Tuesday, April 17, 2007

Slapping a Lib-Tard

We're taking a bit of abuse in the comments section of the "Doomed by Gun Control" thread.

How about this comment?
  • Man...all those deaths, and SCC wants to fight the anti gun folks and put the blame at their feet. [Where else would you put it? It's obvious that gun control failed, and failed miserably. - SCC]
  • Does anyone out here think this slaughter of all those people could hve been avoided if the students had "concealed" guns on their persons on the college grounds? [Ummm, yeah, that's exactly what we think. It disturbs us that you can't see the obviousness of this solution - SCC]
  • This was a WHACKJOB who obviously planned this attack out! Maybe some armed student might have nailed the guy, maybe not, but I guarantee you, a whole bunch of folks would have still died, nonetheless. [At what point do the students of Virginia Tech have to stop being killed? After 5? After 10? Is the bag limit 15? If even ONE single student could have been saved by someone carrying a Concealed Carry weapon, what right do you have to say, "Well, 32 dead students isn't really that bad." - SCC]
  • The truth is, there is very little ANYONE could do against a crazed individual who is intent on taking his own life, and killing a bunch of other folks along the way to his/her own self destruction. [So we should just accept our fate to be victims? You're a moron. - SCC]
  • He was prepared. He was well armed. He planned. And he was determined. And usually, just as we've been finding out in Iraq since the famous "mission accomplished" party hosted by W on board that ship, folks like that are quite successful in their endeavors. [Guess what? Most gun owners are prepared, mentally, and via practice and training. And they're well armed and versed in their weapon of choice. And now you dare to compare the slaughter of innocents to an irregular army of insurgents making war on a trained army? You aren't just a moron, you're a fucking lib-tard moron. - SCC]
  • Shame on you, SCC, for blaming this on a "lack of armed students" on the campus. You guys have posted some dumb shit before, but this is about the lowest, even by YOUR standards. If anything, your argument has been made even weaker. [Shame on us for refusing to lay down and be victims? You and your ilk are raising an entire generation of kids who are afraid to fight back, afraid to stand up for what is right, who trust in the all seeing nanny state to protect them from evil. No thanks. You want to be a slave to the system, so be it. But you aren't taking us down that road with you. Weaker? If anything, our argument is going to sway Virginians more so than yours. - SCC]
If this goof and any other goof out there doesn't think that ONE person with a gun couldn't make a difference in stopping this rampage, figure this - Look what one psychopath with a gun did to the student body at Virginia Tech. Now imagine if one single trained student with a gun on the side of good was on the scene. Don't tell us they couldn't have saved almost 50 kids getting shot. Don't even go there.

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116 Comments:

Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Well written SCC. You know you're dealing with a "less than informed" individual when they offer these "arguments" in favor of more gun control legislation.

The fact is that if one teacher or one student was armed and willing to engage the shooter, lives may have been saved.

The off-duty PO in Utah saved untold lives by engaging that Muslim murderer until back up units arrived!

...and I'll predict that this VT shooter is either a Muslim or an illegal alien ... that's why the press won't release any information about him .... disgusting!

4/16/2007 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lt. Col Grossman ret. said this would happen. He predicted this massacre and told us in class that al Qaeda would attack our schools. This is not over. It's just starting...Watch your asses out there.

Sheepdog 71

4/17/2007 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gun bans will work if enforced to the fullest power. Caught with an illegal handgun, internment in labor camp in Texas. Also all property confiscated. Deportation for aliens caught with firearms. ATF sales records tracked with listing of buyers. If not turned in, property confiscated. Revoke link card program for weapons violators.

4/17/2007 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Toubabou said...

The best response I've seen to people who say that only a gun nut would want to see the students armed is this: So, the police shouldn't have brought guns to the campus?

Alternatively, what was it that stopped the carnage today? If the murderer shot himself, what prompted him to do so? Evil people are only stopped by virtuous people who are prepared to use force to protect themselves and others.

There weren't too many guns at Virginia Tech on Monday, there were too few.

4/17/2007 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

agreed, that maybe one person (on campus) with a gun "could" have made a difference (and if you're the guy that wound up being dead, if not for the guy with the gun, that's a big difference, no?)....anyway, what I noticed in many of the "non-stop" videos of the VT incident was the pix of the police with "heavy armament", i.e., assault-type rifles, etc. If they would have needed them, at least they had them; what about us (the grunts/no-counts of the CPD, "patrol")? We call the HBT, they're armed to the teeth, but in the meantime, and in a developing situation, with split-second decision making, there's no time "to wait", "or decide", "or plan", we go and get the son-of-a-bitch, one way or another....how about some armanent, properly certified, trained, and equipped, for the troops in patrol....

4/17/2007 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who will be the first political whoe to blame the gun? "Unfortunately in this country, at Virginia Tech, there were over 21 students gunned down this morning.
And you know my position about gun violence and too many guns in our society. And I don't care what people think, to the left or to the right, there are too many guns in our society." Richard Daley

4/17/2007 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the gunman had instead loaded Rosie O'Donnell onto a large cargo plane and dropped her on 32 students, crushing all of them to death, would we then outlaw Rosie?

4/17/2007 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have proof that gun control works. The City of Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. You never hear of anyone being shot there do you?

4/17/2007 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, There were lots of problems with the VT shooting.

The Campus Police didn't have a plan. People scoff at the SVIP stuff but it is a plan and can work if someone actually looks at it. Police at Columbine took a beating for the delay in doing something and VT police will be beaten the same way. Hindsight is 20/20 but that campus should have been in complete lockdown after the double at the residence hall with police in the buildings of campus.

I am not a big fan of concealed carry simply because it becomes a nightmare for officers and causes you to hesitate on whether the person you are searching is a good guy or bad guy. That split second hesitation can cost a life.

Anyone who was paying attention to the "Bulletproof mind" seminar, will remember that the Col. said the US is full of soft targets. Schools and Shopping Malls are perfect targets.

The American Public will wail and nash their teeth over this loss and the Liberals will declare that this is due to lack of gun control while the conseratives will push more stupid laws onto the books instead of enforcing the ones we have. The rest of the world is fighting in one form or another and deal with death on a daily basis.

The terrorists enjoy this kind of tragedy here in America because the American people can't handle it well. America does need to wake up and begin to realize that this kind of stuff happens from time to time. Just because you put a law out there to "prevent" this kind of tragedy won't work. Determined people will find a way to circumvent the law. The "we have laws" method is just sticking your head in the sand and looking shocked when it doesn't work.

I know I sound cold but it was an unfortunate tragedy that us in Chicago couldn't have prevented. God bless the victims and their families.

4/17/2007 05:52:00 AM  
Anonymous blacksburg bloodbath said...

Now watch out for the Virgina Tech "COPYCATS"!

4/17/2007 06:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the anti-gun people really think the crazy and criminal will willingly lay down their guns. God help them, I'll keep my sidearm.

4/17/2007 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox News was ordered off the Northwestern Campus this morning. Where is the outrage? Are they covering up weak security? Doesn't the public have the right to know? I am expecting headlines in the Trib & Sun Times over this censorship.

4/17/2007 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the army lt.cornell that gives a seminar at the timothy j o.connor training academy touched on this very subject and the frequency of it happening way before all these school shottings had occurred.this guy is very knowledgeable ,attend his class if offered.maybe at virg tech. if the security/police took this seminar there would of been a different reaction.always CARRY

4/17/2007 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a liberal and a Democrat but I believe in gun ownership and have gone to Springfield to fight the proposals coming out of various committees’. So get rid of the liberal baiting. Extremist on either side of the aisle is dangerous. And I agree an armed anybody on that campus could have put donw the dog at VT. Why 2 hour wait before notifing anybody? Heads will roll and justifibly so.

4/17/2007 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMEN SCC!

4/17/2007 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe this Country should start cracking down on illegals that are here and also start limiting or checking those on visas. We did not learn anything from 9-11. If a person commits a crime, felony or misdemeanor, they should be deported. Is it true that Chicago PD's policy for illegals is, "Don't ask, don't tell?"

4/17/2007 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ban the Bullets! If you can't ban or control the guns, control the ammo. Have congress approve a national ban on sales of ammo.

4/17/2007 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous the shooter said...

Cho Seung-Hui, age 24, a South Korean national and a student at Virginia Tech.

4/17/2007 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck Lib-tards and Lawyers.

Here is another victory for the LIB's and the nanny state.

Catholic charity's has announced that it is ending it's foster care program after more than 90 years because of a large lawsuit judgement which caused its insurer to cancel them. They cannot find any affordable coverage so will cease providing foster care now.

Some asshole lawyer can now buy his Porsche and continue believing that he/she did a wonderful thing.

Everyone else affected can now really on the NANNY STATE to provide for them..HOW reassuring!

Anyone every notice how lawyers as a group are the only ones who contribute nothing to the GNP of this country. They just find a way to fuck others out of their hard earned dollars by making up laughable shit and talking out both sides of their mouths and eventually the workin folks cave in and pay, just so they can go back to being productive and continue doing what they do..Contributing to society!Unlike the asshole lawyers!

I feel bad for the Virginia Tech campus. I would sleep better if it had been 32 lawyers attending a legal convention that were the targets or 32 anti-second amendment types...rather than those unfortunate students.

But at the end of the day the "Big Government nanny state" will protects US from gun wielding nutjobs and provide excellent (NOT) foster care for our kids.SO let's RAISE TAXES now to fund it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/17/2007 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to remind the lib-tards (love that term) of the off duty P.O. in Utah who stoppeed the shooter in a shopping mall. Too bad he wasn't taking a course at Virginia tech.

Unfortunetly this incident only gives dilly daley more ammunition (pun intended) to promote his agenda.

At least 38 states have concealed carry, and it does seem to keep "the animal" in line.

If you do not wish to arm yourself, fine. But don't tell me I can't.

4/17/2007 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You couldn't have stopped him just the way the gunman that entered the posted "No Guns Allowed" mall out west couldn't have been stopped. Oh!! Wait a minute. That shooting WAS STOPPED. By a gun carrying off duty cop that ignored the silly sign and was able to take armed action.

4/17/2007 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

again the liberal morons will use this tragedy to push their agenda of taking away our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. guns, in and of themselves are neither good or bad. guns are amoral, you can use guns to protect your home and family or you can use guns to rob a bank or go on a homocidal rampage. it's not the gun, it's the person using the gun that makes it good or bad. like the nra says, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

4/17/2007 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like the one man said about Utah he/she is right! We have to be right everytime them only once! Arm the teachers,deans and whoever else is deemed as qualified! Like Lt. grossman said it would happen! It is happening more and more! And CPD is cutting police nice no money huh daley, but you found 500 million for your olympics so you can give your combine millions! Your an asshole mayor please do the right thing and retire what are you going to do when PATRICK FITZGERALD comes for you?? You CROOK!!

4/17/2007 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ATF sales records tracked with listing of buyers. If not turned in, property confiscated. Revoke link card program for weapons violators.

4/17/2007 12:12:00 AM

Yeah, I'm sure those sales records would lead to the criminal element who have never bought a firearm legally and do you realy think those with link cards are on any sales records? Look at the FACTS, Australia bans firearms, violent crime with firearms increases 40% in ONE YEAR. Something the media nor the liberal gun-grabbers will ever admit to.

4/17/2007 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody watch CNN while they were interviewing a middle-eastern student. They made it a point to play race game(why would that matter?), then they continuously tried to get him to blame the school and the Virginia Tech PD for letting this happen. His response was classic, "It's very easy to second guess a decision after the fact and you know the outcome." You could actually hear the reporter's voice changing to anger when the student would not blame the school or police. And they say the media is not biased and that they are our friends.

4/17/2007 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt 's in the 020th District stop with the running into the W/C's office -- Grow up

4/17/2007 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If our glorious mayor thinks that there are too many guns in society he should immediately fire his armed bodyguards and stop the police detail at his own house,that way he can FEEL safe just like any other citizen.

4/17/2007 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Coldtype said...

"Lack of gun control didn't kill these students - gun control left them completely at the mercy of a madman"-SCC

SCC I haven't researched the matter thoroughly but I'm convinced that the above words are your most ridiculous to date.

So your answer to the case of a single madman going on shooting spree on campus is to arm college freshmen. Listen, the days of the six-shooter on every hip are long over and shall never return--for good reason. Americans of the 19th century had the good sense to begin the process of disarmament after witnessing some of their communities dissolve into chaos and terror.

I didn't think it would be necessary to point this out here of all places but oh well: POLICING IS A STATE FUNCTION! We agree as members of a CIVILISATION to not presume to take the law into our own hands--which possession of a concealed weapon both implies and encourages.

Every citizen does not qualify as a police officer (for this is surely what you imply) and cannot be expected to possess the training and decision making skills that constitues a police officer.

The Virginia Tech tragidy was a random, isolated incident, something analogous to the crash of an airliner--not a pandemic. We don't seriously consider banning air travel when a plane goes down and, for the same reason, we shouldn't give way to the chimerial hysteria of the gun-nut lobby on those rare occasions when a madman with a gun makes himself known.

Stay safe.

4/17/2007 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just discussed this with my dentist's receptionist. we both agree if one student had been able to legally carry a gun, the death toll might have been lower.

4/17/2007 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Chris Morton said...

Let's go against the flow and look at this thing logically.

What do these freaks of nature want?

1. Large concentrations of unarmed victims who cannot fight back.

2. Lavish media attention, FAR in excess of that shown to the innocent victims.

What do we give them in hyper-abundance?

These guys may be crazy, but they're sure not stupid. We give them EXACTLY what they want, and tell them EXACTLY where to get it, even to the point of signs directing them to their victims.

"Gun free zones" are the equivalent of bathing in chum as shark repellent.

4/17/2007 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Sgt 's in the 020th District stop with the running into the W/C's office -- Grow up

agree with above that 3rd watch sgt., name sounds like the genitals of a male human, is a real tool. can never make decision on own, constantly going in to w.c's office. can u say pussy?

4/17/2007 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Conturds "yurr al kader turrur" attack on campus" is wrong,wrong wrong. Turns out the Shooter is a South Korean Exhange Student.

Perhaps you can go down Lawrence avenue to met out some revenge on the "Dem damm Yeller Hurdes".

Simple Minded Tools fixated on the lies,The Whole Lot of ya.
Pathetic...

4/17/2007 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First words out of my mouth when I saw it. I can't believe not one adult in that entire facility had a weapon. Naturally I was in the break room with my loud mouth and was ostracized for my comments. "Why do college kids need to be bring a gun too school?!!" . Well less the obvious, and the fact that they're not kids but adults, but parish the thought that a female professor might have to drive to work everyday on the interstate by herself and have some sense of security if she were to be stranded or attacked. It would only have taken one well placed shot to have stopped the mayhem.
Unfortunetly we the people have all been so brain washed as to believe no one has the right to bear arms, protect themselves, their homes, their children, their freedom, thatwe now have 50 plus family's who's lives have been changed forever. My deepest sympathies for those family's affected by this madman. My prayer's out to the officers and first responders who had to deal with it first hand.
Peace, Squad

4/17/2007 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F*** Y*** Coldtype! I'm sure you would feel differently if it was one of your loved ones. Go change your name to Coldfuckface!

4/17/2007 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Ah, our favorite softball returns, spouting the tired liberal cliches:

coldtype said...SCC I haven't researched the matter thoroughly but I'm convinced that the above words are your most ridiculous to date.

and yet, you make the blanket accusation. how very typically liberal - no research, and yet an opinion. nice to see you haven't changed.

So your answer to the case of a single madman going on shooting spree on campus is to arm college freshmen. Listen, the days of the six-shooter on every hip are long over and shall never return--for good reason. Americans of the 19th century had the good sense to begin the process of disarmament after witnessing some of their communities dissolve into chaos and terror.

we didn't advocate arming freshmen - we advocated a sensible Concealed Carry policy as duly authorized by state law - if you qualify, you can carry. and actually, the days of the six shooter on the hip are retuning with a vengence. as of today, FORTY states have some form of concealed carry permitted within their boundaries. upwards of a dozen have reciprocal agreements that permit their qualified citizens to carry firearms across state lines. so not only are you way off base, you're completely wrong - again. and we'd really like to see which communities you describe as "dissolv[ing] into chaos." we can't find any. in fact, in most frontier towns, firearms were expected to be owned. all that Hollywood BS you see about the outlaws riding into town to shoot it up? never happened. most times homesteaders and townspeople were civil war vets who weren't about to take any shit from outlaws. so until you can come up with some actual historical evidence, we'll assume the rest of your argument is bullshit, too.

I didn't think it would be necessary to point this out here of all places but oh well: POLICING IS A STATE FUNCTION! We agree as members of a CIVILISATION to not presume to take the law into our own hands--which possession of a concealed weapon both implies and encourages.

and the state was where in this case? minutes away? hours? how long does it take to kill 30+ and wound another 20+? we enter into a social contract to abide by laws and rules. but what happens when the rules are disregarded? how long is the state allowed to respond? what is the acceptable threshhold of dead bodies for you liberals? the state failed, not only by not responding instantaneously, but by preventing citizens from defending themselves in an appropriate and legal manner.

Every citizen does not qualify as a police officer (for this is surely what you imply) and cannot be expected to possess the training and decision making skills that constitues a police officer.

BWAHAHAHAHA. find where we said everyone has to be a police officer. you are so full of shit you have to present an "argument" we never made. every citizen doesn't have to qualify as a police officer, just as a MARKSMAN - or at the bare minimum, a qualified user of a firearm. and what the hell decision has to be made in this case? to return fire or not? to protect the lives of fellow students, teachers and self or let everyone be slaughtered? you want to talk about ridiculous words? read your last paragraph - you are truly softer than baby shit.

The Virginia Tech tragidy was a random, isolated incident, something analogous to the crash of an airliner--not a pandemic. We don't seriously consider banning air travel when a plane goes down and, for the same reason, we shouldn't give way to the chimerial hysteria of the gun-nut lobby on those rare occasions when a madman with a gun makes himself known.

ah, but when an airliner goes down, there are hearings to determine where the error lies or cause of crash originated. in this case, VT officials declared the campus a gun free zone and in 2005, actually initiated disciplinary proceedings against a student who was authorized by the state to carry a weapon and did so on a state supported campus. so the obvious error in this case is that gun bans didn't work and the offender disregarded signs to that effect. as to your "isolated incident" argument, tornadoes are isolated incidents, yet we still have sirens, run drills and people build storm shelters. again we ask, what is the acceptable level of dead bodies for you when the state fails in its "duty" to the citizenry?

Stay safe.

we will - we're armed - all the time.

you know what your problem is? You and your ilk are too willing to surrender your individual rights and liberties to the nanny state. you expect the state to solve all your problems. you fail to realize that the state is subservient to the citizen, not the other way around. we are the state. the state gains its power from the CONSENT of the governed. and we maintain that consent by remaining armed, plain and simple.

4/17/2007 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that he left a note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances. Citing identified sources, the Tribune said he had recently shown troubling signs, including setting a fire in a dorm room and stalking some women.

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What a bunch of shit. They didn't kick this kid out of school for arson or stalking.

This guy just shot up your school killing 32 innocent people and based on fuking ethics you won't realese his grades and journals, typical liberal bullshit.

4/17/2007 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading months of postings, I have come to this conclusion: The college system in this country is turning out illiterates.

There is lousy spelling, no syntax, violations of basic rules of grammar as well as just not being able to convey your ideas in the written word.

I know there isn't spell check on the blog, but haven't you guys ever heard of a dictionary? That is what we did in the old days of Smith Corona typewriters

Some idiot on the Olympic topic spelled Coup as Coo. I bet your supervisor has a field day with you.

I am one of the few Sergeants around who will bounce a report back for grammar, spelling, neatness, et cetera. It will save you embarrassment in the future at a trial or deposition.

College is not needed for POs, a brain and common sense is--that is sorely lacking these days.

I'm glad I'm out of here in a few.

4/17/2007 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the gunman had instead loaded Rosie O'Donnell onto a large cargo plane and dropped her on 32 students, crushing all of them to death, would we then outlaw Rosie?

4/17/2007 01:07:00 AM

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Her fat ass would have killed hundreds of innocent people.

4/17/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The shooter bought his gun legally. Glad he had a gun card! Also, the guns in the other recent school shootings (Columbine and Minnesota) were purchased legally ( none were burglary proceeds either) at some point, none were brought into the country illegaly. I'm a complete conservative regarding most issues but obviously a lib-tard regarding every untrained moron in the world being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

4/17/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all you officers who dont carry off duty for a host of reasons, think again.
My father carried throwing the garbage out. I carry playing golf, going to chucrh and everwhere else.
We never know when the wolf will strike. Be prepared. Stay alert stay alive.
This will happen again.
Strict gun laws or even banning guns wont work.
Drugs are banned and still they flood in.
Guns would flood in and only criminals would get them.

4/17/2007 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This case is the perfect proof of "When guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns." The people who ask "How could this happen here?" should stop waiting for Santa (Nanny State) & wake up. A college campus; bastion of American Liberalism; a "Gun Free Zone" by fiat; 26,000 acres populated by 26,000 perfectly helpless victims, who live in a bubble and actually believe that they are safe from human tragedy. Turned out to be the absolutely perfect location; none better. A virtual game preserve for the homicidal. Add a crazy Korean kook to this soup and you get spontaneous combustion.
"We knew that he was 'troubled'".
Crazy writings, stalking females, starting a fire in a dorm- He was a Fucking NUT!! But in an extremely liberal P.C. environment like a University, Fucking NUTS THRIVE! Little to stop them from going off the deep end because peer pressure to conform doesn't work on a lone wolf.
Then there is the 40 man "Campus Police Force". Proven useless doorknob shakers. Hire some real off duty cops, or if you want your own force, recruit heavily from ex-Marines and Airborne veterans, preferably those with combat experience, they know how to execute a quick and coordinated response to REAL incidents. Because this ain't nearly over yet!

4/17/2007 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This unfortunately only the beginning. Lt Grossman was right, schools are prime targets. It is a shame these kids were at the prime of their lives. I only hope that this horrible incident prompts all lawmakers to understand that there is a need for more law enforcement officers on the street understand that this is the world we live in. Instead of constantly attacking the police in the media they should be giving them the resources and support they need to prevent these tragedies.

4/17/2007 02:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of gun control issues, how about shutting down our borders completely. This goof moved to the U.S. in 1992 from South Korea. Now he is responsible for the biggest masacre in history!

4/17/2007 02:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Clarence Worley said...

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

4/17/2007 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another immigrant has fucked up this country.

4/17/2007 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AS I recall, an incident that occurred here in Chicago about 2 years (or less) ago. 4 Chicago officers were in a grocery store, while one was effecting an arrest.
The arrestee pulled a gun, and 2 of these "well trained" officers
(fresh out intense firearms training at the Academy)...simply cut and ran. One lone officer was able to finish the job. Out of 4.
Sorry, Scc, but if these trained officers didn't know what or how to defend themselves, how well do you believe the average citizen would be at it? Probably would perform even worse. I doubt if numerous "concealed carry" college students would have prevented much of the the Virginia bloodshed. Your argument just doesn't hold much water.

4/17/2007 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

think about it, if this guy, [just barely old enough to be called an adult] can't be stopped before he kills 30+ people with a couple of handguns, what shape is this whole countries law enforcement agencies, etc; in to stop heavily terrorists ?

4/17/2007 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of U.S.persons in possession of firearms are law abiding citizens, and that only an extremely small amount of persons use ANY type of firearm unlawfully. The old gun-control arguement defies proven statistics and logic. All states in the USA with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of gun related crime.

4/17/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Blogger Angelfire Blackwolf said...

Coming from the perspective of someone who lives in a country that has strict gun laws (The Uk) this kind of incident and argument boggles the mind.

Thing is, I don't think one simple measure is going to reduce these types of crime. Yes, more strict gun control may be part of a solution, but it will not be the entire solution. Neither will allowing people the freedom to carry a gun be the entire solution, as an alternative.

It's not a clear cut matter. Here in the UK there are less incidents such as this for the simple reason that guns are harder to get for the average citizen.... Criminals and gangs still shoot each other up though, despite this. However it's less likely that a normal depressed person will grab their gun and go nuts.

Our strict gun control didn't prevent dunblaine, nor has it prevented the recent london shootings of teenagers. Whilst it may have prevented more of these incidents occuring we can never tell, however just looking at the gun aspect alone is really short sighted.

4/17/2007 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CONTROL THE AMMO! If you do a full stop on ammo sales down the road the shooting will end. Police get their ration of ammo from their employer. Never mind target shooting, take up golf or radio control airplane flying.

4/17/2007 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason we became the police is to come between the innocent and those who would do them harm.

Not every freshman should get a concealed carry permit. A crime record free, competent adult, who can pass a test and a student or teacher there could have ended this tragedy earlier.

The U. of I. Chicago, called the Chicago Circle Campus, in the late 1960's did have a rifle range with .22s was available for students. The anti-war and anti-gun P.C. folks closed that down. Thanks to Richard M. Daley the Chicago Military Academy at Bronzeville has from day one, banned the basic tool of the soldier from the campus.

Self-defense is a basic right, and cannot be left to the thinly stretched blue line.

God Bless those harmed at V-Tech. We must do the best we can here to prevent a similar event here.

4/17/2007 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4/17/2007 10:29:00 AM,

Hey Mr. Soft-As-Shit,

Not every policeman qualifies as police material-just ask the family of Rondayle White. Or you be like my family, sequestered in the nether regions of Bt. #1611 far away from any prompt police response. A firearm in the hands of a ten-year-old might have even saved lives yesterday. Do the world a favor-bite your gun, or go back to the barricaded streets of Oak Park and hide from reality.

4/17/2007 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real Question: Does our SVIP cover colleges in the City? This question was asked at work and I got several different responses. Thanks

4/17/2007 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, Bravo!

However I know your words are going in Lib-turds one ear and out the other.

Liberals believe that talking and hugging will solve all of the worlds
ills.

People like Lib-turd does
not understand that one trained person with a handgun could have kept
the shooter occupied until the cavalry arrives. Lib-turd doesn't
know that this will mitigate the casualties.

So SCC, as I know you will, do and most other LEO's will do, carry off duty, and be ready to protect our family and friends.

Stay Safe.

4/17/2007 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous the Virginian said...

Not sure that any police department in America would have done better. 12 or 40 or 100 officers run or roll up on a large building with gunfire clearly emanating from within. Not knowing what they face (and presuming that they recognized the sound of gunfire even only as the sounds of pistols), they don't run in until the assess the situation.

Picture this in Chicago.

Someone walks into a school and walks up to the second floor. Enters a classroom and starts shooting. Students start calling 9-1-1. You could have the best POs in the city (say in 007) swarm, and its still gonna be 60 120 seconds until a full complement is assembled. Another 60 or 120 seconds for the calls to get made and for the calltakers to answer and process the initial calls.

So perhaps 4 minutes until even the lightly armed blue swarm arrives.

And the doors are chained from the inside, assuming the Chicago POs even try the doors.

Now what?

The whole time, your shooter is emptying 30 rounds ever 90 or 120 seconds.

Your SWAT (former HBT) team is a minimum of 30 minutes out. A single heavy weapons car may be within 10 minutes, and perhaps by a miracle within 1 minute.

Still, how long before Chicago, or anyone gets inside?

Who would have breached without evaluating for 1 or 2 minutes? How do you know what you are even facing without taking the time to evaluate?

So to the clown above criticizing the officers (from numerous SW Virginia jurisdictions) who responded, you tell me what you would have done after the first report. You tell me how you would have saved the day in your deluded mind.

This has nothing to do with a poor police response, whether in SW Virginia, at Columbine, or anywhere else.

This has everything to do with trying to create a gun-free zone by fiat... in the midst of a nation awash in guns.

The idea of a gun-free campus zone in Virginia or anywhere else is insane. The idea that the police are going to come save your ass is just as insane.

At the end of the day, you are on your own in this country. And if there is a single one of you out there wearing a police uniform in Chicago who does not understand that by now, and who does not understand by now that the Chicago gun "ban" does not work, than please tell me how more than ten thousand Chicagoans have been murdered by gunfire in the last 20 years.

4/17/2007 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A good Police Officer runs to the sound of gun fire (not without caution). The average citizen will run from gun fire. How many HBT situations did we have before we had an HBT Team? Not many. The real police handled these situations without headlines or glory.

4/17/2007 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that most of these shootings, these mass murders, occur in "gun free zones"? I can't ever remember hearing about some nut barging into a gun show, for instance, and killing a number of people. I wonder why? Most likely it is because if one tried this at a gun show the shooter wouldn't make it 5 feet through the door.

4/17/2007 06:39:00 PM  
Blogger Murphy40Pct said...

Coldtype, you forget that the right to bear arms was a founding principle of this country. Why? Because there are bad people in the world. People who want to trample on your freedom. It would be great if we lived in that made up world of yours and your pseudointellectual liberal friends, where everyone loves each other. We don't. If I dropped you in the middle of the looting in Katrina, or the shooting at V.T., or the L.A. Riots (and you were white)-would you prefer to be armed or unarmed? Now ask yourself why.

4/17/2007 06:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Chris Morton said...

" CONTROL THE AMMO! If you do a full stop on ammo sales down the road the shooting will end."

Really? After I get done cleaning my K-38 tonight, I'll be loading another two or three HUNDRED rounds of .38 Special. I have enough components to last me at least until Christmas... in THAT caliber.

If you don't know anything about firearms, don't embarass yourself by proving it in writing.

Gun control worked perfectly at Va Tech. It ensured that the murderer would have an unlimited supply of unarmed, helpless victims. Would somebody with a CCW have guaranteed that this beast would have been stopped? No. But I guess some people just prefer the dead certainty of victimization without resistance. When I was a kid, we called those people "cowards".

4/17/2007 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous all 10 amendments said...

angelfire blackwolf
Do you read your own press? Use your search engine and search English crime rates. I think you'll be suprised. Here's just one link
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/gun_control_part2.htm

4/17/2007 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two things:
1. I see the news media and their reaction- what about the marines and soldiers in Iraq? They put up with violence every day? I guess the well to do college kids are not supposed to be so exposed to this violence.
2. If this had happened two weeks ago, IMUS would be commenting about it on his how.

The News Media are whores.

4/17/2007 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OLD SCHOOL SAYS: To 12:31 it is now coming out that jerkoff used a non de plume, it sounds like an Arabic name to me, what a coincidence

Im retired after 35 years, and I have been invilved in a couple school shootings, we went in we did not wait. Why? That used to be the job description, save lives, protect property, I think it changed when we were not looking

Im IROC I think that if that jagbag started his stuff I would have shot him, unless he got me first. Instead of pointing fingers we should teach people3 that when your cornered and outgunned, it is time to attack.

Nobody really knows shit about anything anymore, our common sense went down the same river as our balls, a guy yesterday calling himself a school security "Expert", what a pack of whores we have to swim with, whores, whores, whores.

I think Daley is coming unglued over the gun thing, stay armed, stay calm, stay alive. God bless all my good blue family.

4/17/2007 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure right......imagine if you can all of the students at Kennedy-King or Harold Washington armed.
SCC get a life.

4/17/2007 08:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From a PPO. Thank you to all the old timers for taking the time to show us new guys how to do this job. We have the dick heads in my district that look down on us because we are new but of course they are the ones that don't do anything or act scared when they don't know what case report to fill out. Enough of that rant. The coppers with time on the job that takes the time to show us how it's done is much appreciated. It is funny seeing the dickheads look at a computer and type with one finger. LOL. Time to get ready for work. Not too windy tonight, just need a little hair gel.

4/17/2007 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Sure right......imagine if you can all of the students at Kennedy-King or Harold Washington armed.
SCC get a life.


Um, dumbass? Most of them ARE armed already.

And try a few reading comprehension courses - see the parts where we've said "sensible" Concealed Carry or "qualified" individuals? Try to keep up here.

4/17/2007 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody hear about the copper from 009 that was charged with agg assault and dui who was off duty after he was drunk and chased a black man around 14 and was almost shot by the police?

4/17/2007 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous A COP AND NRA GUY said...

Well, the gun bashing has started.
Would it have been better if he used a bomb-belt and blew up 60 people like al queda does?

4/17/2007 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO THE VIRGINIAN:

I love your comments, post more often! Your starting to sound like your old self, Spiero.............

4/17/2007 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Australia's prime minister, or bloke in charge or whatever he's called had to put in his 2 cents.
He blamed everything on our "gun culture".
He needs to be reminded that hundreds of HIS citizens were maimed & killed in Bali by al queda bombs. He should mind his own f*k'n business, and worry about
the muslims that are raping Aussie
women!!!!

4/17/2007 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago Police officer ordered women to ‘flash me’
By admin | Related entries in General stupidity


A Chicago Police officer is to appear in court accused of ordering women during two separate traffic stops to flash him and, in one case, to “do a little dance” without her panties.

Mike Allegretti, who works in the Albany Park District, was charged Thursday with bribery and official misconduct, a law enforcement source said.

The incidents occurred in November 2004 and May 2005, the source said.

4/17/2007 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CONTROL THE AMMO! If you do a full stop on ammo sales down the road the shooting will end. Police get their ration of ammo from their employer. Never mind target shooting, take up golf or radio control airplane flying.

4/17/2007 03:29:00 PM
Hey Asshole..The only thing seperating us from traffic aides is the ability to use deadly force to enforce the law. Your suggestion to take up golf instead of target shooting is what got us into a dismal shot/hit ratio. This is like telling a race car driver to only drive on the track and use public transportation all other times. So the short answer is..Fuck no, you take up golf and remember that when something bad happens.

4/17/2007 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous true blue said...

Lawdy!

So good to see those two nasty hos--Madeline "Black Panther" Haithcock and Dorothy "The Hat" Tillman--out on their stanky asses.

Burn in Hell, "Chairman Fred"!

R.I.P.: John Gilhooly and Frank Rappaport

4/17/2007 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ghetto ass Tillman...gone.
Cop Hating Haithcock...gone.
Englewood criminal Coleman...gone.
Foie Gras Moore...gone.

THERE IS A GOD!!!

4/17/2007 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous sheepdog said...

Mandatory Reading for All Liberals:

"On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs" by U.S. Army Ret. Lt. Col Dave Grossman.

GOOGLE the TITLE and "Grossman" to Read, fellow SHEEPDOGS!

4/17/2007 10:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anybody hear about the copper from 009 that was charged with agg assault and dui who was off duty after he was drunk and chased a black man around 14 and was almost shot by the police?

4/17/2007 08:19:00 PM

----------------------------
No, but thanks for the useless RAT info. It is so nice to ponder on a brothers faults and bring them up for all to judge. Rat

4/17/2007 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard that on sat. a few offduty coppers were at a rooftop fundraiser to honor fallen officer from 011th dist. while walking to another bar after the game, one p.o had a closed can of beer in his hand when some asshat, 019th dist foot guy, p.o. Heeley grabbed the offduty p.o by the arm screaming and motherf%^&ing him. when they stated they were offduty and complied with him he said he didnt give a shit who they were and attempted to cuff one of the p.o.'s and throw him against the car. Eventually the confrontation ended in front of a small crowd, without incident. Good job 019th dist warrior, thats all we need right now, is another black eye.

4/17/2007 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sean Flynn could of stopped the shooter!

4/17/2007 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The shooter bought his gun legally. Glad he had a gun card! Also, the guns in the other recent school shootings (Columbine and Minnesota) were purchased legally ( none were burglary proceeds either) at some point, none were brought into the country illegaly. I'm a complete conservative regarding most issues but obviously a lib-tard regarding every untrained moron in the world being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

4/17/2007 01:49:00 PM


Typical Liberal stupidity post

1) There are no "gun cards" you retard in Virginia. That is an Illinois thing similar to felony review.

2)The Colombine weapons were ILLEGAL to be possessed by minors.

3) Yes YOU are a not only a lib-tard, but an ignorant uninformed stupid lib-tard.

The states that have concealed carry also have this thing that liberals hate. These are called STANDARDS which must be met to obtain the CC right.

In addition, as AMERICAN citizens we have the right to keep and bear arms. So, if you want to live in a gun free society move to Canada you asshole.

4/17/2007 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, has anyone heard if two supervisors, from S.O.S have been indicted in the Finnegan scandal

4/17/2007 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong Again Libtards! This was not the biggest masacre in history, nor was this the biggest masacre in school history.

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people and injured 58.

Most of the victims were children in second to sixth grades attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others.

What made things worse was that during the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.

AMAZING! Another tragedy that would not be stopped by babyboomer feel good gun restrictions. You libs are worthless. Go look it up.

4/17/2007 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this happen in Chicago they would respond by making the school a DOC and conduct countless seatbelt missions.
Yeah, thats the ticket.

4/18/2007 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When are these asshat, "we can create a Utopia and life could be perfect if..." politicians going to wake up and realize that gun laws only apply to law-abiding citizens? Criminals couldn't care less about laws.

Also, the politicians have NO RIGHT to infringe on a citizen's right to keep and bear arms. Read the Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about "certain types of weapons are illegal".

4/18/2007 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SVIP plan is only for grammer and highshool. Not for city colleges or universities.

4/18/2007 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

Sorry coldtype, but we aren't publishing your drivel today. You fail to address any of our arguments save the conclusion and take up too much space doing that.

We addressed (and destroyed) your entire response piece by piece. We pointed out your specious claims and requested you back them with facts - you failed miserably and declined to cite even a single example to back your assertions.

You insist on tying in your Bush Derangement Syndrome to every single post. You continue to attribute the argument that you want to defend to our posts rather than address the facts we actually present.

Frankly, we're sick of it. And as you have no expectation of actually being published here, we're going to fulfill that expectation. You can go cry about censorship all you want and whine to the universe at large, but congratulations on being part of the 3% of comments that never make it to the site.

4/18/2007 01:33:00 AM  
Blogger Schicklegroover said...

Angelfire Blackwolf said...
Thing is, I don't think one simple measure is going to reduce these types of crime. Yes, more strict gun control may be part of a solution, but it will not be the entire solution. Neither will allowing people the freedom to carry a gun be the entire solution, as an alternative.
***************
You are correct but we don’t need a solution to be perfect. The "perfect solution" fallacy assumes that there is a perfect solution to a problem, and that anything short of that solution must therefore be rejected. People on both sides of this issue use this technique, ad hominem attacks, argument from authority, tautologies, etc. to push their agenda. Rationale has fled this society long ago.

4/18/2007 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Build massive prisons in the desert and put all gun offenders in prison for life for breaking laws already on the books. Sounds extreme but it is the only way to get to the heart of the problem. We've all had cases of an offender walking down the street with a loaded gun looking to shoot someone and the courts give them a slap on the hand and ask them to promise not to do it again. I liked the one idea above of revoking the LINK program for UUW's. Also why can a person on green card status buy a gun, I do have a problem with that. Along those lines why must we give the same rights to non citizen who are in this country legally or illegally. They should have limited rights and be subject to search/questioning for any number of reasons.

4/18/2007 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Australia's prime minister, or bloke in charge or whatever he's called had to put in his 2 cents.
He blamed everything on our "gun culture".
He needs to be reminded that hundreds of HIS citizens were maimed & killed in Bali by al queda bombs. He should mind his own f*k'n business, and worry about
the muslims that are raping Aussie
women!!!!

He is actually the Prime Minister In Austrailia, and one of our biggest supporters......

4/18/2007 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard that on sat. a few offduty coppers were at a rooftop fundraiser to honor fallen officer from 011th dist. while walking to another bar after the game, one p.o had a closed can of beer in his hand when some asshat, 019th dist foot guy, p.o. Heeley grabbed the offduty p.o by the arm screaming and motherf%^&ing him. when they stated they were offduty and complied with him he said he didnt give a shit who they were and attempted to cuff one of the p.o.'s and throw him against the car. Eventually the confrontation ended in front of a small crowd, without incident. Good job 019th dist warrior, thats all we need right now, is another black eye.

Way to go 019th District warrior? how about way to go of duty drunk? anybody else out there gets grabbed for having a beer in his hand, so smarten up with this off duty drinking shit already, put it in your pocket or better yet wait till you get where your going before cracking one open; you sound like most of the assholes on the street who blame the police when their siblings fuck up. You guys better wise up with this drinking shit already.....

4/18/2007 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To:

Anonymous said...

SVIP plan is only for grammer and highshool. Not for city colleges or universities.

4/18/2007 01:27:00 AM

Where on this or any other planet is the above written?

The SVIP plan is practiced for schools due to fact that schools
have been the targets of these attacks most recently. Also, schools offer higher concentrations of "targets" then do most other
gathering places.

Hopefully all P.O's carry to church, they too are prime targets.

That being said, the SVIP plan can be applied to any location with an active shooter.

Try thinking out of the box.

Stay safe!

4/18/2007 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The shooter bought his gun legally. Glad he had a gun card! Also, the guns in the other recent school shootings (Columbine and Minnesota) were purchased legally ( none were burglary proceeds either) at some point, none were brought into the country illegally. I'm a complete conservative regarding most issues but obviously a lib-tard regarding every untrained moron in the world being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

4/17/2007 01:49:00 PM


Typical Liberal stupidity post

1) There are no "gun cards" you retard in Virginia. That is an Illinois thing similar to felony review.

2)The Colombine weapons were ILLEGAL to be possessed by minors.

3) Yes YOU are a not only a lib-tard, but an ignorant uninformed stupid lib-tard.

The states that have concealed carry also have this thing that liberals hate. These are called STANDARDS which must be met to obtain the CC right.

In addition, as AMERICAN citizens we have the right to keep and bear arms. So, if you want to live in a gun free society move to Canada you asshole.

4/17/2007 11:20:00 PM


Pay attention gun-tard! I used the term "gun card" to express the fact that he purchased the guns legally! The fact that I have a life , prevents me from memorizing (and even wanting to)the gun purchasing procedures of all 50 states. Also, if your reading ability extended beyond Soldier of Fortune magazine, you would see that I said that the guns used in Columbine etc. had been originally purchased legally not that the users had a legal right to them.
Just like a typical Gun-Tard , you are semi informed and see only what you want to see in my post. Plus twisting the founding fathers ideas of the right to bear arms is ridiculous. I don't believe that the founding fathers all walked around the 13 colonies strapped. The right to bear arms refers to the ability to have arms owned and available to citizens in order to fight a tyrannical government or form a militia. Answer this, where did all these guns the criminals possess come from? Where they made in a clandestine lab or smuggled over the border or were they bought some 300lb. guy named Billy Bob, at a gun show wearing an NRA patch.

4/18/2007 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually turd, the founding fathers did walk around, strapped as you put it, all the time. muskets were carried to and from church, to and from the store, to and from meetings. every residence, building and church had gun racks in which to stack the muskets should a sudden indian attack occur. churches were built to double as fortresses in the event of a seige.

4/18/2007 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't surprise me if a copper from 009 got charged Agg. Assault? Believe me, we see the retards on the other side of Garfield fucking up everything under the sun. Non-policing motherfuckers! They are all loose cannons with clout in their back pockets. Even their DC is a total whackjob. He puts his dick into every female copper he can and doesn't think his shit stinks? How many marriages has he destroyed with his prick?
009 is the joke of the Southside. It will always be clout baby heaven and never taken seriously as a REAL working district. 007 on the otherhand will always be the baddest dist in the Southside! You gotta be a real man to be an Englewood Ranger!

ENGLEWOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!

007 copper

4/18/2007 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To all you officers who dont carry off duty for a host of reasons, think again.
My father carried throwing the garbage out. I carry playing golf, going to chucrh and everwhere else.
We never know when the wolf will strike. Be prepared. Stay alert stay alive.
This will happen again.
Strict gun laws or even banning guns wont work.
Drugs are banned and still they flood in.
Guns would flood in and only criminals would get them.

4/17/2007 01:50:00 PM

There has never been a recorded incident where a wolf attacked and killed a police officer either armed or unarmed despite their nasty reputation. There has never been an incident where an unarmed off-duty police officer was killed either taking out the garbage or while golfing.

It would be much safer if we spent our time taking out the garbage or golfing instead of getting in drunken incidents with other police officers or citizens.

4/18/2007 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody hear about the copper from 009 that was charged with agg assault and dui who was off duty after he was drunk and chased a black man around 14 and was almost shot by the police?
**********

That was a while ago.

4/18/2007 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
actually turd, the founding fathers did walk around, strapped as you put it, all the time. muskets were carried to and from church, to and from the store, to and from meetings. every residence, building and church had gun racks in which to stack the muskets should a sudden indian attack occur. churches were built to double as fortresses in the event of a seige.

4/18/2007 10:23:00 AM

In the cities, post Constitution,doubtful? Did you ever notice that the guys who have tons of guns a.)Live with mommy b.)Are dominated by their wives?
Got to go, I think I hear an Indian attack!

4/18/2007 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anybody hear about the copper from 009 that was charged with agg assault and dui who was off duty after he was drunk and chased a black man around 14 and was almost shot by the police?
4/17/2007 08:19:00 PM
##################################
Shut the FVCK up and mind your own business.
That happened over two yrs ago.
Obviously, his case if over and he is back to work.
He is a good copper. Caught up in some off duty BS.
He is on the straight and narrow now SO LEAVE IT ALONE.
(would like all of your indiscretions aired on the WWW? - ASSWIPE)

4/18/2007 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Chris Morton said...

"In the cities, post Constitution,doubtful? Did you ever notice that the guys who have tons of guns a.)Live with mommy b.)Are dominated by their wives?
Got to go, I think I hear an Indian attack!

4/18/2007 01:39:00 PM"
I've noticed that the guys who're afraid of guns:

1. Are freaks who claim to be afraid that a woman will 'mistake' them for a rapist and shoot them. How is it that you act around women that you think that'll happen? Here's a plan: Put down that butcher knife, pull up your pants and go home.

2. Are inbred, drooling racists and anti-Semites who are afraid that the Mossad is hiding under their beds, and are bitter that the Learned Elders of Zion engineered a byzantine conspiracy to keep them from getting that good job at the gas station.

3. Incompetent cowards, unwilling and unable to defend themselves who need to subsume their own sniveling spinelessness into a greater mass of fawning servility toward bloodthirsty monsters.

4. Secretly (and not so secretly) envy monsters like Cho and Ted Bundy, wishing they had the nerve to do what their heroes do.

Just admit that that little maggot Cho turns you on the way that Richard "Nightstalker" Ramirez turns on the whacked out broads who send him undergarments and marriage proposals.

PS - I've got a house full of guns and ammunition, more coming all the time, and there's not a thing in the world you can do about it.

4/18/2007 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To:
4/18/2007 10:02:00 AM

So we should still be living by 16th century
standards. You appear to
have incredible knowledge of the founding fathers
real intentions.

Which is it? Did the fore fathers think the citizens should own guns or not. If it is not, then who would have guns for the citizens to utilize for either of your reasons?
The government?
That sounds a lot like the fox guarding the hen house.

Luckily the Supreme court
has not repealed the 2nd amendment.
In fact, the federal court of appeals for DC recently overturned the
handgun ban there.

Got to go. I have to clean my guns.

4/18/2007 04:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know SCC, the anti-gunners are correct. If ALL guns and ammo are banned nationwide all gun violence will end. If you don't believe it look at DRUGS. It is ILLEGAL and BANNED almost everywhere in the world. You can see there isn't a drug problem any longer. Can't find any drugs or drug users. The Drug problem has been solved. So lighten up on the anti-gunners as they KNOW they are right.
Yea right--Same people that want to punish Police and victims, but think criminals are just being oppressed, and can be "rehabilitated". Victims and citizens have no rights BUT the criminals have.
Now they are all upset that the shooter was crazy, but these are the same people that when a crazy person is caught, they can't be held accountable because they are crazy. The way I look at it, if they are that crazy, they have no reason to be alive, so execute them. Will never contribute to society and can't be rehabilated.

4/18/2007 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous clark st.bouncer said...

Holy Christ Healy that foot guy blows all kind of shit out of proportion, wake up healy and stop being a prick, you could talk to people w/out being an arrogant jago**. Remembering a fallen officer and you dont care...do you know whats its like to have a partner, do you know whats its like to have a partner killed in a car accident on duty, probably not because nobody in their right mind can deal w/your mr.tuff guy im a footman on clark st. attitude. you will never follow the footsteps of past footmen on clark st. and you know who im talkin about. those guys would never ever disrespect another policeman especially in a time like that. coppers like you really give this job a bad fu**ing name.

4/18/2007 06:02:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

To 4/18/07 12:53

I am not sure if there was ever a policeman actually killed while unarmed, taking out the garbage, but I can tell you this one, from personal experience...
My FTO in 1991 in the 006th District was shot and critically wounded while taking out the garbage at his house, unarmed, on his day off. Local dope fiend was high, but the high was wearing off, and he needed money, so he saw an opportunity. FTO was shot once in the stomach, and graze wound on side of head. One more inch over, and yes, he would be dead. My watch commander at the time (Captain Wacko from 006 in the 90's) pulled me into the office the day after, and told me everything. Yes, that convinced me that it can happen at any time, to anyone, including you.
I pray that you change your mind and see things from our eyes. Nobody out here on this board is interested in starting trouble, but we will end it if called upon. We swore an oath to serve and protect, and we are held to that oath, both on and off duty, by police department rules and regulations. The vast majority of policemen take that extremely seriously.
Whoever you are (I am assuming you are not the police), I personally invite you to request to be a ride along in a squad car for a tour of duty, preferably on afternoons or midnights so you can see what a busy time looks like. If you are interested, please leave me a response here on this board, and I will make the arrangements to work in the police district closest to your residence. Maybe then you will understand the midset of a policeman. It is not paranoia, as some people think. It is a state of constant awareness, ready to react as needed at any time.

4/18/2007 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the cities, post Constitution,doubtful? Did you ever notice that the guys who have tons of guns a.)Live with mommy b.)Are dominated by their wives?
Got to go, I think I hear an Indian attack!

4/18/2007 01:39:00 PM

DEFINITION OF A LIBERAL: SOMEONE SO OPEN MINDED THEIR BRAIN FELL OUT.

NOTICE THAT THE GUYS WITHOUT GUNS A.) ARE VICTIMS
B.) CALL GUYS WITH GUNS TO PROTECT THERE SILLY NANNY ASSES!
GOT TO GO, I AM LEADING AN INDIAN ATTACK! HEARD THERE'S AN UNARMED PALEFACE LIBERAL! EASY PREY, BUT TASTE LIKE SHIT!

4/18/2007 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW You guys once again show how you can take one subject and segue into your nomal racist bullshit. Blah, Blah, Blah. How great it is to see a bunch a dumb assed M/2 police in Virginia trying to cover their asses. Great to get a break from the retard M/2 President, bullshiting the public about his lying foriegn policy. Need a draft so his drucken daughters can earn their keep. Maybe the next generation of Chicago residents can really get lucky and Daley's kid will get offed in Iran. Cline got his colon reamed on the 5th flr. Blah, Blah, the point is the whole tamale is screwed up, the fact that you clowns are the thin blue line is scary. Stop taking joy in negativity about people who don't look like you or think like you. It's known as narrow-minded.

4/18/2007 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh, SCC,
Most of the students at Harold Washington or Kennedy King are armed?
How do you know this? is it because they're black? Is your hood and sheets finally showing ?Or are you just being sarcastic?
What about the milquetoasts at Wright or Daley Colleges ? Are they armed too?
As criminal minded as the students at Kennedy King or Harold Washington may be, as least they're not stupid enough to attend a school named after the progenitor of Chicago's most criminally inept mayor, Richard" dicks the police " Daley.
Asshats. By the way, to you closet nazis that celebrate the defeat the of those two worthless alderthings Half-cocked and Swillman, read Robert Cooley's books to see what he has to say about Bernie " head of " Stone and the two Eddies. Blacks don't have a moratorium on stupid corrupt politicians, particularly alderthings.

4/18/2007 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anybody hear about the copper from 009 that was charged with agg assault and dui who was off duty after he was drunk and chased a black man around 14 and was almost shot by the police?
**********

That was a while ago.

4/18/2007 01:34:00 PM

--------------------------------
yea like a year ago

4/19/2007 12:41:00 AM  
Blogger dilligaf said...

"Uh, SCC,
Most of the students at Harold Washington or Kennedy King are armed?
How do you know this? is it because they're black? Is your hood and sheets finally showing ?Or are you just being sarcastic?
What about the milquetoasts at Wright or Daley Colleges ? Are they armed too?
As criminal minded as the students at Kennedy King or Harold Washington may be, as least they're not stupid enough to attend a school named after the progenitor of Chicago's most criminally inept mayor, Richard" dicks the police " Daley.
Asshats. By the way, to you closet nazis that celebrate the defeat the of those two worthless alderthings Half-cocked and Swillman, read Robert Cooley's books to see what he has to say about Bernie " head of " Stone and the two Eddies. Blacks don't have a moratorium on stupid corrupt politicians, particularly alderthings."

I'm not here to praise SCC, only to .... I know they are adult enough to take on your arguments, unsubstantiated and misguided but you took the time to vent. I do take issue with anyone calling me a "closet nazi" because I did crack open a cold one when I saw who lost their respective aldermanic races. Yellow, black, white or fusia, if they are incompetent, they gone! That does not make anyone a "closet" anything, in and of itself. Trust me as soon as Banks and Lavar are out of office, I will buy the first round.

Let me axe you a question? Does the University of Notre Dame, or Depaul, or say North Western offer GED courses? The answer is NO. All the fine institutions of higher learning that you made mention of DO. I've taken my child to one of the offered preschool classes at one of them, and I did not see one metal detector in the place. The majority of offenders that I have arrested, surprisingly are not Rhodes scholars. It is what it is.

And as for the white fellars that you mentioned, they know where the bodies are buried, otherwise they would have been in the pen a long time ago.

It's okay to give up the guilt that you have been haboring.

4/19/2007 03:06:00 AM  
Blogger dilligaf said...

"PS - I've got a house full of guns and ammunition, more coming all the time, and there's not a thing in the world you can do about it."

Hey chris m. the sound of your garbage being ransacked is not a raccoon, it's the A2GT doing a pull on it. Get ready for a CI warrant. You made me lmao.

4/19/2007 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comparing drugs to guns is not quite the same. Drugs like weed, heroin and cocaine are plant matter. Firearms require a tool shop to build. To make powder and primers from scratch would be difficult. Weed is very easy to produce, guns are not.....

4/19/2007 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dilligaf said...
"Uh, SCC,
Most of the students at Harold Washington or Kennedy King are armed?
How do you know this? is it because they're black? Is your hood and sheets finally showing ?Or are you just being sarcastic?
What about the milquetoasts at Wright or Daley Colleges ? Are they armed too?
As criminal minded as the students at Kennedy King or Harold Washington may be, as least they're not stupid enough to attend a school named after the progenitor of Chicago's most criminally inept mayor, Richard" dicks the police " Daley.
Asshats. By the way, to you closet nazis that celebrate the defeat the of those two worthless alderthings Half-cocked and Swillman, read Robert Cooley's books to see what he has to say about Bernie " head of " Stone and the two Eddies. Blacks don't have a moratorium on stupid corrupt politicians, particularly alderthings."

I'm not here to praise SCC, only to .... I know they are adult enough to take on your arguments, unsubstantiated and misguided but you took the time to vent. I do take issue with anyone calling me a "closet nazi" because I did crack open a cold one when I saw who lost their respective aldermanic races. Yellow, black, white or fusia, if they are incompetent, they gone! That does not make anyone a "closet" anything, in and of itself. Trust me as soon as Banks and Lavar are out of office, I will buy the first round.

Let me axe you a question? Does the University of Notre Dame, or Depaul, or say North Western offer GED courses? The answer is NO. All the fine institutions of higher learning that you made mention of DO. I've taken my child to one of the offered preschool classes at one of them, and I did not see one metal detector in the place. The majority of offenders that I have arrested, surprisingly are not Rhodes scholars. It is what it is.

And as for the white fellars that you mentioned, they know where the bodies are buried, otherwise they would have been in the pen a long time ago.

It's okay to give up the guilt that you have been haboring.

4/19/2007 03:06:00 AM


dilligaf said...
"Uh, SCC,
Most of the students at Harold Washington or Kennedy King are armed?
How do you know this? is it because they're black? Is your hood and sheets finally showing ?Or are you just being sarcastic?
What about the milquetoasts at Wright or Daley Colleges ? Are they armed too?
As criminal minded as the students at Kennedy King or Harold Washington may be, as least they're not stupid enough to attend a school named after the progenitor of Chicago's most criminally inept mayor, Richard" dicks the police " Daley.
Asshats. By the way, to you closet nazis that celebrate the defeat the of those two worthless alderthings Half-cocked and Swillman, read Robert Cooley's books to see what he has to say about Bernie " head of " Stone and the two Eddies. Blacks don't have a moratorium on stupid corrupt politicians, particularly alderthings."

I'm not here to praise SCC, only to .... I know they are adult enough to take on your arguments, unsubstantiated and misguided but you took the time to vent. I do take issue with anyone calling me a "closet nazi" because I did crack open a cold one when I saw who lost their respective aldermanic races. Yellow, black, white or fusia, if they are incompetent, they gone! That does not make anyone a "closet" anything, in and of itself. Trust me as soon as Banks and Lavar are out of office, I will buy the first round.

Let me axe you a question? Does the University of Notre Dame, or Depaul, or say North Western offer GED courses? The answer is NO. All the fine institutions of higher learning that you made mention of DO. I've taken my child to one of the offered preschool classes at one of them, and I did not see one metal detector in the place. The majority of offenders that I have arrested, surprisingly are not Rhodes scholars. It is what it is.

And as for the white fellars that you mentioned, they know where the bodies are buried, otherwise they would have been in the pen a long time ago.

It's okay to give up the guilt that you have been haboring.

4/19/2007 03:06:00 AM

Diligaf, The only guilt I harbor is that I never chose to post on this site until now, and address some of the racist comments I see here on a regular basis. I'm genrally in agreement with SCC, but their comment , although sarcastic in tone, enables a lot of racists police officers , and I took issue with it.
My comments were specifically directed at SCC's comments about the students at Harold Washington
and Kennedy King colleges. I wanted to know if their comment was satirical or racist in nature. I know Harold Washington and Kennedy King are lousy colleges, but I'd see young blacks there, then on 67th or 79th street selling drugs or in the lockup. At least they're trying to do something positive, I'll give them credit for that.
As far as the overall education system, you can blame the mayor and his cronies for the unrelenting mediocrity in that regards, as the Chicago School system has been long recognized as the worst in the nation. Read University of Chicago researcher Gary Orfield's longitidunal study on this problem;you'll see who the major culprits are. And by the way, Northwestern and DePaul do not have academic ( GED ) support programs-that's not their purpose. Their purpose is to provide college level education. Northeastern Illinois University has a ged like program,and that's a predominantly white university. And before you contiune to beat on your chest about Northwestern and DePaul, let me leave you with these tidbits;
Northwestern has night school programs where ANYBODY-even with a ged-can gain admission. And those liberal assholes have spawned law programs that churned out a legal defense foundation that has aggressively, and successfully challenged and embarrassed the Chicago Police Department -over and over again. And Northwestern has a journalism program whose graduates have similarly successfully entered the media-and bashed and attacked Chicago Police Officers.
DePaul University 's law school is responsible for graduating two of the most corrupt, and in jr.'s case, inept mayors that ever plagued the city-Richard J and Richard M Daley. It should be noted that Richard M , our current mayor would'nt have even got his law license if he did'nt have Cecil Partee-a BLACK man-to take the test for him. You tout DePaul as some kind of success story when they churned out this ignorant, corrupt,inept,stuttering stammering hack mayor-and inflict him on us?
I rest my case.

4/19/2007 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing is going to happen to the constitution because it is one of the greatest documents ever written. We should give our thanks to John Locke for that.It is alive and well. The tragedy in Virginia will not change things at all. Every antigun measure proposed is a knee-jerk reaction. Just like the law passed in 1934 because of the mafia shooting at each other with fully automatic thompsons and the actions of Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger and Babyface Nelson. Samething with the law passed in 1968 because of the shooting of both Kennedys' and King. All were criminals and whether they recieved their guns illegally or not they still would have committed those crimes.

4/19/2007 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Chris Morton said...

"Hey chris m. the sound of your garbage being ransacked is not a raccoon, it's the A2GT doing a pull on it. Get ready for a CI warrant. You made me lmao.

4/19/2007 03:16:00 AM"

I live in Ohio, you know, in the United States? The local PD and I will be waiting for them.

Anybody want to loan me a camcorder? We can do a low budget remake of the "The Long Riders"...

4/19/2007 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kennedy-king best place to get a pay a fee get a degree! easy and simple! you don't have to go to class no just pay it is the chicago way!

4/19/2007 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where's the great rebuttal from a SWAT member from Chicago.... did anyone else catch the post that told 'possible terrorists' the amount of time it takes to respond, where they (SWAT) go to assemble, and your general demeanor because you can't have a personnel vehicle to store 'your gear' and take home. Store it in your personal vehicle and have pre-designated rally points around the city to meet up. THEY READ THIS BLOG NOODLE ! Of course now they know where to hit you.... even though a SWAT team could not have 'prevented' 9/11 or what happened in Virginia. Stop with the holier than thou crap... good to see you guys responding to 'man with a gun' call on the northside... it made me so proud to see you in your black BDU's, relic M-16's and eyeballing tact and patrol guys instead of keeping your eyes on the 12 shitheads on the wall. You are clueless.

4/19/2007 02:34:00 AM

4/20/2007 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/19/2007 10:45:00 AM

Although I agree with alot of your post, don't blame the mayor or anyone else in government for the state of education in Chicago. The blame is with the families, you can only throw so much money at a problem. When you go through Engle wood and you see how the children are raised, you'll see where the problem lies. Rarely do I enter a residence in the ghetto and find the house full of children's books but almost always there is a plasma T.V. or a Playstation. My toddler aleady knows more than most of the 3rd. graders in these communities, due to the time her parents spend with her.

4/20/2007 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is the 019th district moron grabing coppers for a few beers?
you probably write grandmas traffic tickets while all the gang banging shitheads who are strong arm robbing people go about their buisness every night. get a life you losers

4/20/2007 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To:
Anonymous said...

Where's the great rebuttal from a SWAT member from Chicago.... did anyone else catch the post that told 'possible terrorists' the amount of time it takes to respond, where they (SWAT) go to assemble, and your general demeanor because you can't have a personnel vehicle to store 'your gear' and take home. Store it in your personal vehicle and have pre-designated rally points around the city to meet up. THEY READ THIS BLOG NOODLE ! Of course now they know where to hit you.... even though a SWAT team could not have 'prevented' 9/11 or what happened in Virginia. Stop with the holier than thou crap... good to see you guys responding to 'man with a gun' call on the northside... it made me so proud to see you in your black BDU's, relic M-16's and eyeballing tact and patrol guys instead of keeping your eyes on the 12 shitheads on the wall. You are clueless.

4/19/2007 02:34:00 AM

4/20/2007 12:25:00 AM

It looks like you were watching the SWAT guys
and not the 12 shitheads
on the wall.
How else would you know what they were doing?

Dork wannabe!

4/20/2007 10:34:00 PM  

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