Wednesday, February 15, 2006

Who Has Details?

Weapons seizure on the southwest side. 300 or more guns confiscated as they were being loaded into a van. We had to call home and make sure it wasn't our arsenal that they were taking away as ours is set to detonate should unauthorized access occur. Channel 2 coverage also.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats with that gangbanger jailguard who let his fellow inmates go free? I think hes an m/1.5? Privatize the jail lose that money pit to lowest bidder!!!!!

2/15/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know who got the gun bust but a big Atta Boy to them!

Went to the Solario wake tonight and watched as his TRU Officers had to wait outside in the cold during St Jude to accomodate all the brass being in there. What's up with that?

2/15/2006 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They're important - his buddies aren't - that simple!!!!!

2/15/2006 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K-Boogie Way to go! Cop that did the Search Warrant is a great guy! Rumors are abound; anything from a white supremisist, to some goof selling them to our beloved gang bangers, to a survivalist, to a cop who was after "leftie" and "malcom x's lil bro", and yes, SCC, even you were at question for a few moments (until the 1st post came out)!

2/16/2006 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Chicago Police Department's Area Two Gun Team executed a search warrant Wednesday, and recovered more than 300 Guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Alert System Attachment

2/16/2006 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: the seizure of 300 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition....great job by our guys. Now, some estimates, there are 300 million firearms (handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc.) in circulation in America. Even if this estimate is off by a 100 million or so (i.e., 200 million instead of 300 million), this seizure means that there are 199,999,700 weapons left; and perhaps more to the point, the gun suppliers have more of a market to fill. The point....what's the point?

2/16/2006 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice pinch for the working police

2/16/2006 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

If this is a raid on a legitamate gun collector like that bogus Marina City raid 15 years ago this sucks big time.

I doubt that gang bangers would have what's described.

It took eight years but in the Marina City raid all guns including the semi-automatic so called assault weapons were returned by court order. No convictions or supervision for any allegations were obtained.

This sounds like Daley's gun hatred war and nothing else...

2/16/2006 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CRIMEFILE-- Would you PLEASE just go away??????

2/16/2006 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with you, crimefile.

2/16/2006 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/16/2006 01:59:00 AM  
Anonymous notahousemouse said...

Hey crimefile you anti-police fuck why don't you go fuck yourself.

SCC I would like to vote him off the island please? Would anyone else like to second my request?

2/16/2006 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would you doubt gangbangers would buy any of the guns the guy had Crimefile? I didn't know they had standards, do they qualify too?

2/16/2006 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The warrant that was executed on Marina Towers was executed by Gang Crimes South. The guy that was arrested was wearing a "death from above "t" shirt, had a paramilitary haircut. Books in the place were survivalist stuff eg:after the bomb and boobytraps made easy.He was also a multimillionare and although I never saw a badge, he was a Cook county Sheriff. (not in a legit way). All of the weapons that were recovered from him were tagged and catalogged except one. If I remember correctly there were approximately 500 weapons recovered over a two day period. The guy had a ffl also.

2/16/2006 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC I would like to vote him off the island please? Would anyone else like to second my request?

2/16/2006 05:32:02 AM


2/16/2006 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crimefile can stay as far as I'm concerned. And the Marina City "cache" he speaks of was from a bonafide collector.

I'm taking a wait and see approach before I give an opinion.

2/16/2006 07:59:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

More on the Marina City Gun raid…

The victim of the raid was Francis Samp. He was a wealthy retired insurance man who became a sworn Cook County Adult Probation officer and friend of mine. He acquired a million dollar gun collection with lots engraved handguns. They were stored mostly new inside boxes inside Moser’s Arms Vaults. He bought, sometimes traded his guns but never sold ANY. They were all registered and he was a federally licensed collector with the ability to buy and sell firearms across state lines.

The city changed the Gun Registration law to require new registration and a fee every five years. “Licensed sellers” of firearms were exempt from registration under this poorly drafted law.

Area Two Gang Crimes went after anyone that had lots of guns registered under the prior system and did not renew registration. Samp had well over 900 guns and did not register them again because of the “Licensed Sellers” exemption. Some 200 of Samp’s were to a suburban location where Samp owned property.

Soon a phony affidavit appeared claiming Samp was “selling guns” to gang members. That was “manufactured” probable cause and nothing more as an excuse to kick down Samp’s door, disgrace him and get him fired from the Adult Probation job he held. Samp was charged with 700 or so counts of failure to register (Quasi-Criminal city violations).

Then State’s Attorney Richie Daley whined on national TV that Samp could not be charged with a felony.

The Gang Crimes Bozos got Department Commendations as this garbage wound it's way through the court system for eight years. There was never one incident where Samp was involved with selling any guns produced in court.

The City was forced to return each and every gun only after Samp went through $100,000.00 in legal fees to get justice.

Forgive me if I suspect this has nothing to do with street gangs and only some collector who like guns and lives in a country where that’s a Constitutional Right.

That does not somehow make me anti-police when politicians like Daley have proven they are above the laws we all live under.

2/16/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure how many guns were recovered but they belonged to a 60 year old M/2 (not that that makes any difference) with no criminal history (that I could find). He was a gun collector...that's it. A check of E-track reveals 235 inventories with an MCC charge listed (fail to register) and a Branch 35 court date. A FUCKING JOKE. Look at the guns taken...old rifles, collectors pistols that aren't even made anymore. These asshole coppers took this guy's life collection. You guys should be hanging your heads and feel truly ashamed of yourselves. This is not police work. And then they have the nerve to tell the media that he's selling to bangers. You bums! Nothing but a numbers game. Sickening and disgraceful. Nice grab boys!

2/16/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waste of time.

2/16/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

2/16/2006 07:50:28 AM was pretty much correct about what he posted. Samp was a Cook County Deputy Sheriff (Holliday Court Baliff)but had to return that star when he bacame a full time probation officer. He was still a valid peace officer in the State of Illinois.

Samp was never arrested any other time and is well into his 70's today. He moved out of Chicago in disguest and sold millions of dollars of real estate he used to pay taxes.

Samp was an Army Vereran who was drafted after the Korean War had ended but before Viet Nam.

Samp also had a small fleet of collector's military cars all of which were used in the making of the Blues Brothers movie in 1979.

2/16/2006 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What collector needs mutiple brand
new identical 308 rifles with scopes for his collection. NOT these were for sale to the highest bidder. Many multiple moderm high power weapons, along with many old collectible weapons.

2/16/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On it's face, this could be considered a pimpy move. On the other hand, what if some mules in the neighborhood broke into his house and stole his collection. Then we'd be left to deal with 300 more guns on the street.

2/16/2006 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DISBAND THE AREA GUN TEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/16/2006 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Hey, if Daley had his way all you guys would have rubber guns. It's one thing to grab guns from criminals on the streets with bad intentions.

Chicago's gun laws should be repealed. Nationwide concealed carry for the law-abiding should be in place.

If the new Supreme Court takes up a gun case all the bogus gun laws may bite the dust.

The Second Amendment does exist even though Daley and Chicagos worthless politicians hate it.

Remember the oath all cops must swear, to protect and defend the Constitution? The laws of the City of Chicago were last on that list.

I wish Mayor Daley a speedy heart attack...

2/16/2006 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "offender" in the search warrant had no guns recovered in crimes EVER.........just an old collector and shame on you rubberheads who think this is a good pinch....go find real criminals not an MCC violator....with all the guns in the City in the hands of criminals...A2 Gun Team should be ashamed.....

2/16/2006 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there is any PROOF that this old guy was in fact selling guns to gang bangers, then by all means throw the book at him. But, if he is a legitimate gun owner/collector,what is the problem here? The last time I checked the second ammendment to our constitution of this great nation says that you have the right to keep and bear arms, PERIOD!

2/16/2006 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When are the citizens of Chicago going to wake up and realize that there are not enough police officers out there to protect them. Wake up! YOU need to be able to protect yourselves and your families. Why should we be penalized AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM TO PROTECT OURSELVES just because we live in the kingdom of daley?

2/16/2006 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The papers keep saying about the location, right across from a school. How far is the location from the 8th District???????

2/16/2006 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, this is the work of you typical gun-nazi cops! Only cops should have guns,right. If the regular guy can't have guns then the cop should leave his at the station. Fair is Fair. But you cops are scared, walk everywhere with your man-purse. The boogie-man is outside your door! Oh, No. If the weapon is not duty related, you shouldn't own it, right.

2/16/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember many moons ago in 025 some young bucks on 3rd watch who thought they were the shit hit a responsible gun collectors house and took what amounted to his life savings in weapons. Even went so far as to carve their initials into these weapons, many which were antiques. They couldn't stop patting themselves on the back for months.

Wonder how it feels to prostitute yourself for an Honorable Mention and a shot at the "06" car?

By the way, I'm pretty sure that the collector got all his guns back too. He should have been able to carve his initials in those asshole coppers!

2/16/2006 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To post 10:14:57 YOU sir are an IDIOT! If you want to be able to have a gun tom protect yourself or family, start screaming at your alderman to change the STUPID gun laws we have in this city so you, as a taxpaying citizen,can protect yourself! Other wise, stop whinning about the police being the only ones that can have a handgun!

2/16/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 2/16/2006 09:21:02 AM

Worried about mules with guns? Then join the real police, whats left of us anyway, and start stopping the mules in their cars and in the alleys and on side streets to get guns out of their hands, instead of hitting thirteen-year-old kids with BS City disorderly, or rounding up five teenagers sharing one bottle of beer between them to get your numbers.

2/16/2006 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been on raids like this and all I can say is that they have been the lowest points in my career. The Sgt and the Lt. will stand in front of the camera's and talk about how dangerous this gun is or how this one can cut you in half and then go sit at the computer and start writing up the awards for themselves and the two whores that got this info from the guys shithead ex-son-in-law(usually). For the coppers who think this is good police work, let me know what you think of it when the gun team goes to talk to your wife while your at work, like they were going. Not all of these big gun seizures are bad, the one in Riverside with the retired trooper trading guns for crack was good work. Just don't wave shit in our face and tell us its a rose.

2/16/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a waste of money and manpower if this "Gun Seizure" proves to be for naught. If this man is a legitimate collector with no proveable connection to illegal activities....multiple quasi criminal complaints that will eventually go no where cluttering up an already over burden court system. Imagine several years from now when this is all forgotten and the media frenzy no longer exsist, this guy is quietly and without fanfare returned his property and charges sheepishly drop.....what a terrible thing to do to a person. We can only hope that CPD got it right or is it the CITY attempting to distract the public for its real short coming

2/16/2006 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/16/2006 11:19:10 AM

You're the "Real Police"? You sound like another 5 yr wonder to me!

2/16/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/16/2006 07:50:28 AM was pretty much correct about what he posted. Samp was a Cook County Deputy Sheriff (Holliday Court Baliff)but had to return that star when he bacame a full time probation officer. He was still a valid peace officer in the State of Illinois.

Samp was never arrested any other time and is well into his 70's today. He moved out of Chicago in disguest and sold millions of dollars of real estate he used to pay taxes.

Samp was an Army Vereran who was drafted after the Korean War had ended but before Viet Nam.

Samp also had a small fleet of collector's military cars all of which were used in the making of the Blues Brothers movie in 1979.

2/16/2006 09:05:12 AM Also, if I remember correctly one of the bullshit revolvers (there was only one) came back as not registered or hot. I don't remember which. That collection was pretty much awesome and most of them were in new condition. The folks in Marina Towers were pretty much in liberal shock as the weapons were taken down the elevator. One woman with a poodle looked like she was gonna faint.

2/16/2006 01:03:00 PM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Good memory on the Samp gun case!

It was a pistol, not a revolver!

There was one gun in Samp’s collection, a S&W Model #52 .38 special, semi-automatic pistol where the serial number came up HOT. That one was fun!

I contacted Roy Jinks, the S&W historian and asked him is they issued other .38 specials with the same serial number. The answer was YES! Because they were different models they DID duplicate many serial numbers! He promptly gave me a sworn affidavit that reflected the policy of S&W on the serial numbers. That policy was quickly changed by S&W.

I finally got a copy the decade old Atlanta GA police report on the stolen gun from the CPD. I then had to track down the owner and did so. He was an old legless Black man who described his gun as a revolver and proceeded to give me the original S&W box that the gun in question was in when he purchased it! It was a Model #10 4” blue revolver!

I returned to Chicago with the box and a sworn affidavit from the man and that single charge under State’s Attorney Richie Daley’s jurisdiction evaporated!

That screw up was an honest mistake and the fault of an Atlanta patrolman that did not properly record the stolen gun's model number on the report a decade earlier.

The bottom line was only the alleged MCC violations remained. Now we know the rest of the story!

2/16/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Blogger DaleyforMCCguest said...

What collector needs mutiple brand
new identical 308 rifles with scopes for his collection. NOT these were for sale to the highest bidder. Many multiple moderm high power weapons, along with many old collectible weapons.

Who are you to say how many of what I need or should have. Do you have more than one of something you enjoy, even though there almost identical? Nice try. I have many identical items that I bought when the price was right.

2/16/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also seem to remember that mr.Samp said that the seizure of those weapons didn't even scratch his collection. You could tell he wasn't doing illegal things with those weapons. I would just like to know who cleaned them for him, they were spotless and mine need a good cleaning!!!

2/16/2006 02:18:00 PM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Okay tell me when and where new identical 308 rifles with scopes were used in any crime?

I'm not sure what raid these were from?

Samp had locked military rifle racks filled with nearly every different make of 03A3 Sprinfiled WWI bolt actions and the same for the M1 Garands.

2/16/2006 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Anonymous said...
I also seem to remember that mr.Samp said that the seizure of those weapons didn't even scratch his collection. You could tell he wasn't doing illegal things with those weapons. I would just like to know who cleaned them for him, they were spotless and mine need a good cleaning!!!
2/16/2006 02:18:55 PM

That's a good question! I was the one that filled out the orginal registration slips for him, cleaned and oiled everything for storage. Like I said Francis Samp was my friend.

I also helpped Samp obtain the Mosier vaults, locking racks and alarm system for what some Chicago cops would later call a bunker on the 44th floor of the East Tower of Marina City.

Samp also shot with the Chicago Police Bule Star Pistol League with Sgt. Roy Swanson.

2/16/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/16/2006 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Dick Cheney's Gunsmith said...

I couldn't in good conscience "fuck with" the average,middle class,law-abiding gun-owner.(The gang-bangers, now that's another story!)

Besides I know many other Police Officers who are Collectors (aka..GUN NUTS..Like many of the range guys for example.Just kidding guy's!) It's their 2nd Amd. right.

However, I hate the way that some officers are HYPOCRITES in that every payday they buy another weapon to add to their collection.But if they encounter the normal average citizen who owns a gun or talks in conversation with other officer's about this becomes "blah,blah,blah, scum citizens, blah, piece of shit, blah, blah..I would have locked them up!"

I am a constitutionalist. I just think the 2nd Amd. applies to all law-abiding citizens, not just cops and aldercreatures(Ex.Dorothy Tillman)

Too many cops think they're the only ones qualified to be armed. I know several cops that have accidently shot themselves, etc. and are still employed.

Ask any range officer, they'll tell stories of 20-30 year veterans on the range with no muzzle control pointing it wildly every where..yada, yada, yada. (Example the Cop who qualifies by shooting 30 round per year. No additional training ever. 30x30= 900 rounds fired in their career..Compare that to some "Gun Enthusiast or hobbyist" Aka:citizen. I know some that fire 900 rounds in a "week-end" outing at the range or gun club!

I know many non-police gun owners that are more consciencious, and better trained then many police professionals.JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SWORN POLICE DOESN"T MAKE US ALL EXPERTS!

For background:I am NOT a liberal or conservative.In fact I'm a moderate ,a police officer who only owns 2 handguns-both duty related (who doesn't have a problem with the 2nd Amd. as written) Let's uphold it!

2/16/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! The Area 2 Gun Team did an OUTSTANDING job hooking up a gun collector, who no doubt was selling numerous WWI Russian revolvers to gang bangers around the city. I'm sure he was also selling every single action Cowboy-style revolver he could to local Two-Six so they can get to the streets and have shoot outs. Not to mention the Latin Kings forming a line outside his house all hoping for the chance to buy that WWII German P-38 Luger.


Sound silly? It is. On it's face, this is a tremendous pinch. No doubt the members of the Area 2 Gun Team will be decorated as heroes at the next available Department Awards Ceremony, as a stream of members walk across the stage for thier Special Commendation for recovering fake demilled solid cast grenades (available from Sportsmans Guide for 6 bucks a piece), bullet loading dies (only used by people who load their own ammo, a craft far beyond the average person) and 'assault weapons' (World War I Springfield BOLT ACTION RIFLES that have an attachment for a bayonet and thereby are listed as an 'Assault Weapon' by the city). The amazing drive home made by these officers, who will no doubt stop each 100 feet to kiss thier biceps and say ,"I'm the MAN!" while looking in the rear view mirror may cause traffic delays.

They should each go home and hang their heads in shame.

The minute you people realize that many of the weapons listed in the recoveries by this 'Search Warrant' team are technically listed as 'antiques' (over 100 years old) and are thereby exemp from registration and not even able to be fired due to NO AMMO BEING MANUFACTURED in 60 years, thats when you will see this is a load of fucking bullshit. Just because they called a fucking press conference and laid all te weapons out in some self-serving love fest doesn't mean they did the right thing.

I thought this kind of shit was only done by the less-than-scrupulous members of SOS, who at a moments notice basicly burglarized numerous gun collections and hit (in my recent memory) three different old men(one was in 70's) with over 70 city ordinance complaints of 'failure to register' for having his gun collectionin safes, all with gun locks in the attic of his Canaryville home. Or the other old man in his 60's who was charged with over 50 counts of 'UUW by felon' for having a similar collection of WW1 and WW2 weapons in his house and car, EACH WITH A CURRENT CITY REGISTRATION CARD. He was charged with UUW by felon because years prior he was charged with 'armor piercing rounds', plead guilty and was pardoned by the Govenor because it came out that SOS sandbagged him. No suit 'cause he was just an old guy happy to get his collection back, including a $30,000 Broomhandled Mauser.
Or the School Principal with 80 or so guns in his collection that was also charged with the 'failure to register' crap. Bullshit, all bullshit. That last one is in Federal court and is the reason why Law Enforcement may be fucked in using an excellent tool in tracking REAL gun runners, the 'F-Tip' State Police system that tracks multiple gun purchases. It is alleged the officers involved in that one used the 'F-Tip' system to track a 'gun runner' who they know lived in Chicago, but it was oly a collector with no criminal history.

Another indication that this arrest is bullshit (outside of the obvious 300 'Failure to Register' charges) is that fact thatr the ATF agents didn't take it right away. The current trend in the Assistant US States Attorney office is to be the first ones to charge the offender, not the City or State. It means a stronger case, less confusion. They take the statements, take control of the inventory and they call the shots, since they will be prosecuting. None of this was present here, no doubt because of what the case really is.

Dont get me wrong: badguys are in possession of all kinds of guns and they should go to jail. We should do search warrants and charge people with guns. And many of the guns recovered in this instance could fall int the hands of badguys if not kept under lock and key, but it really looks like this 'awesome' pinch is simply the sandbagging of a 60 year old man with no criminal history who was a collector.

And thats a fucking shame.

2/16/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pimps. No, Super Pimps. Good job, Daley chumps.

2/16/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Dick Cheney's Gunsmith said...

Why the anger in the above post? Jealous..Not really. Must have struck a nerve. Is that poster a member of the A/2 Gun team?

I don't know the facts of the case. I won't comment beyond "If its legit, good job officers..if it's sandbagging some average, law abiding citizen, shame on you!"

Now don't get cute with the "blah, blah, blah, Mayor Daley say's, failure to register, misdemeanor bullshit, blah, blah, blah!"

I know the difference between an "on-view, unavoidable, must arrest to cover one's ass gun pinch, because the yuppy salesman from the burb's who's never been in trouble forgot he left it in the glove compartment in his car" and "sandbagging some citizen with a bullshit C/I or John Doe warrant, because you think 300 guns are 300 guns,but the guy is a collector..just like you are a collector. ONLY DIFFERENCE-HE ISN'T THE POLICE! (19-K-R)

I'm just saying..keep it in perspective Officer!

2/16/2006 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cant believe all the bs that you people are putting on this post. I send congrats to the Area 2 gun team for a job well done. This guy broke the law, bottom line. He's not supposed to have handguns in the city. Its the law. And dont give me this registration grandfather crap. Cause you know he didnt register all those guns. So the team did their job. And to all those asses saying its a gun collection. Im just glad the cops got those guns before the shitheads found out and decided to take them. Yes, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. But over 300 guns, give me a break. If this is a collection this guy needs another hobby, like comic books or baseball cards. Not an arsenal like that. Its ridiculous. And crimefile thank god you aint one of us anymore.

2/16/2006 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Assault Weapons?"

Currently the City considers any weapon that can hold more than 5 rounds, is a rifle with a pistol grip and/or folding stock, and or has a detachable magazine capable of holding momre than 10 rounds (even if there is none attached or on possession of the owner), can take a bayonet or has a bayonet 'lug' (a seat for the knife, etc), or is equal to or greater than .50 caliber is an 'Assault Weapon."

That means any Civil War black powder rifle is an 'Assault Weapon'.

Any rifle that can be loaded by magazine is an 'Assault Weapon'. (You can buy a magazine or drum attachment aftermarket that can be attached, ala 'Assault weapon').

Or a hunting shotgun with an aftermarket pistol grip under the stock is an 'Assault Weapon'.

Or that 108 year old K98 German Mauser with a 6 round internal magazine and bayonet lug is an 'Assault Weapon'. Is that what they gun teams are supposed to be doing, and then calling bogus press conferences? I hope they read this board...bustouts.

And to think no one would have heard of any of this bullshit of they didn't call a fucking press conference to pump themselves up. I bet they wish they didn't call it now.

Self-serving fuckers.

2/16/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 2/16/2006 03:46:43 PM --

I'm guessing you also write every old lady, young kid and all in between for going thru that stop sign on their way to church, too, cause 'they broke the law'.

Discression is the best and most important tool we still have on this job--discression how to investigate, how to write paper and how to treat offenders. When high-pressure units like this, SOS, and other gun teams fail to use peoper discression in executing a search warrant on an old man's house and look at it as "we can get X-number of guns and a positive search warrant", its a fucking shame. Its not what we are supposed to do out here, is it? Is the element of the crime there? Is he selling guns to defraud the 'G' of tax dollars and selling them to felons or those not allowed to own guns? Doubtfull. Does he know he has to register that 100 year old rifle? Perhaps, but why should he? To tell the City he has them so they can come get them? What if he never heard of the law until years after it went into effect (many still dont know, thinking they only need a valid FOID card, WHICH THE GUY WAS IN POSSESSION OF --HE WASNT CHARGED WITH THAT, ONLY CITY CHARGE), should he be locked up?

2/16/2006 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



2/16/2006 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I cant believe all the bs that you people are putting on this post. I send congrats to the Area 2 gun team for a job well done. This guy broke the law, bottom line. He's not supposed to have handguns in the city. Its the law. And dont give me this registration grandfather crap. Cause you know he didnt register all those guns. So the team did their job. And to all those asses saying its a gun collection. Im just glad the cops got those guns before the shitheads found out and decided to take them. Yes, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. But over 300 guns, give me a break. If this is a collection this guy needs another hobby, like comic books or baseball cards. Not an arsenal like that. Its ridiculous. And crimefile thank god you aint one of us anymore.

2/16/2006 03:46:43 PM

FUCK YOU! We have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms! We deceide how many we want, not that fuckfaced mayor!

The gun collectors like guns and the City could not even convict Mr. Samp of one violation! What a waste of tax dollars to attempt that mess!

You're not fit to shine Crimefile's shoes you un-American turd! If you're really a cop you should quit a become a crooked Chicago alderfuck. I Know that Dorothy Tillman sits on you face asshole!

2/16/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thought of Dorothy Tillman, hat and all, sitting on ANYONES face is enough to make me vomit.


2/16/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm First....

2/16/2006 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok here we go. First of all, crimefile, how many felony arrests did you make in your illustrious carrer. The man was braking the law buy keeping all these guns in his house. Did you look up what gangs are in his neighborhood? I guess not. What would they have done if they had found out all these guns were there. Were talking SKS rifles, Ak-47s, M1 Carbines. Did you ever see what an M1-carbine could do to a person, Oh but you couldnt cause you aint the fucking POLICE. As for your friend hes as stupid as you are for keeping all those guns in this city. Back to this 63 year old. Did you know his neighbors were affraid of him and were coming up to the police thanking them for getting these guns out of there because they would observe alot of activity during the night of people going in and out of his house. Maybe thats why the gangbangers didnt bother him because he was suppling them. This man also had $4100 in his pants pocket. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wake up crime file. Put the jelly donut down and go on a ride along in that area, dont worry the real police will protect you.

2/16/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of ya "real" Americans, who drape themselves in the 2nd amendment blanket, can you take a few minutes to look up United States v Miller. Get back to me when you realize that "right" could be gone at any time.

2/16/2006 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, did you talk to your poor gun collector that area 2 got. Hes a candidate for a rubber room. but that doesnt matter crimefile says he has rights. What about the rights of the family members of the Police officers this nut jobs guns would have killed. Would you be so unyielding about his fucking rights. Im a life long N.R.A. member and I fight for a person Right to keep and bear arms, but when you have a lunatic with 275 guns in his house and thousands of rounds of ammuntion it sounds to me you should be sucking the cocks of all the officers on the area 2 gun team.

2/16/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many of you coppers have multible guns in your home? Maybe a gun team should hit your house, stomp your dog,throw your old-lady to the floor and bust up your place. Sounds fair don't it.

2/16/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This place is a waste of time. YOUR ARE ALL THE SUCKERS OF MY COCK!

2/16/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

To: 2/16/2006 04:54:23 PM

I made lots of arrests and have done my time in the OPS hotseat.

Marina City is on the border between 018 and 001. There was no gang activity in the immediate area when I lived there during the 1970s and up until the raids on Samp’s apartments. With the new House of Blues downstairs the lowlifes spend too much time there today. Samp and I are long gone though.

As for your question, “Did you ever see what an M1-carbine could do to a person?” Yes a .30 carbine is a really low powered round considering that it comes from a shoulder weapon. Any shotgun will put a .30 carbine to shame! I have watched nearly 500 postmortem examinations, most at the old Cook County Morgue at Polk & Wood Streets. I’ve seen too may cops on those autopsy tables too.

I have seen all manner of death, many more than even most cops.

As for Francis Samp, he lived in the building since it was completed as an original tenant. He was and is well liked.

The fact is with over 1,500 residents these are a bunch of old-gun-hating ladies that became frightened after the raida where the gang crimes coppers made trip after trip down the elevators with these firearms exposed to put on a show for the media and public.

The only thing that Francis Samp had going to and from his apartment were some of the hottest women in town. He was a bachelor who had dated models, movie stars and alike. His girlfriends often introduced me to their girlfriends all in the 1970s when I was in my 20’s.

Samp also carried a gun because he was a full time peace officer at the time of the raids. He always had lots of money from his company, Francis Samp Insurance. He smoked cigars and drank expensive wine and hated drugs and criminals. I would go with him to gun shows all over the country where he would look for rare guns. He never owned an SKS! He had the best of the very best.

Samp never sold a gun to anyone ever! He only bought them. Okay he would give me a gun for Christmas and make me drive out to the suburbs to take delivery because of Chicago’s goofy gun laws. They were then transferred on paper from him to me and I would re-register them in my name. The old City Collector’s office still has those records and so do I!

Samp had extraordinary security over his collection at all times. Many guns walked from the EARPS hitting the streets during the same time period. None of Samps guns ever hit the street.

2/16/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Also, did you talk to your poor gun collector that area 2 got. Hes a candidate for a rubber room. but that doesnt matter crimefile says he has rights. What about the rights of the family members of the Police officers this nut jobs guns would have killed. Would you be so unyielding about his fucking rights. Im a life long N.R.A. member and I fight for a person Right to keep and bear arms, but when you have a lunatic with 275 guns in his house and thousands of rounds of ammuntion it sounds to me you should be sucking the cocks of all the officers on the area 2 gun team.
2/16/2006 05:14:21 PM

Member of the NRA? In your wet dreams asshole. Nobody will ever believe that from your mouth.

Go fire you yearly supply of ammunition the department gives you die because you can't protect yourself.

Better yet be the first on your block to get the Daley approved rubber gun.

2/16/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You sound a little personally offended, most likely because you were part of this travesy and are embarassed, 04:54:23 PM.

Bullshit is still bullshit, and you know it. $4100 in his pocket? WTF does that mean? Is he supposed to have pocket change? I have $10 in my pocket...does that mean I'm en route to buy a rock?

How many 'crime guns' came back to this guy per the ATF's Tracking Unit? I bet none. If he's selling sooo many guns, as you infer by saying he had $4100 in his pocket, he'd have to have at least ONE come back to him, right? At about 100 clams a street gun, thats, what, 41 guns or so that day? Yeah, I'm sure. If there was sooo much traffic there, I'm sure there were no doubt a number of calls for service and complaints to the 8th District about him...I bet theres none on the P-CAD for the 3700 West Block of 62 PL (ADD. of OCC.), either, because this part is bullshit also.

You jammed a collector, nothing more. He had a number of the same weapons in his collection because thats what a collector does, he has variations of the same weapons by different manufacturers and dates of manufacture. Just like stamps, cars, and the like. This guy, like many others, simply likes things that go 'boom'. It is, after all, a Constitutional Right. That same Consttution, mind you, that superceeds the city law and the same one you swore to uphold.

Check off at the end of the night with 300 guns and a bus check, get a cookie and take the next nite as a duck. Nice job for your Sgt and Lt, but this ISNT Al Capone's takedown, solving the Lindburg Kidnapping and the breaking up of a terrorist cell all in one.

I wonder, did you guys then go directly to a 'Supermall' and have an airbrushed picture of your team and all of the guns put on a t-shirt? How about notifications: did you call AARP when he was in custody?

Congrats to you for your Department Commendation--be sure to check the 'Send Me The Award Via Police Mail' box due to shame, and good luck in civil court.

But more seriously,'Crimefile' is a goof, sure enough, but (GASP!)he's right about the Marina City raid. The 'offender' had a collection, was registered previously, and it lapsed. The department members simply went down the list of registered guns whose registration lapsed and picked them off. No guns came back used in crimes or traced to him. You cant debate that. 'Military Manuals' found at his house and 'bomb making' books? I have those, too: I also have the Gangster Disciple and Latin King 'constitutions', too, but does that make me an extreemist, gang member or radical, does it? No, I just have stuff like that because I've picked them up or found them in my travels being the police. They are silly but an interesting read. Just because someone has a copy of the 'Anarchist's Cookbook' doesnt make his a Timothy McVeigh--unless the author of the UUW Case Report makes them out to be Dr. Evil or a member of the Legion of Doom. Perhaps the case report should start with ,"Once upon a time..."

This sort of thing happens day in, day out. Collectors are jammed, jammed, jammed, because the coppers are pressured to get numbers. 10,000 guns three years ago for the Department at years end, a little less the year after that, just over 9,000 last year. The City, Department and most importantly "hiz 'onner" wants to get more guns off the street and see this number recovered at year's end to increase, not decrease each year. Thats why the department turns a blind eye when some young guy gets a collection like this, cause they want the numbers. Why do you think there is such pressure to have 'Seatbelt Saftey Checks' on all watches in all districts? It is a direct result of the decrease of guns recovered, to get into the cars that are hanging out or cruising in DOC areas, 'Zones' or locations of recent shootings. It sucks to do it, but its a good idea to get the bangers with guns.

The recovery of guns from felons and those that shouldn't have them is a noble and just cause, --we should ALL want this to happen, as it reduces crime overall and keeps us safe. However, taking them from RESPONSIBLE gun owners is not what we should do, right? Lou-jacking old men is NOT what we should do, if we have self-respect, right? This old cat had a VALID FOID card, right? If he didn't, they would have charged him accordingly with the state charge, not just city charges.

Maybee I'm wrong--maybee this guy WAS Satan-incarnate, Hitler and Kaiser Soze all in one and putting all kinds of guns on the streets against us and other decent folks. Maybee they saved someone's life that day. If I'm wrong, I'd be the first to say so--however, I think considering the totality of this caper and of what happens with situations just like this one, I'm reasonably sure they simply jammed an old Irish man in a changing neighborhood who was in a shooting club.

2/16/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: 10:26:01

I seized the gun collection you're talking about in 025, and you are very misinformed.

Yeah the guy had a nice collection of weapons which we took. However, we were sent to his house by COS on a call of a "man with a gun". Turns out, the guy in question pulled one of his nice "collectable" guns on two eight year old boys who were playing in the alley near his garage. The boys then ran home and told their parents, who, in turn, called us.

They guy was a loose cannon about to snap. Thats why we took his collection of guns! And he didn't get them back in court, as they were ordered C&D'd. So get your fact straight, jagoff!

2/16/2006 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CRIMEFILE is a tool-- plain and simple. Your lips much be chapped from tooting your own horn so much-- you must be VERY limber.

2/16/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think "crimefile" should go on a nice hunting trip---- With Dick Cheney!

2/16/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who is the asshole who keeps writing " at least we got them out of there before some gangbangers got ahold of them"?
so lets see.....we will deprive honest, taxpayers of property in an effort to deny shit heads of it.
i hope i never work with you because you are not smart enough to be safe.

2/16/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The A2 gun task force must really be hard up for guns. This New Years eve, the "real police" rushed a house after seeing a person fire a shotgun into the air.They enter the house(a P.O's) search and recover the shot weapon and two other guns. One belonged to a on duty P.O. who was working on a detail in the housing complexes. The on duty P.O. was notified by family and he notified the recovering Sgt. The Sgt told his men to recover all weapons. BUT NO ARREST WERE MADE. All active CPD members be advised... Your house is subject to illegal searches by A2gun task force. SOooo hid your duty weapons well!!!

2/16/2006 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im confused..24yrs on this shoot your shotgun in the air in the city run in the house,,the police come and find the one arrested.and your crying..your a ass hole...the family member should have been brought into the station,if not just to let him know ..your he thinks hey my (sis,bro,father.mother)is the police and i shot a gun and nothing happen,,,no way..not on my block where my wife and kids lay their heads..your wrong buddy,very wrong.

2/16/2006 09:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May God Have you in his hands.

And when He get to Heaven
To Saint Peter will tell:
One more soldier reporting, sir
I served my time in Hell.

RIP Eric

2/16/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, thats what I was thinking, WTF? Ya mean cause I'm a copper I can shoot my shotgun on New Years Eve?

2/16/2006 09:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/16/2006 09:00:32 PM
They did your stupid azz a favor, your lucky they didn't lock up your shithead son, brother, cousin, etc., take your guns AND get your mope azz fired.
You should hide ur gunz real good so ur heathen kin won't endanger the rest of your good community with these anitcs.

2/16/2006 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gun registration exists for one reason only: to take guns away from people.

They make it as inconvenient as possible so people either screw up the process, give up, or don't bother.

The 2nd amendment is not for the military to be armed, it like the other amendments, gives the right to the people to keep and bear arms. The people is you, me, the guy next door, the lady at the shop, the old man retired at home. The gungrabbers whine and cry about guns, but that isn't the problem. The problem is a person's willingness to shoot someone else. Remember, it's already against the law to shoot someone without cause.

The big gungrab was only that, a gungrab. No guns were "taken off the streets," only a collector was robbed of his collection. Now is the time for another challenge to the bullshit registration laws of the city.

There has never been a truly definitive ruling on the 2nd amendment. The Miller ruling from the 30's did not definitively answer the question. Now is the time for the Supreme Court to act.

Area 2, you only did your job, but don't go patting yourselves on the back....I'm not the only cop ashamed of what you did.

2/16/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC:THIS IS WHAT A POST SHULD BE LIKE!!! I love it!!! Good Banter back and forth, from our beloved 2nd amendment supporters, and our lovely "only cops should have guns". Great points back and forth from both sides, and a hearty "go fuck yourself" follow up. Like a great tennis match!

IS THIS GUY A BAD GUY?- “the neighbors were afraid of him” bullshit, go knock on your neighbors door, then tell me if that two faced asshole isn’t going to say to the police; “that cop (meaning YOU) is a lunatic!” Ok, so he had guns, 1 or two is O.K., but 250 is wrong? Twenty or thirty, fifty, one hundred? One hundred and one, and the guy is a nut-case? Where is the line, and who is drawing it? Someone said “collect baseball cards” or something to that effect?- I find something odd with a 60 year old male collecting baseball cards, It is in MY OPINION that stamp collectors are somewhat geekish. But that’s MY OPINION, and who the fuck am I, right? Now ask yourself the same question.

DID HE BREAK ANY LAWS? Oh, that’s right, a bullshit MCC violation, well, light up old sparky, get the needle ready, fuck, use his own guns for the firing squad! If he lived in Montana, Wyoming, hell, Indiana or Wisconsin for that matter, where it is “more acceptable” by others in his “community” to own guns, and a Warrant was executed, would it make any difference? But here, where our Mayor is afraid of guns/dislikes guns, this guy is considered a bad guy? (To the asswipe who wrote: “the guy had a paramilitary haircut“, you’re joking, right? Cause someone had a “paramilitary haircut”, He’s a nutcase? And could you do us a favor and define a “paramilitary haircut”? Is it like the cop’s haircut that’s sitting next to you in the roll call room?) Oh, this gun has a bayonet lug, that one has a 30 round mag. SO? But its an ”Assault Weapon”. I have a nice AR-15 (pre-ban), the civilian version of the military’s M-16, Its never been used in a homicide, robbery, rape, or any other crime for that matter, and never will be! But how many of us have recovered a bullshit Norinco knock off of the AK-47 or the SKS in some mutt’s house? I can’t wait until some people out there pull their heads out of their ass and realize that a gun is made to shoot, WHEN SOMEONE PULLS THE TRIGGER! (Hint, SOMEONE is the key word in the sentence!) Kitchen knives have injured more people than any gun ever will, Are we going to outlaw those? How about outlawing GOLFCLUBS? Its got “CLUB” in the word, It could be used as a bludgeon! In the hands of the wrong person, it’s a dangerous weapon!
Everyone has their various likes and dislikes, Like I said, I find stamp collecting kind of geekish, Ok, so you’re going to say “but this stamp/card/coin… is worth $30.000” in defense of stamp/baseball card/coin… collecting, great, cool, that’s your thing, I’m not going to run out and say you’re a nut for collecting stamps, baseball cards, cars, coins, rocks, tools, and the list goes on and on! OK, here is where you say “but guns are dangerous!” My retort is: Most of us here are the police, and/or handled guns at one or more points in our career, right? I want you to try this experiment; place your loaded gun on the kitchen table, pointing in any direction, then, without touching it, see how long it takes for it to go off. (hint- your going to be there for a while!) Now, place the same loaded weapon in the hands of a 12 year old, or some gang-banger, see how long it takes to go off. Guns are not dangerous, people are dangerous, and as a police officer, you should know that. Guns just make it easier, and that’s where responsibility comes in! I’m not going to sit here and say that mine is the “be all, end all” answer to this question, but before you do, what makes you so damn sure yours is?
As for the A-2 Gun team, and the police officers involved, well, I can’t comment, I was not there. I’m not going to Monday morning quarterback about guns being recovered a good arrest, or sandbagging a collector. But, someone else said it right; you know damn well, some boss is talking to the media, and higher ups, giving the old “company line”, trying to make a name for himself, riding on the back of some working cop. And that’s the saddest fact of them all!

2/16/2006 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Me Again: said...

When was the last time anyone tried to register a duty weapon, or even a Non-duty weapon for that matter?
"Gun registration exists for one reason only: to take guns away from people.

They make it as inconvenient as possible so people either screw up the process, give up, or don't bother. "...
is absolutly right! Its becoming a pain in the ass! Say "fuck-it" and dont register a shotgun(off duty weapon) cause its a pain in the ass, now there's a "rule #1" violation! and your ass in in a trick-bag!

2/17/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

read everyones comments on area 2's gun teams confiscation of the 276 guns, several grenades and tons of ammunition. bottom line, those area 2 men and women gun team coppers deserved the kudos and each were probably thinking they were doing the " right thing " when information came their way of a " criminal element "

2/17/2006 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to "Boogie" and his crew from the Area 2 Gun Team for their huge gun bust in the 008TH District. "Boogie's" crew never wanted all the media exposure, but the media got wind of it from the people on that block where the guns were recovered. P.S. Plus they should be on T.V.,...."Boogies " so sexy!!!!!

2/17/2006 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is boogie???

2/17/2006 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"BOOGIE" is the man!!!! The myth, the Legend. A mans' man. He smells good too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/17/2006 01:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/17/2006 03:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can't we just all get along

2/17/2006 03:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sitting here on a personal....why is you people picking on the area 2 gun team, they have done good things and are very nice and polite people. is it jealosy...are bthey banging your old lady or something that you got a hard on for them

2/17/2006 03:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sitting in 005th district station looking through SSC and know that the gun team worked their asses off last nite all good officers and the weapons recovered were some street weapons that could punch holes through human bodies. i seen all the weapons they had em in our auditorium all 276 firearms. i am ashamed reading the comments of how our own can put down some fine cops. frankly they should give those guys the biggest award in the department and then promote them all to lts. so they can jam all the goofs that put down all the working polices efforts. i personally seen those weapons and there were a couple tecs and shotguns that if a banger had one it could have had the barrel sawed off and then what? exactly.

2/17/2006 03:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh yea i just wrote in from the 005th district and want to say that not one of those officers from the gun units got big heads unlike the dogs that put down their own. i seen officers get promoted to dics and then they get big heads thinking there shit dont stink, not nearly doing what the gun team does. go figure. god bless good police officers.

2/17/2006 03:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/17/2006 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read arrest report for the pinch of the century--276 counts of Failure to Register Firearm.

63 year old man, who was transported to the hospital due to heart problems. Arrested in the residence, not on the sidewalk 'loading guns into his car', as claimed before. No mention of $4100 cash in alleged illegal ill-gotten proceeds, as claimed as well. Recovered were the guns, two loading presses for rounds, numerous live rounds and the paperwork for his guns.

Sounds like a hell of a gun runner, keeping all of his paperwork like that. Also found out that ATF wanted NOTHING to do with it--they smelled what it was for real and distanced themselves from the get-go.

Gotta log off, I have to call Telemundo to alert the media about my DOPW ANOV.

2/17/2006 05:21:00 AM  
Anonymous larry flynnt said...

Today my guns, tomorrow my porn collection. What's next?

2/17/2006 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To :the person claiming to have read the arrest report who wrote to ssc about no mention of the usc--------READ THE CASE REPORT--------and transported to the hospital due to heart problems? got it all wrong pal...again. and the ATF dropping the ball?.....can you spell.....CONTINUE INVESTIGATION?...sounds like this officer should be put back in the academy for retread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/17/2006 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

continue what investigation????to get the 300 BB-guns the gun team left behind????lets face it the AREA 2 GUN TEAM is all BS. THE AREA 2 V/C is what is and where its at.

2/17/2006 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT:okay,so the area 2 gun team got a lot of guns---big deal each and every one of them are rejects from MISFIT ISLAND and i ain't talking about the guns they got

2/17/2006 01:15:00 PM  
Anonymous BEAT MAN said...

i am just a plain day blue shirt p/o that has to ask? where were the OTHER units to get that excellent pinch from the 008th DISTRICT?The other units had a chance to do what that gun team did.don't be jealous, the gun team probably saved a life or lives...remember the movie CRASH or PULP FICTION? what goes around comes around.give those guys their perks!

2/17/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous west side detective said...


2/17/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous fillmore said...

I hate when theyt throw atf in the news report ... they are the worst ... they steal your info and take all the credit ...

2/17/2006 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F the gun team patronage hacks. That citizen has a right to bear arms. Those vaginas on the gun team from the old money man merit Lt, remember yure 004th Dist scams S?, are given take home police cars and police radios. You need to be nominated by an exempt rank, you cannot walk in and apply for the gun team. Another unit of patronage hacks who cannot make the 06 cars, gang-tact teams, dicks or sergeants. Vaginas appointed by clout and only clout. This is how Hitler started in Germany. I dont no who is more arrogant the patronage gun hacks or the five year narcotic wonders at Area 2.

Loud mouths using the phones, computers,police facility,
depriving the unconnected police from doing their jobs.

As a citizen of America, assigned to the police area these Hitler youths use I promise to report any violations of the contitution to the proper outside authorities, the ACLU, who ever it takes. I called the Northwestern Law students for civil justice, not one of the vaginas on the gun team have served in any branch of the US Military. Remeber the constitution and your rights in this country, these Vaginas are another example of King Daleys extortion police. F the patronage hacks, give me a city car and Sundays and Mondays off. I try and have screwed with them every chance I get. Screw the merit Lt. his merit sergeants and his merit officers. Fight from with in, they are not brother officers stopping cars on the streets of the ghetto. No they violate rights of innocent people in the tax paying sections of chicago.

Hey I want an unmarked car, unlimited gas(five thousand a year)
soft clothes, Sunday & Monday off, a three hour day on Saturday. How come I cant be on the gun team?

18 years on the job, four in the military over seas, card carrying member of the VFW, certified Daley hater, and I am not qualified.,

Mad as hell and I am not taking it any more.

2/17/2006 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous fillmore said...

18 years of being a do will do that to you

2/17/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous fillmore said...

sorry a dog

2/17/2006 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If any one want to debate the merits of the A2 gun team in person, feel free to do so. All of us are dedicated officers who work hard. If you feel that your qualifications are better than mine and can proove it, you can have my spot. SO STOP BITCHING!!!

2/17/2006 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't blame A2 gun team, they're following orders from higherups. But for damn sure they don't deserve pats on the back.

Taking guns off the streets is not the same as sandbagging some collector. I know, he didn't have some or all of them registered. But was any other law being violated? I bet not.

Bullshit gun registratin laws abused for no other reason than to sandbag someone. Gun registration is fascism plain and simple.

The NRA needs to pick up the ball on this one and fight that prick Daley. Maybe the Supreme Court will finally give a solid ruling on the right to keep and bear arms. It's long overdue.

2/17/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey gun team member 3:54

If they take people that spell correctly (proove?) I'm are out....

2/17/2006 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you can spell!! if that's your're oonli kwalifikatin then use shood be a kaptin by know

2/18/2006 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous mr. hustle said...

The gun team of AREA 2 is an elite team of finely meshed policemen and women under the leadership of excellent management working waiting to take your unregistered weapons from your grandpa. lol

2/18/2006 02:28:00 AM  
Anonymous STILL SPINNING said...

I am going to be 100!!!!!! i admit i was jealous of the area 2 gun team pinch and told all my friends at 35th and michigan it was all bs. but after work sitting in the bar i confronted two of the gun team guys who stopped in the bar tonight about what was up with that bullshit arrest of the old man with all the guns. they explained the real truth and even bought me a couple of beers. i am ashamed of doubting these guys. i was too quick to judge and ridicule. they are indeed the REAL POLICE.

2/18/2006 02:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/18/2006 02:53:00 AM  
Anonymous SSC READER said...

Read 2/17 at 2:15 on this ssc site under fentonyl follies about more on that AREA 2 gun team plans-----NARCOTIC SECTION LISTENING??????

2/18/2006 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


2/18/2006 03:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Military Girl said...

great job area 2 gun unit-----i am from 005th district and know you guys are cool

2/18/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are you still talking about that stupid gun pinch from the lame gun team? give me a break. they are nothing but hitler youth organization. all these compliments for what? no one gave me compliments for getting my UUW by FELON arrest in the worst neighborhood in chicago. get a life.

2/18/2006 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait, I'm confused. We should take guns because they are dangerous? Or because they can be altered and made even more dangerous?

Didn't anyone watch MacGuyver dammit! You could kill a room full of people with the crap under your sink. No more cleaners?

Doesn't anyone watch the news? They keep showing these car bomb thingies in Iraq. Hell, they keep showing ODPOs (and sometimes on-duty POs like that sergeant from 005 a coupla years ago) who kill or endanger people with cars. Oh, and these are just the ones who do it while drinking. There seem to be other accidents that occur even when drivers are sober.

Ban alchohol? Or is it cars?

The Constitution and the vast majority of jurisdictions are not anti-gun. But you led corrupt anti-gun Chicago Democrats run a police department and there are dozens of these little trained monkeys like the A2 gun team that will do whatever the Boss tells em to do.

Absolutely pathetic, and whoever here is arguing about how dangerous guns are should take a look around. The world is filled with dangers. The Area 2 gun team, Richard Daley and Phil Cline are a fucking danger.

How do I know this? Because with our gun laws and enforcement, Chicago still manages to collect 2.5 times more bodies per-capita than NYC. Thats what we get when citizens can't protect themselves from Democrats.

These guys and their apologists are an absolute disgrace, and the laughing-stock of the nation.

2/18/2006 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous SSC READER said...

area 2 gun team is plastered all over the ssc website in most of the categories, like tiny brains cant handle truth...fentonyl follies...what gives??!!!

2/18/2006 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous MILITARY GIRL said...

to: 2-18. 303-----u are a silly meathead responding to thin air...u are just jealous that you did not get those guns, you must be from the area 1 gun team and are pissed.

2/18/2006 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous BIG THANG said...

2/18-------3:03, THINGIE?????????????????? thats what i use to take a piss. MY OFF.

2/18/2006 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uhm, yeah, I'm in the Area 1 Special Forces Democratic "Mayor Daley Brigade" First Platoon gun team. Hoo Hah! We are the toughest of the tought, the best of the best.

You guys come poach in Area 1 to take down 62 year old retired gun collectors with no records???

You guys are puzzies! We got Operation Retirement Home Raid out here. Tonight we ride! In area 1, the best of the best are getting together tonight, and we're heading out to Mt. Greenwood to execute warrants on Retirement Homes. We have a CI who tells us someone may be putting drugs in brownies, and we're confiscating EVERYBODY's brownies to keep the streets safe for brownie-eaters.

That's right. We are bigger, stronger, tougher, and meaner than you! Take that Mr. making-the-streets safe for Muggers and Hoodlums.

And for extra kicks tonight, I'm going to drive through 003 tonight with a loudspeaker on my car to let all the gangbangers know that the local gun team is afraid of criminals and only picks on retired hobbyists! Take cover beeyotches............

2/18/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous GREY HAIR ALKI said...

PLEASSSSSSSSSEEEEEE, enough already on AREA 2 GUN TEAM......they are already gone from Chicago and flying to Torino, Italy .....yep.....(they got a "hot Tip " that there were men with guns on ski's out there!!! } it....THE BIATHOLON!!!!!!! LOL!!

2/19/2006 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't know anyone from a/2 gun team..i don't know the man with the guns..i know if they just did the warrant to get guns from a law abiding citizen,then fuck them..but if the information was he was selling guns and had street weapons for sale,then good job..but once you hit the house and figured it out, it should have been a 19-o-shit Im sorry..

2/19/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous B.J. said...

just heard the news of a2 gun weapon seizure, gooooooooood job.

2/20/2006 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that a lot of garbage is being posted about the Gun Team, Let me clairfy a few things. First, the arrest of the individual was a laful arrest. He was neither mistreated ir abused during his arrest (unlike many citizens are during a lot of the arrests made by some of you bloggers). He had high blood pressure and his medication ran out during processing. Second, the information about this subject came from several sources. This old man was fired from the CPD in the 70's for misconduct. Third, there are no merit bosses in the Gun Unit, if that matters. I have been a Chicago Police officer for twenty years and I have never seen such things written and said about other police doing their job. For that, I am ashamed, Shame on you when you sandbag a young man for a bag of weed and he can't go out and get a decent job. Shame on you when you hurl racial epithets at citizens(and your fellow officers). Shame on you, and for all you do, this arrest is for YOU.

2/20/2006 08:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, anyone who has the stones to call A/2 Gun Team personnel "patronage hacks, f*cks, sh*theads. Come by the office and say it personally. Only if you have the balls and preferably proper health coverage. Don't hide on your computer and be a coward. Stop in, please.

2/20/2006 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous scotch and soda drinker said...

what i want to convey is that i pay for a chicago city sticker on my car otherwise i get a ticket---same as guns if you do not have registration, you do not get a ticket, but you get the gun taken away. it is the law. and in the event of a criminal matter, you get arrested. simple enough, eh guys. why all the controversy? those guys are on a GUN TEAM --that is there job to get GUNS. simple, simple, simple, now let me get back to my scotch and soda.

2/21/2006 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous BIG BREASTED P/O said...

someone from the gun team is really banging someones ole lady real good and hard cause they is really jealous about the gun team. i think that the gun team guys must have bigger '' guns '' too that everybody is so jealous all of a sudden. squish em guys, show em who's boss.

2/21/2006 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well it seems the gun team has spoken. Yet, the defense you present, is nothing more than a smear attack.

Was he selling them to gangbangers? Bring out your sources, or STFU. You guys sandbagged a citizen to serve your corrupt leader. Are you proud?

You are every bit as responsible for Chicago's decay as any corrupt politician. You serve their will and their demands, at the expense of the Constitution and the rights afforded thereunder.

You people belong in the joint with the rest of the scumbags.

2/21/2006 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous insomniac said...

It is already the 22nd of february and people are still writing in about this gun seizure from 008th district by the Area 2 gun team. The seizure took place 15th of february. good god. are you a-holes still going to put down a good score by good guys ,guys that work for a living? and then saying the gun team is a sham? i personally think you are really jealous of the area 2 gun team. but why? 1. they do good quality work. 2. they have good informants 3. they adapt to different times of the day or night to do their job 4. they can overcome obstacles 5. they keep in shape 6. they can read 7. they have morals 8.THEY ARE A TEAM no wonder you guys with your a-hole comments are jealous, they are so more professional then you will ever be. grow up.

2/22/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, we are jealous of a bunch of nursing home raiders!! Quality informants on the nursing staff.

So how do you know so much about the Area 2 Gun Team anyway? Could it be because you are one of the people who is there and deserves to be indicted?

Get your head out from between your legs and quit sucking yourself off. All you've done is helped divert attention from Daley and the daily corruption.

2/22/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous BIG BREASTED P/O said...

someone, i mean someone from the gun team is gotta be banging someones girlfriend or wife or something that all these jealous comments are coming from these cops. hey gun team how do i get to be banged? i'll let you do me. meet me at SKIPS tonight.

2/22/2006 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe the gun team guys only do girls with BIG gun safes! lol

2/22/2006 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You clowns need to get outside for awhile. The only people who get impressed by any of this nonsense are the two year wonders at Dugans. Jealous? More like furious that these idiots are tarnishing all of us by association.

2/22/2006 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous BIG BREASTED P/O said...

i mean what i say, if youre a gun team guy from area 2 i'll do you and i do have a big gun safe...thats the point...i'll show you my guns if the gun team guys show me their long and hard guns..i'll be where i said. jealous now ???????

2/22/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know for a fact that one of the area 2 gun guys got lucky tonight with a big breasted woman from a local watering hole. good for him.

2/23/2006 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous bewildered said...

what is a two year wonder at dugans? two year wonder, what does that mean..can someone please explain?

2/23/2006 02:15:00 AM  
Anonymous GREY HAIR ALKI said...

does the big breasted women have a daughter?

2/23/2006 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous BIG BREASTED P/O said...

Well now aren't we curious. No, I don't have a daughter grey hair alki. and at least one of the area 2 gun guys knows that he is all that and should be proud of that "long gun " of his. he even thinks that my "guns " were "spectacular ". THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU'LL SEE MY NAME ON HERE. i GOT ANOTHER DATE WITH "HIM". to all the jealous coppers out there the area 2 gun team are ALL they are cracked up to be and MORE and MORE and MORE. I AM STILL SMILING!

2/23/2006 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so not only does the gun team get lucky with a bogus gun recovery now there gettin lucky with the women from skips, our women that we have bought drinks over and over again, spending money on em left and right and now the gun team guys are getting freebies. I HATE THE GUN TEAM THOSE BOGUS BASTARDS.

2/23/2006 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous small breasted p/o said...

i have little breasts....can i get one of the area 2 gunguys in my bed? i'm divorced if that helps.

2/23/2006 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous frustrated A/2 female detective said...


2/24/2006 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous ssc reader said...

to A/2 frustrated FEMALE DETECTIVE:i think you are frustrated because of one of two things. (1) you are or (2) you can't get laid by an A/2 GUN TEAM GUY.

2/24/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous frustrated A/2 female detective said...


2/24/2006 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous ssc reader said...

to bewildered, two year wonder means two year old wonder bread. and to the frustrated a/2 female detective, good luck in working in a mens environment.

2/24/2006 03:10:00 PM  

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