More with Less ... Again
Is there truly a move afoot to reduce manpower on the Department? Firstly, you have this article in the Sun Times:
- An influential alderman on Monday dropped his quest to force Mayor Daley to hire 100 more Chicago Police officers after being assured that the police vacancy rate has been reduced.
"I'm not backing off. My objective was to get a hundred police officers hired. This has us with [more than] 200 hired," said Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th).
We don't know where the mayor or Allen get their numbers - but they are bullshit numbers. Can someone define these vacancies? We understand Allen's goal was to fully staff a Traffic Unit to enforce long neglected traffic law in the wake of the individual who got killed near the lakefront over the summer. But robbing Peter (the Districts) to pay Paul (the Traffic Unit) does nothing to solve "vacancies." It just kicks the can down the road. Will someone besides us start screaming about the fact that in almost half the Districts across the city, midnights is down almost 30% of it's cars every single night. It's unsafe.
And how about this article:
And how about this article:
- Surveillance cameras on high-crime Chicago street corners may soon be equipped with new software that makes it easier to catch bad guys who drive or park nearby -- by scanning the license plates of up to 3,600 parked or moving vehicles an hour.
The Chicago Police Department is exploring the idea of installing Big Brother software on 300 "blue light" cameras -- along with the possibility of adding the plate-reading function to video cameras now installed in 30 squad cars to record traffic stops.
So who needs cops anymore? If everything is going to be run by Traffic Aides and remote cameras, can a real manpower reduction be far down the road? After all, it's been 30 or 40 years since they redrew the Districts and Beats. Anyone hear any whispers?
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
47 Comments:
Good luck reading plates with those cameras. First off nobody watches them. All it does is run in the background on some computer at the front desk. The only time somebody watches it is when somebody who doesn't usually work the desk sees it and says, "oh, this is cool" and proceeds to fuck around with it trying to control it with the silly ass controls it has. This last for a few minutes before they realize that the picture sucks and that the screen is constantly pixelated to the point you can't even see what the hell is going on. Now they want to add big brother software? Yeah ok, what a waste of money those cameras are.
600 police retire a year?
Shit - I retired a long time ago and I'm still on the job.
Does anyone have the actual #'s on the job? maybe someone from personnel can give us how many we really have? I am talking about drawing paychecks. So this includes the medical role abusers etc. I hear diffrent #'s all the time based on duty avail checks, range quals etc come on there has to be a mole somewhere who has actual #'s. Just becuase we are way short on the street doesn't mean the polce aren't here just means Phil has moved more of them out of police work into social services or desk dollies.
that plate reader technology, as applied by cpd, just dosen't work all that well and leaves me wondering what boss was dazzled by bullshit and whose relative profited.
With all of this fantastic technology maybe we could work the schedule of our heroes-the firemen. We could have someone respond when the camera picks up some crime, but with noone watching the cameras we'll get some good rest.
OFF TOPIC: Why do firemen all get thirteen paid vacation days which would be 39 days for CPD (13*3=39) when the max we get is 35. 25V 6BFD 4P ?
Tom Allen backed off after the traffic unit was stationed on Forest Preserve Dr. That just so happens to be in his ward. Was a deal struck with Cline?
We commented on this article yesterday and Ald Allen is just falling into line. He requested 100 new hires. The filling of existing vacant positions due to attrition is a seperate issue.
Shame on the people of Chicago for putting up with this kind of machine politics.
just look at the number of officers the media was told were working on the G/D's mortgage scam, was it my bad hearing or did i hear 75 officers were working on it? c'mon!! a team of monkeys working around the clock couldve brought these guys down. what they were doing was so obvious i'm amazed it took this long to take em down. BS, BS,BS!! the number of officers working 1st and 3rd watch throughout the city is way,way,way down and yet they keep detailing officers into specialized units every period, it used to be that you had to give a body to get one, now they just move in anyone they want regardless of how it will strip the patrol division.
An open post to PO WALTER in the 019 District, 1st Watch: You gave my son, a Marine on leave from a war zone, a horseshit ticket in the late evening while he was driving my car, with FOP medallion and IPA sticker.
The kid was polite as Marines are and as I taught him to be on interactions with law enforcement.
You treated him like shit when he told you that he was a PO's son. You treated him worse when he said he had to return to Iraq and couldn't go to court, you just told him to pay the fine.
I will call in a favor from one of the hallway lawyers at Traffic Court to take care of this.
I can't wait to see you in your Trans-Am tear-assing around my district, you better be going at the speed limit or under or I will stick it up your ass.
You better have everything up to snuff. You'd better signal turns and lane changes, enter intersections only on a green light or any one of a hundred seldom enforced statutes and ordinances I can think of.
I know the traffic code better than you do, I am going to get you MOTHERFUCKER!!
Shakespeare said: "REVENGE IS BEST SERVED COLD!!" I'll be patient and wait until I get my opportunity. I hope you are a drunk like your brother, a 501 will be so sweet to hang on you.
No wonder you have to work alone, nobody even wants to even be seen with you, you RATFUCK.
Go to traffic with RA, you are two birds of a feather.
This just in....new software will be added to the cameras which will allow for the following: when the camera detects an illegal act, a light will illuminate and a horn will sound. The wrongdoer will then be required to walk over to the camera pole and press a button on a vending-type machine. If the offense would justify an arrest, the machine will dispense a blank "self-arrest" report. The offender will complete the report and report to the nearest station for processing. If the offense is minor, the machine will produce an anov; the offender will then have an opportunity to pay on the spot (the machine will accept cash, credit, or debit cards)....
police work into social services or desk dollies.
11/15/2006 04:53:34 AM
First of all, I don't work the desk. I hate the desk, spent four hours on the desk once...told my Cpt. I would shoot the next person that walked through the door if I didn't get OFF the desk. So let me be the first to say,
THANK YOU ALL "DESK DOLLIES", YOU DO A JOB THEY DON'T PAY ME ENOUGH TO DO!!!!
We are ALL social workers, you idiot! Or do you not go on these stupid domesticating with baby mama jobs? Where the hell do YOU work?
If you want to find out the exact amount of officers on the job, dont go to the SUPT. Office or Personnel. Go to the PAYROLL Dept.
All you have to do is count the number of payroll checks being cut and that will tell you how many police are on the job. Nobodys working for free.
Solutions for reallocating manpower to fill Patrol Division:
1. disband Detail unit
this unit no longer is profitable and personnel should be reassigned to patrol division immediately. The unit should be made into strictly "special employment type program" and all events that currently require police presence shall pay for it. All major cities do it and the city would actually make a profit. Make it a city ordinance that these events must be covered by Chicago Police and paid for by the event holder, this will insure that some these neighborhood pain in the butt events will not be able to afford it and make even more district manpower available during the summer when this neighborhood shindigs usually take place.
2. disband either/or S.O.S. - T.R.U.
these units do bascially the same thing, the S.W.A.T. or H.B.T. team should be absorbed into the 1st or 18th Districts that way they will be in a central location and available 24-7. The remaining personnel shall be reassigned to the patrol division. Districts then can have fully manned tactical and gang teams that can cover district hot spots.
3. Terminate all area gang amd gun teams, the local district tact/gang teams should be working on those cases and not at fests and details and other such things when they are needed at the district level( with the new "special employment detail unit" those teams shall not be used to cover these events when they are need most (summer time)
4. cut the manpower at 35th St. the auditing and internal control unit should conduct an audit of each unit from the Supes office on down, determine exactly what the function is of each and every officer assigned down there ( that means capt's, lt's sgt's too) and if theyre not needed theyre out, secondly the same will be done at Homan Square, and all district administration as well. This will also include but not be limited to the elimination of Exempt spots, executive officers, directors, that are no longer needed or duplicate other existing jobs already filled. Also including the redistricting and elimination of districts that can be absorbed into other district (ie; 12,13,17,21)
5. i'm sure i've left out a lot of other stuff so fill in the blanks.
... that being said I'm no dreamer and I know that people with clout and politicians would NEVER allow this. But dont try and piss on my head and tell me it's raining when you tell me that we have enough manpower on the streets. YOU'RE LYING! and sad to say one day we're gonna pay for it.
Alderman Allen! He is just a lib daley-sheep. Numbers? all districts are short! Dectectives are short! Where are all the coppers? 35th St.? daley again has cut the police budget! 50 out of 50 alderthieves are all daley sheep who have no courage all cowards who respect the king and are scared to buck him! look at faln luis guiterrez land deals everywhere thanks to clout! jackson and him did not run due to daley telling the cowards not to! if the make-up of the govt changes they will get rid of Patrick Fitzgerald and anyone else that dares to go after them for all they have stole and pilfered!
HOT RUMOR
The dept is planning on emptying out call-back of all light duty officers. They're to go back to their districts and replace ALL inside people.
They don't know why but the inspectors have been visiting the districts and doing a audit of the number of inside spots. This is to see where the dept can put people.
They also may try to disregard the contract and throw out bid officers too.
Until traffic court is moved to a more convenient location for the Police, traffic enforcement will continue to be non-existent.
I would suggest a north and south traffic court. The Police Officer would be able to choose which court he or she would write into. God forbid this city does something to make easier on us.
These new traffic courts would pay for themselves.
That means that there are currently more cabbies in Chicago than police officers. A story just run in the Sun-Times said there were currently 13,000 cabbies working in Chicago. Maybe we should give them badges and let them tour the area...
CPD traffic enforcement? Your kidding me right? The average chicago copper is clueless about traffic. Its not their fault they are just ignorant to it due to lack of education.
Mayor, Sup, exepts, DC's want more tickets? Well then.... heres a few ideas
1)Educate officers on how to enforce traffic law
2)This is a big city geographically speaking so make 3 traffic courts. North-Central-South. Equip said courts with adequate parking for PO's.
3)Force traffic court judges to put some teeth into traffic.
When I was a new driver I avoided places like Bedford Park and a few others cause if the speed limit said 35 it was 35 not 37. Well in chicago you can do just about what ever you want without fear of prosecution by the CPD.
If 812 needs a place to sit and write tickets instead of hitting the bakeries on 63rd St.
I have also noticed a increase of "Revenue" or "Meter Maids" working 63rd St.
When I worked at the building prior to reassignment a friend told me that approx 9600 checks were cut for the Department.
9600 is right on the money! Now do some more math.
Subtract the following from the 9600:
Medical roll.
Call Back.
Detailed out of district.
Assigned to inside spots.
TRU and SOS
Narcotics
Traffic
All assigned to 35th Street.
All Det. Units.
Forensic Services
Detail Unit
Academy
Saturation and Gun Units
Court Services
And any other super secret squirrel units that I may have missed.
Then take the remainder and divide by three. That should give you a rough number of coppers avail to work the streets during each watch.
I hope you are a drunk like your brother, a 501 will be so sweet to hang on you.
His brother is a great guy, leave him out it!
11/15/2006 11:25:13 AM wrote:
An open post to PO WALTER in the 019 District, 1st Watch: You gave my son, a Marine on leave from a war zone, a horseshit ticket in the late evening while he was driving my car, with FOP medallion and IPA sticker.
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I for one would like to hear what PO Walter's fellow oficers in 019 think of him. Based on this, you gotta believe he's a major tool and asswipe.
To the PO and Marine Dad -- hope you get your revenge -- hot or cold. Perhaps now that you've outed this moron, you'll have asistance.
But more importantly, I hope you and your son both stay out of harm's way and he returns home to the respect and honor he deserves.
God Bless America and members of he military like your son.
812 3rd watch does nothing but spend the entire watch guarding 711 at 63rd & Austin. 2 good-for-nothing coppers, as most of them are.
Hey Marine Dad.....my family is saying a special prayer for you and your hero son!!!!! Be safe and enjoy this holiday season. Don't let it get you down. Send that asshat walters 019 a copy of the paid ticket with GGF written on it.
Laugh it off...this goof has to face us now.
Here's my 2 centers.....they are letting the numbers go as low as possible on this department. We are running paper thin. Then this summer at contract time, FOP will agree to all new hires being placed into a 401k plan. Watch and see!
Don't worry our pension is ok. Poor new hires tho...who's gunna want this job then. Chicagotroit here we come.
To 11/15/2006 02:19:22A.M. As one who has posted before about manpower issues on this blog, I agree with almost everything you said regarding ways to increase manpower on the street. I fear that it will take a tragedy or two before the right people begin to care about the shortages in the districts.
CPD traffic enforcement? Your kidding me right? The average chicago copper is clueless about traffic. Its not their fault they are just ignorant to it due to lack of education
What? are you out of your mind? we are not less educated about traffic law then suburban departments, we are too busy! we don't have time to be sitting on stop signs and red lights or stopping people for having the license plate light out, u-turns etc. we are handling multiple jobs and backlogs all day and night, even in districts slow on violent crime the calls for service keep on coming. We don't have the idle time of most suburban coppers, hence less traffic enforcement.
Anonymous said...
600 police retire a year?
Shit - I retired a long time ago and I'm still on the job.
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And it is people like you that fuck it up for everyone else.
Why don't you do your job, earn your check and don't make it so others have to pick up your slack while you lay down on jobs, don't go to jobs, don't write tickets and not do anything except read the paper doing the Sudoko and crossword puzzles.
I am sick of people collecting checks and making others do their work.
TO PO WALTER if this is true, ur a big dog then the ones we lock up, we are all brothers and how dear you write one of our own, yet a military man, i suspect u never served in the military -my son is in the military now, and if I was your Sgt I would ride your dumb ass all day long for that stupid mov-do us a favor and quit,
A working Sgt.
812 3rd watch does nothing but spend the entire watch guarding 711 at 63rd & Austin. 2 good-for-nothing coppers, as most of them are.
11/16/2006 12:35:34 AM
these are smart coppers why work when you get paid for drinking coffee! No Cr's that way!
Traffic enforcement? Give me a break! we barely have enough time just to answer the jobs with huge backlogs! The city craps all over us why give them more revenue so daley can give all of it away to the joyce and degnan families in contracts midway airport is all new look at floors caving in miniority contractor already bankrupt who will pay for repairs?
Anonymous said...
I hope you are a drunk like your brother, a 501 will be so sweet to hang on you.
His brother is a great guy, leave him out it!
11/15/2006 10:37:47 PM
Give me a break- He's not that bad of a guy- but a drunk is a drunk. Are you a drinking buddy of his?
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To: Marine Dad & Copper
From: A Thankful PO
Subject: Your Son
Thank You for raising a young man full of Character and Respect. I thank God and you for instilling the values into your son. I am glad we have men in this country like him.
Please at your earliest convience exact revenge on that goof from 019. I know a 2 PO's from 019 1st watch. Talked to one of them I will not use his words since I have mentioned God in this To/From, but suffice it to say wasnt anything good. Go grab your IVC and really hit him hard.
Signed
Another Old Timer
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Anonymous said...
812 3rd watch does nothing but spend the entire watch guarding 711 at 63rd & Austin. 2 good-for-nothing coppers, as most of them are.
11/16/2006 12:35:34 AM
Ive even talked to them! I interupeted the one scratching lottery tickets, and Thanked him for being out here keeping us safe. (I did it straight faced too)
So doing more with less fits the bill here. 2nd & 3rd watch on 812 is for all intents and purposes unmanned. Leaving us to fend for ourselves?
Walter is a a pussy working in a pussy district (19). I guarantee he wouldn't last one period
in a fast district with his pussy like antics.
It's pretty sad when this blog become a forum to make threats of revenge against a fellow officer over a traffic ticket.
marine dad...please leave mike out of this he is a good cop and person..please contact me in 016th dist i have a friend (lawyer) who is always down at traffic court and i will pay him to defend your son..p.o bone 312-746-4480
Talk about needing more police on the street, how bout taking some of the police out of the 5th floor. Ever walk by the first deputys office and see them all standing around partying at the cubicles? If he was castrated, that means there is not enough work in that office so why are there still 8-10 P.O's still there? Oh I forgot, they can't work the street they wouldnt be able to dress up like they do and come and go as they please! What a joke and a rude awakening when their sugar daddy is gone.
Who's being watched at homan square? heard it's some sgt or lt who hardly shows up for work, but not on furlo or medical.
While most would hope for a courtesy to a family member (especially an armed forces member) during a time like this, there are ALWAYS at least two sides to every story. You hope that p.o. Walter would be sympathetic to the family member and that the family member were courteous to the on-duty p.o., it doesn't always work that way. maybe Walter was the jagoff...maybe your son had an attitude. While I always give active military personnel a courtesy, there are some of them who believe that because they joined the military to get free college and now have to go to war that they are entitled to a drive/ act like an asshole pass. They even have the gall to say,"I'm a (whatever service) you can't write me a ticket with a few expletives mixed in. As the police, why do I or any police officer have to listen to this ? Respect goes both ways. Maybe neither party to this was the best of gentlemen. Not taking sides, but to the dad who's son was written a ticket...did he tell you he was a perfect gentleman to P.O. Walter ? Maybe he was...or, maybe it was a case of the old "my kid would never do something like that. Oh yeah...if you are going to threaten revenge against the family member of P.O. Walter, have the guts to print your name. But if you don't, Im sure Walter remembers the incident and maybe he should give up your name on the blog and how you want to make it a point to find him later. Even if Walter was a jagoff at the scene, at least he had the balls to sign his name to it.
TO 11/16/06 9:59:55pm
Its true, we dont know exactly what the GI may have said.
But T.W. has been treating everyone around him like crap for years. He's a double-edged sword: the bosses take care of him because he takes care of the INDEX. And its also true, he doesnt back anyone up for years, unless its going to be a DUI for him.
That GIs father cant put his name on this blog; when he makes his move it'll be less evidence!!
Im a Copper, and I believe the Father; T.W. has become a stone(stoned on roids)jagoff!! (Hey SCC, are u going to delete this 1 about him?)
Anonymous said...
Traffic enforcement? Give me a break! we barely have enough time just to answer the jobs with huge backlogs! The city craps all over us why give them more revenue so daley can give all of it away to the joyce and degnan families in contracts midway airport is all new look at floors caving in miniority contractor already bankrupt who will pay for repairs?
11/16/2006 12:27:29 PM
Are you new on the job? Here try this...When you get banged on the radio say "Squad Im on a traffic stop at(fill in the space with you location).
Who's gonna pay you ask? We are. Keep voting democratic, and living in Illinois and our kids will be paying for all the crap long after we are DEAD!
to 11:35...i know that you are not new to this, but you can't honestly say that not posting the dad's name does not idemnify him if he targets one of the Walter boys. I personally am very good friends with what would be perceived as the drunk (on this blog at least) and am a close acquaintance of the other (the more sober of the two). and yes...T.W. can be a jagoff, but also, i know that he has given his share of breaks and can be reasoned with by a level headed individual. A total hothead will not get a break and neither will trying to flex his "muscle" whomever it may be. And by the way, to the guy who says that he is a 19th district pussy, tell him to his face. trust me...roids did not make him 6'4". thats just the luck of the draw. Oh yeah..to the guy who thinks everyone in 19 is a pussy...i'm sure the line is full of P.O.'s who will be more than glad to feed you a mouth full of fist to prove you wrong. There are many people who are badasses in 019, 017, 016, 022 who didn't fall there out of the academy and spent plenty of time in the ghetto dealing with the animal long before going to those districts and before you graduated grammar school...and just as many that wound up in the slower districts out of the academy (not by choice) and made the best of it by learning as best as they could and could still kick your newbee ass if need be. Please, tell me when you are gonna take this up with T.W. and I'll buy a front row ticket for the shortest show on earth.
first off 019 is not a pussy district. Slow yes, does 019 have pussy police officers? Yes it does, but realistically, to all the "filmore rangers", the 007th, 015 th districts, I believe they can give you a list of spineless coppers that hide there too. It's unfortunate but true.
Second, as far as TW, a pussy cop is not what I'd call him. I have seen him back up other coppers and not just for DUI's. Does he fuck with coppers families, unfortunately yes he does, and for this I offer no excuse, I wouldn't do it, but he does, I'm not going to change him, the bosses love him doing what he does so he'll keep doing it. BTW he has given breaks to coppers and family of coppers too. Why didn't he in this case I don't know. I don't doubt GI's dad that the kid was polite. TW isn't that bad of a guy, but he is a jag off traffic copper. Best description of him would be a Jeckel and Hyde persona. And to the copper who called him a pussy and wanted to kick his ass. He works nights sits at the same place most of the night, and will absolutely beat the living shit out of you
TO 11/17/06 2:46:53am
I'd be willing to put money on the other guy for the "shortest show on earth". I was 015 tac w/T when he was all lean muscle. He's out of shape w/a tire, I hear his back and knees are shot. If that father is one of those endurance/boxer types,I'll bet you for my "spot" that the bigman hits the dirt like a falling oaktree. What have you got to barter; a poster of T?
J.H.(x15tac)
To the person who says that the dad would take care of T.W....there is always that possibility. Unlikely, but a possibility. But, i was responding to 11/16/06 3:31p.m. who referred to T.W. and the 19th district in general as pussies and a pussie district, that he should talk to T.W. face to face and take his chances. Probably a new kid in a fast district with a big mouth that has never met T.W. you know the type...trained in 011, 010, 015, 007 and believes that any copper that never set foot in these districts is a pussy. When i was in a fast district, i didn't brag about. I was taught to keep your mouth shut in public places while off-duty and not bring attention to yourself. I did my time in the ghetto (which i had lotsa fun and made lotsa $$$ via o.t. and court) and found a new place to call home. I think a guy stated in a different forum that about 5 years in any one place was a nice time to think about a change, and he was right in my opinion. So to the guy at 3:31p.m. who wants to call T.W. a pussie and the 19th district a pussy place...when T.W. is done with you...ask for an ex-marine on the 1st watch in the pussy district with the initials G.L. He will lay an ass whipping on you the likes you have never seen except on t.v. Done ranting, be safe and back each other up and remember, there are more than 1 side of every story.
Bill Branagan here: where does he sit at night? Let me at him!!!!
Hey G.L. midnites in a so called easy area thats going to lump someone after the Bulk is finished w/him; arn't your a Former Marine???????????
reading the dept's alpha roster (800+ pages) shows 13575 sworn personnel (star #'s issued)this includes over 10k patrolman 1220 sgt's 256 lt's and 70 capt's of course it also includes the uberman so we really are at strength it is just a matter of where they are hidden
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