Ex-Squeeze Me?
Baking Powder? Huh? We jokingly (sarcastically even) thanked the governor yesterday for picking our pockets (and yours) to the tune of $150,000 dollars to cover the hurt feelings of a preacher to whom the truth means less than slamming the police for headlines. Now Rod "Free Money" Blagojevich has pledged a million dollars to rebuild a church? We're sorry, but did the state knock down the church? Did an employee of the governor's office set fire to the building? Perchance did a state rep or senator carelessly fling a cigarette into a vestibule?
We didn't think so. Doesn't the church have insurance? Isn't Conrad Roofing (the company who's blowtorches have been determined to have started the blaze) a properly licensed and bonded construction company? Do they have experience in church restorations? Did THEY carry insurance?
Sorry again, but the purpose of government isn't to bail out churches that burn to the ground. If the governor wants the state to maybe provide a low interest loan of some form to the church, we're sure he can talk to some banks for them. But pledging a million dollars of our money to a church we don't attend, have no interest in visiting except possibly as a historic landmark, and is of no interest at all to 99.9% of Illinois' 12.4 million people happens to be a little out of his realm. This is a blatant political stunt with our money and we aren't happy about it. Channel 2 and Channel 7 and SunTimes and Tribune coverage at the links.
UPDATE: Good Lord - Eric Zorn takes the same position? We guess the Cubs are a lock for the World Series this year. The world is ending.
We didn't think so. Doesn't the church have insurance? Isn't Conrad Roofing (the company who's blowtorches have been determined to have started the blaze) a properly licensed and bonded construction company? Do they have experience in church restorations? Did THEY carry insurance?
Sorry again, but the purpose of government isn't to bail out churches that burn to the ground. If the governor wants the state to maybe provide a low interest loan of some form to the church, we're sure he can talk to some banks for them. But pledging a million dollars of our money to a church we don't attend, have no interest in visiting except possibly as a historic landmark, and is of no interest at all to 99.9% of Illinois' 12.4 million people happens to be a little out of his realm. This is a blatant political stunt with our money and we aren't happy about it. Channel 2 and Channel 7 and SunTimes and Tribune coverage at the links.
UPDATE: Good Lord - Eric Zorn takes the same position? We guess the Cubs are a lock for the World Series this year. The world is ending.
posted by SCC at 9:00 AM
55 Comments:
Did anyone see that idiot singing (or trying to) at the service. What an embarassment. He's now opened the floodgates for every storefront MB church to set fire to their "church" and ask for free money.
Who will manuicure his helmet of locks once he is booted out by Topinka/Birkett? Maybe Meeks can hook him up with one of the shops in his neighborhood
Illinois Republican Party, note this constitutional violation of church and state when elections come along!!
FOP and PO's, note his constant police bashing and saying we are all racist once elections come along!!
Rod is just campaining in the black hood. Thats allright just try to give St. John Fisher, or some other catholic school money to rebuilt. Watch Fran and the time "s yell
It's easy to pledge money when it's not your money. He lost my vote for re-election.
I wouldn't doubt it if the owner of that roofing company is a major campaign contributor, and Uncle Roddy just bailed him out of a huge lawsuit.
Proof of what it's like to have a Daley protege in the Govenor's seat.
Whatever happened to the seperation of church and state?
I'll bet you the church never see's the million dollars. This is just another political stunt by our boy govenor. I didn't vote for him and never will, even if he didn't pull this.
Separation of Church and State is not an absolute "wall", notwithstanding attempts by an activist judiciary to construct the same based upon a distant letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
The separation means that the state cannot adopt or endorse one particular religion over any other. It does not mean that the state cannot accomodate all religions (including the "religion of no religion") equally.
I'm Karl Rove's dream insofar as I am a firm supporter of the evangelical base. I'm not an evangelical, but I feel pretty close to them. They and I are the ones screaming the loudest about the activist judiciary and the attempts to eliminate religion from all public life in this country. If I wanted that, I'd move to France.
Nevertheless, singling out a single church for a million does car and away cross the line. This is not under a program that protects all religions (including the religion of none). This is not under a state administered insurance program for historical places of worship that suffer disasters.
Which is to say, I wouldn't object to such a program if it existed. But it doesn't. This is a selective handout to an endorsed religion/religious institution. The ACLU should sue on this tomorrow.
And yes, I'll send $100.00 to restore the Church though it ain't my Church. As SCC indicates, this is not the G's decision to make.
Fricking joke ,this city is! I can't wait the 10 years it will take to retire and never look back at junoir Detroit.
The "governor" is trying to buy the black vote. That's obvious, that's what Chicago politicians do, they buy votes not earn them. His actions are outrageous, and sends the message that he thinks the black community can be bought.
The "governor" is increasing the divide among the people of the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois.
Even more offensive was his comment in which he painted ALL police officers (regardless of color) with the same racist brush.
Over the years, politicians have used and abused police departments for their own political advancement. That is what they do. I grew accustomed to it and used my vote as my voice of discontent. However, my vote is not enough this time. The "governor's" statements were injurious and unethical. But, most disturbing of all, his comments have gone uncontested. Where is Mark Donahue? Where is my union?
I am going to the FOP meeting on 17 Jan @ 1900hrs and I want answers. Come join me and lets raise some hell.
WOW!
I never thought I would see the day that I actually agreed with Eric Zorn. Whats next? Death and Taxes? I'm sure when his liberal buddies get a hold of him he will change his tune and find some way to justify it. Just like a couple of months ago when Mark Brown wrote his article stating that maybe G.W. was right on Iraq. Boy did he change his tune a day later.
Just read Eric Zorns column,it's probably the only time in my life I've agreed with him,but he hit the nail on the head.We have to get rid of Blago and Turbin durbin!
Just out of curiousity, whatever happened to the bill for all that flu vaccine that we as taxpayers were supposed to eat because of Blago's decision in 2004? How much longer are we going to have to pay for this goof's guffaws?
ACLU has filed suit on this one. Not a fan of them but they sure got this one right.
Another reason to move as far from here as possible.
I, too, was also taken aback by the Governor's grand gesture. I bet you a dime on a dollar, if that church was located in the Edison Park area, he would not have made a million dollar donation. Won't insurance cover the cost of rebuilding? And, wasn't it the fault of the roofers/construction workers? If the church wasn't insured for full replacement costs to rebuild in case of a fire, then in my opinion, it wasn't so historic, was it, Governor?
We have homeless people, schools need more funding, police officers and firefighters need raises, people are losing money from their pension funds, health care is out of control, prescription medication is worse, shall I go on?
How do most of you feel. Can I safely say, I'm right!!! I will now read the Sun-Times article everyone suggested.
Hey lil brother, this has nothing to do with race. It's about who is flipping the bill. Taxpayers when the people responsible and their insutance companies should be.
Hey Malcolm,
Even you know that if it happened in any other American Neighborhood than one of a darker pigment (I don't Consider myself European American but an American, You can isolate yourself from the rest of the country if you wish.) There is no way the Gov would be offering money.
Judge Shoots Down County’s Second Attempt To Obtain Identity Of Deputies Posting Comments On Web Site
From The Tampa Tribune, January 4
TAMPA, FL – A judge has shot down a second attempt by the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office to get the names of deputies making anonymous postings on a law enforcement Web site.
Circuit Judge Marva Crenshaw quashed subpoenas that would have allowed the sheriff's office to identify the authors of anonymous messages left on http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=rbd8wrbab.0.yz9oxrbab.nrxr54aab.414&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.leoaffairs.com. The privately run site says it's a sounding board for law enforcement officers who want to discuss their departments.
The sheriff's office filed a lawsuit in August that claims several "John Doe" deputies were posting sexist and racist messages anonymously, in violation of department policy. It seeks to prevent deputies from posting messages that violate policy.
Crenshaw said she would not prevent the deputies from posting messages but that racist and sexist messages had to be removed, which the Web site owners did.
The lawsuit also asks for help identifying the deputies so they can be disciplined. Crenshaw initially allowed the sheriff's office to issue subpoenas that would force the owners of www.leoaffairs.comto reveal the Internet service provider addresses used by the anonymous message posters.
The Web site was not named in the suit, but attorneys for the site argued that the First Amendment protects anonymous speech and protects the site from having to reveal the addresses.
Sheriff's attorneys argued that the department's need to keep order in its ranks overrides the First Amendment.
Crenshaw agreed with Web site's attorneys and repealed the subpoenas.
Her decision comes four months after a similar ruling by Judge William Levens regarding the same Web site.
In a separate case, sheriff's attorneys argued that deputies on the site made reference to the investigation of Steve and Marlene Aisenberg's missing baby and that the information was vital. The Aisenbergs are suing the sheriff's office, alleging malicious prosecution.
In that case, Levens also ruled that the sheriff's office could not secure the names of deputies posting on the site.
TO MALCOLM:
I HOPE THE PEOPLE OF "YOUR HERITAGE" PROTECT YOU FROM FOREIGN EVIL,INCLUDING TERRORISTS. I HOPE YOU SLEEP WELL AND SOUND TONIGHT WHILE "YOUR HERITAGE" PROTECTS OUR BORDERS. THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN SPEEK FREE WILL ON THIS COMPUTER IS BECAUSE OF COUNTLESS SACRIFICES BY "AMERICAN ARMED FORCES". HOW DARE YOU AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN CLAIM YOUR HERITAGE BEFORE BEING AN AMERICAN.
So you're what, african first? care to tell us what nation? Now you get to blame whitey for no geneological history. We have malcolm 10 lil bro here pledging alligence to a foreign power - but he doesn't know what power that is - in violation of the very oath he took to be the police. What a knobjob you are. You better hope they can't trace these posts.
You used to have government for the people and by the people. We are in power now! Enjoy your better government by extortion.
Shut up and may your fucking taxes or we'll take your house and put YOU in the shithouse. Maybe we'll just kill you like Janet did the folks in WACO...
Pure Politics.. to ensure the compliance of blacks and get their votes. The Governor may be a piece of Shit, but he ain't stupid!
However, I agree with the moderator, and am disgusted by this. Did the Governor pledge a million dollars to help with our completion of the Police memorial?..And know doubt he will seek the F.O.P. endorsement again at election time!
All this Governor knows how to do, is give away the store, tell the same old tired story about his immigrant parents,blah,blah,blah, and issue press releases touting how wonderful he is. Oh, and maintain that same old, out-of-date 1970's HAIRSTYLE! The guy's a GOOF!
I hate speaking of race issues but I just would like to comment.
The First ammendment gives Malcolm the right to speak his mind. Just as it gives others the right to disagree with him and comment on it. As skewed as Malcolm and Lefty's (sorry Lefty you are part of the free speech thought) comments are sometimes, I got to tell you guys it is good stuff to get a discussion going. I personally enjoy reading some of their comments. It usually gets the blood boiling or makes you go "HMMM".
I would venture to say that most of what is posted on this blog wouldn't be uttered aloud in a group unless all the members were of a like mind.
Part of living in our free society is allowing a person to say something you vehemently detest but you will defend to the death his right to say it.
Back to the Blago donation. I heard an interview with Blago after and he said it was for the school. Since when do we use public funds to build a private school? I am sure the downstate boys will have a field day with this stuff. OOOH, we haven't had an impeachment in a while lets use the million to do that.
malcolm ten lil bro said:
I am a person of my heritage first and an American second. Finally, to quote "lefty," I too consider him YOUR president and not mine.
That sure sounds like you're denying our country and our president. You are still subject to the laws of this country and the oath of your office. Don't assume that I am "european" in origin just because I call your bullshit for what it is. I certainly don't see you leaving the US.
Construe this statement as racist if you must. As the old saying goes "Go back to ----". In your case Africa. You are a hell of a lot better off here than in Africa, so quit complaining about being here. If you don't like it, leave. Did give me the shit about not having the choice to be here 'cause neither did I or any other person who was born here. On a side note, talk to any of the recent immigrants from Africa. Yes, the ones who bust their humps 18 hours a day. They get infuriated if you lump them in with the blacks that are from America. They despise the way "African Americans" (in general) behave. Pretty funny actually.
FOP....can you take a public position on all this please?
I hate to see my tax dollars wasted on TWO crossing guards for Immaculate Conception school, when almost every other public school in the 41st ward is lucky to get one. Used to be a 24/7 detail in 011 for a Catholic school on the south end of the district. That church off Doty gets a traffic detail during it's services. I'm sure a lot of churchs, temples etc. get "extra" special attention
and no one beefs about it. I am disgusted at that democrat looking for votes and wasting my tax money, but I don't turn a blind eye
when my own church gets a benny. It's a shame when I hear city workers beef about how much tuition costs when you have some of the highest ranked grammar schools in the state, as your area schools. Can't bus kids in if the area kids fill the school.
Crimefile:
You want disclosure? So do we.
Crimefile, are you, in anyway being employed by, or paid by, or compensated in any fashion by Howard Morgan, the Morgan family, estate, legal team, or anonymous donor, or anyone else involved with him or this case?
Crimefile, have you had any contact with Howard Morgan, the Morgan family, estate, legal team, or anonymous donor, or anyone else involved with him or this case prior to, or after the incident in question?
The funny part of all malcoms nonsense would be that true Africans (Blacks) hate the Americanized version. Lets face it when the African tribal chiefs sold people (Slaves) to the white man, (YES IT WAS BLACKS THAT SOLD BLACKS) they did not sell the cream of the crop. They sold the garbage they wanted to get rid of. And after 400 years of breeding we have the ultimate in genetic failure.
If you are a person of whatever heritage first and an American second, then you you are also a public servant of the citizens of Chicago second. That is in violation of your oath as a police officer. Do you put your race in front of the rest of the citizens of city? Its typical Black logic. Me...me...me...That's why Blacks, as a race will always be behind. There is nothing the white man can do to you that you will not do a better job of yourselves. Maybe one day your race will be able to see the forest. Until then, keep isolating yourselves and doing everything backasswards.
On a different note, expect Big Head Donahue and the rest of FLOP to endorse Helmet Head Blago again. Didn't the state stop paying into the teacher's pension fund to balance the budget? I'm sure the teachers are real happy about the $1 Million.
What about white people that come to America from africa. Yes, they exist. There are even some on this job. Are they to be considered African-American.
To Malcolm X's Lil Brother:
Get over this crap about "European-American". I and most other people would be Irish-American, or Italian-American, or Polish-American. We would not consider ourselves to be European-American. If anything, more than a few of us are at best mongrels, which would put us in the Irish-Italian-Polish-and countless other heritages-American class. I am a fourth generation American. I don't attribute any heritage to myself and there are many like that. The only thing you have in common with an African is your skin color. You are probably clueless, as to what country's heritage you are part of, anyway from Africa. Besides, I know of several people who are as white as white can be and are African-Americans. Imagine someone who is from Egypt or South Africa or any number of other countries are white, but they are now living in America, they are as African-American as you.
Your use of the term irritates me and I had to sound off about it.
Anonymous said...
Crimefile:
You want disclosure? So do we.
Crimefile, are you, in anyway being employed by, or paid by, or compensated in any fashion by Howard Morgan, the Morgan family, estate, legal team, or anonymous donor, or anyone else involved with him or this case?
Crimefile, have you had any contact with Howard Morgan, the Morgan family, estate, legal team, or anonymous donor, or anyone else involved with him or this case prior to, or after the incident in question?
1/10/2006 11:30:34 PM
I addressed this in the comments sectiom of the, "The Strange Case Of Howard Morgan" in my blog tonight...
As a AMERICAN of African descent, I for once have to agree with the Eurpopean posters. This is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Pilgrim M.B.C. had to be insured. and in lieu of that the contractors are civily liable. Also any financial shortfall can and should be made up for by US in the black community. Having said that, I wonder if my white conterparts would be protesting as loud if Holy Name Cathedrial had burned down and the Governor made a similar offer to Cardinal George. hmmmmmm.
If Holy Name, or any other Catholic church burned down, it would be insured! What may not be covered would be covered by the parishioners or maybe the diocese.
I have nothing against Pilgrim M.B.C. but our tax dollars should not be pledged to repair it. Period! Blago is just courting the black vote.
Yes, the "BLACK" vote, not the "African American" vote. Blacks are not the only race indigenous to the African continent. "European American" is incorrect also, given the variety of differences between all the European countries.
Just another PC term to make everyone feel good. If you want to call me whitey, I'm not offended, and if I was offended, I should get fucked. There's nothing disparaging about being a black person, white person, red person, yellow person.....but GREEN! Yes, there is something wrong with being a green person, but that's another discussion.
Anonymous said...
FOP....can you take a public position on all this please?
1/10/2006 11:06:29 PM
Don't hold your breath on this one either!!! Sorry if the truth hurts. The cowardly lions will not stir up the great deal they have by taking a public position. .
Tell me, Malcolm X's little bro., if this is not racist!
http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/kamboidiot.wmv
PRICELESS:
Page 23 of Slum Times. Dude is illegally gambling on street corner. Police arrive and he of course flees, also illegal. During pursuit offender abruptly changes directions. Squad car hits offender while fleeing. City pays 2 million $ to offenders family. Only in Chicago. PRICELESS.
How did we get stuck with this crime file retard. Stay in the fantasy land of Hollywood. Shouldn't you be helping O.J. search the golf courses of America for the "real killers".
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How did we get stuck with this crime file retard. Stay in the fantasy land of Hollywood. Shouldn't you be helping O.J. search the golf courses of America for the "real killers".
1/11/2006 08:25:39 AM
That's the dream assignment I've been waiting for!!! Please can you arrange for for this? I'd keep looking until I found all of those bastards! That's tough work but somebody has to do it!
I don't like all the racial remarks on here only because the outside world read this shit. I will say one thing about this church fire, it sucks to have your church burnt down to the ground. second the insurance will pay for almost all of it. Then the MINORITY contracter they hired to fix the roof that started all this crap will have to use his or her insurance as well. Where does the million dollars fit in? Is that for marble toilets and gold tiolet seats? Thsi church was a jewish temple before it was a black church, I wonder if the jewish people still ran it if it would get 1 million dollars to fix it?
Blago learns nothing from Ryan, you are not a GOd you are a crappy in debt Gov.
Yet another reason to vote for a Republican governor. If Blago thinks this will get him minority votes, he is wrong, again. But as a previous poster pointed out, just because he pledged $1 million, doesn't mean that the church will see a dime of it!
"And for your votes, I will give you $1 millllllllliiiiion dollars."
I do not trust Crimefile. His interest in the Howard Morgan case goes beyond "watching for the cheap seats" (his own words).
I would recommend that no officer speaks to him or posts anything that may involve a criminal or civil matter.
Ah, our tax dollars at work. It just shows how pathetic politicians are. Blago has no record to run on, he has done nothing in his time in office, so he gives away our money and bashes the police. He needs the Black vote. Everyone else is disgusted with him. Just like LBJ's famous quote ...I'll have ni@#$%s voting Democratic for a hundred years.
As to FOP, F@#$ Our Police, they will do nothing. They are politicians too. They say one thing, do another, and laugh all the way to the bank. They are as useless as tits on a bull and dead flies on day old s@#$.
As to FOP, F@#$ Our Police, they will do nothing. They are politicians too. They say one thing, do another, and laugh all the way to the bank. They are as useless as tits on a bull and dead flies on day old s@#$.
1/11/2006 01:36:50 PM
"I SECOND THAT!!!"
The minute this F/1 heard Blago promise $1,000,000 to the the church, I said, "He just lost my vote."
I'm going "to the other side" and vote republican.
African American is a bullshit term. So is European American.
What about the kid whose father is Swedish and mother is Egyptian? He looks like he's from England, but he's both African American and European American!
Bullshit PC terms are getting out of hand. If you're white, so what? If you're black, again, so what?
Now, if someone wanted to use the term Irish American, or Kenyan American, that may make sense, but again, how many people are really true blooded?
Practically all of us are Heinz 57 and I for one will be glad when the PC pendulum swings back and everyone stops the bullshit.
Blago has twenty million dollars in his war chest. If he really believs this is the right thing to do, why doesn't he pay for it out of his own pocket?
someone file a law suit about seperation of church and state!
You can't say a fuckin prayer at a public school but the gov can give state money to a church? Something is WRONG!
To Malcolm 10's little brother:
Maybe if your "own people" hadn't been so happy to sell their own people to begin with, "you" never would have been stripped of anything. Ther's nothing more embarrassing than someone named Malcolm talking out the side of his mouth.....no wait, the original did too.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.........honestly the gov pledged the $$$, But without the legislation approving this type of donation then his move is purely political......he looks good in the view of the people.........gov 1 people 0.
This guy from crime file is a complete "troll".
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