Here's Some Guns - But Don't Practice
More inanity out of what we can only assume is the liberal wing of the country. Channel 2 and Channel 7 have the exact same story up - the Coast Guard has been mounting a bunch of machine guns on their boats, but now they have been held up actually practicing with the damn things.
- A Coast Guard plan to test guns on the Great Lakes has itself come under fire. The Coast Guard has proposed holding target practice with boat-mounted machine guns at dozens of "live-fire zones" around the Great Lakes. One of the zones would be just a few miles from several North Shore beaches.
But after complaints from boating groups and at least one congressman, the Coast Guard has put those plans on hold to accept public comments for 60 days.
Critics say the target practice could threaten boaters and beach-goers. Others say the guns -- which can fire up to 600 rounds a minute -- could also pose an environmental hazard.
Coast Guard stations around the Great Lakes began installing the M-240 machine guns on their boats this year as part of the nation's anti-terrorism efforts.
posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
40 Comments:
The liberals should be happy to know that the Chicago Police officers do not practice with their duty guns. If you ask them they day they stepped foot in the academey they became expert marksmen!
its a joke in the first place that they only get to mount the .22 cal m249 instead of something more formidable like the .50 cal. m2 or at least a .30 cal m60.
and just whare does the navy out of great lakes practice live fire off vessles?
i think the coast guard mounts 30's or 50's in new york waterways.
W T F ?
Can't they find some remote area off Lake Superior rather than a few miles off the North Shore? I'm not a big fan of the stuffy North Shore folk, but this should be done where there is less chance of civilians being around.
Option: Why don't they go to the Rio Grande and shoot a few rounds there?
Forget the Great Lakes, they should beaiming those guns at this site.
The anti-gun crowd has a hard-on for anything that burns nitro cellouse..... Regardless of who owns it, who uses it, and how it is used.
What will the Nancy Pellosi/Chuck Schumer/Ted Kennedy types do when the police/military/coast guard can't practice with their tools, in a semi-realistic training venue.
Shooting at a piece of paper hung up on the area range doesn't cut it.
We train to the lowest common denominator.... Not just CPD, but all agencies. The military especially; they have more accidental discharges, and kill more innocent kids dressed up as soldiers than anyone. The USCG needs to use their tools as intended on the water.
The yuppie-scum lawyer/quiche eating weekend boat "Captains" need to paddle their shit elsewhere.
Bring back Jack Manfrey, Don Evangelista, and the other real trainers......
Off topic, but off duty PO killed in car accident early this morning at 67/Cicero. He was struck by a car of young polish kids speeding, not at fault. I don't want to say his name yet until the family/close friends are notified. That would be a shitty way to find out. So sad...be careful out there.
Kind of like Clinton's rules of engagement in Somalia, do not fire upon anyone unless they shoot first. We have many ripe targets along the lake front that a speed boat full of HE could do some real damage. Why do I have a feeling the dynamic duo, Durbin and Schakowsky are behind the lunacy....
Whats up with the off-duty cop that got into a car accident in 008?
The USCG has my go ahead. The "range" will face west from the shoreline between 63rd St. and Rainbow Beaches.
I am all for machine guns on the lake, It might keep the Canadians from invading us.
PS I am FIrst...Wahoo
per I clear...
As of 30Sep06
0110 for 2006 = 276
For same period in 2005 = 298.
Cline is kicking ass this year!
They must be on the same training protocols as the SWAT Team (HBT 2000)
PS Sorry former High Risk Entry dudes, I don't include you!!!!
the off-duy cop didn't make it, don't know if the facsimile came out so..no full names, but T.H. 29 Y.O. worked in narcotics.
I hope those Polish kids burn in hell!!
Archie Bunker: You're supposed to be the big bug on the Constitution, right? Well the first amendment guarantees that baby the right to bear a machine gun?
Mike Stivic: The first amendment guarantees free speech.
Archie Bunker: Same thing, buddy boy. If you got a gun in your hand, you're free to make any speech you want to.
Off duty cop on his way home from work was hit by a Mustang. He was ejected because he may not have been wearing a seat belt.
RIP and may God Bless.
There is a message here. WEAR THE GOD DAMN, FUCKING, UNCOMFORTABLE SEAT BELTS!!!!
THEY SAVE LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whew, no more surfing for me and the monkey. my board is full of holes. damn bad shot on those boats. to the argh-submarine.
Fuck that Cline is not doing shit. It is the po's on the street that this department treats like shit that the numbers are what they are
firing heavy metals into the lake has an adverse environmental impact.
Besides not being safe for boaters
Im not anti-gun, just pro safety and pro evvironment
The off duty copper that was killed in the car crash was a hell of a guy. Funny as shit. So sad. He will be greatly missed. Be careful out there!
8:20
The article said they intended to practice with an M-240, not the 249 (saw).
30 SEP 06, theres still a month to catch up then
Is the waterway (Lakes/Rivers) State regulated or Federally regulated? I thought the Feds owned all water rights, then State, then private, etc... They shouldn't ven mention it. Friggin pols. They can't do anything right. Just close the lake or the shoreline when and where the y are shooting and have at it. The people who are bitching about the boas practicing are not voting for anyone decent anyway. The fed should just do what they have to and call it a matter of national security (which it is) and screw the courts and bastard liberals that are trying to stop ot rights to remain safe in our own country.
If you dont respect anything else, take a moment and see what YOU created and the MEDIA attention you have brought to the site. Coppers who are dirty should pay a price for their actions. YOU in my book are spineless and in no way should be compared to a working STREET copper. You hide behind this site, dignify lies, report unconfirmed rumors and scandal. YOY have no balls. In my 20 plus years of duty I sped to every 10-1 and copper needs assistance. You I could give 2 shits about. You are NOT a COP, you are an individual who hides behind others. Whatever you spend a month to keep this site going could dedicate it towards the memorial where it would be of value and worth. Congrats on being part of the new generation of hair gel and leather gloves.
I just heard about this P.O. and the accident are his initials T.H.? OMG this is a horrible thing, if it is so I only met him a few months ago, but he is one hell of a guy!!
D + P = Dumb Polacks. Very close relationship to the shithe#d's driving the cadi with 24's.
Rot in hell a!!holes.
30Sep06
I meant 30Aug06
Thanks for pointing that out
I'm all for the Coast Guard sitting off of the North Shore on Lake Michigan practice on the
Norshorians.
or
Cruising up and down the lake and practice on the drunken and asshole boaters.
I would bet they could sell tickets for the practice sessions.
I say let them p[ractice. After striking water at an oblique angle, the rounds will be destabilized and travel less than a half mile. There is little danger to the public, especially if the area is a few miles out in the lake and marked by buoys. Boater are supposed to know what marker buoys are. It's their "Rules of The Road". The most dangerous thing is to turn loose untrained, or undertrained personnel with weapons that they are unfamiliar with. That is the mentality of this department, because the top brass are so inundated and controlled by the liberals who believe that inanimate objects are the true cause of crime rather than people's actions. It's easier to blame a piece of metal than expect these dregs of society to accept responsibility for their actions.
As stated, the M-249 is in 5.56 MM anf the M-240 is in 7.62, a more effective round. The M-2HB is a great weapon for light armor/vehicles/ equipment and such but is a little overkill for anti personnel use. I do believe, however that they should be included in the mix. Many boats nowadays are constructed with Kevlar hulls. Place some cold rolled steel plating (1/4 inch backing) behind the Kevlar The thickness of our vests)and you will defeat the 5.56 round and standard 7.62 Ball rounds at distances of 300 meters. The .50 cal rounds are all AP, even the standard Ball rounds, let alone the Tracer or Incendiary rounds.
9/03/2006 08:20:37 AM
M240 is a 308 round. Same as the 60 just a newer version. The M249 is the .223.
As far as the odpo, it was at 67 Cicero. Ejected, no seat belt. Godspeed my friend.
Anonymous said:
If you dont respect anything else, take a moment and see what YOU created and the MEDIA attention you have brought to the site.
We created a little site where coppers could have some fun, blow off some steam, share some war stories. If you think this Department runs on anything but stories, you're sadly mistaken
Coppers who are dirty should pay a price for their actions.
agreed
YOU in my book are spineless and in no way should be compared to a working STREET copper.
an insult without basis. we've worked the street plenty of years and continue to do so. we've made many arrests, gotten many awards and given the prime of our life to this job. screw you
You hide behind this site, dignify lies, report unconfirmed rumors and scandal.
we just publish the site. yes, we hide our identity, but with good reason. if you think there wouldn't be penalties for what we do here, you're a moron.
YOY have no balls.
again, the awards and career say differently
In my 20 plus years of duty I sped to every 10-1 and copper needs assistance.
us too. imagine that?
You I could give 2 shits about. You are NOT a COP, you are an individual who hides behind others.
so now because of something you read that we probably didn't have anything to do with, you're going to turn your back on 20 plus years of being a respectable human being and competent police officer? Wow. We'll bet that as soon as the Mexican army marches over the border, you'll be at the front of the parade with the white flag and shouting "Amigo! Amigo!" Asshat
Whatever you spend a month to keep this site going could dedicate it towards the memorial where it would be of value and worth.
it's free jackass. go read about it. and we've probably given more to the memorial than you ever did
Congrats on being part of the new generation of hair gel and leather gloves.
never needed hair gel - don't have enough to worry about gel. As to leather gloves, keep your little fantasies to yourself please. We were always a sap guy.
Well said SCC (07:21:11) Back each other up. Never turn your back on another copper even if you dislike him/her.
Answer your calls and thats it. Give this city nothing. Give the citizens their police service and make the politicians scream for our help. I stopped hunting a few years back and feel a thousand percent more relaxed. No more BS with the states attorney, bosses, court.
Forget the BE THE REAL POLICE shit. It only gets you jammed up. Rememeber to stand pretty when the aldergoofs demand we have a roll call at one of their bullshit block/street meetings.
Its a great job we have...to bad its a total shit company we work for.
To our fallen brother this weekend....rest in peace! God bless his loved ones.
SCC said...
Now this was great. An intelligent response to a retard and moron. Probably one of the best comments in a long while.
You are doing a good enough job. You should hide, Rule Two, you know.
And the crybabies and whiners need some place to go and vent about things they know nothing about, including police work.
You should get a public service award.
"overkill for anti personnel"
yes, but what if the bad guys are in a vessle or behind cover.
think of it this way. remember when you were a kid and a bigger kid put his hand on your head, held his arm out strait and told you to punch him. you might have thrown a punch before realizing your reach was insufficient but his was not.
sometimes you need to reach out.
After 9-11, and especially after some of the bomb attacks in other countries, I expected many bomb attacks in this country by now. I now believe the FBI, CIA, ATF, etc, are doing a good job behind the scenes. Trying to make/buy bombs probably leaves too much of a trail; be it paper, etc. Therefore I believe our next attacks will be small groups of these maniacs w/high powered weapons attacking a sports event or some other large gathering of citizens, and killing as many as they can before the Police can take them down. Sound stupid? Thats what they were doing in the mid 80's when they were walking into airports in Europe and mowing people down.(gringos included) And thats why Reagan bombed Libya. This discussion of weapons is great; remember all u people working squad cars, your the bottom of the rung. Your unconnected and the city could care less, but you'll be the first to run into these guys, bad luck OR by the radio. its up to u to stay well armed, and trained!Read what some of these beloved gun nuts are saying on this blog!!!!
The Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), or 5.56mm M249 is an individually portable, gas operated, magazine or disintegrating metallic link-belt fed, light machine gun with fixed headspace and quick change barrel feature. The M249 engages point targets out to 800 meters, firing the improved NATO standard 5.56mm cartridge. The SAW forms the basis of firepower for the fire team. The gunner has the option of using 30-round M16 magazines or linked ammunition from pre-loaded 200-round plastic magazines. The gunner's basic load is 600 rounds of linked ammunition.
The M240G Machine Gun is the ground version of the original M240/M240E1, 7.62mm medium class weapon designed as a coaxial/pintle mounted machine gun for tanks and light armored vehicles. The rate of fire may be controlled by three different regulator settings. The M240G is modified for ground use by the installation of an ""infantry modification kit,"" comprised of a flash suppressor, front sight, carrying handle for the barrel, a buttstock, infantry length pistol grip, bipod, and rear sight assembly. While possessing many of the same basic characteristics as the M60 series medium class machine guns, the durability of the M240 system results in superior reliability and maintainability when compared to the M60.
The Browning M2 .50 Caliber Machine Gun, Heavy barrel is an automatic, recoil operated, air-cooled machine gun with adjustable headspace and is crew transportable with limited amounts of ammunition over short distances. By repositioning some of the component parts, ammunition may be fed from either the left or right side. A disintegrating metallic link-belt is used to feed the ammunition into the weapon. This gun is has a back plate with spade grips, trigger, and bolt latch release. This gun may be mounted on ground mounts and most vehicles as an anti-personnel and anti-aircraft weapon. The gun is equipped with leaf-type rear sight, flash suppressor and a spare barrel assembly. Associated components are the M63 antiaircraft mount and the M3 tripod mount.
Any truth to rumors that Glocks will be authorized by December?
Yes. December 2020.
Any truth to rumors that Glocks will be authorized by December?
Yes, don't know about December, but Cline has approved them, and a few others i'm told.........
Glocks and Springfields, approved. .45's that hold up to 14 rounds. 9mm's as well.
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