Clearance Rate Falters
Listening to WBBM this morning, this cheerful little quote (we're paraphrasing here):
- If you committed murder in Chicago last year, you probably got away with it.
And sure enough, according to Channel 5, Channel 7 and the Sun Times, the clearance rate for homicides fell to 36%, down from 42% a year ago and 47% in 2004.
And of course, the blame gets spread around liberally:
And of course, the blame gets spread around liberally:
- Detectives, for instance, are dealing with a 2005 state law that required them to start videotaping interrogations.
- Some detectives say another 2005 policy that requires detectives to tell witnesses they have the right to leave the police station hampers investigations even more.
- Officials also noted that many of the department's 1,100 detectives have fewer than 10 years' experience, and there is a high turnover in some of the busiest areas of the city.
The dicks are overwhelmed, trying to do more with less, same as everyone else. Of course, downtown isn't cracking down on their overtime as much as they're cracking down on the Patrol Division (oops, we mean Bureau of Patrol), so the compensations are there. But if no one is bitching about the poor clearance rate, where's the impetus to improve it?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
80 Comments:
If you stop and think about it, who would bitch about a low clearance rate (other than maybe Detective Division exempts who have/had detective experience (any?), and who might take pride in the clearance rate)? Other than those, where is the constituency (political or otherwise) to push for higher clearance rates? The liberal political structure pushes in the other direction (videotaped confessions, witness rights, etc.); would it surpise anyone if the clearance rate drops into the low 30's, maybe into the 20's? Even then, who, that really matters, has the clout to really careand effect a change?
Why can't they just report the truth: 95% of the homicides in this shitty city are of dog ass, drain on society types, NO MATTER WHAT THE RACE! Not a lot of bona fide, innocent victims killed here, and those are usually cleared rather quickly. The gangbanger murders shouldn't even count since there are 20 people who know who did it, but won't help! Screw 'em! Shouldn't even count in the grand scheme of things.
What's the problem? If a baseball player is batting .300, he or she is a superstar.
Under my inspirational leadership, the homicide clearance rate is hitting .360. Not too shabby, I say.
"well we had em in custody, but had to let em go" Sorry."
Or just make Chicago a Casino and put cameras at every block.
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if this doesn't work for some reason, go to ebaumsworld and look for the picture of the KFC sign. Thought you might get a kick out of this scc.
Maybe if the Dicks took less time posting on their blog and started to do a little work the rate would improve.
that's what happens when you give out the answers..er....i mean the questions to the dicks test. You won't end up with the brightest bulbs in the lamp. Daddy can't solve the homicide for you!
Other than those, where is the constituency (political or otherwise) to push for higher clearance rates?
If your taking about homicides, they would be dead.
Any craftsman would tell you... If you take away a craftsman's tools don’t expect him to create or complete his craft. Did we not see the writing on the wall? Simple logic would tell you that when you continue to handicap the police in doing their job the less results that would be obtained. Society should be grateful for those men and women who continue the struggle and are dedicated the get the job done regardless of the restrictions imposed on them. Our boundaries get further restricted all the time while the criminals still work outside any boundaries whatsoever. Police restricted divided by criminals with no boundaries and no rules equals low clearance rate and chaos. The fact we have any clearance rate whatsoever is a testament to the officers and detectives that form these cases. NO I am not a detective but I did play one on TV!
Don't forget the 48 hour rule. That has to be contributing to the lower clearance rate. Lock em in a room.
you don't see that stat on dickhead daleys new commercial saying he cares so much about our schools and violent crime is down 40%. fucking smoking mirrors. what bullshit. you're an idiot if you vote for him.
Go back to using the lead sap and put the hair gel back in your lockers tuff-guys.
Dear SCC, please inform your lemmings that the CPD just started their own blog. Go to the CPD internet and it is listed as Checkerboard Chat....NO BS.
You can't expect the Detective Division to operate as it has in the past when politically correct nonsense has been forced on them. Look for the clearance rate to drop even lower. Very sad what bleeding-heart libs have done to police work.
Once again, taking the "force" out of the police force. May as well call us "peace" officers. (though we are legally entitled and in fact have a legal "duty" to use force to do our job).
They will get the police they asked for and deserve. Is the ACLU part of this nonsense?
As a Detective myself, the Detective Division's Maria Maher is one of the major reasons for the decrease in solving all crimes we handle.
Let's see what will happen to her. As the Boss of the Dicks when stats are so low, will they demote or PROMOTE her? Hmmmmm.........
Maria Maher must go! A female astronuat in diapers could run the detective division better than her.
Looks like Cline got his ass ripped on the Federal Court stand today....
and Risley appears to committed prejury based on the Sun Times story.
This might be a ticking bomb here.
NO real surprise there! Dets. are swamped with the handouts, and let's face it, a number of them are there only for the pay grade raise. And we've seen a number of appointed Detectives "request" to be declassified and returned to Patrolman status. I guess mommy never told them they'd really have to work there in that new suit!
One time I was working up in Area 1. I heard a Sgt. up there inquire with some of the newly assigned Dets. if anyone wanted to volunteer to take a ride out with the assigned Dets. on a recently discovered homicide. I was astonished; not one of the "new"
Dets. stepped up to volunteer to ride out there with the seasoned vets who were handling the call. Only when someone began verbally shaming them for NOT volunteering did anyone rise up from their internet cubicles and move their sorry asses. It was just too pathetic to adequately describe.
I knew at that moment that the Detective Division I had worked around and observed for the better part of two decades no longer existed, and will probably never rise to levels I had witnessed years ago. Simply SAD.....
Right now the D-Division is in the middle of an evolution. In the past 3 years the rules of engagement have drastically changed against quick clear ups. The concept of clearing a case within the first 48-72 hours is a thing of the past.
The Cook County State's Attorneys Office still heavily relies on a statement but now instead of getting the statement right now, everything waits until the evidence has been worked up. This takes months to complete. Cases that would have normally been solved in that 48-72 hours are now being cleared 6-9 months later.
Now you have to wait for your witnesses to get locked up in order for you to have the leverage that you used to have. But, that dirtys up your witness and makes them unreliable.
All this takes time and patience which the D-Division can do when the proper amount of detectives are at each of the Areas. It doesn't matter about the detectives experience level to clear cases. That matters in court for a conviction. There are many officers who have made Dick and not missed a beat in the D-Division. The learning process is for court, COHs, and the different types of warrants that are used in the D-Division as per say in Tact or Gangs. That is where the experienced Dicks come in. The younger Dicks are always eager to learn if they feel that you know your shit and are not treating them like shit. Heck, I learn new things from the new Dicks.
If you have a gift for gab as a beat officer, you'll have a gift for gab as a Dick. If your an actor as a Tact officer, you'll be an actor as a Dick.
Eventually the Cook County State's Attorneys Office is also going to have to evolve to the new way of detective work. They're going to have to start flipping people like the Feds do with their profers.
The key is enough manpower and patience to do the job right. You can't do the job right when you're doing an Agg. Batt. one day, the next day an Intimidation, the next day court, the next day a new murder scene, etc.. you get the picture.
So stop blaming the inexperience level as a reason for the decrease in quick clear ups. The key statistic now is clear ups from past years. The blame belongs in the City retreating against the continuing onslought of the PLO and others.
Sorry for the long post. From a Dick with over 15 years in the D-Division.
they dont care cuz you know if a bosses child got kilt they would have it solved in 24 hours
Man, you can get away with any crime in Chicago if you want. Those defectives are useless. They can't canvas like they use to, have the PO do it. You should have seen them on that shooting on Tripp and Wabansia.
I have to comment on TRU truths and lies. Truth you dont need clout they are begging people to get in the only clout babies are the supervisors that have average time of 2 years as Sgts, most are strokes. The Pos are basically recruits, wannabees from slow districts or pos with 2 years on in ghetto districts that think they know it all. Very few cars are in DOC areas if they were you would have 20 cars driving around 5 block area. How many do you actually see 1 or 2? They dont answer jobs when districts are in backlogs, and they actually have the nerve to ask for paper car when they onview something? They DO go to school on company time and they DO leave at 10 when they have court next morning. Most fake contact cards or have three cars jump on 1811 pinch, which is great for them in 015 or 011!!!!! They are not elite but a joke hideaway unit which should be disbanded or cut back for manpower in districts.....Some good guys are there but most are strokes. Watch those 4 hour days boys and girls cause your SWEATERS arent gonna save you from inspector's beefs for stealing time. Take shit to me all you want but I speak the truth and no I wasnt kicked out I left!!!!!
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FYI: The black vest cover can be worn OVER the sweater starting today on, 08 Feb 07.
Department Notice 05-40.
SOMEONE WHO KNOWS POLITICS SAID:
I heard the same comment this morning on the radio. Needless to say, I was not surprised... It's election time, and negative press will get top individulas replaced.
It is my personal feeling that the Superintendent will get the blame for the homocide rate as more of these negative comments are aired by the media.
My prediction for the future;
Hubberman, Supt.
Keating, 1st Dep.
Its nice to see someone on this job still gets overtime.
They (The Department) cited some case law from another state and in "fear of the lawsuit" insituted the "Witness Advisory." Now if you violate the witness advisory and a lawsuit is filed against you as a detective you are on your own.
So when "FLACO" is killed in a drive by shooting and the only thing that is going to maybe clear the case are the witnesses who were out there and their statements
How the hell can you clear the murder when you have to tell the gangbanger witness they can go. They say F%^$# that I'm not staying here, I'm gone and they are out the door.
It's even worse when the offender is in custody, you have only 48 hours to charge and your witnesses after being given the "ADVISORY" are marching out the door after being given there "ADVISORY". Now you have to go back out and beg them to come back only wasting more time in the investigation.
The city, the department, and the county has stacked the deck so high against the police from doing the their job due to liability issues and politics as usual its no wonder the clearance rate hasn't hit the single digits.
It's fast approaching and it's only getting worse.
Hey future olympic visitors! Come to Chicago to off somebody. You're chances of getting caught are only 37%-2 out of 3 chances you will skate. YA YA. I go to chicago for olympic. See Jorgennsseen lift weight. I bring my "friends".
Sounds like a situation only affirmative action, and honorary/clout selection, can resolve. We need more Bosses kids and mistresses in the Detective ranks. Its that simple.
Using the touch screen "write-in" for early voting throughout the city, make a statement!
PATRICK J. FITZGERALD for MAYOR!
For alderman, city clerk or city treasurer, write in MICHAEL L. SHAKMAN.
It wasn't so long ago that most areas homicide clearance rates were 80/90 percent.
As more restrictions are placed on the investigators by the courts and more so by the sao we have to adapt.
Maybe if the mobile lab was worth a shit and actually did what they are supposed to do that would be a start.
Most of them cant find a print on the end of a finger.
From the department's official blog:
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http://www.chicagopolice.org/
Tuesday, 06 February 2007
Sergeant's Results Are In Mail!!
Well, here you have it!!!
We heard from HQ that the Sgt.'s Exam test results will be in the mail on Wednesday 07 FEB 07!!
It's time to celebrate!! You heard it here FIRST!!! So if you are waiting for results, look no further. They are scheduled to be put in the mail on Wednesday.
We also heard some other interesting news about new detectives!!
Once we confirm it, we'll give you the lowdown!
Congrats!!
Uh, a note about the department's new blog.. it states:
"All comments are moderated, and will not appear on this weblog unless approved by the Office of the Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department. We thank you for your patience."
SO.. guess how many comments are stated ??
N O N E ! !
God Bless America! (want the hell is the 1st amendment?)
Poppalicious should be a Dick
we r not required by law to tell a witness they are free to go, it is departmental policy that was a knee jerk reaction to a lawsuit, policy takes precedence over the law once again!
Hey I finally got my Sgt results in the mail (NO BULLSHIT)
Put the blame here where it belongs. With the upper administration of this department. You have a Chief of Detectives who is clueless (pardon the pun), Area commanders and supervisors who were never detectives, only clout babies and political hacks, detective areas that are demoralized and undermanned, and a City administration that cares more about placating the liberals and the politically correct than getting the work done. A perscription for failure.
Just got my results. 10 years ago I would have made it with my score, but not anymore. Oh well, at least 7 more years in blue.
Assist a PO ticket on Wednesday in 021 turned out to be a midget ADS with a flat. Bt 2120 reassigned a car from a mental disturbance to change the tire.
Just got my SGT results I'm # 2239 !!!!! Woo Hoo !
THEY NEED TO OPEN UP BIDS TO THE AREAS LIKE THEY DO THE DISTRICTS. THEN YOU WONT HAVE 15-20 PEOPLE TRYING TO ESCAPE AREA 1 AND 2 AT THE SAME TIME. I'M EDUCATED I HAVE AN ASSOCIATE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
SHEESH DONT ANY GOLDSTAR HAVE COMMON SENSE.
call off the dogs sgt. test results are out!!!!!!!!getting numerous calls from those both fortunate and not good luck everyone
THIS IS NOT A JOKE!
THE SGT TEST RESULTS ARE OUT TODAY.
CARRY ON.
well lets see, if a good experienced detective makes Sgt. he has to leave the D unit unlike L.A where they have Det. Sgt. Then you get Sgt's going there who were never detectives, Thus the blind leading the new blind detectives. Low moral and unqualified people as supervisors. A detective training period for new Sgt's is a joke. All about creating spots for the clout people. Thats what you get poor results from the tax payers money, but the man don't care. Het Shakman are you listening.
My clearance rate has faltered lately, too. Just the other day, I ordered a burrito dinner plate, but I could only polish off half of the burrito; and I hardly touched to rice & beans. I used to be able to clear my entire plate no problem.
The stats show there is a direct correlation between number of jobs and clearance rate. It is a factor of time available to solve the crime. Area 1 and 2 have the most number of jobs and the lowest clearance due to the fact they have very little time to work on something before the next two or three jobs are assigned to them. No excuses, its the truth.
well this is a direct result of promoting non-qualified exempts to oversee, non-experienced lt's and sgt's who oversee, exteremely non-qualified detectives, from what i hear the more recent dets's have shameful deliquent lists and wouldn't no a felony 101 if it bit em in the ass. AND the dept is forcing out the veteran det's by overworking, micro mananging and shear incompetince at the Command level (hint MM), AND it's only gonna get worse.
Sgt results are out. If you scored 143 or higher you will be 300 spots out or closer. A score of 133 will get you around 1150 or so and a 124 will land you around 2400. This is a bullshit test. 10 points is not a lot of space but it is the difference of between 286 and 1168. A grader of the test could mess up 10 points. I sick of the city and its bullshit. Also you assholes that claim you made it legit. Reemember "10" points is the difference of almost 800 spots. I scored in the top 150 and didn't study and shouldn't be a sgt. But I will because of the bullshit scoring. By the way I scored a 151.
Sgt. results are in! I devoted 6 mo to this test just to have it shove up my brown eye sideways! I'm sure the 30 seconds on the job college student that gets promoted will always treat me right. I feel better, now that I bitched, back to work.
Actually, I truely hope some workin coppers out there did well. Us grunts need all the good bosses we can find.
test results out.
is there anyway to see are test?
is there anyway to find out what questions were thrown out and why?
Check the mail, the sgt results are here. 143 out of 192 for a rank in the high 200s.
SGT TEST Scores are out !!!!!
When's the next test ????
Department message out. Sgt test results were mailed in the P.M. of 07 Feb 07.
Check out this story about Phat Phil
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/248707,081NWS8.article
The Dick job ain't what it use to be. With ASSHOLE bosses that don't back their people up. That is why the Bad Areas empty out to the Nice Areas every time there is a new dicks class! A fucked up liberal Court system that is more worried about Offenders rights than the victims! Who in the hell cares about clearing cases anymore! I can sit in my squad car and do nothing for $80,000 a year and hell even go shopping. Why should I bother with the troubles of dealing with the liberal media, asshole bosses and losing sleep in court of some dumb jagoff who is going to get off with the help of the likes, liberal ass Eugene Pinchim. Times have changed and NOT for the better!!!1
Chicago doesn't have murders. It has a lot of killings. A murder is when a decent, tax paying, church-going respectfull citizen has their life taken. When one gang-banger caps another over turf or money, etc; that's not murder; that's a killing. And we are still tops in killings. That's why the clearance rate is so low.
Have you no shame, Maher? You are a cancer on the morale of the Detective Division. How can you look at yourself in the mirror?
Acknowledge that you are an incompetent political hack and leave. You are a pathetic laughingstock.
CLEARANCE RATE IN THE 30s NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!OOOOOOOO I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT THE KILLINGS OF GANGBANGERS ARE GOING UNSOLVED, OH WAIT A MINUTE YES I AM
"If they had a parakeet, I'd f--- the parakeet".
Best line ever!
Quick question. good ol fat Phil gtes called to testify in a civil trial as a witness but sits on the stand wearing his uniform. Would the average PO be able to do this? I have a strange feeling if one did and the brass found out there would be some time taken
I think that the media was incorrect.
I just say a campaign ad for the Dictator, and it said that violent crime was down 50%!
Do you mean that maybe possibly an ommision of the truth may have perpitrated?
The county commissioner wants to put a 10 cent per bullet tax on ammunition. The first ammo tax in the nation. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/248646,CST-NWS-ammo08.article
The clear up rate would be alot better if the C.O. of a south side Area would stop giving all of the Homicide cases to his hand picked half dozen kiss asses. The clear up rate is only a fraction of what it was before he arrived. Now its in the toilet because only his boys are allowed to make the overtime the rest of us just sit back and and handle the bullshit.
The guy with 15 years knows what he is talking about re evolution of the D division. You need to work with the ASA's to make a case and yes it takes longer. Court experience, execution of warrants and COH's do make a difference. Yes, it takes longer, more paperwork, more accountability...but worth it. PLUS, we need Sgts. and above in the D division to realize that. You get Sgts. and bosses wanting closing supp reports and felony files and you haven't even poured thru all the evidence you took in on a search warrant. Don't give in submitting a half-assed report because it's you on the stand being hamnmered by the defense attorney if there's a trial, not the chevrons or bars... common sense = 0. Oh yea, these are usually the merits or ones who don't have a clue on being a dic. 29 and a day looking better.
I am going to tell you the best job is FTO. You have a driver, and someone to write all the paper you want to volunteer your partner for.
Just remember treat that partner like a human being and he or she will always respect. And dont be a dog ass !
Offenders rights than the victims! Who in the hell cares about clearing cases anymore! I can sit in my squad car and do nothing for $80,000 a year and hell even go shopping. Why should I bother with the troubles
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$80,000?? I wish! No need to take the rigged sgt test
Anonymous said...
The county commissioner wants to put a 10 cent per bullet tax on ammunition. The first ammo tax in the nation. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/248646,CST-NWS-ammo08.article
2/08/2007 07:10:20 PM
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Simple. Don't buy ammo in Crook County!
WORD TO THE WISE THE POLICE BLOG THE DEPARTMENT RUNS HAS TRACKING CAPABILITY TO SEE YOUR IP ADDRESS.
SO GO GET IM MR OLE
Soon some new Dicks will be in the Areas. That means that Area 2 will get some new Dets, but end up with less Dets than before the new class was assigned. Happens all the time, Sgts promos, retirements, more Dets detailed out, etc. And where are all those 30 or so detailed out Dets at? I guess they are all somewhere working on bigger and better things than the daily Murder and mayhem at A2. Yeah, Right...
Im not a detective yet, but I know if you put most of our working detectives against anyone else in this country no one will be bitching about our clearance rate. Blame all the bullsh*** obstacles that we have to jump over to do our job. If liberal society or the city wants to cry about clearance rates, untie their hands and let them do their job.
#1 let us hold offenders for a week
#2 let us arrest uncooperative witnesses for obstruction
problem solved
Signed,
Josef Stalin
2/08/07, 11:18...agreed...we have some of the best detectives, indeed some of the best police officers, in the country....the obstacles placed in their way by the liberal leaders and politicians result in low clearance rates. That is the way they want it, they are the leaders, they in fact get the law enforcement that they want, and deserve....
Hey Stalin,
this is not Russia 1932. This is modern day Chicago. Do you want killers on the street or not? Take your academic shit eleswhere. The fact is some people have got to jail. Now with these new rules its more complicated to solve the crimes of people who commit murder. You probably don't live in high crime areas and don't need to worry that your liberal ideas that are going to put offenders on the street unpunished for your "piece of mind" in other parts of the city.
When some Mfer pulls a gun on you they don't give a shit you "care"-when will you learn?
I'm sure it isn't a dic running the official cpd blog (who knew we had such a thing?), but it surely doesn't help the public's perception when when we can't even spell HOMICIDE correctly.
our HOMICIDE (not HOMOCIDE) rate is in the crapper. wonder why....
I have to comment on TRU truths and lies. Truth you dont need clout they are begging people to get in the only clout babies are the supervisors that have average time of 2 years as Sgts, most are strokes. The Pos are basically recruits, wannabees from slow districts or pos with 2 years on in ghetto districts that think they know it all. Very few cars are in DOC areas if they were you would have 20 cars driving around 5 block area. How many do you actually see 1 or 2? They dont answer jobs when districts are in backlogs, and they actually have the nerve to ask for paper car when they onview something? They DO go to school on company time and they DO leave at 10 when they have court next morning. Most fake contact cards or have three cars jump on 1811 pinch, which is great for them in 015 or 011!!!!! They are not elite but a joke hideaway unit which should be disbanded or cut back for manpower in districts.....Some good guys are there but most are strokes. Watch those 4 hour days boys and girls cause your SWEATERS arent gonna save you from inspector's beefs for stealing time. Take shit to me all you want but I speak the truth and no I wasnt kicked out I left!!!!!
HAHAHA not one thing in your post is true, nor does anyone really care, it's obvious that you have this incredible hard-on for the unit, most of the people in the unit come from working districts, the doc is always saturated, which is why some districts get pissed because there fishing holes dry up, if YOU are actually in the DOC you would know that. THe unit gets apps all the time, there aren't many openings, most teams are filled. If you are in school you drop a slip, period. Nobody is leaving at ten, enough of your bs already......
About the guy you assholes call purple shades:In a District of spoonfed prima donnas and political hacks who don't have to get their hands dirty and are given permission to do nothing. It is nice to see a guy who loves to do his job and will protect you like a rabid dog if it is necessary. Nine has turned in to a District of pussies, kissasses and backstabbers. I work a Beat car and have time on the job and am happy that this Officer has my back and is a genuine hero with balls the size of basketballs. So keep on fucking with this guy. Because if you are a regular guy on a regular car, undoubtedly he will back up your ass. If you're one of the chosen ones on a the shitbird B team then you don't need him. You, who keep posting shit about him, are cowards and pussies and probably were snubbed by the B team.
Did any on ever check into the backgroung of the supervisors in the detective division?
How many supervisors have any experience as a detective?
How much time do these supervisors have on the job?
Detective have to pass an exam, in most cases.
Do supervisors have to pass any type of exam to be appointed tho the detective division?
How can you supervise a detective when you never had any experience as a detective?
Just thought I would ask.
Talk about the professionalism of dicks? Well there's a guy in my district who works the front office, studied his ass off, and passed the test with a score that will get him made in the next class or two. He has about 6 years on the job - ALL INSIDE!!!
What kind of dick do you think he'll make? He doesn't know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor much less what a Miranda warning is. To him, 'X' clearing a job is using a typewriter to fill in the 'check' boxes on a report. Pray you're not a victim and he's your salvation. Oh, and welcome to the competency of the CPD.
How many supervisors have any experience as a detective?
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Immaterial. They're doing the job of a supervisor, not the job of a detective.
You can take a Supervisor out of patrol and make him a Dick Supervisor and he will easily function. But if you take a Supervisor out of Dicks and put him in Patrol............ You got problems. He needs guidance from the Beat Officers. We are the backbone of this Department and don't you forget it!!!!!!!!!!
as a 27 year detective everywhere
I can honestly say the merit guys try as hard as goldfish around cats; they are useless....
in homicide, with a fresh victim, a new merit told me to take his partner, because he was throwing a BQ party...WTF..,and we were in homicide city A/1.....?????
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