Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Zekman Fallout

Channel 2 has a follow up report. Now a "watchdog group" wants Federal oversight and we all know where that leads:
  • A police watchdog group is calling Tuesday on the FBI to review whether the Chicago Police Department is hiding crimes to lower the murder rate and make the city seem safer.
  • The Cook County Medical Examiner declined to be interviewed on camera. But he said it is sad that the police department is giving out inaccurate information about the city's homicides.
Political hot potato. Catch the fever!


Anonymous Anonymous said...


11/15/2006 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC predicted this awhile ago. Now it's come to pass. Rattling bones have come home to roost, and no one in the city ranks has anywhere to hide!

Excellent job SCC!

As a sidenote: CTA Sound-Off is up and running again with a new look, and has switched over to the new Blogger!

11/15/2006 12:25:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Killing crime with a pencil did wonders for burglary clear-ups. The only burglary report I was allowed to make on the job was when I had the offender in custody. That looked great on paper 100% clear-up rate while the Burglaries, oops, I mean, Criminal damage to Property and Theft cases all went unsolved.

The crime statistics have always been a joke in the Chicago Police Department. That was a dirty not so little secret. The fine men and women of the department don’t have to help Daley get re-elected with bogus numbers offered up to the UCR.

These phony reports also allow the mayor and city council to keep the department short staffed while they hire their campaign contributing and bribing pals putting in crap like millions of dollars for dangerous and unneeded planter boxes to screw up traffic.

It’s time to whatever it takes to expose the lies, get the department manpower up to strength and get the cops back on the firing range four times a year so they can work safely.

11/15/2006 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One last thing: The follow up from Zeckman... Someone who hangs themselves (and is cut down by a relative--- which happens a lot, will have signs of strangulation, ligature marks, and peticeal hemorrhages...they did die of strangulation, no matter what the case is. The cause of death and the manner of death are different. The manner of death can be strangulation and the cause of death could be accidental (auto erotic asphyxiation, homicide, suicide, accidental death, etc.... The ME can say whatever they want to the media. They are, of course, "The COOK COUNTY Medical Examiner's office." You pay to play.....

11/15/2006 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Med Exam. is still pissed about his two asshole sons getting pinched.

11/15/2006 05:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask the first district tac guys about the expertise of the M.E.s office when they accused of murder by the M.E. and cleared by A4 Dets. They would have been sandbagged except for the Dets. who found film clearing the Offiers.

11/15/2006 05:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I for one don't think the Medical Examiners office could find their ass with both hands. Very much incompatent.

11/15/2006 05:12:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

To coldtype:

We aren't publishing your comment for a couple of reasons, first of which is we said to STOP publishing the bullshit numbers from the Lancet. We even gave you a website that tracks deaths in Iraq that is non partisan and mostly accurate. Try using it. Because of your relying on the BS numbers we won't publish, the entire argument you make collapses.

In this case, that means point 1 you made in your unpublished comment is a lie (total Iraqi casualties). Point 2 of 3,000 American dead is also a lie. The casualty count is still 150 short of 3,000. We find it disturbing that you need to lie about American and Iraqi casualties to make your point, especially as you seem so intent on following the letter of law in so many other cases. And the 3 Trillion dollar number? More bullshit - cruising even the most insane leftist websites, we haven't found one that tops 500 BILLION yet. Again, bankrupt political ideology leads to exaggeration in order to create the appearance of legitimite arguement. Three Trillion dollars is something like a THIRD of the US budget. Social Security probably spends far more in a year than the Iraq War has cost so far.

Please cite the poll of 70% of the Iraqis that want us out. Is it Shiite specific? Or Sunni? Or Baghdad localized? You see where we're going with this? AP and Rueters and Al Jezera run so many BS polls, you can't trust any of them. And what was the question asked? Because if the followup question was "Do you want the Coalition forces out tomorrow?" then your 70% number would plummet to around 15% instantly. Sure they want us out, but not before a stable government takes over.

Your attempts to tie Saddam's atrocities to the political winds of the 80's is pathetic and we've addressed it before. It was a different time. Then, the entire attitude was "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and we overlooked a lot of things that shouldn't have been overlooked. Now we realized that our political inaction caused too many problems that we are only beginning to see today. Bush I decision not to help the original insurgency was in response to keeping the Coalition together - a return to 80's thinking. And a mistake. Bush II rectified that error.

But we stand by our original statement that we won't be publishing bullshit Lancet numbers when there is so much more evidence out there that the Lancet is just a leftist political rag intent on promoting lies.

11/15/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it intresting you take the side of Zekman and not the police. Why assume the detectives are lying?

There is a big difference between killing a burglary and killing a homicide. It has been years since you were on the job. Times change.

11/15/2006 08:20:00 AM  
Blogger kateykakes said...

SCC - Kudos on your reply regarding Iraq and American casualities & dollar figures. It's information everyone should learn about.

And for a little distraction - well, enjoy. ;)

11/15/2006 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chasen looked like the pompous know-it-all asshole he always has been.
Zekman should ask the Mayor and Cline what they have to say about the facts she uncovered.
If the Department has nothing to hide then they should submit to an audit.
It is possible under the system that we have now that investigations submitted by the Areas be manipulated at 35th Street by someone who has authority to log on to CHRIS.

11/15/2006 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More charges for the Sons of supervisors crew. The word around the unit is more of the stripped officers will be joining them soon. Who was their clout and what's going to happen to them?

11/15/2006 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's up crimefile? Why do you take the word of a reporter over the detectives? You immediateldy assume the detectives were wrong. Perhaps you have been associating too long with those Hollywood types and they tainted your brain.

11/15/2006 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, if they can change getting shot at but missing from an agg battery handgun to an agg assault, can't they change a homicide to something more along the lines of a hospitalization? I love chicago! This place is all smoke and mirrors....robberys are usually thefts and batteries, psmv is tresspass, and the city itself is nationally recoginzed as a green city, but has no real recycling program......aldermen that cry out for gun control, but that carry them in their purses...aldermen (or woman) that robbed banks and used to be prostitutes (cant verify those, because, you see, records have been expunged)..hey, maybe that's it....simply expunge all records of crime....we will be a crime free city!!

11/15/2006 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 thoughts:

If New York City is not reporting all of their homicides I can see 60 Minutes looking into it.

It should be easy to find out if Chicago is hiding something by comparing the homicides reported daily to the news media from Operations Command to what is reported on the monthly homicide report. If there is a great variance then there is a problem.

11/15/2006 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have become irrelevant.

But because think you are you probably won't post this either.

11/15/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...







11/15/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger Doubter said...

Thanks, SCC, for sparing us more of Coldtype’s bullshit. This particular thread is about hiding crime. Apparently frustrated that nobody reads his blog ( except leftie—it’s comic the way the two of them massage each other over there), he seems to think you should provide an audience for his off-topic rants.

BTW, the November 6 issue of National Review carried an excellent article, “A damned Statistic.” It totally trashes the Lancet figures.

11/15/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe you've struck a nerve with the comments made regarding the homicide totals. What comes next is how many supervisors are going to shit when it finally comes out. Also can you imagine how many memos have been sent telling all dicks to shut the !!!! up.

11/15/2006 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would LOVE Federal oversight....maybe the feds can find out why the hell it takes 5 months for the results of a promotional exam....

11/15/2006 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess there will be many upper ranks filing the retirement papers soon.

Geez this is going to be fun to watch!!! Lie some more.

11/15/2006 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey at least Citizen Alert, a cop-hating "advocacy group," will take the brass to task on their constant bullshitting of the numbers.

Maybe once the fine citizens of Chicago realize we aren't living in this Utopia that the brass would have them believe and the city is just as dangerous as ever they will force the politicos to HIRE MORE POLICE!!

P.S. Quality police, not any gangbanger who applies. To get QUALITY PO's, we must lift residency.

11/15/2006 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a source who says multiple confidential C.R. numbers have been opened related to the allegations of detectives trying to cover up the homicide numbers.

Looks like the bosses will get away with everything, the politicians will get re-elected, and the partolman and detective will be left holding the bag--and 30 days pending.

Go figure?

11/15/2006 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to I-CLEAR Data Warehouse, there are currently 10167 police officer (code 9161)in the city of Chicago

11/15/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone dies at the hands of another person it's a homicide. That's what the word means. But that's not what the law says. If you shoot and kill an intruder in your home, the ME office will classify that guy's death a homicide. How the ME and the police classify homicides are different. The ME only looks at how the person died. Not the circumstances surrounding the death. The five dead females in the city being carried as Death Investigations that Zekman talked about are not homicides. All these broads were drug users and prostitutes. They no doubt had health problems related to their lifestyles that factored in their deaths. As a det for 14 years I can tell you that unless someone is shot, stabbed, or beaten to death the Cook County ME can very rearly, if ever, give you a definite answer as to the cause of death. This is not CSI. Ask any det and they will tell you the ME office never can give you a straight answer. A dead women in an abandoned house is a for sure homicide per the ME. There could be no wounds, but her shirt is pulled 3/4 of the way up her stomach. Homicide per the ME. I'm serious.

11/15/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We may not like Donahue and disagree with him at times but you can't argue with his background a pathogist in the Navy, Training and the Mayo Clinic, incompetent, not trained, I think not.

11/15/2006 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Pam, Why don't you find out the REAL NUMBERS of how many police officers are employed by the city? They've been saying 13,500 for the last ten years. My guess is that it is at 10,000. There are about ten officers assigned to CAPS in each district that work about 4 hours a day, excuse me i mean 8 hours a day. Yet, in some districts, there maybe only ten officers working the day shift. Yet citizens complain at the Beat meetings about the slow response time. Maybe if we got rid of CAPS, we could free up 300 officers. Manpower in the districts is down by at least 40%. No response cars. Look into this please.

11/15/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone see the video of the two 5 year olds being forced to fight like animals by their "parents". Its nice that many people will never know the joy of dealing with individuals who you can only reason with by striking them over the head with a ball bat. They live in our city, our state, our country, and our world. Watch out for them, they are watching you.

11/15/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous peter karl said...

We must place more emphasis on CAPS. It is the backbone of the Chicago Police Department.


11/15/2006 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI...Crimefile, Paul is a highly decorated Chicago police officer and was a stand up cop and one of the best that ever wore the blue shirt. If half of you pussy whiners were as good as paul was, we would have a steller dept!! Old don't mean stupid.

A 40 year veteran dick

11/15/2006 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The numbers are correct: No Dets. are hiding homicides. Think about it; Why would they? Much ado about nothing as per usual for Pam and the Tribune.

11/15/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be so ignorant when quoting I-CLEAR numbers for 9161. That's one job title you stupid ass, lets not forget, Dicks, Supv's, etc... Historically, when the strength of the Police Department is given it includes all sworn members. Now get with the program.

11/15/2006 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apology off topic, partial news that will be effecting us. BUDGET: Pension, possible reduced benefits city talking to our bargaining bodies.

A plaintiff’s attorney has warned of a post-election tax increase because the budget includes nowhere near enough money to resolve the “$90 million-to-$100 million” claims of African-Americans victimized by the city’s handling of a 1995 firefighters’ exam.

This is the third straight year that not a penny of the city’s $713 million property tax levy can be used for operating expenses. Property taxes are primarily eaten up by debt payments and obligations to city employee pension funds now just 61 percent funded.

That’s why City Hall has opened an uncomfortable dialogue with union leaders about solutions that range from benefit reductions and increased employee contributions to a shift away from “defined benefit” pension plans and toward the 401(k) plans favored by private industry.

But, those problems have now been put off until after the election, thanks to a budget approved a week before Thanksgiving following the least contentious round of budget hearings in years.

The only controversy surrounded the months-long demand from Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th) for the hiring of 100 new police officers to crack down on neighborhood crime and enforce the city’s traffic laws. That was quietly resolved by speeding the pace of police hiring.

11/15/2006 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

"We aren't publishing your comment for a couple of reasons, first of which is we said to STOP publishing the bullshit numbers from the Lancet"

You astound me. I had no idea that you were qualified to evaluate epidemilogical studies. What a marvel you are sir!

Your assurances aside, I wonder if others my be permitted to examine for themselves the comparative worth of the Iraq Body Count (IBC) projections and those of the Lancet Report authors.

I have enough respect for the members here, even those with whom I vehemently disagree, to allow them the opportunity to judge for themselves whether the scientist with vast experience in the field of mortality surveys who authored the Lancet report were off base, or if the well-meaning amateurs of the IBC somehow stummbled into the truth while utilizing methods which defy the standards.

In any event I've posted a response on my site for those who wish to read it.

Doubter. Once again welcome back. You'll find my response to your earlier assertions there as well (you're Challenge Alert #1). Enlighten me.

To all stay safe.

11/15/2006 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in reference to 11/15/2006 08:51:52 PM --the patrol division is short handed, the dicks are short handed, everybody is shorthand---does the city care? obviously not. but is every commanders office fully staffed? is every caps office fully staffed? why do exempts have drivers? they closed several lock-ups to free up a few officers. why not make the exempts drive themselves and get some of these police officers out of the office and back on the street

11/15/2006 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, anyone who has been on this job for over a year could tell you this department doesn't need federal oversight. They just need to disband the department and start all over.
Look who the fucking Mayor is. He's a 'Teflon Don'. He's a mobbed up idiot, so how do you think his goofy department is. (There are a lot of honest hard working Chicago Police officer, They're just not in charge of the department)

11/16/2006 01:14:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Me response re: Anonymous said...

What's up crimefile? Why do you take the word of a reporter over the detectives? You immediateldy assume the detectives were wrong. Perhaps you have been associating too long with those Hollywood types and they tainted your brain. 11/15/2006 10:03:00 AM

I do't believe the dicks are doing this on their own for a second. It comes from the top down. I don't take sides with Zekman but with the long history the departmemnt has of cooking the books.

I'll never forget rewriting my very first burglary report to a CDTP & Theft at the instruction of a sergeant. I think my FTO let me fall into that trap by not stopping me since he never signed the report.

I believe the dicks are doing the very best they can with what they have.

11/16/2006 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

According to I-CLEAR Data Warehouse, there are currently 10167 police officer (code 9161)in the city of Chicago

11/15/2006 04:47:19 PM

Average that to 200 per district = 5000. So we have 5167 in administration??? I thought computers made us more efficient, less people in offices!
We can't even get a decent pool car but headquarters people are taking marked squads home or parking them at district stations overnight to save on their own gas. (hey pam zekman go check out the police car situation next) Go look in your district parking lots overnight and see how many cars are parked there with full markings but no light bars or no beat tags.

I won't even touch the we have 250 people assigned to a district but how many are out on (special details) Can't man all the beat cars on midnights!!!!! Can't get a day off!!! District commanders with 10 person staffs? Plus the data entry stuff??? Desk crews forced to do data entry???



11/16/2006 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kline will probably have a "fall guy" for this, he always has one ready.

11/16/2006 05:44:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

coldtype, we believe that the list of what would astound you would fill encyclopedias.

We gave you references, we gave you links, we gave you reasons that the Lancet article was BS from the start. And still you cling to it like a drowning man in the sea. Just because you repeat something a thousand times and the MSM echo chamber reverberates with the same BS does not and never will make it true.

Any "study" that bases it's entire statistical measure on "sampling" is suspect at the least and biased at the worst - especially in a war zone where they only sample 33 neighborhoods within hailing distance of downtown Baghdad. Or didn't you read the internals of the Lancet study? We did.

11/16/2006 06:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not forget .... I left my purse in the shopping cart, I turned around and it was gone. What type of report used boys and germs? Of course Lost case report. We look like morons, but the districts stats look great.

11/16/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago I did a case report primary box burglary, Sgt told me to change it to criminal damage, I said,it's burglary. Next thing I no, watch commander called me in and ordered me to change it. I was treated like shit until he retired, every inspection, every shit detail. We can fight it but the outcome sucks. 5 more years and I'm gone. Stats mean everything to this department and unfortunately there is nothing that we can do to change it.

11/16/2006 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

"Any 'study'that basis its enire statistical measure on 'sampling' is suspect at least and biased at worst"

SCC, EVERY epidemiological study, i.e major disease outbreak, famine, or war relies upon SAMPLING to derive at a statistical measure of the whole, just as EVERY POLL relies upon SAMPLIING to obtain a statistical measure of public opinion.

The Lancet authors followed what are STANDARD OPERATING proceedures in such studies and have been repeated by other scientists in other war/disaster zones throughout the world. If they hadn't, then their work would not have been published in a SCIENTIFIC journal.

The ONLY difference in this case is that the agent of death is NOT a malignant pathogen, earthquake, or scores of kat-chewing, machine-gun toting teens in the Congo, but the US/UK armed forces--which makes the Lancet findings POLITICALLY unacceptable, not SCIENTIFICALLY so.

NO peer-reviewed, scientific survey relies upon media reports for its sampling as the IBC does.

"...didn't you read the internals of the Lancet report? We did".

Impossible. You are many things SCC but not stupid. I've provided the entire Lancet report, along with detailed correspondence between Media Lens and IBC co-founder John Sloboda as well as the Lancet authors. You have read none of this.

I only wish the Lancet figures were false SCC, but wishing isn't reality. Take the time to read what I have provided--BEFORE you form an opinion. That's all I can ask. Stay safe.

11/16/2006 09:18:00 AM  
Blogger Murphy40pct said...

Coldtype, I realize that you feel you are blessed with some knowledge that the rest of us are not. You should know that when you posture with such intellectual statements as "What a marvel you are sir," it just emphasizes what a smart person you are portraying yourself to be. Kind of like Lefty with his "my dearest M" or Malcolm with his "European Americans." I mean really Malcolm-what do you call a black man from Canada who now lives in Chicago? An African Canadian American? You guys all need to put the show on hold and start using your brains.

11/16/2006 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone see the video of the two 5 year olds being forced to fight like animals by their "parents". Its nice that many people will never know the joy of dealing with individuals who you can only reason with by striking them over the head with a ball bat. They live in our city, our state, our country, and our world. Watch out for them, they are watching you.

11/15/2006 09:33:51 PM

Did anyone see the tape of the adults fighting at the pee wee football game....a major free for you wonder why equally stupid adults are encouraging young kids to fight.

11/16/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Fitzgerald go! Another scandal when will they get to rosemarie Andolino at o'Hare Victor reyes former lady who did all his running took his clothes to cleaners kept her mouth shut gets a $160,000 a year job but has no skills cept for marrying mark fary!

11/16/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone see the video of the two 5 year olds being forced to fight like animals by their "parents"..

Where was this video at so I can see it???

11/16/2006 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not so much that the police are telling lies, and that anyone is siding with the m.e. The dicks are saying what they are told to say. What the public needs to know is that all officers must go to the range and qualify, from fat phil on down. So how many people went to the range this year? Try about 8400. Yes, homicides are way up, and many are carried as "death investigations." Greasy faced Daley cannot afford to be embarrased by true numbers, so the word is put out to kill crime on paper. So, back to the real number of sworn personnel. If the city council budgets for about 15000 sworn, where does the rest of that money go?

11/16/2006 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think the Detective’s care about hiding murders you are a fool. A Detectives investigation of the incident determines what it is. The M.E. is not CSI! The Doctors at the morgue often defer the cause of death pending police investigation, if they were able to determine the cause of death with certainty they would make it known immediately after the post, and not wait for the investigation.

Get a clue about the D-unit before you take sides with the media!

The only people who really know are true cops and detectives that have done the job. Rather you like him or not, Chasen was a detective and he stoof up for himself and for the men, it is more then most bosses would have done.

11/16/2006 04:16:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Every study does NOT base it's findings on sampling. Sampling is not fact. Crime studies are not based on sampling. THEY GO OUT AND COUNT THE FREAKING CRIMES. The Lancet bases it's study on BS reporting from 33 or 36 nieghborhoods that ARE NOT reflective of Iraq as a whole.

Have you ever been to a morgue? Do you ever wonder why they are built the way and the size they are? Because Actuaries go out and do huge studies and counts and such and build the morgue to the appropriate size of the population at hand. That's why in 1995 when the city was "blindsided" by the heat emergency, they had to bring in 6 or 7 refrigerated trucks to pick up the slack. The morgue was inadequate.

Why haven't we seen pictures of refrigerated trucks lined up around the block in Iraq? Because if they existed, you KNOW the Rueters, AP, al-Jeezera and the New York Times would be running to publish pictures. It's because the death rate HASN'T RISEN since the invasion and has actually gone DOWN. Look it up. We're sick of doing your research for you.

As for no one relying on media reports for their count, why would ANYONE actually, you know, READ THE FREAKING DEATH NOTICES and maybe make a count of how many bodies are turning up? Or READ THE DAMN POLICE REPORTS and see how many bodies were actually recovered? Sampling 30+ neighborhoods by asking questions along the lines of "Do you know anyone who has been killed by a roadside bomb?" and you get 7 people in 7 different samples saying, "Yeah, cousin Achmed died." AND IT'S THE SAME COUSIN FOR ALL 7 PEOPLE because of the tribal structure of Iraq, then your study is BULLSHIT.

Go boil your head. If you can't see what's in front of your eyes and don't ask questions of your supposedly accurate stats based on what you observe every day in THIS city, then you are truly as ignorant as you appear.

11/16/2006 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pam Zekman answer me this....
have you ever paid the back rent you owed to your landlord back in the 80's-90's when you lived in the West Lakeview area?

Maybe Channel 5 or 7 should do an investigation into Investigative Reporters at Channel 2 who owe people A LOT of money

11/16/2006 06:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:16 PM

Chasen never served as a detective. His first appearance in the Detective Division was as a sgt. in 640.

11/16/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Malcolm X's little brother said...

To Mr. Murphy:

The 40 pct. must mean you use 40 per cent of your brain. Your ignoring of past racial injustices is unfortunate.

Listen, if your Irish-American self is upset because of my use of African-American and European-American terms it is probably because of some guilt of past indiscretions on your part.

That is unfortunate since "your people," when they arrived here in the mid and late 19th century, were victims of discrimination by WASP's. They had one benefit though, white skin. To ignore history is wrong.

As regards to "lefty," and "Coldtype," and "Shadi," well, at least they care about the plight of the African-American. I'll make a deal with you. I'll stop using those terms when you stop using the "n" word and other slurs.

11/16/2006 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

"you should know that when you posture with such intellectual statements as 'What a marvel you are sir,' it just emphasizes what a smart person you are portraying yourself to be"
- Murphy40pct

Murph? What are you talking about?

This discussion is not about me. This discussion is about the credibility or lack thereof of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health report that was published in the Lancet on October 11, 2006. Nothing else.

I've provided you with access to the Media Lens investigation in which all parties involved had their say. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

SCC. Your response leaves me embarrassed FOR you. Therefore I will completely ignore your comical analogy in comparing Chicago crime statistics with that of a nation under foreign occupation and all that it implies.

"Every study does NOT base its findings on sampling"

I'm not referring to every study. I'm referring to the Lancet report. These are specific KINDS of studies. As I alluded to in my earlier post they are designed for major catastrophies--earthquakes, famine, war zones. Such projects require cross-sectional cluster sample surveys. Mathematics and logic.

Is the USAF dropping magic bombs in the densely populated urban areas of Iraq that kill only "insurgents", yet miraculously leave civilians unharmed?

Similar methodologies are reguired for the sampling of public opinion amidst a population of millions.

"Sampling is not fact"

No they are estimations. Like the findings in the Lancet report.

"Crime studies are not based on sampling"

Nor are crime studies relevent to the Lancet report. It is not a crime study. It is a disaster-zone mortality survey.

It's time to move on. I can add nothing else outside of the evidence that I have already provided, both here and on my site. In deferrence to your delicate sensibilities regarding this matter SCC, I will henceforth refer to the Iraqi dead as THOSE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED (TWSNBN). Fair enough?

Stay safe.

11/16/2006 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger Murphy40pct said...

You have a deal Malcolm. Now stop- since I never started. If you knew anything about me other than my blog nickname, you would know that I have done more for the Black community than you have, and unfortunately ever will. Here's how a black man who cares about his race acts: Support the young black men and women who deserve better than to be kept down by the attitude of perpetual victimhood that the false black "leaders" hand them. Supporting the communitty does not mean sit back and tell the white man you want handouts. It means give back to the communitty by doing. Tutor kids (we can rule you out of this one). Support causes like UNCF. It means being black living your life in a way that young people will look up to you. It means succeed in life, and not by getting mean whitey to give you a few thousand for reparations. It means suck it up Malcolm, be a man, do what's right even when not the easiest path. No one here ever owned a slave, and many have stories which I'm sure are filled with much more hardship to overcome than yours. Grow up.

11/16/2006 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Malcolm in the Middle's Little Brother...
It's obvious that YOU are the one that is ignoring past social injustices. It was "Your People" that sold "Your People" into slavery and created the past social injustices. Don't believe me..look it up.

11/16/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So since you refuse to address SCC's arguments, refuse to address his facts, and retreat from the field of battle, I guess SCC wins!

Congrats SCC! Another liberal asshole cowers before the light of truth. I guess the media and liberal lies just got to be too much for coldtype.

Godd catch on the civil planning of morgues. Now that you point it out, it makes perfect sense that a westernized citylike Baghdad should be swimming in disease like cholera and dysentery if there were 650,000 dead bodies around. I was moving bodies for a week straight in 1995 and that was no picnic.

11/16/2006 10:58:00 PM  
Blogger Malcolm X's little brother said...

To Coldtype,

Ignore the critics here since they do not wish to engage in intelligent dialogue. They would support the war in Iraq no matter what the price. Most of them probably were not even in the service. The president is a war criminal and after he leaves office I hope he is tried in The Hague (sp.?) as such.

11/17/2006 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Detectives Response To "CrimeFile"
what the fuck are you talking about? Dicks being told to downgrade homicides? You are a fucking moron. NOBODY has ever said make a homicide disappear. As far as making a burglary a cdtp, I doubt that too. I've come in to find a dozen new robbery/burglary reports in my inbox on a regular occasion. Where/when did you work? You post as a "former cpd cop". Your posts are more hollywood script that reality. I for one get tired of reading your bullshit. Go back over to New Yorks blogspot. Pam Zeckman, Mary Mitchell and their type are more akin to you than an actual reporter. Sensationalism sells better than reality. You fuckin' bozo!!!

11/18/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's really easy to lower the violent crime in this city by 40% if you reclassify Robbery (both armed and strongarmed) as a property crime.....

11/19/2006 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As regards to "lefty," and "Coldtype," and "Shadi," well, at least they care about the plight of the African-American. I'll make a deal with you. I'll stop using those terms when you stop using the "n" word and other slurs.

I guess you never listen to RAP music they use that word ever 3 seconds! Come on keep it real. Stop making excuses for your people and do something.

11/22/2006 07:57:00 AM  

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