Thursday, March 30, 2006

Bush Was Correct - AGAIN

  • A panel of former Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judges yesterday told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that President Bush did not act illegally when he created by executive order a wiretapping program conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA).
  • The five judges testifying before the committee said they could not speak specifically to the NSA listening program without being briefed on it, but that a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act does not override the president's constitutional authority to spy on suspected international agents under executive order. [emphasis added - SCC]
But will you hear about it in the liberal media? Not a chance.


Anonymous william golding said...

Not a clearcut endorsement, I would say.

from the NYT:

Five former judges on the nation's most secretive court, including one who resigned in apparent protest over President Bush's domestic eavesdropping, urged Congress on Tuesday to give the court a formal role in overseeing the surveillance program.

Judge James Robertson quit the intelligence court just days after the spy program was disclosed.
In a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the secretive court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, several former judges who served on the panel also voiced skepticism at a Senate hearing about the president's constitutional authority to order wiretapping on Americans without a court order. They also suggested that the program could imperil criminal prosecutions that grew out of the wiretaps.

And from the Washington Times:

The judges, however, said Mr. Bush's choice to ignore established law regarding foreign intelligence gathering was made "at his own peril," because ultimately he will have to answer to Congress and the Supreme Court if the surveillance was found not to be in the best interests of national security.

3/30/2006 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Liu Wei Ren said...

William, you have it right, and Bush and "Anonymous" have it wrong. Again! This guy takes only the parts of the article that fits his way to thinking and runs with it. "Bush is correct-AGAIN"
From what I read, none of the judges said anything like that. They said they could not speak specifically about the NSA spying program, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GIVEN INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM! They did not say Bush did not act illegally. They may not have come right out and called it criminal, but the did express skepticism about its legality. Sometimes, due to the situation or circumstances, people are reluctant to come right out call a spade a spade. I believe the judges are being tactful at the moment. But there is no doubt that there are laws on the books against warrantless spying on American citizens, and Bush has admitted he circumvented them. I'm not tactful. That's a crime, and an admission. What's suppose to happen when you have both of those, Officer?

3/30/2006 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who live in glass houses (cpd) shouldnt be throwing stones. Any cop worth anything sides with Bush on this. It happens here eveyday. And its right.

3/30/2006 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correction: every day.

3/30/2006 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats for all you english majors out there.

3/30/2006 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The President took an oath of office to defend the constition from all enemies FORIEGN and DOMESTIC!The American people do not have a need to know how our government is protecting them as long as the job is done. We are getting soft and to "P.C."There are people out there that want to destroy our way of life people. We must back the President. All of these liberal idiots are going to ruin this country!

3/30/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and this is from people who loose their minds over a bogus CR number!!!

"The American people do not have a need to know how our government is protecting them as long as the job is done."

So if the GOVT decides to act illegaly "WE DON'T" need to know?

How many illegal ACTS should the GOVT be able to get away with, BEFORE there is a need to know?

3/30/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

W = M

3/30/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The American people do not have a need to know how our government is protecting them as long as the job is done

Wow! take me! take me! beat me! beat me! I'll follow you anywhere!
I'm yours!

3/30/2006 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets get out of Iraq now! This war is bankrupting our country. Keep our forces home. Abandon our bases in Europe. Protect our own borders. If there is a problem with an aggressor, an air strike would be used. Keep our money here, no more handouts.

3/30/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, how much of this did you get?

Admin. Spends $1.62B On PR, Ads, "Bush Admin.'s Propaganda Effort Is Unprecedented"...

3/30/2006 09:25:00 AM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

Bush spies on legal Americans and the GOP lovers embrace him. It is revolting!

3/30/2006 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Liberals ARE the enemy within"....Get your heads out of your asses you treehuggin' softballs. You are no better than DAN!

3/30/2006 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fillmo' rox, yo!

3/30/2006 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo,fillmo rox, bet you never set foot in 4001. Grow up.

3/30/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there he is the fucking coward yellow belly non police bitch, leftisthebest aka the keyboard warrior!!!!

run away from any in-progress calls lately you silly coward leftisthebest?

oh i forgot you only get tough and take a stand behind the keyboard and monitor, eating your doritos and gettin fatter.

you suck, coward.

3/30/2006 01:38:00 PM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

I NEVER went the opposite way on a hot call, ever! I've probably beaten you to lots of calls, back when you were on the street, that is. Why don't you just go back to your little cubicle at 35th st. and tell the boss what a great guy he is.

Oh yea, when do the impeachment hearings start?

3/30/2006 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dic's list will be out this friday. No idea how big the class will be though

3/30/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to the Lt's list that was predicted on here for last Friday?

3/30/2006 03:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Liu Wei Ren said...

You're "Anonymous". There are people out to destroy our way of life. The problem is that soem of them are in th White House. Who's agenda do you think Bush is following? Yours? Mine? No! He's doing what the people that put him there want him to do. And I'm not talking about "red states". I'm talking about the corporates or, to quote him. "the Haves and the Have Mores". Look around, friend. I have a funny feeling that none of us on this blog falls into that exclusive powerbase.

Here's the plan, inflate the price of land, inflate the cost of consumables, oil, food, rent, weaken the middle class, undereducate the youth of this country flood the marketwith cheap manual labor, make one group of Americans suspicious of each other, and allow things to deteriorate until all you have left are the elite and all the other people who are there to serve them.

Now some might say this sound like a conspiracy theory, and blow it off. But all it take is for us to be complacent, obedient, and not question what's going on. It starts with "I'll protect you from the bad guys!", and the next thing you know you're being spied on and stormtroopers are kicking in your doors.

And ask yourself this, if there is no such thing as a conspiracy, why is the word in the dictionary?

3/30/2006 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Liu Wei Ren said...

Apologies, it was suppose to write, "Youre right "Anonymous". Also, don't let them pull your button, Leftisthe best. Their doing the same thing their accusing you of, getting tough behind a keyboard. Its an old right wing move. When their position is challanged with logic and truth, they resort to threats and name calling. "You're a Commie!" "You're a Fag!" "You're a Liberal!" "You're an asshole!"

3/30/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey 3:52 guess what? You're a Commie!" "You're a Fag!" "You're a Liberal!" "You're an asshole!"

3/30/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

You say Communist like it was a bad ward.

3/30/2006 06:00:00 PM  
Blogger fillmoregal said...

Rumor has it 011 will have to swipe in using their IDs as of tomorrow on the time card machines. Big Brother just keeps getting bigger.

3/30/2006 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is the last time ANY rumor was true on this blog?? You guys kill me - but thanks for the entertainment!

3/30/2006 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big deal. If you show up on time swiping in is no big deal. Besides, this was tried years ago. Those time clocks suck, always breaking down. Like anything else the dept does there is no foresight. It will not work and it will go back to the way it was. Tin foil makes those time clocks beep and go crazy if you put it in the swipe slot.

3/30/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Liu Wei Ren said...

Once again "Anonymous" you've proved me right.

3/30/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous U.S. VETERAN said...

To 3:41, you have obiviously not understood what I said. When I said there are people out there that want to destroy our way of life I MEANT most of the islamic fundamentalists of the world.If the CIA goes back to assassinatiting terrorsist or their supporters.Or if we use interogation methods on Terror suspects at either Gitmo(Guantanimo Bay Naval Base, Cuba) for all of you non military types who never had the balls to serve, or ABUGRABH mprison in Irag, SO FRGGIN WHAT! These people and I use the term loosely, want to kill you and your family because you are not a muslim.They HAVE NO RIGHTS under our constitution. So why should the average Joe Q citizen have the right to know what the President,CIA or military are doing to keep him and his family safe so they can sleep at night? I just hope and pray we are not attacked again like on 911. God bless all those who where murdered at the hands of these thugs and their surviving families. I'll finish with a quote from Sgt. Phil Esterhouse (HILL ST BLUES) "Let's be careful out there!"

3/30/2006 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The President took an oath of office to defend the constition from all enemies FORIEGN and DOMESTIC!

*** What if the enemy IS THE PRESIDENT?

The American people do not have a need to know how our government is protecting them as long as the job is done.

*** If we have no write to know about it, how would we know if the job did get done or not? Or if they were just bullshitting around? How would you like it if 016 or 022 or 008 had the right to handle your calls for service then tell you, blow off, you have no right to know how we do our job. YOU would be up in arms!

We are getting soft and to "P.C."There are people out there that want to destroy our way of life people.

*** Ya, like "W"! Our way of life is the rule of law. Now the Rule of a King George. That's why we had a Revolution in the first place, remember? The Jihadists are the one's that want the same thing Bush 2 wants: despotism.

*** Every cop here: Imagine a world where IAD has full blown right without courts or orders or laws or rules to wire tap your house! EVERYTHING you do is taken without any recourse. I don't think you'd like that too much.

*** Have fun! Back YOUR president then! Remember, if Bush 2 says he can do it "becasue he is the President" and you agree with that, then Hillary (as our next president) will have the same right 'becasue she is our president'!! do not be so short-sighted!!!! Your guy won't reign forever.

*** WE swore to up hold the consitiution also. Let's home there will still be one when W's done..............

3/30/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Lets get out of Iraq now! This war is bankrupting our country. Keep our forces home. Abandon our bases in Europe. Protect our own borders. If there is a problem with an aggressor, an air strike would be used. Keep our money here, no more handouts.

3/30/2006 09:16:49 AM


We are being invaded by Mexico, maybe if W did not send our troops to Iraqi, they could defend our southern border!!!!

3/30/2006 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look around, friend. I have a funny feeling that none of us on this blog falls into that exclusive powerbase.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3/30/2006 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

America is in the midst of the final stages of its currency debasement.

The fading dollar can be held responsible for our troubles. It isn't the dollar's fault, because it is merely a piece of paper, which is un-backed, and the product of a printing press. It is those who administer and spend it recklessly, who have caused its demise, and who are wrecking our economy and nation. What repercussions does a dollar debasement have? Let's examine them. Remember, it is in no way the fault of the citizenry. It is totally the fault of government and the D.C. Gang. All of us are merely the victims.

3/30/2006 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disgraced lobbyist Abramoff gets 6 years

3/30/2006 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous William Golding said...

This is interesting. . .

Senator Clinton did a great deal of fundraising around the country in March, and her private fundraising schedule -- which was passed along by a source -- shows that she raked in big bucks in that most impenetrable of red-state strongholds: Texas.

This will of course only fuel speculation that her fundraising right now is also about scaring off potential Dem challengers in 2008.

On March 21, the schedule shows, Hillary quietly slipped off to Texas for an unpublicized swing through that state, where the junior senator from the ultimate blue state raked in as much as $4,200-per-person in some of the most red-hued of venues. For instance, one event was a breakfast at, of all places, the Dallas Petroleum Club, a mahogany-festooned enclave whose president was once Ray Hunt, a top Bush fundraiser and oilman.

She also had a fundraising event at a barbeque in San Antonio and an event crowded with high-tech entrepreneurs in Austin (the state capitol where Bush presided as Texas governor).

Many who showed up were Republican women, lots of them first-time donors. Her schedule also shows events in Washington, DC, Rhode Island, and Missouri -- an amount of national activity that, for someone who's so far ahead in polls and money for reelection, is striking.

3/31/2006 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



3/31/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Liu Wei Ren said...

To US Veteran:

No. I did not misunderstand what you were saying. I am well aware there are entities outside of this nation that seeks to do us harm. But those are distant threats, and they have to come a long way to get us. And no, that statement does not mean I am unaware of the possible existence of "sleeper cells" already in the country.

But I'm more concerned and fearful of the more immediate threat represented by Bush and the people he serves. And Mr. US Veteran, that isn't us. I can understand being patriotic and loyal to your country, but what if that patriotism and loyalty is twisted and used to manipulate people by others that have a different agenda?

You say the spying, the, shall we say "brisk", interrogation techniques, and the dissemination of misinformation are all okay if it gets the job done. Even if it means violating the Constitution and laws of this land. Or at least that's the impression your comments give. But if that is case, and is your view, then brother there isn't anything that I can say to you that will matter. Go ahead and bury you head in the sand. But remember, when you do, you leave your ass in a very exposed position. So don't be surprised when the butt slamming starts.

3/31/2006 11:29:00 AM  

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