Hidden Homicides?
Channel 2's Pam Zekman tries to drop a bombshell on the mayor and the Department Monday night, leveling accusations of reclassifying homicides as "Death Investigations" in order to keep the count lower and make everything seem safer in the city. It seems most of the report was a dud. We don't believe that the Detective Division can arbitrarily downgrade homicides. Certain criteria have to be met before such actions can occur. That being said, Zekman raises a couple of interesting points:
- ...the medical examiner's office ruled Allen died of strangulation, which is a homicide. His brother was shocked when we told him.
"Do you believe the medical examiner?" CBS 2's Pam Zekman asked him.
"Of course I do," Allen said. "They go to school for this. The police are the police."
CBS 2 has obtained copies of documents that show a detective assigned to the case justified closing it out as non-criminal by misstating the autopsy findings. The county's chief medical examiner refused to be interviewed on camera but stands by his pathologist's conclusions.
Political persons in the middle of a potentially embarrassing incident refusing to be interviewed on camera is always a red flag in our book. And accusations of misstating autopsy findings better be on the money or it may be actionable. Another interesting incident:
- Then there are the deaths of five women -- their partially dressed or naked bodies were found in abandoned buildings or vacant lots over the last five years. The pathologists in each case concluded the deaths were homicides caused by strangulation.
Without the reports in front of us and addresses to go with the incidents, we can't make any sort of judgment. But in light of the fact that there were something like 3 or 4 serial killers operating in Englewood and points south in the 90's, any dead prostitute with evidence of strangulation ought to be looked at very closely before classifying it as a "Death Investigation."
Deputy Chief Chasen comes off pretty well in the report, but there is this little blip on the radar:
Deputy Chief Chasen comes off pretty well in the report, but there is this little blip on the radar:
- Chasen says he doesn't know how the women died, but police can not rely on the medical examiner's conclusions that it was strangulation. "There is no physical evidence whatsoever to indicate that," he said. Dr. Donoghue says the police are out of their area of expertise and defends the findings of his pathologists.
We're certain that a large number of defense attorneys are going to jump all over the statement that the police cannot rely on the medical examiner's conclusions. The medical examiner is, in most cases, a certified expert in their field. They go to school for years to do their job. This being said, Cook County Medical Examiners are political animals and in some cases, political hacks (see the ME's report on the alleged TASER death of an individual with something like 5 times the lethal dose of methamphetamine in his system for details). This might be an interesting debate.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
128 Comments:
I agree that the relatively small number of cases involved would not make a major difference in the homicide total, but....if the ME says its a homicide (cause of death), then its a homicide (defined loosely as a death of aperson caused by another), plain and simple. Whether it's as the result of a criminal act, or whether any person(s) may be arrested and charged criminally, is completely another matter. To the extent they are, the Det. Div. is playing games.....
Hey SCC are you kidding me. I knew Chasen when he was a Sgt. in Area 4. One of the most arrogant pieces of shit on this job. Everyone now knows how this city works. How people get promoted. How incredible the detective divsion can be (some detective are good police officers and some should be indicted just for being incredible dumbshits). Nothing new about this stuff. Vote Democrat.
I still wonder whatever happened with that homicide (ops.I mean death investigation) on new years eve, 025 district, a few years ago (you know, when the homicide totals were around 598 or 599, and the city was shitting because the bond rating would go up if the total hit 600), and the detectives ANOV'd the husband, who shot the wife in the head, "accidentially".
Was the husband ever charged with something other then failure to register? Anyone in area 5 know?
Sorry, I'm the first one to bash own accounting of crime statistcs (CDTP instead of attempt burglary - CTTL instead of burglary, etc..)
That being said, I believe the actual number of suspected serial killers (killed more than one person at seperate times) was about 13 active in the past 6-10 years.
The Medical examiner's office is sometimes to quick to call something a homicide for criminal purposes. They use strangulation or suffocation as a cause of death on adults like they do SIDS in children. For those who don't know, SIDS has o identified cause. If they rule out the stuff they know to look for, they say the child died of SIDS. That's it. It is the lack of anything else conclusive that causes them to find that way. It is the same with dead bodies that have decomposed a bit. I personally was told by one of the ME's (with a very funny name, hint hint) that my victim was a victim of homicide by strangulation because, "If he/she was suffocated, there would have been a pillow nearby." No shit. My victim (based on body position, medical history, and the scene died of a heart attack, was decomposed and later was burlarized when the neighborhood shitheads realized what the smell was and that noone asnswered the door. They ruled it a homicide. They also have a tendancy to rule that police killed people by chasing them (when they crash or kill someone else during a pursuit) and it is actually a homicide even if it's justified (self defense) and I'm not sure if the CPD includes those in the stats.
Now I know nothing about the 80 something other ones the news flushed out, but take everything with a grain of salt.
There were 80 plus cases where the department would not produce requested records to Zekman. She only got that small sampling of records and it does not smell good.
This crap comes from the very top and is nothing new to the CPD.
In the old days it was not so easy to hide murders with the Coroner system where they'd hold a public Coroner's Inquest for every questionable death and have a jury's verdict.
I have two stories about this on my blog right now.
Perhaps some good can come out of this like the hiring of enough officers to properly police Chicago for a change.
years ago the dept was killing crime and Pam Zekman wrote an expose on underclassifying
When I sstarted in the first dist, there were to be no homicides and very few thefts
Thefts were written as Lost and Found
My first DOA was a bum broad who was in a building on the west loop, I think not too far from Presidential towers
She was nude, bloody and her neck was obviously broken and hyperextended.
My FTO made me write it as a Hospitalization Death Investigation
Any way it was over 29 years of Vaudeville and now I have a pension.
I consider myself to be a very fortunate individual
Be safe out there. Take care of each other
Commander Chasen knows so much more than some stupid DOCTOR at the ME's office (they only have to go to medical school for 9 years).
I am going to see if Commander Chasen is on my HMO plan so I can start getting treatment from him since he obviously knows more than a stupid doctor.
As for this city, Phil CLine and his compliment of exempt rank supervisors have singlehandedly turned Chicago into a safer city than DisneyWorld. I can't believe Pam Zuckman would accuse his administration of doing anything misleading. (they would never lie at others expense to make themselves look good).
Did I lay the sarcasism on thick enough? Don't kill crime regardless of what the bosses say. We all know this city is only getting worse and its about time the department starts accurately reporting it.
Off topic but. don’t remember what thread this was in….
Hey SCC- I tried not to be TOO graphic when explaining to the young'uns that Northside was covering for me and my shameful habit of bovine love at the Chicago Fire. The point, couched in humour, was that old school coppers stand up for each other and are desperately attempting to reconnect the dots of the thin blue line, a Sisyphean task indeed. Thanks for printing it and if you ever want to hear the unexpurgated version...
Though I don't mean to imply you need it, Northside, I got your back! Just like you had mine.
And I had the cow's!
Here's some background on the Medical Examniner's Office. Both Stein and Donahue were and are arrogant assholes. The difference between the two are Donahue is a police hater and thinks he's God. Donahue is over ruling his own people at the posts. When Donahue thinks the circumstances are suspicious and there are no obvious signs of trauma, Donahue's foolproof answer is death by strangulation.
For example: A/4 had a body in a trash can floating in the river. The body was wrapped, the can was duct taped, no IDs, narcotics in possesion. The ME had no clue how this guy died. Donahue made it a strangulation. The investigation revealed that the victim died of natural causes, was found by his buddies, his buddies couldn't report it because they were growing Marijuana in the apartment. So they did the next best thing and gave the lad a burial at sea.
The Zekman story although alarming is a nothing story. To the untrained citizen or police officers who have no experience in death invstigations or murders, the story gives the impression that there is some conspiracy to bring down the murder rate by classifying everything as a death investigation as opposed to a murder. To begin with, all homicides are not murders. The ME conducts the autopsy and determines the cause and manner of death. In addition to his medical findings, the ME must also rely on the police investigation to support his findings. If there is no clear cut reason for a death during the preliminary investigation of a death, it is a death investigation pending the results of the police investigation. There are many instances where the preliminary investigation discloses no reason for a death. These are documented as death investigations until the investigation or autopsy shows otherwise. Remember the elements of murder. A suffocation death with no supporting evidence of a murder is still just a death investigation. A dead body with blunt trauma to the head is not an automatic murder. The deceased could have fallen or been struck by a car or been struck accidentally. Until you have something supporting the murder classification, it is still a death investigation. As far as the Zekman examples surrounding the deaths of the strangled females, we do not have enough information to make a judgement on these. CPD numbers and the ME numbers will always be off. The Detective Division is not playing games. If an investigation calls for re-classifying a death to a murder, it is reclassified. Detectives are not concerned with the murder stats.
Someone who knows politics said:
Why would we consider playing with the number of homocides that take place in Chicago?
Could it be that we are now in the finals to secure home front advantage for the olympics?
Sounds to me, from my point of view, that the only reason we would even consider on reclassifying homicides is to show the world that we are a safe city. "...not to mention, that we have two very good airports... Midway and O'Hare"...
Missing persons is another good place to look when fluffing homicide numbers. If there is no body...there is no crime.
The missing person numbers from previous years compared to say, the last 3 years would be interesting to see.
It’s no surprise to me to see this report. It’s about time this department is called on the table for inaccurate reporting. I have had several reports kicked back to me from review in the last few years with the little yellow sticky requesting that I do the report over and change the classification.
I have been a police officer for 23 years. I know a burglary, theft or a lost property case when I see one. It’s not rocket science, just good preliminary investigation and gathering all the facts.
As for a Homicide vs. a Death investigation, Im not trained for years as the medical examiners office investigators are, but I have seen the Det. Division drag their feet and higher command ask that we “Not move so quickly” when classification times comes for the case report.
It is what it is. Citizens in Chicago have a right to know the accurate reporting statistics of crime in this city. The city has many nice areas (As we know, we live in them), but there is also tons of nasty, dirty and crime filled areas. I would move from here in a second if I could. Lets see if SCC lets this one in.
Dont make excuses up for the department that is so messed up it's not funny. They got caught. Shame on them.
The final arbiter in determining cause and manner of suspicious deaths is the Office of the Cook Co. Medical Examiner.
The Detective Division MUST base their classifications on the findings of Dr. Donoghue and his staff.
I assure you that if Zekman's report is correct (EIGHTY HOMICIDES), we're not talking a "dud" here. We are talking about a possible Pulitzer Prize for exposing a systemic cover-up.
Significantly, the possibility exists that malfeasance by the city is allowing a serial strangler who preys on crack whores to remain on the streets of the South Side with impunity.
What say you, Daley, Cline and "Chief" Maher?
FBI UCR
The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another. The classification of this offense is based solely on police investigation as opposed to the determination of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or other judicial body. The UCR Program does not include the following situations in this offense classification: deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident; justifiable homicides; and attempts to murder or assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated assaults.
OH MY GOD! Does that mean my real estate will go down???
No they are not, the ME's office has been an adversary of the department for years since Donaghue took office, he hates the police and rules against them in cases all the time, ask the guys in area 4 about the infamous "classic police choke hold," story from a few years back, it was proved false by security camera surveilence that he refused to view; he also called the deaths from the county building fire homicides and told the department to prove they weren't, he is no friend of the police. The last real ME we had was Stein.
I agree with the comments posted under "Safety Alert" at 11:08 40.
Pam Zekman got it right when she stated that they are carrying homicides as death investigations.
The M.E. is a trained pathologist and we are not. Chasen looked like a goof when he was speaking.
The other half ot the manipulations that are goning onis when the Detective Division no longer carries an investigation as a homicide when gang-bangers are involved but rather classify it as a involuntary manslaughter so it no longer is carried on the homicide report.
These are the two tricks that Cline learned from New York. If Zekman really looked into it she would find that the story has national implications.
12:08 AM
"...relatively small number of (homicide) cases..."
Just EIGHTY (80) MURDERS, eh? No big thing.
Otherwise, I agree with your comment.
Off topic
Tomorrow, CPD is supposed to honor veterans of the various wars. Whatever. While you asshats were vacationing in the "sandbox", your partners were covering your work.
If anybody deserves an award it's us, because you hacks left us hanging.
Don't give me the "we got called to serve speech" either. You volunteered, so you get what you deserve. I agree with Coldtype, Leftisbest and any other anti-war/military CPD officer out there with guts to tell you self-proclaimed "veterans" off.
I get sick of seeing the way the districts and specialized units seem to cater to you returning military people. You aren't special and you don't deserve special treatment.
It's bad enough you get to wear a ribbon to say you served overseas. Now the powers that be want to award you a plaque for serving? You all make me sick!
What about the CPD officer who got pulled out of the Academy and had to serve? They get no recognition and they did the same stuff? Or what about the CPD officers who served their country before becoming a Chicago police officer. Screw them too?
You don't deserve crap! I think more officers should raise hell about this so-called preferential treatment.
No, I'm not in the military, but I know people who are and they will tell you they volunteered for the war. I just think CPD is giving veterans too much credit. They put on their pants just like everyone of us. They are the same as us! Thank a veteran for my freedom? I live in America Jack! I am free already. Go tell your stories to someone like in Darfur or somewhere like that. America got attacked on 9-11 because we acted like we are so much better and powerful. Iraq was based on a lie. Never found the WMDs did we? Afghanistan was our ally in the 80's, so we just turned on our own. I'm going to crack a beer now and drink to the men and women who had to cover the work of the "volunteers."
-tired of the bs
To 9:12:
Reclassify a homicide as involuntary manslaughter? Are you nuts? Give an example. I've been a dick for eight years and have NEVER heard that one.
Finally, it is amazing that people here jump on board and think that Zekman's report was 100 per cent true. I'll remember that when a citizen tells me that the dead body had a wallet with it but now it is missing.
Bob Milan will not allow his assistant's to approve murder charges unless they can guarantee they will be able to obtain a conviction.
If the SAO will not prosecute gang-banger murders then why should the Department not reclassify them from homicide/murder to homicide/involuntary manslaughter.
If a loser is found dead in an abandoned building and the initial investigation reveals little chance of identifying what had occurred I see no reason it should be reclassified from a death investigation to homicide/murder. If by chance some time later that the person responsible is identified then the investigation can be reclassified at that time.
This policy makes Mayor Daley and Superintendent Cline look great and the citizens feel good.
Keep up the good work fellows.
How about the drug induced homicidies (feynatol) hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i mean hmmmmmm .
where any of those deaths ever classified as homicides ??
I wonder if it would be so easy to forget or pass off on if ONE of these supposed "death Investigation" was a family member.
Unfortunately the media just have to come up with one legitimate homicide, that was mislabel,,,,,,and a whole department gets a black eye.
Why did poor Mike Chasen draw the short straw for that TV interview debacle with Zekman?
Where was our highly-respected and venerable chief of detectives?
Watch and see The Dems are going to pass a plan the all new officers will ONLY GET a 401 K
I am not a baiter or a phony and I really don't care how they classify them but... I saw a situation in 007 similar to 12:44. Late that same year (Nov. or Dec.) a woman found in 007 with her head bashed in by a brick and her pants around her ankles. The patrolman pulled a 0110 before the Dics got there and was told to change the UCR to a death investigation.
If you buy chicken at the store and its deliberatley tainted with a poison by another person. Is that Homicide? If so are the fentynol overdoses homicides or not? Also why are the overdosers refered to as victims. Aren't they offenders possessing illegal narcotics (heroine). Sure its in their blood but they possesws it just the same. I say charge them and at least fine them three times the cost of the medical bills
Anonymous said...
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Alderman satisfied with police hires
Department went from 222 vacancies to 43
November 14, 2006
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
An influential alderman on Monday dropped his quest to force Mayor Daley to hire 100 more Chicago Police officers after being assured that the police vacancy rate has been reduced.
"I'm not backing off. My objective was to get a hundred police officers hired. This has us with [more than] 200 hired," said Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th).
"I have no pride of victory -- except if I'm on a handball court. Then, I want to win. But, I'm not going to war with anybody. All I want to do is get this out there. It was very successful. It opened up a dialogue -- not just [with] one of us or two of us or 10 of us. It was everybody."
At a Budget Committee hearing that sets the stage for Wednesday's final vote on the mayor's spending plan for 2007, Budget Director Paul Volpe said Chicago started the year with 222 police officer vacancies, and aggressive hiring has since reduced that number to 43.
600 cops retire a year
By the end of the year, the number of police vacancies will be down to zero, Volpe said. That's even though the normal attrition rate is 50 per month, or 600 retiring officers every year.
Over the years, police hiring has been slowed -- and vacancies left open -- in a budget sleight-of-hand designed to save millions without raising taxes.
Now, Daley is reducing the anticipated savings from police turnover -- from $34.4 million this year to $19.9 million in 2007 -- in response to pressure from aldermen to put more officers on the street to fight crime and enforce the city's traffic laws.
HOW DOES THE DEPARTMENT STATE THAT THERE WERE ONLY 222 VACANCIES? HOW DOT THEY STATE THAT AS OF THIS ARTICLE THERE ARE ONLY 43? HOW CAN THEY STATE AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY WILL BE AT 0?
REPORTERS NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS. DISTRICTS DENIED TIME DUE. DISTRICTS WITH LITTLE OR NO RAPIDS. DISTRICTS WITH GHOST (NOT MANNED) BEAT CARS!
I ALSO LOVE THE PART IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE CITIES "SLIGHT OF HAND" THEY SHOULD JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT IS ALL ABOUT BULLSHITING THE NUMBERS, ISN'T THAT WHAT SLIGHT OF HAND MEANS IN THIS CONTEXT!
did everyone forget about all the people who overdosed and died from the bad heroin??/ look in your ilcs book drug-induced HOMICIDE hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If the New Breed and GD's keep fucking with us...there will definitely be hidden homicides around the city. Cops don't like being hunted. The badguys want a war with CPD-BRING IT!!!
-007 District Ranger
All I wanna know is WHERE WE GONNA EAT....
What about DEAN THE DREAM ANDREWS- Commander A5 det.Div- look at all the homicides he's cleared & played with over the years....A5 had the highest clear up rate. Want to know why? It was'nt because of detective work.....
Critical questions in the deaths of the five prostitutes under other than natural causes:
Was strangulation with or without ligature? Asphyxia?
Condition of the hyoid in each of the decedents?
What plausible explanations are provided by the police to corroborate the classification of these cases as anything other than murder or non-negligent manslaughter?
The problem is that Donaghue and his staff do not respond to crime scenes like they are supposed to. A trained "pathologist" would consider many factors such as surroundings in the conclusion. As far as I know all he looks at is a body on a table.
I agree--Chasen looked a little like the commercial of Gov. Blago who got caught off guard and couldn't manufacture an answer quick enough so terminated the interview. He looked like an a--hole if you ask me.
Go PAM go!
What about all the OD's w/ the HEROIN w/ the Fetanyl ??
Guess what ---- They are HOMICIDES BABY ... how many this year about 100 or so???
I'm sure all cities fudge the numbers on this one so why should we be legit????
HEY SCC WHY DON'T YOU JUST POST THE TOPIC HEADING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL YOUR CRAP??????????
THIS BLOG SHOULD NOT TAKE 12 HOURS TO CATCH UP ON
Attention: LeftIsTheBest
If New York and Chicago are playing games with the homicide count as the lady believes it could be big..
Giuliani and Bloomberg are considering running for President. Part of their claim-to-fame is the reduction of crime in NYC. Daley is running for reelection in Chicago based on the same claim.
If the numbers are being manipulated then it could effect their political futures.
I would hope if anyone can help defeat them they inform Ms. Zekman at Pzekman@cbs.com
The citizenry will get the police force that they deserve.
I'm still shaking my head in disbelief over the election of Todd Stroger.
Only thirteen wards were carried by Tony Peraica. In order, with the percentage voting for Peraica, they are:
WARD PERAICA PCT.
41st 75.5%
45th 63.5%
38th 60.6%
42nd 59.4%
43rd 59.3%
36th 56.1%
39th 54.4%
32nd 53.4%
23rd 52.3%
50th 51.8%
19th 52.4%
44th 50.4%
47th 50.0%
As far as I'm concerned, most of the electorate in the remaining thirty-seven wards are brain dead.
I disagree, Chasen came across appearing arrogant especially at the end and whose voice was in the background just prior to the chuckle and the comment, we will end it here, smile! Now this could have been due to discomfort of being on camera and the questions being a wee bit edgy, none the less his composure became undone at the end. Attorney's will feed on the story and the issue will not die and that's the point now. CPD and the political office of the M.E. have some explaining to do, regardless. As to a medical point of view who do you think a jury would believe if it came to that point? A wriggle is a wriggle by any other name. There's one very unhappy politician out there and we call him Da Mayor wit da flare, with one headache after the next.
If there's any attorney on board what do you think. Lawsuits settled out of court a possible half hearted investigation of a potential possible unk serial killer from the past adding more log for the cold case unit along with a new CPD order, then business as usual? I think anyone with time on this job knows the answer.
Question, will any top heads roll or will it be the lower rank specifically? Or would that look like accountability either way? We know a boss has to approve and an upper head always review or should be on final closure's some where along the line of the investigation. Or does no one care about the alleged M.E. findings with the back and forth arguments between CPD and the M.E. office? Sniff, sniff, no matter how trite some may see it, smells bad either way.
Come on people can anyone defend any of the actions of the dept. and the city 100%, unless your a Bar and a Gold Star filled with political hacks along with the city attorney's and outside attorneys protecting the standing of the Mayors office. Bond rating was a good point for some one to toss into the mix, next.
HEY SCC WHY DON'T YOU JUST POST THE TOPIC HEADING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL YOUR CRAP??????????
THIS BLOG SHOULD NOT TAKE 12 HOURS TO CATCH UP ON
Hey New Visitor - go find out what a blog is. Then go read our archives. Then exercise the sense god gave you and figure out why this site is run the way it is.
We've got our priorities straight. Do you?
Heroin overdoses rae just that, overdoses. They are not being forcibly injected with herion laced with fentynol. The buyers know what's in it. Not a crim e other than maybe civil liability. That's a stretch....
11:48:37 Are you saying that D.Mcee of the GONE SHOPPING WITH THE CPD VAN IN RIVER OAKS, AND I DON'T GO ON MAN WITH GUN CALLS,CUZ I GO CHILREN capers is now working in the Admin office of A/2? Is there a new commander of A/2 Dicks? I'll be watching her. What about training? Oh wait, she wasn't really the police anyway.
Hey 09:28:06
YOU are the biggest FUCKEN MORON on this planet. To say anything bad about our servicemen and women is out fucken rageous . I could tell by the first couple of lines that YOU never served and I think I know why. Your BALLS must be about the size of a womans . You should kneel and kiss the feet of any service person you know because they served and you didn't they saved you from the draft being brought back. So Mister I never served, go home and get your fucken shine box and take up a new trade. MORON !!!!!!
Was told on numerous occassions to reclassify burglaries as theft from buildings so we don't get stuck with the burglary stats. I say call it like it is, now make those 80 or so death invetigations, the 100 or so fentanyl overdoses, and what ever else homicides so we can take the number one spot again this year.
Forget about the city hiding Homicides.....how about investigating the city hiding police officers so the rest of the workers, on the beat, in the Det. Divsion,, SOS, and so on, can get some help. Yes, even the units. Many of these units are comprised of a few good workers who need to compensate for those on scholarship. Somethings wrong when a member of the Gun Team doesn't know how to do a gun inventory. You don't think others have to carry that individual.
For those of you with long term memory loss, Pam Zeckman is the former wife of federal Judge James Zagel (he has one of the current Rezko cases) who served in the 80s as the head of the Illinois Dept. of Law Enforcement. Doubt she has any love of the police.
You wonder how they can say there are only a few PO vacancies Its easy back inn 1983 or 1984 they redrew the beat maps. districts went from 5 beat cars per sector to 3 beat cars. when that happened they were able to say that we were fully staffed and all the beat cars were up. No one was hired but we went from being understaffed to fully staffed. The citizens believe what ever they read in the papers and see on TV
Glad to see that everyone believes the media and not the Police. Have you ever been involved in a cse that ended up in the media? You would swear that it is a different case by the time that they are done putting their spin on it. The media...and you believe them? I would ask any one of you (if you are the police) to go to an Area and review one of these cases yourself. If you think for one minute that the M.E. is a friend of the Police you are also very mistaken. "we have found the enemy and he is us". This is pathetic-taking Pam Z's side over our own....This has NOTHING to do with the Mayor, the Chief or anyone else. No decent Detective is going to hide a murder nor will any supervisor with any sense going to sign off on it. Don't think so? Well I double dog dare you...pull one of these cases, bring it to the attention of those assigned and/or their supervisor and I'm sure that they can explain it.
To anonymous
11/14/2006 09:28:06 AM
You sir, are a pimp! Because you never served in the military JUST the CPD [While an honable profession] you dare criticize our brothers and sisters in Blue that serve Both our city AND our nation!?
I bet you voted a straight Democratic ticket too!?
And your mommy still wipes your ass.
Anyone who criticizes a brother/sister on this job merely because they served our country.....[see my first remark, PIMP]
If YOU take offense to this rebuttal, make a statement here on SCC. IF I can't get time-due off on a mutual day, I'll send my 14 year old kid to kick your ass-PIMP.
"She" already volunteered.
11:28 AM
YES on both counts.
You need look no further than the seven 1982 cyanide-laced Tylenol murders. All but one occurred in the suburbs.
After returning from O'Hare, UAL flight attendant Paula PRINCE bought a bottle of Tylenol at Walgreens, 1601 N. Wells St.
At her Sandburg Village apt., she ingested enough cyanide to kill a horse. It still remains an...
UNSOLVED HOMICIDE; AREA 6
As a homicide dick, the findings of the then coroner (now the medical examiner) were doctrine. However, if we developed new information/evidence, a review could conceivably result in a rare reclassification.
Will our "meritorious" CHIEF extricate our once nationally-respected "D" from this dilemma? Leave my man Chasen out of your quagmire, Senora Sherlock.
Where the fuck is John "Da Deuce" Farrell when we need him?
Whats all the excitment about over the Homicide rate.
It sems that its that last five years we are all concerned with.
It seems there are 80 cases in dispute with the MEs office. So be it. Lets say all 80 cases get reviewed and are determined to ideed be murders.
You average the 80 cases over the last five years thats 16 additional cases a year.
That tells me that the numbers are still way down. So what the fuck is every one getting all bent out of shape about.
If the city reports 400 murders for the year and the M.E. reports 416.
Thats 16 cases the agencies can't cant agree on a definite cause and manner of death. Thats less that a 4% margine of error. Thats pretty dam good in my book. Is it criminal?
HELL NO!
The death of the human body is not an exact science and never will be.
Now the press is basicly saying that a Police officer although human must never make a mistake. And we all know that when we go to our Doctor that doctor never makes a mistake, RIGHT.
We all know that Pam Zekman and the Media are always 100% acurate and truthfull when that report a story or do what they consider an investigation, RIGHT.
Don't sweat the small stuff. But if I thought for a minute this report would change the way the City runs the Police Department or it may unseat King Daley, I would jump all over this shit.
IN RESPONSE TO THE BELOW "COWARD" WHO HAS THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE OUR BROTHERS/SISTERS IN BLUE MERELY BEACAUSE THEY SERVED 'BOTH' THIS CITY AND OUR COUNTRY.....
I copied and pasted a response that follows from another SCC site that should answer your question.
P.S. YOU, sir are a C-O-W-A-R-D!!
Anonymous said...
Off topic
Tomorrow, CPD is supposed to honor veterans of the various wars. Whatever. While you asshats were vacationing in the "sandbox", your partners were covering your work.
If anybody deserves an award it's us, because you hacks left us hanging.
Don't give me the "we got called to serve speech" either. You volunteered, so you get what you deserve. I agree with Coldtype, Leftisbest and any other anti-war/military CPD officer out there with guts to tell you self-proclaimed "veterans" off.
I get sick of seeing the way the districts and specialized units seem to cater to you returning military people. You aren't special and you don't deserve special treatment.
It's bad enough you get to wear a ribbon to say you served overseas. Now the powers that be want to award you a plaque for serving? You all make me sick!
What about the CPD officer who got pulled out of the Academy and had to serve? They get no recognition and they did the same stuff? Or what about the CPD officers who served their country before becoming a Chicago police officer. Screw them too?
You don't deserve crap! I think more officers should raise hell about this so-called preferential treatment.
No, I'm not in the military, but I know people who are and they will tell you they volunteered for the war. I just think CPD is giving veterans too much credit. They put on their pants just like everyone of us. They are the same as us! Thank a veteran for my freedom? I live in America Jack! I am free already. Go tell your stories to someone like in Darfur or somewhere like that. America got attacked on 9-11 because we acted like we are so much better and powerful. Iraq was based on a lie. Never found the WMDs did we? Afghanistan was our ally in the 80's, so we just turned on our own. I'm going to crack a beer now and drink to the men and women who had to cover the work of the "volunteers."
-tired of the bs
11/14/2006 09:28:06 AM
RESPONSE [below] Thanks bro' stay safe!
Anonymous said...
Ask an Iraq war veteran how he or she feels about saying their time over there was a waste and watch the fireworks fly! Go ahead...Tell them that they did not accomplish anything to help the Iraqis. Tell them they are all wrong and evil people for serving their country and killing innocent insurgents. Tell them their buddies died in vain for a non-worthy cause.
I'm sick of all the cowards out there hiding from the front lines. All you non-serving Monday morning quarterbacks haven't a clue what it means to fight for your freedom. Quit spewing out your negativity towards these men and women. You think you have all the answers to fighting a war, but in reality, you are just modern day Playstation junkies who have played too many war games. Leave the battlefield to the real Commanders out there who are trying to keep their people alive. If you weren't there, then you will not be able to comprehend the experience. Unless you were tested by combat-you have no right to give these veterans a difficult time. All gave some...Some gave all. Never forget your fallen...
Coldtype, Malcolm X's Little Brother, Leftisbest and all you other sniveling police cowards (you know who you are)lay off the topic of whether the Iraq war is right or not? You should thank your lucky stars that there are brave men and women who proudly defend your freedom. Remember them over there this Veteran's day-standing watch while you relax without a care. You owe them at the very least-a silent prayer for their safety.
God bless the veterans and their families!
To my fellow veterans,
Happy Veterans Day.
11/10/2006 09:18:38 AM
AMEN!!!!! [My entry]
To:
11/14/2006 09:28:06 AM
I really don't believe you're the police.
SCC please remove this idiot's post.
Ok Pam Suckman,
Last year a district called in a double homicide. Two individuals were killed in a car crash. The ER DR. told the beat coppers that the driver had a GSW to his chest. Det asked DR how she knew it was a GSW? She just said it was and that they don't do x-rays on dead people. Dets made it an accidental car crash because no other evidence supported the fact that they were shot at. Det went to ME's office the next day and ME said it was a double homicide because the driver had a GSW to his chest. Det asked for a 2nd opinion. Another ME came over and placed a stick in his wound and it went in an inch. It turned out to be a puncture wound from the headrest caused by the car crash. So 2 DRs with at least 10 yrs of medical school between them were saying that it was a double homicide.
Pam, which DRs become MEs? Yes, the bottom of the barrel. Especially in Cook County, cause they hire anyone.
This isn't CSI Chicago. A bite mark on the tounge and hemorrhages in eyes and neck does not equate to homicide.
Sorry. By the way did you ask ME Donoghue how long it takes for the African June bug to become an adult from it's larvae state?
I'd rather bring my dying child to Keith at White Hen for medical treatment then anyone at the Cook County Medical's Office.
VERY FEW GOOD DETECTIVES LEFT IN THIS CITY. #1, IT TAKES FOREVER FOR THE DETECTIVES TO ARRIVE ON THE SCENE, WHEN THEY DO ARRIVE AND THE STREET COPS ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD WITNESSESS STILL ON THE SCENE, THEY WANT YOU TO TAKE THEM INTO THE AREA. FINE, NO PROBLEM, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE AREA, THE GRUMPY OLD BASTARDS THAT WORK INSIDE OR THE ARROGANT YOUNG SGT. ON MIDNIGHTS (GUESS WHICH AREA) GET ALL PISSED OFF WHEN YOU START BRINGING PEOPLE IN. THEN THE WITNESSES WHO HAVE BEEN SITTING IN THERE FOR 3 HOURS, GET ALL PISSED AND WANT TO LEAVE. I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR NOT WANTING TO CO OPERATE. IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE A DECENT WITNESS GETS TREATED LIKE SHIT AND MOST ARE DISREGARDED CAUSE THE DICKS ARE IN A HURRAY TO GET TO THE TAVERN...
9:28AM
Just read your comment...
"You're welcome...:)"
-009 Dist 3rd Watch
"pick a spot"
Who can forget all of the huffing and puffing Narcotics did when they charged that poor sap with drug induced homicide for selling dope with a fentanyl chaser to some connected guy's kid who overdosed.
So, IF I understand Cline's stand on this issue an Overdose death is either:
A. with no dealer in custody a Death Investigation.
B. with a dealer in custody a Homicide.
Where exactly in HQ is the Koolaid stand located?
P.S. I like grape koolaid, does anyone know if they serve grape?
HEY 11/14/06 12:24:46pm
I like your spirit; but
Who in da fook do ya tink u are? B. Richter SR, Rick Miller, Frank Pape??????????
Back in those days society understood that certain people just needed to disappear. But now the shit out of control media would push the investigation until u are caught/charged.
U'd have been much happier 35 years ago!
7:45...
When you become a dick you will realize that what you wrote about is pretty much off target. I talked like you before I made dick too. Technically, patrol officers are suppose to complete things like arrest reports, case reports, & have all victims and witnesses located before you call the area. (Not always done. Except when there is a scene and dicks need to come out right away.
But remember, our division is under manpower. Less detectives handling more work. How many times can I recall when I'm out in the far suburbs showing a photo array and get called to handle an agg batt in 002 during rush hour traffic and Dan Ryan construction only to finally get there and nothing is done. Or how about the times when we get called out to you and arrive immediately but nothing is done and the victim has been there for hours? When you are a dick you will be able to answer your questions. Until them just make sure you do your seat-belt checks.
Chasen is the department's self appointed homicide expert. Even though he was never a dick and never handled a homicide scene. He wants you to believe he's handled 2000 homicides. It's all bs. When he was a supervisor, he may have put in 2000 td slips.
NorthSide said...
11:28 AM
YES on both counts.
You need look no further than the seven 1982 cyanide-laced Tylenol murders. All but one occurred in the suburbs.
After returning from O'Hare, UAL flight attendant Paula PRINCE bought a bottle of Tylenol at Walgreens, 1601 N. Wells St.
Please check yourself into a retirement home. You ramble on about nothing !!
HEY NORTHSIDE
NEXT TIME TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY THINK
Anonymous said...
9:28AM
Just read your comment...
"You're welcome...:)"
-009 Dist 3rd Watch
11/14/2006 07:51:05 PM
Anonymous said...
"pick a spot"
11/14/2006 07:54:15 PM
LOL, I'M BETTING ON THE MILITARY, I LIKE MY RETURN WELL ROUNDED! TOSS UM LOW THROW UM HIGH!!! ALL BODIES ACCOUNTED FOR.
A police officer who served (serving) in the military is no better, or worse, than his fellow non-served officers. So, all you guys who never served and are defenders of the military serving officers can go to hell! If it is so great than enlist.
i jus wan my stuff...you aint gotta be like dat. he called me all sorts of bitchesss. i pay da rent. nobody, jus my babies daddy.
Seeing is believing.
This job is the best!!!
4:47 pm
Based on the anti-Stroger vote, 016 and 018 should secede from the City of Chicago. At least 018 gets good police service. 016 aka "CopLand" gets the shaft.
All of a sudden, all the malcontent's are Pam Zekman worshippers. Go fuck yourselves you dog asses! Thank You, I feel better now. :-)
Whoever posted the Chief of Staff article, interesting read, but way too long for the comments section. Link it or e-mail us a link so we can work on it.
Anonymous said...
NorthSide said...
11:28 AM
YES on both counts.
You need look no further than the seven 1982 cyanide-laced Tylenol murders. All but one occurred in the suburbs.
After returning from O'Hare, UAL flight attendant Paula PRINCE bought a bottle of Tylenol at Walgreens, 1601 N. Wells St.
Please check yourself into a retirement home. You ramble on about nothing !!
11/14/2006 09:01:35 PM
Speaking of a headache.
Better double check for the inventory of that big dusty bag of Tylenol evidence. Who knows, maybe Ex C.O. Toby B. tossed it to hide the evidence of the massive number of U.S. Postal Mail Crates the unit keeps and hides. (Theft of Fed Prop.) Bins which Toby regularly used for all CPD inventory. Ironic when U.S. Post Office was looking for them IAD personnel happened to observe these bins on a continual basis, even to this day. A massive number of never turned in Fed U.S. Postal bins in IAD eye sight and not a peep of the theft or honesty of returning them. Shame on you IAD even after hearing, hey their over here! All still being marked, coded and computer entered and used for, LOL, CPD inventory. Cheap City, refused to buy their own crates for evidence and CPD stole the FED's. Whatta town of over sight and cheap petty thieves in high command!
RESPONSE TO THE ANTI- AMERICAN MILITARY PROTESTER.
YOU SIR, ARE A JAGOFF OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
I WANT YOU TO KEEP TALKING THAT SHIT IN PUBLIC, IN THE HOPES THAT I ENCOUNTER YOU SOME DAY.
AND THEN AN ASS KICKING WILL BEGIN.
There should be no heads that roll because it is mostly bullshit. If the idiot media (I won't even name her) was smart, shoe would look into oth index crimes. Homicides are not the ones we hide. The story is bullshit just like very police shooting story the fucking media shows. They pick the 2nd grade graduation picture from the 11 year old and show him in a ap an gown to be the honor student. You and I know that we have arrested this little bastard for the last 4 years for real felonies. Then they lay blame with the police for framing the poor black kid. Enogh is enough. I didn't see the whit efamily protesting the death findings. I guess it's a democrat thing. Donocunt is a piece of liberal shit. He finds a homicide when the police are chasing somebody and the offender dies in a crash. The cocksucker (illegedly) testifies at the civil suit against the police as an expert witness. I have no proof of the testemony or the actual depositions in which he testified, but have others involved insuits that have told me so. Either way, as a detective, I can tell you that it is nearly imposable to change a homicide to a death investigaton. I have never tried the other way. I do have friends who have had a death that looked like a death who have gotten the M.E. report and it changed to a 0110. It doesn't happen often, but it does get changed based on evidence (any other than conjecture that can not be agreed upon by the fucking M.E.'s Office) to a homicide from a death investigation. I can tell you that we classify things to a death on the scene unless there is evidence (convincing----like G/S/W/s or stab wounds, etc.) to a death investigation so we don't have to change it. I can also tell you that the supervisors will make you contact the ME to find out the cause of death by the next day or to go to any autopsies to view it when there is a something to suggest it, but no evidence. I fault the City for a lot of shit and they do cover crime stats through terms that can't be put on papaer, but theycan not cover a homicide. Not that I know of.
Off topic, but still kind of on... If Supt. Cline leared so much in New York, why do Detectives still have to follow up on any open criminal case? New York leaves it to the victim to contact the Detective Division for follow up investigation. Here, the detective must follow up on any bullshit criminal (allegedly) case that is commited in the area. You all know the bullshit, "I was walking down the street and he asked me for a cigarete and then he hit me and took my $10.oo" crack robbery. Detectives actually have to get in touch with the victim (or try) and get any info they can provide. Same is true for every criminal case where all of the offenders are not incustody. That includes the store that saw the male flee with unknown amout of merchandise.... It is a waist of tiem and effort. Let the victims contact the D- Unit or obtain a summons/warrant like they are supposed to. Leave these to the "administrative/other/ or the old 'general assignment' Detectives. Leave everybody else to work on the real crimes. No handouts that aren't murders. The rest must be called in. (This does not include call outs (real agg batts, Crim Sex Ass/abuse/store robberies, etc...)
ATTENTION!!!
ATTENTION!!!
ATTENTION!!!
A FUND RAISER IS TO BE HELD THIS FRIDAY NOVEMBER 17TH FOR
P.O. NICK CORTESI
@ 5540 S. NARRRAGANSET
7PM
REASON: NICK TOOK 45 DAYS AFTER HIS PARTNER WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN SEEN ON VIDEO SLAPPING A RETAIL THEFT OFFENDER.
NICKS'S CRIME: FAILURE TO REPORT THE INCIDENT
45DAY SUSPENSION FOR B.S.
PLEASE COME OUT AND SUPPORT NICK.
NICK IS A GOOD GUY. DEDICATED FAMILY MAN, FATHER OF FOUR. HIS WIFE IS A STAY AT HOME MOM. THIS 45 DAY HIT IS GONNA HURT HIM.
PLEASE COME OUT FOR HIM
HIS PARTNER WAS FIRED, HER BENIFIT WAS A SUCCESS. LETS MAKE THIS WAS EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL
When you become a dick you will realize that what you wrote about is pretty much off target. I talked like you before I made dick too. Technically, patrol officers are suppose to complete things like arrest reports, case reports, & have all victims and witnesses located before you call the area. (Not always done. Except when there is a scene and dicks need to come out right away.
But remember, our division is under manpower. Less detectives handling more work. How many times can I recall when I'm out in the far suburbs showing a photo array and get called to handle an agg batt in 002 during rush hour traffic and Dan Ryan construction only to finally get there and nothing is done. Or how about the times when we get called out to you and arrive immediately but nothing is done and the victim has been there for hours? When you are a dick you will be able to answer your questions. Until them just make sure you do your seat-belt checks.
LOL please, who do you think you are kidding? what, once a month you are out somewhere doing a photo laydown? most of the time when called you are in the office killing G jobs on the phone, on the internet or playing solitaire or maybe finishing off that two hour lunch downtown. I was in the "D" before making Sgt. and 9 times out of 10 you are on bullshit so save it for someone that doesn't know any better. Yes, the officers need to have their paper done but when they call and say they have witnesses and an offender and victim try to get there in less that 2 hrs. the solve no crime before overtime doesn't mean shit when the victim and witnesses walk out the door.....
All of a sudden, all the malcontent's are Pam Zekman worshippers. Go fuck yourselves you dog asses! Thank You, I feel better now. :-)
11/14/2006 10:44:19 PM
Thank you for saving me the words ..I feel better too..
No, I'm not in the military...
11/14/2006 09:28:06 AM
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A police officer who served (serving) in the military is no better, or worse, than his fellow non-served officers. So, all you guys who never served and are defenders of the military serving officers can go to hell! If it is so great than enlist.
11/14/2006 09:35:19 PM
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You've GOT to be one and the same coward. There can't be two guys on this job with that much of deficiency of testosterone. We all know that you don't have the balls to have been in the military. Why don't you cowards ever have the balls to say something like this to a vet's face? Like I said, no balls. Coward.
As for Chasen being an arrogant prick...yup, I'll buy that.
As far as this bitch Zekman having anything worthy of being reported...not a chance in hell. There's no way that the D unit could "hide" that many homicides. And, as for the strangled whores? Am I the only one that remembers the task force that worked on all of those whore murders that occurred in A/1 (mostly in 007) back in the late 90's and early '00's? NONE of them were "covered up".
i totally agree with the poster about the CRABBY, WHINEY, BABY, dick's that are out there. you are so right my friend. you know detective's out there, we are trying to to a job as well. and when we do have everything together when you do come, try not to be a complete and total jag to us. the guys out there, with the attitudes (and believe me you know who you are, cuz you've been like that your ENTRIRE career) dont even come out. take the night off. we dont want to put a case together and then have you come out and give us a fucking hard time. all on the same team right? i call bullshit. a/5 needs more dicks, this way the good one's that are there (the younger one's) who want to work dont get burnt out. we need them. thanks to all the younger det's who really give a shit. we appreciate it. for all the older one's, retire please. some of us still want to work. that is all.
AMEN, BROTHER! VERY FEW GOOD DET'S LEFT. FYI, IF YOUR GONNA COME WITH A "YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, KID" ATTITUTE, PLEASE DON'T RUIN OUR NIGHT. JUST SEND SOMEONE OUT WHO REALLY DOES WANT TO DO THE JOB. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU SAY THIS, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OVER 55 YEARS OLD, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT OF COURSE, JUST DON'T TAKE YOUR BITTERNESS OF THE JOB OUT ON US. THAT IS ALL.
Heroin overdoses rae just that, overdoses. They are not being forcibly injected with herion laced with fentynol. The buyers know what's in it. Not a crim e other than maybe civil liability. That's a stretch....
RESPONSE:
IF U FIND THE GUY WHO SOLD THE DOPER THE STUFF U CHARGE HIM W/ DRUG INDUCED HOMICIDE ... SO WHEN A DOPER OD"S IT"S A CRIME ... STRETCH OR NOT ITS ON THE BOOKS
The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another. The classification of this offense is based solely on police investigation as opposed to the determination of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or other judicial body. The UCR Program does not include the following situations in this offense classification: deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident; justifiable homicides; and attempts to murder or assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated assaults.
11/14/2006 09:03:52 AM
RESPONSE:
WHat if you find a dead guy w/ no visible injuries? M.E. finds internal trauma not consistent w/ an accident, say ruptured spleen, ruptured kidney. So the M.E.'s findings DO become ABSOLUTELY necessary in determining whehter a crime occured. So the classification as homicide may be made by the police, but the M.E.'s findings are CRUCIAL. Conversely if the body was found at the bottom of a stairway it could be ACCIDENTAL. But if the body is found inside a running automobile then it may be HOMICIDE.
My poiny is that ALL the information is relevant, the M.E.
info and the info of the police investigation in the determination of whether it was NON-CRIMINAL (accidental injury) or criminal (Homicide and possibly murder).
We do not operate in a vaccum and neither does the M.E.
But if you find (5) dead prostitutes in vacant lots and the larynx is crushed then HOMICIDE is probably a good call.
I for one am curious about the dead whore stuff they mentioned on T.V.
i stand corrected. maybe not drug induced homicides, BUT
I I knowingly sell tainted drugs that cause the death of another wit reckless disregard.. is that an angle ??
New detectives already sent to the areas??? fer reel ?
I think its all funny. It will all come tumbling down. And I will laugh even harder when it does.
Slow down on the Chasen Bashing. Deputy Chief of Detectives Michael Chasen is not some Johnny come lately in the Detective Division. He has some fifteen plus years in the division and is very knowledgeable in homicide investigations. He is all business and does not let anything get by. Some take issue with his scrutiny of reports and investigations. He is usually right. It is better that he calls you out on some error that may embarrass you later on in court than it surfacing during cross examination. I have seen him operate for over 20 years. He is probably one of the better deputy chiefs in the division. If he was given the task of responding to Zekman’s story it is because he is most knowledgeable about the protocol of homicide investigations. Chasen would make an excellent Chief of Detectives one day. We can all benefit from his advice.
To all you Army/Marine Corps wannabes. I wrote it before and I'll write it again. if the military is so great then go enlist. I'm tired of listening to your crap and the double-dipping officers who collect this check and the military check.
I'd rather bring my dying child to Keith at White Hen for medical treatment then anyone at the Cook County Medical's Office.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Keith is only authorized to operate on monkeys, and I don't think Lincoln Park Zoo would authorize Keith to operate outside of his professional scope, so your child unfortunately would be without hope!
YIKES: A burglary at Pam Zekman's house! They got her makeup trowel.
this is not new stuff,i was a p.p.o. in the summer of 1982 working 3rd watch in the greens, we got a job of a man beating in the row houses 500 w chestnut, we found a guy with his head beat in and his eye was knocked out..he was still alive and was sent to northwestern e.r.. i make my agg battery report because he was still alive when i got the r.d. #..well he died that night and several months later i see a report on the news (killing crime).well my guy was on there,the dicks reclassfied it as a hit and run accident...well we all knew better than that,,but as i have stated..this is nothing new..
to :
11/14/2006 09:28:06 AM
I must of missed the class of the special treatment when I got back I was put on the same watch in the same district as I was when I left. not only that, all these special units that were formed while i was away were already filled so I didn't get to any of them( not that I wanted to but some of the younger guys might have)so if you'll explain to me what special treatment I missed out on so i can get it, oh and i missed getting the crime reduction ribbon that you got( as if your lazy ass had anything to do with it)SO WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR POLITCAL C**KS***ING ASS ELSWHERE AND LEAVE US THE F** ALONE SINCE I KNOW AND SO DO YOU YOU COULDN'T PICK OF THE SLACK OF A MONKEE FLINGING SH** AT THE ZOO!!
Hey 09:28:06
You-anti-American-CANNOT-actually- be-CPD-useless-PRICK!
I have met a lot of jerks on this job, but none of them can compare to you.
You make me sick.
God Bless Troops!
America.
Home of the Free
Because of the Brave
To all you Army/Marine Corps wannabes. I wrote it before and I'll write it again. if the military is so great then go enlist. I'm tired of listening to your crap and the double-dipping officers who collect this check and the military check.
You ignorant slut. They don't collect both checks. They have to go into a LOA status and get nothing. There was a bill before the City Council to at least get their benefits extended to their families, but they don't get both checks. You are an ignoramus of the highest order
I am a dick. The fact is, no one is over worked in the "D". When I hear and see so many dicks dissing patrol officers I getted pissed.
They are the one' over worked and fucked with everyday. They should be getting the d2a pay not us !!!!!!!
When you become a dick you will realize that what you wrote about is pretty much off target. I talked like you before I made dick too...When you are a dick you will be able to answer your questions. Until them just make sure you do your seat-belt checks.
PLEASE, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH. SINCE YOU SAY YOUR IN SUCH A HURRY TO GET BACK TO 002, I'LL ASSUME YOUR IN A/1. TRY SELLING THAT B.S. TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW BETTER. LESS DETECTIVES WITH MORE WORK, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD. YOU MAYBE HURRYING BACK FROM THE SUBURBS, BUT YOUR PROBABLY HEADING BACK FROM LUNCH AT THE OAKLAWN HOOTERS. AND THE DIG YOU TRY AND GIVE AT THE END OF YOUR SILLY COMMENTS, (GO DO YOUR SEATBELT CHECKS) SHOWS THE STUPID MENTALITY OF MANY (NOT ALL) THE DETECTIVES. THE ATTITUDE OF IT US V. YOU, NO SHARING OF INFO. I LOOK AT OTHER DEPARTMENT'S DETECTIVES, GOOD ONES WHO WHEN THERE'S A HOMICIDE, ESPECIALLY GANG RELATED, THEY ARE HITTING THE STREETS, GETTING INFO FROM THE PLAYERS AND TRYING TO SOLVE THE CRIME A.S.A.P. THEY REACH OUT TO GANG/TACT TEAMS, GUYS WHO HAVE THEIR EAR TO THE STREET AND KNOW THE PLAYERS. AS A DETECTIVE, YOU SHOULD SPEND SOME TIME LEARNING THE GANGS, KNOWING WHO THE GANG LEADERS ARE AND WHAT THE CONFLICTS ARE. NOT STANDING THERE WITH THAT STUPID CLIPBOARD IN YOUR HAND LOOKING BUSY. VERY FEW DETECTIVES ARE UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STREET, AND YOU MAY SAY THAT'S NO LONGER YOUR JOB, BUT A GOOD DETECTIVE STILL IS PLUGGED INTO THE STRET, NOT PLAYING SOME VIDEO GAME ON HIS COMPUTER WHEN HE HAS SOME "DOWN TIME." WITH ALL THAT WORK YOU SEEM TO BE DOING, I ASSUME YOURE WORKING ALL THROUGH YOUR TOUR? AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT BITTER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T MADE DICK, I PASSED THAT PROMOTIONAL RUNG A LONG WHILE BACK, SO THAT WOULD BE A STEP BACKWARDS FOR ME!! GOOD LUCK, AND SHARE SOME INFO DURING YOUR "BUSY SCHEDULE."
9:28AM and 10:05AM
Man, it seems like July again? Once again, I have to respond with a little common sense for some extremely ignorant people on the job. Here we go...
We "volunteers" are the sole reason why there is no need for a draft. As long as there are brave men and women willing to place themselves in harm's way for their Country, YOU cowardly CPD officers who annoymously criticize us, will be able to hide from combat.
Now I don't know YOU, but I am quite sure you resent the military because you either couldn't enlist due to medical or mental problems or you just simply were afraid to answer the call to duty? Perhaps you enjoyed being intoxicated and slovenly all too often...Whatever your excuse is? LISTEN UP!
I see your type all the time. Amazingly, it is normally when there is a ceremony or dedication for American veterans. You cockroaches seem to explode out of your unfriendly confines and attack us without delay. Hmmm...Much like our Iraqi insurgents and Taliban sympathizers...Where was this ferocity when 9-11 happened? Why weren't you biting at the bit to display courage and patriotism? Do you even own an American flag?
The military's paramount goal is to preserve the ideals and freedoms that you ironically take for granted. All branches of service are commendable and deserving of respect. Yeah, we have our rivalries, but we have each other's backs in a crisis. Unit cohesion is imperative. As the wars continue overseas, the public outcry for "Freedom" diminishes. The media portrays what it feels is important to the public. It is biased against the military. As a police officer, you should know full well that the media is not friendly.
Where are the stories about the troops being shown appreciation for their resilience against their formidable enemy? Where's the story about laughter and sheer joy of the poor, destitute human beings as they are encouraged by US troops humanitarian efforts? Not newsworthy enough I guess? Did you take the time to enjoy your freedom to vote in the past election? I guarantee you that there are people overseas who do not take that little privilege lightly and are dying for it.
No, the plight of the troops is always shown in negative light. You are wrong to attack your fellow CPD officers for serving. You are highly mistaken about them "playing in the sandbox." These proud men and women are doing missions daily and nightly that continually force them to face death. There are no "front lines" in the Global War on Terrorism. All troops there have to encounter the grim reality that they may not live to see the next day. They receive reassurance from their loved ones and friends that things back home are ok. Sometimes though, things are truly devasting back home and their families do everything in their power to shield the negativity. Bad news to troops overseas is detrimental to their psyche. If a troop becomes too complacent they will die. If a troop becomes overly obsessed with issues at home they will fail their mission and their comrades. It's all about team work and being a team player in the military.
The sacrifice that these men and women endure is unlike anything else. The emotional pain their families endure is phenomenal.
Much like CPD, there are moments of sheer boredom and at a split second sheer horror. Nobody ever said combat would be easy. We accept this and motivate ourselves to accomplish the mission despite the odds or sour influence.
As military officers, we remember that it's mission first and people always. The backbone of the miltary is and always will be the enlisted NCOes. That is why we are in the military. We want the discipline and structure. We desire to fight all enemies-foreign and domestic. I, for one, chose to enlist and later on commission as an officer.
If you believe that veterans do not deserve a little show of appreciation after all they have given for their Country, then you really are delusional.
You mentioned how you agree with the bloggers like "Cold-Type B Personality", "Malcom X-Spot in His Lil Brother's Drawers" and "Lefty Boy" and how YOU would love to tell off veterans to their faces?
I proudly work in the 009th District on Afternoons. Ask for "Purple Shades"...Let's see your guts, because Lord knows you have no spine...Maybe you should "crack a few beers" before you encounter me, so you'll at minimal-have "whiskey" courage...You'll NEED it!!!
p.s We, CPD veterans, did not receive a "plaque" yesterday as was mentioned in 9:28am's blog. We received a certificate. The entire experience was moving and unique. They even honored us with a marching band playing each one of our service fight songs.
Cmdr Roy of 009, you missed one hell of a ceremony Sir...
Good luck in 016 CPT Matula. Thank you for your service in 009.......
Afterwards, myself and a fellow combat veteran went out to lunch to recollect about our wartime experience in Afghanistan and our fallen...That's what veterans do.
9:28am and 10:05am, you WILL NEVER understand.
"Anonymous said...
I am a dick. The fact is, no one is over worked in the "D". When I hear and see so many dicks dissing patrol officers I getted pissed.
They are the one' over worked and fucked with everyday. They should be getting the d2a pay not us !!!!!!!
11/16/2006 03:28:42 AM"
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Yah, you are right no one should be dissing P.O.'s.
I am sure you are HGS however. You have to be because you obviously have never worked in RBT or SVU.
I have nothing but respect for PO's but your one Case every few weeks makes for the feeling of not being overworked.
You can only speak for yourself.
Maybe you are on the Agg. Batt Mission Team.
Either way, you aren't being burried in handouts, otherwise you wouldn't speak such dribble.
9:22 AM
Chasen was never a detective. He came to 640 as a sgt.
"America got attacked on 9-11 because we acted like we are so much better and powerful."
This is your real reason for posting...this tiny sentence.....you believe this?....your further isues with the returning military are just incidental to this........9-11 showed America how vunerable she really is ....what if it had been 40 planes??...hitting 40 targets.....you have it wrong...America wasn't attacked because we act like we are so much better and powerful....America was attacked because our freedoms allowed the Muslim fanatics..who by the way believe that they are better,absolutely right,and all powerful...to move freely in this...our country...allowed these delusional people the opportunity to cripple and destroy....America....Is that what you want?? You should keep in mind....
you can write your opinion because of the American dead....who since the inception of our country have died shaping our culture and our way of life....
I really doubt that you are a cop.....
but if you are and you take issue with the "powers that Be" decisions.....you'd better get out now because you are in for a bumpy ride....and kid you ain't seen nothing yet..........
11:14
P-Shades you ROCK brother!!! May God bless you and your loved ones this Thanksgiving.
-009 3rd Watch
Once again Purple, you said what needed to be said. You ought to be a politician.
-Semper Fi in 011
If these clowns decide to confront purple shades, then I'm taking time due. He is world war III just waiting to happen! Seriously...
Too bad Coldtype and X's Little Brother can't serve overseas? Then they'd know what it means to sacrafice. Shades, you're alriiiight in my book...Even if you are an officer. Haha
-veteran in 014
Purple, I'll say this much for you-you bleed red, white and blue kid! Thanks for serving and sticking up for your fellow veterans. Damn proud to know you exist.
-Iraq vet
9:28
You really ought to watch what you write on these blogs. About the po in 009... He is for real and he does not take kindly to unpatriotic coppers. Just a tip...
TREAD THOSE WATERS LIGHTLY!!!!!!
-009 Days
11:14am Purple Shades, (I'm glad you don't wear them anymore)
Thank you for serving our country and for being who you are. I hope to one day ride with you. You may not realize how much you are respected by your friends in 009, but believe me we are glad you are always there backing us up. Even the guys who joke about you are relieved when you assist them. You just seem to shut down problems. I am glad you stand up for what is right and that you tell people the way it is. No matter who they are or what rank they have on their shirt:)
Many of us look up to you and you should know this. Thank you being a veteran.
-po 009th Dist
When I first arrived in 009 out of the academy I had an FTO on 2nd Watch who liked to inform recruits about po's to stay clear of. One was "purple shades" on Midnights then. I was told he was a loose cannon. Well Purple, that FTO was a total dork! He's gone, but you're still kicking ass in 009. You were the ONLY po on Mids who treated me like a fellow officer. You backed me up when others drove past. You never talked down to me as a "rookie" or acted superior to me. You earned my respect from then on. Then in 2004 you were sent to Afganistan. Wow!
To this day, I tell new guys in the district that they should be like you. You Da Man! 1st Watch could really use you right now.
-009 Mids
Purple Shades,
You are a good guy and I am glad you are on my side. Don't ever change the way you work. Thanks for serving too.
1:57
Purple Shades is not a loose cannon, but he sure as shit will knock the crap out of a gang banger if they try a copper. Definitely the guy you want to see when you are in trouble too.
-009 3rd Watch
11:14 Hey Man! I love what you said to those anti-American parasites! You hit the nail on the head too. I too served overseas and I could tell you were speaking from experience. God bless you for making it home. I'd back you up anytime Purple. Keep keepin' it real.
-007 Army vet
Purple One,
The comments made against the veterans were troublesome to say the least. You correctly pointed out that the reason why people join the service is for the discipline and structure. Been a Marine for awhile now and CANNOT imagine life without the strict order. Rifleman in and out. My boots strike the pavement to attack all enemies...Especially domestic enemies...Sounds like 928 and 1005 need an ass kicking.
Got your back if ya need it.
Anybody on 3rd's in 009 know if Purple been confronted yet? OOH RAH!!!!!
SEMPER FIDELIS in 013
USMC veteran "Ready to Strike"
9:35
You are sadly mistaken. PO's that have served in combat are indeed better at handling pressure. We have the instinct that you college pukes wish you could obtain merely by reading.
Sorry Charlie, you can't pick this type of knowledge by skimming thru books. The truth is we are better at performing our duty and you just have to accept this fact.
Class dismissed!
-Englewood Ranger
10:05 WTF???
What special treatment have we vets gotten since we got back? Shit! Why shouldn't we be able to double dip in pay? Go enlist you prick! See how the other half lives, then maybe you'll change your mind about service people.
USMC in 014
EITHER YOU'VE SERVED IN IRAQ OR YOU HAVEN'T. THERE ARE ONLY TWO KINDS OF HEROS:
1. WENT TO IRAQ
2.GOING TO IRAQ
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!
9:28 CAN SUCK MY LEFT NUT!!!!!
-015 COPPER "ARMY ALL THE WAY"
I am not 10:05. But I will say I concur and will say again "YOU VETERANS ARE NOT SPECIAL AND YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT DESERVE DOUBLE PAY."
You all are quick to respond with anger and violence. Is that because you know you don't deserve anything?
I will not subject myself to a battery (yes, look up the definition), so to the po in 009 "GO FUCK YOURSELF! Obviously, I cannot talk to you face to face, because you are set on attacking anyone who disagrees with veterans. So, I will resort to this blog. I know your type too. YOU SIR ARE A LOOSE CANNON! By what I've read about you, I can tell you're too irrational to discuss matters of war intelligently.
Just know your war was wrong and you were deceived by your President.
When are our elected officials going to relaize we no cannot "police"-no pun intended- the world? Mr. Shades in 009 you are brain-washed!
If you actually believe the bs you are sputtering, then you are a brainless clod. I'm a veteran and I could care less what you people think in CPD! I served in Iraq and I know I had it tougher than you! Afghanistan is a waste of time, personal and equipment. Iraq is total SNAFU. You should have served in a "real" war.
Taliban sympathizers? Dude, the real enemy is Iraqi and Iranian insurgents. The US should not send shit to Afghanistan! We need to eradicate our Iraqi insurgents and to hell with Afghanistan!!! We don't hear nothing 'bout that place anyhow?
You and others like you are brain-washed pussies. You need to experience REAL COMBAT...Like I did.
"Bad to da bone" in 010
Thanks purple.
9:28
Who the fuck are you to be dissing your veterans? You think you all that and a popsicle stick huh? Give to the world all your crap huh? This veteran will tear yo stank ass from one side of the globe to da other! Dontcha know?
Englewood ranger
Purple Shades:
A family member of mine was reading the blog and saw your response. I was asked "Do you know this guy?" Now I have to respond. MT, you are a class act brother. Even with the difficulties you've had in 009, you are still loyal as ever to your fellow officers, veterans and administration. That speaks volumes. Officers come and go and rarely if ever make a mark, but that's not your case. Nobody will ever be able to deny your dedication to the 009th District. Everyone knows who you are-every Watch has heard about you-whether from letters you wrote while deployed or just your actions in general. Here's to serving with you many, many more years in 009.
Never give up! Never back down!
-009
9:28
Are you fucking nuts asshat? What kind of anti-military crap are you sending anyway? This is the Holiday season and I am fully intending on giving you a real nice ass kicking!!!!
Where do you lefty SOB's come from anyway? i hope I can catch you talking shit about the war, so I can beat your coward ass!
Purple Shades' response was way too diplomatic for your communist ass! He's an officer...I'm a former Gunny. I'm not a pussy! I'm a Marine and I will REDCON your ass back to whatever communist land you're from! -014 USMC
I salute you purple shades. Thanks for educating the young minds on what being deployed really entails.
Glad your safe too brother.
-Proud in 004
Purple,
You're wasting your time trying to convince po's that the War on Terror was a noble cause. reading these blogs have made me realize just how scornful coppers are of guys serving their country.
Freedom is just another common place word. The majority of Americans could care less. Look at how the USMC guy from 014, who you were defending, called you derogatory names. Give it a rest now.
Those of us who served know what you saying and we agree whole-heartedly. However, we are the minority when it comes to CPD. Veterans do not mean a thing to the exempt ranks. Just like the military-we are just a number.
Thanks for trying...
-004 copper
Officer in 009,
First off--Drop the "shades" nickname, because you honestly don't want to go through your years in CPD called that! Second--
Liked what you said about the service. I never served myself, but now I can see why my relatives chose to enlist. I guess some enjoy the discipline more than others. I always looked up to the people in uniform like my dad, because you all were different. He was a Marine. Last-- I hope you continue to serve your fellow officers, because I can see they like you around.
Refreshing to see such loyalty in coppers. If only all districts felt the same way about their own?
-019 copper
Purple Shades,
I noticed you have really changed your appearance? Haha...No sign of "military guy" now. Used to hear people say "Who's the guy with the high & tight cut and the purple sunglasses?"... Heard you have resigned out of the Army? Finally. Good choice. You've served your time in hell. At least I think Afghanistan could be likened to a hellish place? Personally, I would have gone for my 20 years being so close, but you gotta do what you gotta do?! I am damn proud to know you "T". Thank you for always backing up po's on calls and for making the streets safer for the next copper coming on duty. Believe me, it's noticed. I guess the years working 1st Watch made you more concerned for the next guy more than most? Or just that you continually march to a different drummer? No doubt you are a rare breed. But, seriously bro thanks for serving.
-009 copper
Hey Purple!
Nicely worded my friend! You capture the heart and soul of what it means to be a veteran. I especially enjoyed the part where you told the extreme left groups that they WILL NEVER understand!
You are so right on that one. They will never have to understand what that means either, as long as brave men and women continue to serve our military.
May God bless you and your family this Thanksgiving. Just know this copper has your back. Always welcome in 011.
FILLMO RANGER
ARMY VETERAN
11:14am
As a supervisor, I am grateful to see the commitment you have displayed to your city and country. Said powerful things in that response. Please keep in mind that you have influence on younger police officers. You may not believe your opinion matters, but judging by the favorable responses-you do.
Teach the correct things out there to these recruits. Allow them to grow and experience the way you were allowed.
I am grateful that you have provided myself and my family with freedom. It's a beautiful thing. Please stay safe and continue to lead by an example. Please don't preach words of negativeness. That shouldn't be too hard for a military officer?
Positive approaching and continuing to strive for your goals...One day maybe you will be eligible for a promotion in this fine dept.
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