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posted by SCC at 3:45 PM
Thursday, February 08, 2007
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142 Comments:
Just got the results today. I scored a 151 and am 40 out.
Time to call the chinaman!!!!
Sh*t he changed his phone number.
Got 145.5 my # is 150
I OPENED MY ENVELOPE AS I WAS WATCHING CNN AN SAW THAT ANNA NICOLE SMITH HAD JUST DIED I WAS SO UPSET THAT I RIPPED UP THE LETTER SO I DONT KNOW MY SCORE
How many usually make it off the list.
I'll be pushing a beat car for some time.
I'm in the 3000 ranking somewhere. I'm not giving my exact number want to stay some what anonymous.
Mine did'nt come today..It's killing me !
Scored a 135 out of 192 rank 926
Has the dept. ever gone up to...oh, lets say about 500????
"Sgt results are out. If you scored 143 or higher you will be 300 spots out or closer. A score of 133 will get you around 1150 or so and a 124 will land you around 2400. This is a bullshit test. 10 points is not a lot of space but it is the difference of between 286 and 1168. A grader of the test could mess up 10 points. I'm sick of the city and its bullshit. Also you assholes that claim you made it legit. Remember "10" points is the difference of almost 800 spots. I scored in the top 150 and didn't study and shouldn't be a Sgt. But I will because of the bullshit scoring. By the way I scored a 151."
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That's not all.. These promotional exams that the city has been giving the past few years are scientifically designed so that the tests are nothing more than just a sort of “lottery”. (the tests are designed by “Jeanerette” [not sure on the spelling])
If you recall the City lost a suit filed by African Americans last year in the Circuit Court in regards to the Firefighter Entrance exam. The decision by the judge was that it is a known fact African Americans do not fare as well on written exams. Therefore a more passable exam must be designed - - that is EXACTLY what this last sergeant’s and lieutenant’s tests were like. You will see enough minority candidates get though this test just because of “the luck of the draw” factor.
Think about it, you ask many sharp P.O.s who have a real college degree from some big name school and have actually studied.. they may have finished 2000 on the list. Then you talk to a guy who never cracked a general order and just showed up for the hell of it… he finishes around 200. In reality, the slug who did not study only got 15 or 20 more points on the test but that’s all it takes on such a “lottery ticket” style assessment exam. BULLSHIT.
Ohh, by the way, do think the new Chicago Police Department blog would print what I just said??
Well, another test down the drain. Nice to see they only went into the 360's off the last list. AS a P.O. who scored between 370 and 400 and did not make it even though they made well over 450 Sgts off the list I would like to thank the following.
Mayor Daley and the city of Chicago for promoting useless people because of who they know and not testing or job performance.
The Chicago Police Dept for successfully using the term Merit in place of clout so they could slide the clout people into Sgts spot who are too stupid to pass the test without help.
Our BALLESS UNION (Sorry, fraternal organization) for not fighting and allowing the 30 percent merit crap. I have no idea what I pay dues for. You have not done shit for me in 20 yrs.
And Finally the Shakman Monitor Noelle Brennan for letting the city get away with political hiring and promotions and actually believing the poster boy for merit Ronnie Huberman. The Shakman Monitor is totally useless.
I feel better now, how about a personal squad?
Great, if the above post is true, which it probably isn't, we're gonna get a reader of SCC as a SGT. Not sure if that is good or bad.
Beat guy for life!
Spent 20 bucks, didnt crack a book other than just browsing a few things.
If all the exempts quit, go to jail, and all the heavies get promoted, and the left overs quit. I could get promoted in 2013?
Geez im in the 980's I should have studied, But I still have my dignity
137.5 and 670+ out!
looks like i wait another 5 yrs. at least i know where i stand. feel bad for the guys in the 350 -500 range. the wait would hurt but at least they have a chance!
OFF TOPIC:
Its suppose to air tonite on ch 7. Chump Gowdy's lunch interview w/Rosemont mayor Donald Stephens.
I was really hoping "Chuck" wouldn't return from that meeting!
I guess the outfit isnt what it used to be!!
Nice job 4:00!
Scored a 142.5 and am 290 out. Fingers are crossed they go 300 up the list!
I'm in the low 300's. How far did they get on the last list?
Thanks!
You are #40 with a score of 151??
how many people took the test?
Don't look at who made it on the test, look at who makes the first class on the merit list. Start with Top Tier of the Department, what percentage of those exempts are merit? It has to be at least 50 percent if not closer to 70 percent.
what does OUR union think about the exam?
how many people think they should have been ranked higher or done better than their results showed?
how come we can not get our answer sheet?
Im sure the test was graded fairly
congrats to all that studied and did well on the test....it may take longer because of the 30% merit, but you know you did it on your own.
I scored 142.5 and I am 291
I scored a 130 and I am in the 3,000's! 6 years must not be enough senority or I am too young; who knows? I should of studied more on dumbass CAPS thats what killed me...It is ok though based on the SGTs I see on the streets now I firmly believe that you shouldn't be a SGT without atleast 10yrs street experience and I mean street experience! not DESK EXPERIENCE!!!!!
Yes ! The old list is down. So stop asking if there will be one more class!!!
YAAAAA Petey made it!!! we can look at our scores now
If they turn the list upside down...Im in the top 10...good luck to everyone...
Congrats to all who did well. FYI they took 362 off of the old Sgt. list. That's about 150 less than they took off of the previous list.
Anonymous said...
Looks like Cline got his ass ripped on the Federal Court stand today....
and Risley appears to committed prejury based on the Sun Times story.
This might be a ticking bomb here.
2/08/2007 04:26:19 AM
What about Risley??
125 out 192
#2150 missed by a bit
Off Topic:
How about that global warming?
Anonymous said...
Has the dept. ever gone up to...oh, lets say about 500????
2/08/2007 05:09:52 PM
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Only if P.D. is 501.....
CONGRATS!!! Good job to all who did well and keep the faith for those who didn't. Life's too short to be tall
I actually enjoyed the wait for the results soooo much, that I shredded my score before I read it! That way I will just watch for the promotion list and see what happens! God I just love surprises!!!!!
I have decided to not open the envelope. I was not given the questions before hand, nor am I related to any politician. Therefore I have no reason to believe or wish that I scored in the top 10% in order to make in on my own. Why bother?
I now know for sure this City is completely screwed up beyond what I even thought!
I am under 300 on the list.
I'll wait a couple of years and smile the entire time, knowing I fooled them again!
My spouse had me open it since they are not in town today, and they had a score of 146.5 and ranked #122. I really hope they make it to that and beyond, and it's great to know that the promotion will be based on hard work!
I guess his name is "GOUDIE"
TO OFF TOPIC,
Anyway, just watched the I-team thing on Stephens and Rosemont.
The whole thing pisses me off. We couldve had gambling complexes right here in Chicago, years ago. But ElDuce Ritchie was against the immoral taxes it would bring in. Now he hasnt the money to pay into our pensions. Him and blago now want casinos to fund their crap budgets.
We couldve been working triple time at these casinos, in addition to our pensions being fully funded and our insurance paid for!!!!!
FOP,,,,,,,,,,,,
DONAHUE makes D-8, 145,000. The rest of the girls(humps) make 100,000 how does that help any member of F.O.P. ? It doesn't and never will. The truth is that the small group will change who they support AS CHANGE. Remember DONAHUE was part os the NOLAN team but NOLAN could not run any more. FACT!! It's time to stop supporting the status quo. Almost every person on the F.O.P. negotiating committee is in a management spot=EXPLAIN THIS. How do the fireman get more vacation than we do . EXPLAIN THIS. Education requirements without financial benefits EXPAIN THIS. Folks, common sense prevails, DONAHUE is terrible for the group. Very good for the individuals and the alderman.
Why can't we get the tests back and se what answers we got wrong? You'll never be able to improve your general knowledge if you don't know the areas where you are weak. Bitter from the Bullsh*t.
To 7:01:19pm. New York or New Jersey would have had Chump Gowdy disposed of by now. Our "Outfit" is to busy picking Sgts off the list.
The feds have a sealed indictment on Raymond Risley.
The gungrabbing in Illinois keeps getting worse!!
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"What could be the nation's first tax on bullets is being floated as a way to help balance Cook County's budget.
Commissioner Roberto Maldonado wants to slap a 10-cent-a-bullet tax on those buying ammunition in the county. It's one of dozens of plans offered to close the county's $500 million budget deficit."
So, let see im 34yo have 6 years on...scored a 129.5 and im 2045 out but a buddy of mine 39yo 10 years on scored a 126 and he was 1350 out HUH? does that sound right?
OFF TOPIC..
Saw out Lt. from 001 going into the 18th District. Guess our Deputy Chief Williams caught two 018 District officers drinking on duty at one of the bars and brought them in for a breathalizer.
To 12:08:25am. Your 34years old and have 6years on the job, and by now you still haven't figured out that if you weren't told your going to be a sgt. that your not going to be a sgt. No wonder why you scored so low, merit all the way sucka!!!!!!
Got a 144.5 #206.
I have decided to not open the envelope. I was not given the questions before hand, nor am I related to any politician. Therefore I have no reason to believe or wish that I scored in the top 10% in order to make in on my own. Why bother?
2/08/2007 09:42:55 PM
Why bother? Because I don't know a soul on this job, just the POs I've worked with, and not a soul knows me, I'm not related to anyone (in a position of clout), and nobody gave me the questions beforehand, just the study guide. If you didn't do well, don't bitch and moan. I scored very well, because I studied and I was able to perform when it came test time. It can be done.
So, let see im 34yo have 6 years on...scored a 129.5 and im 2045 out but a buddy of mine 39yo 10 years on scored a 126 and he was 1350 out HUH? does that sound right?
Someone is not telling the truth!
Well , i dont know why im not SGT. yet. I am the best tact worker in the 019 district. I am very very close friends with the commander. I call him by his first name "George". And I also play volleyball with him. As you all know he told me he was going to make me SGT and im still waiting.
I had a score of 138 out of 192, 8 1/2 years on job and my ranking is 618. Extremely disappointed and thoroughly disgusted to know that only 4 more right would have placed me in the 200s. Studied my ass off for a long time in between court, special and being bounced from car to car in a shit district. I have no chinaman, no phone call, no relative who's a boss, no boss to back me except myself. My stats/awards would easily qualify me or at least make a helluva strong arguement for merit promo. Instead.....I have to do it all over again and it truly sucks. Its hard not to be bitter but what else is a guy to do or be? Iam extremely thankful for having this job and for a lot of people you will never know how much. I would like to congrats the people who truly did make it on their own. You did it, be proud and now be a great boss. Be safe and hopefully we'll all have a "Lucky Saturday" someday soon.
im well over 1000 on the list. maybe ill get meritorously promoted to sgt. oh wait-im not black, a member a lapa, related to cline...........oh well ...im just a paper car for another 5+ yrs
Think about it, you ask many sharp P.O.s who have a real college degree from some big name school and have actually studied.. they may have finished 2000 on the list. Then you talk to a guy who never cracked a general order and just showed up for the hell of it… he finishes around 200. In reality, the slug who did not study only got 15 or 20 more points on the test but that’s all it takes on such a “lottery ticket” style assessment exam. BULLSHIT.
Ohh, by the way, do think the new Chicago Police Department blog would print what I just said??
Just shows you that a degree from a big named University doesn't mean shit, common sense and general on the job knowledge will prevail in most cases...
Eric W. in 610 got his letter today, but refuses to comment on his exact score. Although he says its between number 3 and 5. As of 1630hrs he refuses to answer to his "christian name" but will only answers to the call-sign "#4". It getting kinda creepy, I wished he would just tell us his score.
Ok which aldertheive do i drop to? Would it help if I give it to the 14th ward guy?
Rumor has it that shortly after a John Nader of the 019th District announced his score of #1, he was shot in the buttocks with a tranquilizer dart by high level scientists working for the National Security Administration. It now appears that he had used his E.S.P. powers for personal gain. (i.e. gaining the answers to the sgt's test). Now as a condition of his probation he will be forced to wear a lead helmet,that will hopefully prevent him from any further ESP cheating.
Hey 5:09:52
Yes , In 1986 they took a little more then 500.
Ross L from 017 will be a Sgt within 2 years. Now theres a Captain Anderson in the making.
Remember as Ross stated...when I make Sgt, I will then get the respect I deserve. He will be a perfect candidate for ops or iad.
Ross you will be nothing more than the handjob idiot you are.
Poppa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its about time Congrats................hey um..........do you have a spot for me yet?
So, let see im 34yo have 6 years on...scored a 129.5 and im 2045 out but a buddy of mine 39yo 10 years on scored a 126 and he was 1350 out HUH? does that sound right?
I guess they look at years of service and your age. Is older always better? Can someone please elaborate on this subject?
Does anyone know how much time on the job you need to actually be eligible to be promoted? Is it 5 years, or 5 years off probation?
I just opened my results and....Oh, that's right! I made Sgt. 10 years ago! Get to the end of the line....BEEEEEYOTCHES!!!
Where my test results whers my test results. U got them bitches-now weep. If you're not 235 or above, you'll not be promoted. WHERE ARE MY RESULTS. I TOOK THE TEST 8 MONTHS AGO. WHAT? 422? IT'S FIXED DAD! STUDY HARDER NEXT TIME PRINCESS(PRINCE) OR LEARN TO SWALLOW THE SHIT. ASSSSSSSHOLE. FUCK YOU.
Anonymous said...
"Sgt results are out. If you scored 143 or higher you will be 300 spots out or closer. A score of 133 will get you around 1150 or so and a 124 will land you around 2400. This is a bullshit test. 10 points is not a lot of space but it is the difference of between 286 and 1168. A grader of the test could mess up 10 points. I'm sick of the city and its bullshit. Also you assholes that claim you made it legit. Remember "10" points is the difference of almost 800 spots. I scored in the top 150 and didn't study and shouldn't be a Sgt. But I will because of the bullshit scoring. By the way I scored a 151."
Not so fast....they take seniority into account with tie scores....
Anonymous said...
So, let see im 34yo have 6 years on...scored a 129.5 and im 2045 out but a buddy of mine 39yo 10 years on scored a 126 and he was 1350 out HUH? does that sound right?
2/09/2007 12:08:25 AM
Easy way to find out what is going on here... Check it against the master list, then double check you answers...oh wait, we cant. Because this city is friggin crooked. Congrats to those who make it, however they do it!
So, let see im 34yo have 6 years on...scored a 129.5 and im 2045 out but a buddy of mine 39yo 10 years on scored a 126 and he was 1350 out HUH? does that sound right?
2/09/2007 12:08:25 AM
He's lying to you. If you scored better then you would have a higher rank on list. Seniority only counts when scores are the same.
RUMORVILLE....DOES ANYONE FROM 002/021 HAVE AN INFO ON THE FEMALE HIGH RANKING BOSS WHO CALLED FOR ASSIST CARS AROUND THE BUILDING BECAUSE SHE HAD A FLAT TIRE THE OTHER NIGHT? PLEASE DONT TELL US ALL THE CARS THAT RESPONDED (INCLUDING TACT) CHANGED HER TIRE??? INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW??
I really think it was bullshit that the dept extended the application time. Yes I scored like crap on the list. But how many people got to sign up after the cut off date & how many people picket up their packet at headquarters after the cut off date. These people are ahead of me. But who cares I will pass out flyers for the alderman
I have called three attorney's in relation to the fairness and the scoring of this test. I do believe that there are very serious discrepancies and am seeking to remediate this through litigation.
I will post further as this unfolds and would love to see a thread on this subject as i know there are others who took the test and are being screwed over. The imperative thing to do right now is to discover how many people have been slighted and to file an immediate class action lawsuit before they start a new sergeants class.
This has occured before and those who filed suit won, it will take some time and a few hundred dollars a piece but is more than worth it in the long run.
I called the FOP about this and they essentially stated there is nothing they can do and that they believe that the CPD testing is fair and impartial. SCC please open a thread on this subject matter and I would love to hear from current Sgt's who had to sue in order to make it legitimately.
This clout nonsense needs to stop and it won't until we standup united and litigate it, don't ever count on FOP to defend your rights either, they are an extension of City Hall.
Anyone "ace" the test?? highest score so far...152?
HOW MANY SGTS WERE MADE IN THE PAST??????????????
[Note: Check out post: 2/08/2007 05:12:45 PM ]
SGTS MADE OFF 1993 TEST: 430
SGTS MADE OFF 1998 TEST
(THE Actual LIST/No Merit) : 530
SGTS MADE OFF 2001 TEST
(THE Actual LIST/No Merit) : 360
The test from 1996 went over 500
i only took part one and i
have a good feeling that i'm making it.
how u like me now.
hahahahahaha
scored 147 and I'm 107 time on the job( 17yrs )meant something finallythey can't take this away. i made it this time. studied my ass off
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC..
Saw out Lt. from 001 going into the 18th District. Guess our Deputy Chief Williams caught two 018 District officers drinking on duty at one of the bars and brought them in for a breathalizer.
2/09/2007 12:28:00 AM
Give us initials....
I'm just under 200....
Think they'll keep it up and go higher than 200????
142.5 seems to be a popular score. I got a 142.5 and am ranked 299. I wonder if the other 142.5's who r in the 290's r my classmates from the academy? I was 1 of the younger people when I went through. I just hope I get to find out and they make it to me.
i scored 138 and was ranked 639. i have 5 1/2 years on. my buddy scored 142 and was ranked 342. congrats to all those that made it legit.
Congrats to thoes who made it by test, for thoes of whom the test didn't even matter, you already have all the congrats you need, KMA.
I KNOW GUYS AND GALS WHO PUT THEIR HEARTS AND SOULS INTO IT, PLACED THEIR FAMILIES ASIDE WHILE STUDYING AND RACKING THEIR BRAINS. AND ME?, I SCORED WAY BETTER THAN THEY DID. NO KIDDIN!
SO GLAD I MADE NO EFFORT TO STUDY, AS IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE!
A TEST IN PENCIL? WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THAT? WHY NOT A SCANTRON FOR BOTH PARTS, GET YOUR TEST RESULTS AS YOU LEAVE THE ROOM!
CAUSE MOST OF US KNOW, AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT FOR ALL THE MERIT CLOUT BABIES, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SHOW UP FOR THE SECOND PART AND PUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER ON TOP AND NOTHING MORE (THAT IS A FACT!). JUST SHOW UP AND STAY AS LONG AS THEY COULD TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD DO IS, EVERYONE PUT THEIR STARS IN A HAT AND CHOOSE THAT WAY (THIS APPEARS TO BE A MORE FAIR WAY OF DOING THIS EXAM GARBAGE, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?)
THEY FORGET TO TELL US THAT THE CERTAIN EXEMPTS ASSIST NOT IN GRADING THE GRAMMAR AND CHRONOLOGICAL ASPECT OF THE SECOND PART OF THE EXAM, BUT IN GRADING THE PORTION OF THE EXAM FOR "POLICE CONTENT ACCURACY".
WONDER IF THEY HAVE THEIR HANDY DANDY SS# CHEAT SHEET IN HAND WHEN DOING SO. I WONDER.
WELL, BETTER LUCK IN THE NEXT LIFE.
I GUESS I SHOULD JUST BE GREATFUL FOR THE 1ST & 16TH. YEAH, THAT'S IT, SHOULD JUST BE GREATFUL.
Anonymous said... 2/09/2007 11:05:00 AM
I just opened my results and....Oh, that's right! I made Sgt. 10 years ago! Get to the end of the line....BEEEEEYOTCHES!!!
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So, what are you really saying ASS-WIPE? That you clout died off just around the same time? Cause your probably wondering or saying that you should've been Lt. by now.
Right?
And what? Since then, your shine box and knee pads haven't worked out like you planned huh?
Too bad!
Who's the BEEEEEYOTCH now!
Now go away, and go back to surfing the Kiddie Porn sight.
I'm sure your a treat to work for.
Prick!
THE 1993 TEST CONTAINED NO MERIT. WHEN YOU RECEIVED YOUR SCORE, YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHERE YOU STOOD. THERE WAS A GROUP PROMOTED IN AUG 1994, MARCH 1996 & MARCH 1997. I BELIEVE THEY WENT TO 410. BUT AGAIN, THERE WAS NO MERIT. I WAS IN THE HIGH 300'S. IF THERE WAS MERIT, NO PROMOTION FOR ME, SO MY FEELINGS FOR MERIT ARE QUITE OBVIOUS!!!
score 144 = 222 on list (w/ 20 years seniority)
I scored a 137.5 and ranked 677. Another 3-5 years working in the ghetto and dealing with only the finest people chicago has to offer. Should have taken the last fire test!
MY NAME IS ADOLPHO GARCIA AND THE ONLY WAY ILL EVER MAKE SGT IS IF SOMEONE GIVES IT TO ME. SO IM GOING TO BEG AND BEG AND BEG AND MAYBE ONE DAY I WILL BE SGT.
Does anyone know if there is a plan afoot to make one more class (however small) from the old list even though the results are out from the new one?
This is what happened following the last ET test.
Has anyone else got a 1/2 a point on the the sgt test. I got 132.5
.5??
I am a 16 year vet, I am still a P.O. I have been both shot and passed over, if this goes on much longer without me getting promoted I will blow this bull shit department out of the water, from the city I love . You know? I will wear my blue star, my award of valor, and every other award this department has given me.
I have always tried to respect and love this job, where has has that put me?
I have over 16 years and scored a 137 which put me at 707. Let's hire more test takers, and less police, the CPD motto. I would love to be a Sgt., and I would teach the people working for me, not blow them off.jrg
does anyone have any info on approx how long these list's stay up? I was thinking about 3 years. Anyone with some time on remember about how often they offer these sgt tests? Also, what do you guys think would be about the cutoff number? You know, like anyone under X will almost surely make it. I was thinking that number might be 300.
I took the test while on leave...then they made me pull the pin before 2 weeks ago. I tried to get them to extend the leave until the results came in but no go. I guess it doesn't matter how I did now except for the guy behind me.....Sincerely, a newly retired, but still in law enforcement elsewhere, officer....Congrats to the chosen few who will make the rank.
"...Does anyone know if there is a plan afoot to make one more class (however small) from the old list even though the results are out from the new one?
This is what happened following the last ET test...."
How is that possible?
The ET test I took was the first test EVER for that position. Before that it was seniority or a phone call.
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if there is a plan afoot to make one more class (however small) from the old list even though the results are out from the new one?
This is what happened following the last ET test.
2/09/2007
Once the new list is out the old list is down.
I called the FOP about this and they essentially stated there is nothing they can do and that they believe that the CPD testing is fair and impartial.
And you expected some other type of answer. Remember..until we unite this will always happen.
..."i scored 138 and was ranked 639. i have 5 1/2 years on. my buddy scored 142 and was ranked 342. congrats to all those that made it legit"....
2/09/2007 07:50:00 PM
This test is bull sh!t..I scored 139 and I am 740 on the test and I have over 7 years on the job.
How can someone with a lower score and less time on have a better ranking??
I know neither of us will make the list, but this is BS. I'm sure this is happening all over the place.
133.5 amd 1079 out
I didn't score in the top 10, but I scored well enough to know I will get promoted.
The best part......
knowing I did it myself......
No phony BS merit............
I know plenty of merit Sgt.s
At least 20.
Most couldn't comb the pubes of the legit Sgt.s
They are phony from top to bottom.
Again, most, not all. A couple are thankful to God and the powers to be that they received a huge gift, and try to extend that gift to the guys/gals who work for them.
Congrats to all the good ones!!!!
See you in the academy, soon.
SCC, are compilimg these numbers to make a list of legit Sgt.s?
Use the I.P. to I.D. us/them.
2/09/2007 03:35:00 PM
I believe you are on the right track, and I wouldn't mind donating time and money to the cause.
I took the test in 1993 and ended up in the top 500. The mayor went on record as saying that although the results were not to their liking,(not enough minority representation)the top 500 would be promoted as well as 174 Lt.'s.
And then, SUPRISE!!! the idea of merit promotions popped into their heads and all bets were off. Left out in the cold were 74 officers who had counted on making sgt as well as a small group of those who were to make Lt. The two groups banded together to form the "Coalition for Fair Promotions". We placed then IAD Sgt Charles Williams in the leadership position. Attorneys were selected and a suit filed. We knew going in that it would be a long process, but the attorneys seemed certain that we would prevail and as the case progressed, all indications were that things were going our way.
All of a sudden, the attorneys resigned the case and new attorneys were selected. Not long after, a letter was sent out by Charles Williams which said we have no chance and need to drop the case. If we didn't the city was going to come after us for expenses which would cost each member thousands of dollars. Everyone got scared and we caved. Williams' meteoric rise to the top since that time is no doubt just a coincidence. BULLSHIT!
As for the FOP, Bill Nolan came to a CFFP meeting and essentially said that although they sympathize with us, they were not going to dedicate any resources to a cause that would only take dues paying members out of the FOP. No doubt that is still the feeling to this day. They refuse to take any leadership in ensuring that the promotion process is fair and transparent. If the FOP had offered any resistance to the notion of merit promotions, the delay would have been enough to get that final group promoted which, by the way had more minority representation than all of the previous classes from that list combined. The Fire Union resisted, and as a result merit promotions were capped at 10% for the contract which they were in the process of negotiating. I'm not sure what it is at now, but the point is; resistance is not always futile.
The current FOP administration will tell you that they had nothing to do with that, it was Nolan and his crew. But as you can see, the pattern remains the same. Donahue and his group are banking on the fact that the department is very young and unable to draw comparisons to the regimes which came before. We are made to wait 9 months for test results which were probably completed 6 months ago. We are given a score and told that we have no choice but to accept it. We are not allowed to know what the correct answers are to the test, nor are we allowed access to our exams to ensure that they have not been tampered with. And to cap it all off, we are not even allowed to keep the second copy of the of the multiple choice portion. Now, why would we get to keep the second copy for part 1 of the exam and not part 2. Oh yeah, part 1 doesen't mean anything. It is much easier and more efficient to manipulate the results of a multiple choice portion.
I firmly believe something could be done. Itdoes however require determination. The FOP will not help because City Hall and HQ will never give them the green light. We do ourselves such a disservice by reelecting these clowns!
i scored 141 and with some senority ill be sittin next to all those at the next test who have nothing else to do but study and hope and make a phone call and worry will i make this one. why not just have 1 multiple choice test and be done with it instead of the fill in da bullshit answer. ever ask a supervisor these days a question never have an answer except for ask the watch cmmdr. makes me wonder how they answered on the exam part 2
Memo to 2/09/2007 01:18:00 PM:
Heard it was ADS Sandra "I beesthe boss lady" Day who had the flat head, oops I meant tire.
Flat head, no brains, ugly as sin, ignant (ebonic term) as the day is long, promoted to ADS. PRICELESS!!
anon ymous said...
Who wrote these dam things. Its full of grammar f-ups. Theres a comma every 3rd word. And I like the disclaimer at the end. "successful completion of any step or all steps in the Sergeant promotion process does not guarantee promotion." So it gives them an out if they really don't like you and makes it more of a popularity game.
2/09/2007 03:17:00 PM
Um, it says that simply taking the test does not guarantee promotion. But there ARE some big words in there...promotion and guarantee are each 9 letters long! I'll dumb it down for ya.... U R DUM
Just got my phone call, daddy said that I'll be a sgt. in a nice district, far away from any possible work related situations.
6 years on 132.5 in the 1200 range.
Geez will everyone stop griping, there are actually some people who did well because they studied!! I studied my ass off and know quite a few people that i studied with that did pretty well. We all scored under 200. NO we did not get any answers, NOR did we cheat. We earned it the old fashion was, we STUDIED!! You'll see our names as future sgts because we earned it, we didn't have a phone call NOR did we cheat! We'll feel good about it when we get made because we EARNED it.
I loathe myself
The best comment I heard so far about the test is "It's easier to study the answers for the test then for the questions..."
Awesome.
I have not received my results as of 10FEB, anyone else?
Seriously...accountability is the new "buzz word" for the department concerning deployment and personnel. Therefore, lets force the department to extend that to this test.
Lets demand, either through litigation or oversight organizations, that all facets of the exam are revealed, ie. grading, who the graders are, correct answers.
Our union can organize it with a collected fund if officers are willing to contribute.
Who would be interested? There is an election coming up.
Congrats to all who will make the cut. My best guess is, that those with scores of 300 and LOWER will definitely make it at some time during the next 3 yrs. Those between 300 and 350 are on the bubble; anyone over that should hold on to whatever study materials they have, as they may come in somewhat useful as a reference in preparation for the NEXT Sgt. exam. As a Sgt. for over 10 years now, I salute all of you who truly worked hard to obtain a good score. To those of you who know you are definitely out of the promotional wave of this test (and I know you don't want to hear this!), don't get discouraged or bitter. When you become bitter and hang onto it, you've defeated yourself. You won't have to worry about convoluted "conspiracy theories," because you have taken yourself out of contention. I wouldn't give the Dept. the satisfaction of doing THAT. For those of you who worked hard and whose test results weren't there, should you make it meritoriously, don't forget where you came, that you're fortunate enough to have been saved by a "round two," and look out for others out there who are damn good Policemen (and women), but just can't seem to crack that much needed "under 300" score. Don't hesitate to point them out to YOUR bosses. Believe it or not, some District Commanders actually ASK their Sgts. and Lts. if they have any recommendations of hard working coppers in their respective Districts to be submitted for meritorious promotion! The bosses can't possibly know all the players in their Districts, but the front line supervisors should always know who the quality officers are on their respective watches. And don't forget to submit those heavy hitters for HMs and DCs when they make quality arrests! Those awards DO MATTER when those packets are viewed by the Meritorious Selection Board!! My prayers are with all who will soon be part of one of the most important positions on the CPD, and easily one of the most thankless. God bless you all, and stay safe. And remember, it took some of us two or more tests to get our stripes, some of us NEVER gave up!!
Is it possible to have the same rank number?
new scores come out. last list they went to 362 or so. what happened to going below 500 to promote? and how does the city justify spending 2million dollars to give a new test when they still had many qualified canadates on the old list? teah thats right work harder. or better yet just blow some boss to get promoted. f(%^ this dept.
Congatulations all. I know 2 P.O.'s that will make it. One scoree 40 and one scored 52.
For all of you that are 300+ out, start studying now so it will just be a review to you in 4-5 years!
So everyone can feel better about clout affecting the scores, by word of mouth the top 5 are from the following units: 1-Area 4; 2-013; 3-001; 4-Area 1; 5-TRU. No one from 35th Street or any super secret units. Just to make you feel a tiny bit better.
PERSONNEL FOLLIES: An ex-Director of personal told me that the ONLY totally honest test ever given by the CPD was a Detectives test in the early 60s.
It was give at Lane Tech and each class was monitored by CPS teachers.
When the P/Os finished the test it was scored in front of them, right in the classroom, by a machine and they were handed their score!
That was on a Saturday and the list was published on the next MONDAY!
Then the phone calls started coming into Personnel demanding the list be changed to take care of the usual guys with clout. So the usual add ons had to be made and scores changed.
The MISTAKE of giving an honest test has never been repeated.
Soo now that the results are out, does anyone have any idea when they will promote off of the new list since they just promoted sergeants from the last list in december??
Anonymous said...
PERSONNEL FOLLIES: An ex-Director of personal told me that the ONLY totally honest test ever given by the CPD was a Detectives test in the early 60s.
It was give at Lane Tech and each class was monitored by CPS teachers.
When the P/Os finished the test it was scored in front of them, right in the classroom, by a machine and they were handed their score!
That was on a Saturday and the list was published on the next MONDAY!
Then the phone calls started coming into Personnel demanding the list be changed to take care of the usual guys with clout. So the usual add ons had to be made and scores changed.
The MISTAKE of giving an honest test has never been repeated.
2/10/2007 08:44:00 PM
Test was given in early 1971
I hear that nitwit Roy Isaccson Jr is very high on list something like in top 50??!! God Help us.....and God bless anyone who gets him as a suprevisor!!! He'll talk you to death!!! Real GOOF just ask his fellow Detectives....
by word of mouth the top 5 are from the following units: 1-Area 4; 2-013; 3-001; 4-Area 1; 5-TRU.
BOY! I CANT WAIT TO SEE NAMES! I WANT TO KNOW WHO THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN THE CPD ARE!!!!!
I feel bad for all of you who took this test in one of the most corrupt departments in the country. When the first list comes out just see how many clout heavy sucks are on the list, or P.O.'s who had Daddy on the job as a boss. These are the ones' who were hand picked to attend a certain study group of an exempt boss of Greek Decent. So if they get inside information that is not available to everyone else about how to answer a written test this is a violation of trust and sends morale even lower on this -ucked up Department. They should also make the whole list available to all those who took the test. Mark my words that when the first list comes out you will see a list of people who had more of a career as a secretary than a police officer and you will see how little time they have on this job. I just don't know how they can bullshit their way through this job thinking that they really know their ass from a hole in the ground. And for those of you who are legit , and you know who you are , congrats and good-luck! Signed The Kid From Brooklyn
I heard Poppa and P SHADES were study partners!
just like da cubs wait til next yea(test) flip
To 01:43.am.
Welcome to the club! Think how a guy feels after 20 years on the job and is always a few points away. That was my last test, screw them. And how about sending me my test with the results, ha ha ha ...
Not all merit sgt are bad! Its the test thats bad. The test is set up to make Book worms sgt not hard working coppers.
I still have not gotten my results... ANYONE ELSE?
10:46-Regardless of what you think of Roy, he would never write an anonymous insult to someone on this blog. It's pretty obvious why you can't pass a test on this department, and who the real goof is.
by word of mouth the top 5 are from the following units: 1-Area 4; 2-013; 3-001; 4-Area 1; 5-TRU.
BOY! I CANT WAIT TO SEE NAMES! I WANT TO KNOW WHO THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN THE CPD ARE!!!!!
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5-TRU are smart people 10 more merit and im one of them YEAH BABY....YA SUCKER
With all due respect, Dept. Supt. C. Williams did not "meteorically rise" to the top. Williams was a Sgt. for about 20 years. He was finally promoted to Lt., commanded Housing briefly, then was sent to one of the Detective divisions (I think it was Area One) for a time, then on to Deputy Chief of Area 4, then on to the very brief position of Dept. Supt. of Strategic Deployment, before he was forced to give that position over to John Risley, while he was moved over to take over Mauer's old position of "Chief" of Patrol, renamed to "Deputy Supt." of Patrol. While it is noted here that Williams has never had to command a Patrol District, neither has Cline, Egan, Gross, Cronin, Roti, Walsh, Welch, Peterson, Caluris, and a few others. I believe Williams has about as much time on the job as Cline does, and that's more than 30 years.
there was talk about a lawsuit against the city for the missing of the test for 7 weeks?! Is there any truth to that?...ANYONE?
We should be given our graded copy of the test back, along with the correct answers. This is not too much to ask. As long as I have been a policeman we have always made consessions we need to demand our results. Come on brothers and sisters we have earned that right, we paid for that right.
I have respect and love for my job, and am proud of what I do, but our pride is all we have. Never let them take our pride or togetherness away. We need to be all for one and one for all.
still no results in my mailbox
A F/2 who has 5 yrs. on the job, 3 of them on the desk in TRU, before that worked on the desk in 021, ranked just over 100. Must be nice to be a house mouse with lots of time to study while on-duty! Hope you are never my SGT.
Got two points better than previous exam and ranked FAR worse then previous list. With this department apparently anything is possible.
Wahhhhhhh! The test is fixed! It's geared toward the stupid people without grammar skills and pencils!
Wahhhhhhhhhhhh! How can someone with less than 10 years on be Sgt.?
Wahhhhhhhhhh! Since I was too hung over during the test, I'm gonna sue!
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Why can't us big bad Tru/SOS/Tac/ guys be made before those do nothing housemouses?
Wahhhhhhhhhhh! Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
What a bunch of crybaby motherf*@kers! Study your ignorant ass off next time and you might get made! This was the THIRD Sgt's test I took and I finally made under 300. Maybe if you read an order or two instead of talking shit you just might know what the f@#k your doing at test time!
BTW,next time your whining ass posts, make sure the string on your tampon isn't lit!
2/11/2007 07:26:00 PM
What you fail to note is that the 20 years D.S. Williams toiled as a Sgt ended and the rapid rise through the upper ranks of the department began shortly after he convinced 100+ men and women to drop what appeared to be a strong case. Let's be realistic, if he had continued to lead a crusade against the dept, and quite possibly win, the best he could hope to be doing today is pushing 1590 on midnights or something equally as appealing.
I very well may be wrong, and if I am, I trully apologize. However, I've been around long enough to know that on this dept, self interest will win out over what is right every time. In my heart, I know that's what happened here.
FOR THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED I HAVE AN LAWYER KENNETH FLAXMAN THAT IS INTERESTED IN DOING A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT REGARDING THE LAST SGT. EXAMINE AND THE SCORING OF THE PRESENT RESULTS 312-427-3200
I thought you all hated lawyers so much...fucking hypocrites. Doesn't surprise me at all from a bunch of loser blue shirts.
EEOC LAWSUIT PENDING
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Jesus Christ! Lawsuit pending???! Look, almost 3000 people took this test. In order to get a promotion, you had to score in the top 10%. Face facts, this is a difficult task. But, everyone took the same test...if you think you were wronged in someway, well..then, so was the guy/girl who actually managed to make it in the top 300. You people bitching & moaning about how this test was so unfair are no different than the "victims" of society we have to listen to everyday...you know, the ones who turn our stomachs. Grow up! We all made the decision to work for one of the largest police departments in one of the largest,most political cities in the world. What did you expect? that each candidate for sergeant would be interviewed in front of a panel, and then have their employment records reviewed??? Suing over the testing process? the same one that got you hired?!... wow, yeah...you are such a victim. The city owes you.
Is there anyone who was moved back three spaces on the previous Sgt. list about three Sgt. classes ago, besides me, and if so, what was the explanation you were given?
And that top 10% theory is not true. I was in the top 400 on the the previous list and never made it. If they didn't move me back three spaces I would have made it. You gotta admit there is something wrong with the promotion process. Not the test, but the process. You have no way of finding out what you got wrong on the test. What areas you are weak or strong in. Hell, even the particular wording that they are looking for to solidify your answers. You turn in the test and then several months later you get a number. It appears as if it's a lottery.
Merit is based on how well a boss likes you, or what officer you turned in and for what. Not the quality of your work or knowledge of the job.
Yes I'm a little disgruntled because this previous test was over the same material. I studied twice as hard to ensure a spot and my results this time suggest that I should have never taken the test, and I thought it was easy.
2/11/2007 07:26:00 PM
I look forward to reading D.S. Williams ' biography once you have completed and published it. There is however one notation I think worth making. D.S. Williams years of toiling as a sgt did not end and his ascension through the upper ranks of the dept did not commence until shortly after he convinced 100+ men and women to drop what seemed to be a strong case. Let's be honest. If Williams had continued to lead a crusade against the city/dept, and quite possibly win, the best he could hope to be doing today is pushing 1590 on midnights or something equally as appealing.
I could quite possibly be wrong, and if I am, I trully apologize. My impression of Williams is that he is a very capable and resourceful man. However, I've been around long enough to know that self interest will usually trump what's right. In my heart, I know that's what happened.
MAN --- waaa waaa waaa.... How many supervisory ranks on this dept, SGT, LT, CAPT, Cmdr, D/C, ADS, DS, etc. etc.
How many jobs are legit? Only 70% of the BOTTOM two supervisory ranks. Thats how it is. Get over it. Buy some more blue shirts and stop whining...Or suck some more ass...
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