he's the boss he will try to do what he can to make things better without killing off the police. Dog ass do nothings do need to be aware and they should be watched. A little paranoia is a good thing, it keeps you honest. Total paranoia is a bad thing, it makes you useless. The bosses know this.

Stop gaps will be put in place to stop the Cynthia Whites of the Dept. She won't be able to access things without a good reason put in writing. She will still try but at least she'll have to leave a paper trail.

1/10/2006 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous wagon_ghoul said...

Did anyone see the GO on utilizing "Chicken Bombs" compliance as part of your duty eligibility? Apparently Cline's staff is putting together "Chicken Bombs" to replace the asp as an impact weapon. It consists of a mason jar, fresh chicken parts, milk and yeast. The mason jar is placed strategically so that upon completion of fermentation, a stinky explosion takes place. Anyone have any info?

1/10/2006 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Department already has a Hummer. OHare Law Enforcement Unit. Its Spiffy.

1/10/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big Brother sucks. Sure, spend millions on GPS's and squad cameras when we don't even have PDT's that work properly, the tool we use and need the most.
Way to spend that $150,000 Roddo!!
Way to give $1 million of my taxpayer dollars to a church. I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact your approval rating is in the shitter with an election coming up!
I love how liberals blast conservatives for violating church and state for wanting to call a christmas tree a christmas tree, yet the can give millions of taxpayers dollars to a church when it brings in the vote.

1/10/2006 03:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Have it better than most (Iguess) said...

Anonymous said...
Due U No . . . . the new 8th District Station will require a swipe card and a keypad entry to get into the building. . . . big bro will know when you are in the district . . . . don't be late for Roll Call! Don't hang in the station too long!

1/10/2006 12:42:26 PM

Got news for you.....All the new stations have wither key card, key pad or both.....This is nothing new.....It's a pain at times, buit other than that what's the big deal???

1/10/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess things could be worse for us.. check out the NYPD . . . . .

NYPD Swears In 1,121 New Recruits Who Will Get Just Over $25,000

NEW YORK -- The New York Police Department swore in more than 1,100 new recruits on Monday. They will be paid $25,100, which is the lowest starting salary for New York City police officers since the 1980s.

The starting salary was reduced by $15,000 in the new contract. Recruits sworn in last July earn more than $39,000.
Police Commissioner Ray Kelly blamed a state arbitrator for lowering the starting salary for police, saying it will hurt recruitment. The number of applicants for the February police test is down 30 percent from last year.
After six months at the police academy, a rookie's salary jumps to $32,700.

1/10/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted that thing about NYPD starting salaries going down (they significantly raised the salaries of just about everyone else) a few months ago here.

It ain't that bad. Those kids will be seeing rather large and progressive raises for the next 15 years, and they'll end up somewhere North of Chicago compensation... though it is more expensive in NYC.

1/10/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good maybe 1631 will stay on beat for once. Last night the were doing TVB from Cicero Ave. Come on you ass do something on beat. And this was 1st watch not 3rd.....

1/10/2006 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to: 1/10/2006 12:42:26 PM

All you have to do is go through the front door. You Don't have to swipe there.

1/10/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GPS is in the laptops.

1/10/2006 07:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just some info for you.

when you join the Police and are in the Academy, DON"T FALL ASLEEP IN CLASS!!! When you do there is a special unit in the sub-basement of the academy, they live under the range, who implants GPS chips in your ear. This unit is composed of the sons and daughters of supervisors who need a spot until their parent gives them the answers to the Detectives and Sgts test. If you are one of the unlucky ones who fell asleep the Dept now knows what you are doing 23 hrs a day. (It would be 24 but the server has to go down for service 1 hour every day) They can see what you see and what you are typing and this is all recorded. HMMMMM, come to think of it I fell asleep once in the academy. Wait, Ill be right back, someones knocking at my door. .........Hello?.....AAARRRRGGHHHHHHH!!!!! NOOOOOooooooooo.....

1/10/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Filmore96 said...

I think they may have GPS in my squad..because every morning im at rockwell for hours and the inspector keeps circling me but wont come into the lot...LOL..the "indians" are good for something

"bad boys bad boys whatcha going to do.."


1/10/2006 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spoke to a N.side garage guy more than a year ago. He told me that there is GPS in a few cars per dist already. It can be placed up under the dash and you'll never know. PDT's can be removed it won't be there. He also told me that the R Men have GPS.

1/10/2006 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your right. Fleet Mgt. (R-trucks) do in fact have GPS. However, your informent is wrong about GPS in squad cars...

1/11/2006 05:35:00 PM  
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