Where's OUR Security?
Story in the Sun Times Tuesday:
- Most judges want government-paid home security
- Three quarters of the nation's 2,200 federal judges have asked for government-paid home security systems that Congress approved last year after the killing of the husband and mother of a federal judge in Chicago, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday.
No shit Sherlock. And in a related survey:
- 80% of Americans wanted the government to buy their groceries for them
- 86% of Americans wanted the government to get them a nicer car - with rims
- 93% of Americans wanted the government to assume their mortgage payments
- and 100% of Americans wanted a free bag of money, every day, for the rest of their lives
First of all, Joan Lefkow's husband and mother were killed by a psycho. And the Atlanta debacle was an administrative failure to secure a known violent offender with shackles and appropriate guards. NEITHER of these cases would have been prevented by a "Home Security System" that Attorney General Gonzales is talking about and that the US Congress authorized $12 million dollars for.
There isn't a cop in this country who wouldn't LOVE to have a "free" security system for their home. And we face quite a bit more in the way of threats than a judge does every single day. If the judges want protection, they seem adequately compensated for their work - they can pay for it. If they want to undergo the proper training, give them concealed carry. Expand the Marshall Service if a threat materializes. Otherwise, stop pissing our money away.
There isn't a cop in this country who wouldn't LOVE to have a "free" security system for their home. And we face quite a bit more in the way of threats than a judge does every single day. If the judges want protection, they seem adequately compensated for their work - they can pay for it. If they want to undergo the proper training, give them concealed carry. Expand the Marshall Service if a threat materializes. Otherwise, stop pissing our money away.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
31 Comments:
I am all for judges to cary concealed. A light should have went on knowing the position's held, someday they might encounter some dangerous people even psycho's. Police officers encounter these people everyday, and are looked at and blamed as the reason the offenders are incarcerated. It was brought to my attention that a recent study showed that on average every 54 hours a police officer dies in the U.S.. What about us. These judges don't need alarms. We need stiffer penalties for UUW,AGG BATT, MURDER. These pukes need to be put away. We also need States Attorneys that will do thier jobs and not worry if it's a slam dunk case. Half of the time they won't approve Felony charges because the OFFENDER will not give a signed confession, or the victim has a past record. Forget about rock solid stats. What a crock.
SEISER FOR STATES ATTORNEY
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW much does a federal judge make?
My guess is a hell of a lot more than PO's do. We dont get anyone footing the bill for our security.
States Attorneys make a FRACTION of what judges do and no one is buying them any fancy systems.
This is an ego driven move by people who think they are better than everyone else becuase they wear a black robe.
First, to get a federal judge to carry, they'd look at you like, "this is real?" Most live in affluent suburbs, they don't deal with this shit. The attorney's at Federal court drive BMW's, Lexus's, ect. And they defend , and prosecute the shit. They don't deal with the street value of your situations.
I say, and its an opinion, that each and every judge, AUSA, ASA, ride the West and south sides with the coppers, and have them put their hands on, or witness what we go through on a daily basis. Then let them follow through with the court, c.r's, and the rest of the bull shit we have to. Add in the liabilties, reports, court, lack of sleep, and demand's brought upon us. They should experiance this. Have them liable!!
Have them Wade throuh the the lies of victims families that want justice, the lies of witnesses on the scenes, the denial's of offender's families, the denial's of polititons.
The day that any white collar law enforcement official stops denying the fact that there is a segment of society that doesn't give a shit, and a part that deal's with them and does give a shit. Then maybe we have a wink of hope.
It's just an opinion.
O'Brian (SP) I hope your proud.
As for Stroger, he will not step down unless voted out or dies. Its is customary when there is wide spread corruption in an organization that the leader has to hold the post as long as possible while living to avoid the new person taking over his position from seeing all the paper trails to the corruption.
Question is, If it is deteremined that he was involved in wide spread corruption, will the take his name off the Cook County Hospital. My guess is NO.
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I wouldn't criticize the feds spending that money, in fact spend more. Why, because the U.S. Marshal's Service hires off duty and retired Chicago cops for judge's security and other odd jobs.
I personally like the idea presented by John Carpenter's "Escape from New York". Wall up an island, dump all the prisoners there and drop food to them once a month let them sort it out. No guards inside. No chance of them coming out without permission.
Our jail guards are criminals without records. Our probation and parole systems are a joke. The judges don't enforce the laws on the books as it is because they don't have room. The prisoners have more rights than their victims.
Using the Carpenter solution, P.O.'s and Judges won't have to worry because it will be really unlikely that the prisoners will come out at all. If they did serve their time and got released dump them in another part of the country, and bar them from visiting the state they got arrested in.
Of course in a perfect world without the ACLU this might work. It's better than chopping off the hand of a theif or beheading an adulterer as they do in other countries.
Just a thought. Helloooo Politicians...any thoughts....Politicans????? anyone...
To the John Carpenter fan above:
Dude, you watch too much Star Trek.
But seriously folks, the average mutt doesn't have the brain capacity to blame a judge for their incarceration. They blame that "racist" cop that put a case on them. Know what I's sayin??
Fuck the judges. Half of them are alcoholic degenerate gamblers, anyways.
Looks like a few of y'all are pretty far off in understanding where and who the judges are. Federal judges are not your average Cook county elected mopes.
They certainly do not all live in affluent suburbs either. There are quite a few in Hyde Park around the U of C, and wasn't Lefkow and her hubby up north?
The 7th circuit in Chicago is known as a bastion of conservative and libertarian legal scholarship, thanks to the Chicago influence.
Federal Judges make something like 130K or so, for life (or until impeachment). Appellate court judges may earn more.
Don't get me wrong. Its prolly a good gig, and their demand for security seems a bit shrill... as if they are the only ones whose personal safety is really threatened in the process.
A lot of the district court judges would probably be good cases for concealed carry though, if they could stand to learn how to handle a weapon.
But you cops don't need an alarm. Remember, you all march around with your gun everywhere. Yes, they made the shoulder holster so you could carry a gun without your pants on.
That's right!
Aaaand you can't do a goddamn thing about it but whine like the liberal piece of shit that you are!
Guns! Guns! Guns! I love them, therefore I have many! By law even!
HaHa!!!
BITCH!
Contrary to the anti-gun proponents, having an arsenal and a throbbing, purple and erect eight inch penis are not mutually exclusive.
sounds like a snub-nose to me...
blanks or hollow-points?
What is a nightmare is this: some ex-military nut who had a beef for cops set up a website making a list of each department, officers names, home addresses, social security numbers, pay, telephone numbers, dob's, etc. in King County (Seattle).
King County sued and won, then this nut went back to court and it was overturned.
The news got to me and I went to the FBI who removed the site once, then let him run it.
I did plenty of legal research and put together a strong letter.
I emailed the White House and no response.
Ticked off, I faxed the President and pushed the envelope.
This time, I got a response with the President turning over the matter to the DOJ and FBI.
It took some time, but the site was removed (justicefiles.org)
All of this, when someone could have gone to an officer's home, identify theft, etc.
The most aggravating thing was to hear this nut's lawyer supposedly saying that this website has not caused any officer to be hurt/killed or any identify theft yet.
Go figure.
Why don't all you cops quit whining. If you don't like your job, go get another. Oh I'm sorry, most of you are unemployable in the real world!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember, When taking assault rifles on searches to stick the barrel in the radiator and bend it slightly. This way it will always miss when fired. Especially on hits at crazy cops homes.
Hey, 2:23. most of had jobs in the real world before we took on this profession, protecting little weasel liberal pukes like yourself
It is a shame you flunked the psychological portion. But then again, that is what that exam is for......weeding out jerkoffs like yourself. Now go upstairs....your mommy is calling you for dinner.
I'm not insensitive to the plight of judges, but the attack on Lefkow's family was a random act of violence. Alarms aren't the answer, buckshot in the 10 ring of the offender is!
I wouldn't object to judges carrying concealed, just pass the law and train them.
Well not entirely random. It was directed to her personally in relation to her job and duties.
But the same threat exists for many in positions related to law enforcement. All in all, I think that Federal judges would be the perfect MODEL for who should be authorized and trained for concealed carry. Just make it an option for them, but this is waaaay too obvious an answer to the left.
Perhaps some Federal judges from the majority states (i.e., those that allow concealed carry) should speak up.
I belive Lefkow was related to Hubert Humphry and thats how she received her judgeship. Also she had no problems giving shitheads P.O.'s SS numbers and home addresses during preceddings involving law suits against the police and they expect to receive alarm systems? There are plenty of P.O.'s that had to pack up and move when shit heads found out where they lived maybe the judges should get the sense of that situation.
I belive Lefkow was related to Hubert Humphry and thats how she received her judgeship. Also she had no problems giving shitheads P.O.'s SS numbers and home addresses during preceddings involving law suits against the police and they expect to receive alarm systems? There are plenty of P.O.'s that had to pack up and move when shit heads found out where they lived maybe the judges should get the sense of that situation.
8:29
You stated some of these judges live in hyde park, and you referred that Lefkow is a north sider (As we city kid's call them). She's a lake fronter . Their all upper class!
Their life experiances in this urban ground are slim to none.
The court room on each side seek's a perfect world from the cop's.
As a veteran officer, and a city kid, I have stood in hundred's of cases; federal, civil, and criminal trial's...I've lost a dozen cases, maybe a few more.
Cop's aren't a joke, the shit we go through is very real to us.
Let me put you in my shoes for a moment.
It's 2330 hours, your driving down Madison ave., your on 6 hours of sleep. The car in front of you has a punched trunk lock, the gentelman in the car all turn around and look at the police behind them who are trying to run the plate, they decide they should evade this confrontaion by speeding off. You now hit the emergency button on your computer to get the dispatcher's attention. The chase is now on, you simultaneously shit in your pant's, and get excited to make sure you keep in contol, and are ready for what's about to happen. 5 second's now pass and your HOPEFULLY calling out the right directions the car is travelling, listening as well for the Sgt. to terminate the chase, and hope that your are not going to die yet. The chase, after 15 second's is terminated but the bad guy simultaneously crashes on a high speed turn. The occupant's of the vehicle have miraculoulsy survived the crash, and have decided to exit the car and run. All three are wearing the same clothing, and running in different directions. You are now seperated from your partner, chasing one of the bad guy's, calling out his description, trying to remember what street your on, and listening to siren's who are trying to help you. You chase "YOUR GUY" down a gang way (Oh, buy the way your partner is doing the exact same thing so the radio transmission's are a complete mess with both screaming officer's)and he throws a pistol, you continue the chase but mark in your mind where the gun went. Now your in a fenced in yard fighting with a motherfucker who don't give a shit. Well now it's a 10-1 (A call for help), and you don't know the exact address your at because your brain is focused on the bad guy. You struggle, and through alittle luck, and heavy equiptment,you get the guy cuffed. You now radio your dispatch that your ok. You bring the bad guy out, grab the gun along the way, and head back to the car.
O.K. the drama's over, your heart rate is up 75%, your leg's are wobbly from the run, and you could use an orange whipp.
Your now back at the station. It's 0000 hours, you get off at 0130, but have to be up again at 0700 with the kid's.
Your paper work is going to include (BUT NOT LIMITED TO...HE HE)
A chase report, a TRR report, a vehicle crash report, a recovery supp report, the arrest report, the inventory reports, the tow report. A State complaint for the stolen car, a complaint for the hand gun, a complaint for the unregisterd hand gun, and a complaint for foid. You will then attempt to contact the poor owner of the car, the auto pound, the gun desk. You will run each offender through l.e.a.d.s., be briefed by the watch commander for the chase AND told only one can stay, and finally you will then call the asa's office for approval of charges(I'm 40, and still have to ask permission for charges) the 25 year old 3rd year will then ask for admission of guilt, which in their perfect world there must be, and always is.
you will then call your wife, and let her know that you should be home around 3 or 4 AM.
By the end of the eavening and into the morning your head is pounding from the paper work, and you have a hard time staying awake on the drive home.
7AM you dizzly get your kids off to school, but still think about what you went through.
Court, that's a whole differn't game.
6 month's down the line your grilled about B/S on both side's, then comes your wheeling and deal's, the guy's classed out, but a deal's made because of a 3am err, or a witness was found for the defense. The guy gets a reduced charge to theft, but his background is heavey, so he get's a heavy misd. setence. 3, maybe 4 year's. Deal's, deal's, deal's.
This is a walk through my shoes, imagine what a seasoned detective could say. Imagine what you would say if you walked through our shoe's. This isn't a joke, this isn't about who's right.
O'Brian (SP) you simply suck as a person.
And I forgot to add that this scenario is an every day fact for patrolman.
I would think we'll see more and more "Lefko" type situations, what with the Federal judges approving the elimination of working people's pensions, etc. while granting millions of dollars to ceo's and such fat cats retirement packages, and I won't be surprised at all when those that lose their house and more go postal on those who should be "fixin it" instead of "fuckin it up worse"
"...your (sic) driving down Madison Ave(nue)..." - 1:59:04 AM
Welcome aboard, NYPD. As you well know from working Manhattan, Madison Avenue is between Fifth Avenue and Park Avenue.
As any member of the CPD knows, Chicago has a Madison STREET!.
Otherwise, your "anonymous" account has credibility. if you are indeed a member of the CPD.
"Madison AVENUE???"
That's a first to this thirty year veteran. Just curious.
God bless the CPD and the NYPD!
About concealed carry for federal judges....
Think about it, a federal judge can take months to make the decision on police shooting that a cop must make in a split second.
You're right and I was wrong.....well, partly wrong. It wasn't a "random" act of violence, it was well planned. The randomness of it I guess is that some asshole the judge dealt with actually decided to seek vengence. Any one of us has put some asshole in jail who would love to even the score, but they don't act on it...probably because we're armed.
There isn't a big epidemic of judges being attacked, but if you're the one judge who is attacked, as it was in Lefkow's case, it doesn't make a difference. She suffered from a lunatic, only for doing her job.
An alarm system would be nice, but sorry to say, she and every other judge should pay for it, not the taxpayers. Otherwise we'd seriously have to pay for an alarm system for every member of the judicial system.
I'm also in favor of concealed carry for judges and prosecuting attorneys, provided they receive some training in the handling of weapons.
But in this crazy "state of Chicago" it isn't going to happen. Not when King Richard II can sit on his high throne and dictate the masses be without weapons, all while he has armed guards at his beck and call.
One overlooked sidenote. There have been two (I think) Federal judges in Chicago recently (last 10 years) who were former CPD POs.
James Alesia was one, and I'm pretty sure there was another. I'm pretty sure they came from an era well before Jack O'Malley studied in law school while hiding in an "detailed" lakefront car (as it was told to me) in 021 or 003. Wonder who his Chinaman was.
Alesia was an old school academic with the real-world background. Don't know if we've had many of those since 1970 or so, when it became clear to the vast majority of the local public what a cesspool the city, the Dems, and the CPD had become.
Still, I'd love to see an ex-CPDer made a Federal judge again, as recognition that experience counts for something, and the department isn't entirely devoid of these caliber people anymore.
7:54, Sir I only have served 12 year's on the west side of Chicago. (I feel like I'm explaining this to an attorney again)AND that's the point. I am a filmore ranger (AS YOU CLAIM...very doubtful of that) If I can surmise my statement. It's that copper's go through treamendous amount's of b/s, paper work, and critisism's, only to be ridiculed in the end...AS YOU DID TO THAT STATEMENT.
EITHER you are "Thirsty","Tricky",or "Holemann". If you aren't of the three then you obviously haven't done much police work in your career.
8:42
Thank you for your opinion. You are here by aboslved of any past judgement that you made.
As you can see by my own err, 7:54 has discretited me because of an st.vs.ave. issue (This person is by no means worthy of any police offical's opinion, or our's here).
SCC.BS.COM Today you have two person's who had opinion's, made statement's, and without one FUCK YOU, ASS HAT (I A'M DYING TO KNOW WHAT AN ASS HAT IS), OR YOU SIESER KNOWS WHY. Some opinion got resolved.
You have history here sir. Do you see it?
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