Pay for it Yourself!
From a "concerned citizen" in our comments section (no word on if this citizen is the police or civilian). As usual, we'll respond piecemeal:
- A few questions from a concerned citizen to the Real Police who have obviously given a lot of thought to these issues-
Thanks for your time and effort
- -Does Chicago utilize the CERT (Civilian Emergency Response Team)concept? There is federal grant money available for this. Interested community members get trained in first aid, SAR, disaster response, etc. I don't think anything would preclude sworn officers and their families from taking this training, even if it was offered only by suburban or outlying first responder agencies/fire departments, etc.
We don't know if Chicago actually utilizes the CERT concept. Federal money means Federal oversight and with 3 or 4 separate task forces solely dedicated to Chicago political corruption, we doubt that the Administration wants any more "oversight." And of course, nothing at all would preclude officers from seeking training on their own... except life obligations, money, family, court, second job, school, etc.
- - For major emergency use only, could an interested officer purchase and keep in their car trunk their own protective mask and related MOPP gear, and related articles that they know work properly and know how to use?
Again, nothing at all prevents us from doing this. Unfortunately, most of this MOPP gear has expiration dates unless stored in temperature controlled environments. Some involves quite a bit of training. Much of it is prohibitively expensive to outfit a single person and if you've read the board lately, cops can barely afford the housing prices in the City and usually have to get second or third jobs to send their kids somewhere where they might actually get an education.
- - Rechargable batteries for portable, two way radios are not overly expensive. Could one not keep a couple of new "reserve" batteries in one's bag, charged and ready to use?
We barely have enough batteries to outfit the next watch coming on duty. The batteries we have don't hold a charge for more than 6 hours. Batteries are expensive, so the City, in it's ultimate penny pinching wisdom barely keeps enough on hand. We have cars with over 120,000 miles being used on a day to day basis, many without any sort of battery adapters or cigarette lighters because they're either broken or destroyed by the computer mounts and over use. And again, asking coppers to outfit themselves is not really going to fly.
- - Could relevant training be taken on one's personal/vacation time? I knew an officer who did this, and went to an excellent WMD response course sponsored by the USG.
OK, we're pretty sure that this writer is a civilian at this point. Why is it all of the sudden the officer's responsibility to get all this training on his or her time? On his or her vacation? On his or her dime? Have we missed something here? Most of us AREN'T the police 24/7. We don't exist to solve every problem that comes up in the world. This is a job and like most people with jobs, we like time off, time away from the BS, time to relax. We aren't automatons that are living, breathing and sleeping how we can suddenly leap into action to protect the civilian population from threats or incidents.
- You shouldn't have to use your own time and money to address these issues, but it's better than the alternative of hope for the best.
Comments?
But that's exactly what you've proposed in just about every single one of your points above. None of them make sense standing alone and taken together, perpetuates some sort of Utopian ideal that will never be reached and if it could be reached, would end up looking like something out of Stalin's Soviet Union.
We've known officers who have taken additional course because they wanted to. They've spent their own money. They've sacrificed time with family, time for vacation, time for life to this end. And in 99 cases out of 100, do you know what the City has done for them? Zero. Zip. Nada. They're pushing beat cars or driving desks, meaning the knowledge they acquired and could use to make everyone a bit safer is completely wasted. So they're out money, time and are unappreciated.
What's not to love?
We've known officers who have taken additional course because they wanted to. They've spent their own money. They've sacrificed time with family, time for vacation, time for life to this end. And in 99 cases out of 100, do you know what the City has done for them? Zero. Zip. Nada. They're pushing beat cars or driving desks, meaning the knowledge they acquired and could use to make everyone a bit safer is completely wasted. So they're out money, time and are unappreciated.
What's not to love?
Labels: terrorism
posted by SCC at 12:30 AM
57 Comments:
There is some program the city uses with outside civilians. They're volunteers who were trained to answer or work make believe phone banks in case of extreme disaster. Older yuppies trying to "make a difference".
They were paraded through oec a couple years ago.
The only way that the CPD would pay for this training;would be to pay for the Clout-Connected on this job.When the shit hits the fan,their clout will not be worth a damn..Its all smoke and mirrors..
I actually tried to recertify this year with the shotgun certification program but since Im no longer on a gang or tact team I was denied, even though I stated in my TO/FROM that I'd even go on my own time. I work midnights and thought it might be good to have an officer or two that was trained and certified with the shotgun since the gang and tact teams are all done by two, God forbid something serious were to happen where a shotgun would help out.
Thats how much the powers that be really want to be prepared.
Chicago spends the Federal Homeland security money on...
TRAFFIC AIDES.
That's right people, that is how your anti-terrorism money is being spent. (Hence being part of the Office of Emergency Management and Communications.)
Then again, even though the department might lack proper training, resources, and weaponry, at least we have someone to tell us the light is red and we should not proceed into the intersection.
Chicago has been doing CERT training at the omec center for some time now. I'm not sure what it is they exactly do other than being a propaganda tool to have some people go back to their communities with a pitcher of kool aid and tell others that the city is prepared.
In an effort to further prepare myself to be a better officer and supervisor, should that event ever occur,I signed up for the following online courses:
1) Creative Vehicular Positioning: This course is vital to every street supervisor who at school dismissal time, is given the task of keeping the peace with 3 cars and/or patrolmen,when the H.S. thugs exit the schools.
2) Electronic Wizardry: This online course will teach you the basics of how to pump new life into that old,PDT. Students will be shown which wires to yank on and disconnect. All students will be given a preprinted card with a short prayer to Our Holy Mother Of Dying PDT's. This prayer has actually worked in our Lady interceding on our behalf in breathing new life into that PDT relic. An added bonus will be new recipes for all the food remnants that collect on the keyboard.
3)Office Politics: Students will be given the secrets of how to land that (wink), "inside spot". Students will be trained to look busy, and call themselves the police, even though their fellow officers are overwhelmed with holding back the violence of the streets,and can't get a day off, while they pretend to do the work that 3 other civilians are doing. This course will only be offered on weekends, since these will be your future days off.
4) Self Assessment: Students will be taught how to gig themselves regarding uniform deficiencies. This will enable the department to reassign healthy,full duty persons back to the patrol division, saving on a company car and gas.
Furthmore, students will be taught how to log-on to the ICLEAR system and spar themselves.
5)Medical Infirmity: This online course will be taught by actual,healthy officers who are presently at home playing on the internet, watching tv or (I heard rumors), playing golf. These officers will share their knowledge of how to dupe the department in thinking they are actually sick. Actual IOD officers are ineligible for this course because well, to be honest, you deserve to be off.
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Whine, Whine, Whine. Thats all you cops do! Use that uniform check for what its for, buy work equipment. Live within your means. Flashy cars, clothing and drinking adventures in bimbo bars? No wonder you guys are broke.
"Drinking Adventures In Bimbo Bars"?????
Bimbos need love too. Could you imagine how life would be if we didn't support and ply these women with alcohol and other various substances?:
The City would really be in trouble then.
I'm a civilian, but not the one who wrote the original message.
I'm a computer programmer and I had a job where I had to bring my own computer gear to work because my boss didn't want to spring for the right stuff. It was the only way to do the job. Of course, once I bring my own stuff, then my idiot boss has no reason ever to buy the good stuff. It sucks, but it's what I had to do. Some jobs are just like that.
Why is it all of the sudden the officer's responsibility to get all this training on his or her time?
For the same reason it's a woman's responsibility to make sure there's birth control when she's having sex. If something bad happens, who pays the biggest price?
OF COURSE the department should provide you with the equipment to do the job. But if it doesn't, what's your plan when shit happens? Wade in without the right gear? Quit on the spot?
Maybe you don't take all this terrorism stuff very seriously. That's fine. You know more about the threat than I do.
But if this is a problem you think you need to take seriously---if the blue canary jokes are more than just jokes---then you may want to think about ways to take care of yourself.
Sounds like this person has watched too many hours of Peter Karl's "Crime Watch" ..... they're always touting the benefits of the CERT program.
SCC's assessment is 100% accurate but it's nice to see civilians, granted one tiny sliver of our population, taking an active role (ok...a slight interest) in emergency crisis preparation.
The city doesn't give us the equipment that we need, and the stuff we do have doesn't work half the time. But Daley likes to maintain the illusion that we are totally prepared and ready to go when Al-qaeda fuses Upper and Lower Wacker drive during a Friday afternoon rush hour.
I think all new recruits should buy there own radio and extra batteries when they come on. I would buy my own radio to ensure that it was alwaying in working order and that it was never mishandled.
SCC, I have to take exception with your thought process. All of your points are accurate, we all know CPD never buys the first issue of anything. Therefore are you not exposing us to risks by exposing our unpreparedness. If there was a ray of hope that the Department would actually be shamed into action by your comments I would be in agreement. In this instance your expose' may actually invite and incite harm to ourselves. I question your lack of responsible reporting.
Point #2. It appears that there is at least one person out there that has concern for our well being. You know as well as the rest of us that the common practice is to spit on the ground as we drive past. You proceed to rip this individual a new posterior in your haste to poke holes in their genuine concern. How about starting out with "thank-you, but this is why it won't work"
Please examine your role as a publisher and the responsibility that is inherently associated. Consider your platform, Some things are better left unsaid.
I am doing my own training getting is shape to help my family! Do I give a shit about the corrupted (clouted boys and girls) or the elected scumbags? No Fucking way! the aldercreatures carry guns and want to be important maybe they could suit up and save the citizens! As for me and my family i will help out the officers and advise them to leave as I and many others are not blue canaries! I have extra fuel and keep the tanks in my car full and live close to where I work! "Time for me to fly"!
SCC;
Concerned Citizen here again. Thanks for the comprehensive commentary and answers to all my questions.
The main focus of my questions was to see if it was practical for officers to address and remedy some of these serious equipment and training issues on their own. I should have been a little more clear, as I do understand that the Police do need and deserve to have time off and decent private lives.
There is also no question that your families should be first priority.
I don't live in Chicago, so the more immediate need for acceptable private schooling for the kids didn't really register with me.
While the situation is unfair, from what I have read on the site in the past few months, it isn't likely to be fixed any time soon. Given such a predicament, I have to think that "private purchase" kit and training is a viable option for at least a few officers, if only to stay alive and help their own families in a dire crisis.
Thank You All for Your Service!
WARNING!!!
Do not, I repeat, Do not, take that course on Self Assessment.
I did, and I gigged myself for wearing a short sleeve shirt under my sweater, yep, and God, I am such a jerk, I gave myself a day W/O pay.
I'm gonna ask for a hearing. Damn
Remember, we police officers and firefighters are not the policy makers. We are the actors of said policy.
It is easy to blame the actors for the short comings of emergency preparedness, but is your elected officials that control the $$$$.
If the training isn't provided that is a policy
choice made by the policy
makers.
I have identified several
first responder training
programs offered by FLETC. There is no cost to the city other then
my salary while at the
class. I requested to attend and was told it
was unnecessary.
As I see it every first responder trained is a
asset to the city and its
citizens.
My response to the citizens' questions. Until it is important enough to the policy makers to train me with the monies supplied by
Dept of Homeland Security, I will not be using my time or money to
to train myself.
Final thought.
Has anyone else noticed that da mayor asks for a no fly zone over the
downtown area. Claiming, that it is necessary to protect against terrorist
attacks.
However, every time the feds. have identified a
possible terrorist plot,
ie. Sears tower to blown up by the Miami nitwits,
he gets on the tube saying Chicago is not a target. Well which is it?
Don't count on the City
government to save you.
Look you moron,and I mean the guy sprouting off about spending our own money,the city gets funding from the fed to train and equip us in case of an attack or natural disaster. Where is the money going? I haven't even heard of anyone getting training.I can rely on my military background,buy how many officers have that?The point is, who is getting the money that is supposed to be set aside for our training and equipment?Hell we still have a plastic helmet when we could get a kevlar brain bucket from the feds for free.What the hell is wrong with these people?
Already overflowing with bars and booze, Wrigleyville has finally had enough of what a community leader once called the "Bourbon Street atmosphere" around Wrigley Field. On Thursday, Ald. Tom Tunney (44th) took the first of two major steps designed to turn off the spigot. "Sun Times" 25 May 2007
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Dear Ald. Tunney,
Maybe you should worry about Halsted St., between Clark and Broadway. You know, the prostitution problem, the fact that Meth, G, X and K are readily for sale in most bars and bathhouse on Halsted (and you have knowledge of this), loitering and loud music coming from Hydrate/Roscoe's/Sidetracks etc...
Maybe you should clean your house first.
Off Topic...Meet me in Miami...
MIAMI, May 22 -- The city of Miami's office of communications issued the following news release:
The City of Miami is now accepting applications for Police Officer. Applications for both Basic Recruit and State of Florida Certified Police Officers are being accepted. City of Miami Police Officers recently ratified a new labor agreement. As a result, the current starting salary, after the academy, for Police Officers is $43,293, plus $2,000 Crime Prevention Pay. State Certified Police Officers are eligible for advanced step appointments based upon level of experience. Additionally, the City of Miami offers degree incentives, excellent benefits including tuition reimbursement, training and outstanding promotional opportunities, and an outstanding pension plan. Additionally, a one-time FDLE certification of $1648 is provided to probationary employees upon completion of probation regardless when his/her probation ends.
All SOS (not just the SWAT team) members are CERT trained, its is fed funded, and most in SOS believe that, its is the only reason we are still around. It is once a year and SOS is going through it currently.
I heard that it took approximately 6 minutes for police to respond to the bank robbery at 87th and King Dr. Is this true? If so, this is embarassing. There are two police stations, 006 and 003, with 2 miles of this location. Not to mention Chicago leads the nation in bank robberies and any "hold up" or "panic" alarm from a bank should get all avaible cars moving in that direction. I realize that they are on differnt zones, but this is a fine example of why O.E.M.C. needs a I.S.P.E.R.N. like frequncy or "all call" for violent crimes that can be shared with neighboring zones in real time.
Whine, Whine, Whine. Thats all you cops do! Use that uniform check for what its for, buy work equipment. Live within your means. Flashy cars, clothing and drinking adventures in bimbo bars? No wonder you guys are broke.
HA HA HA! God I wish that were the truth. Then I could ditch the flashy car and bimbos and stop working side jobs. Then again, I'd probably still have to work side jobs to send my kids to decent schools. Oh lets not forget taxes... Damn. Ruined the fantasy.... I want a flashy car and bimbos!!!!
you can go to the dept. of homeland security web site and recieve free trying in WMD or CBRNE as they call it at there facility in anniston alabama. It's a week long, with classes running 10hrs long, your day starts at about 6am and ends about 4pm. the best part is its all free,plane from midway or ohare to atlanta Ga and then they pick you up from airport and bring you to their facility in Al. 3 square meals a day and your own room, they even have a on site bar $2.00 bottles what more can you ask for its all free. You probably send a to from to 1st deputy and ask to go on departments time they may give it to you, since its only a week long, if not they would be stupid to not let you go on your own time all you need is a letter saying you are a police officer with the city of chicago and are being granted by the city to train in CBRNE by dept of H. L. S. . you will train with ofc from around the country and you come to realize that they have the same complaints we do, so its just not us its cops from all over U.S. having the exact samre problems---meaning that the public don't want them to be the police.just so you are aware that there is nothing that can protect from wmd for more than a hr. SCBA 45min to 1 hr, gas mask approx 15-20 min. the training is good to know what you are up against.
I actually tried to recertify this year with the shotgun certification program but since Im no longer on a gang or tact team I was denied, even though I stated in my TO/FROM that I'd even go on my own time. I work midnights and thought it might be good to have an officer or two that was trained and certified with the shotgun since the gang and tact teams are all done by two, God forbid something serious were to happen where a shotgun would help out.
Thats how much the powers that be really want to be prepared.
5/25/2007 03:01:00 AM
I recently left a certain unit(yes voluntarily) in which I was shotgun and heavy weapons certified to go back to a district and work the first watch(family reasons, couldn't do the rotating shifts anymore) and was told by the first watch W/C that I would not be able to re-certify because these things "were not needed on the watch." I guess being prepared and officer well-being is not needed on the watch.
it's funny how you guys are now complaining about ; that you have to pay for your own gear and training. But when the SWAT guys complained several months ago about having to pay for most of their equipment and training everyone made fun of them and told them to quit whinning. It's the city's fault, we all should be provided with the right training and equipment at their expense. It's hard to complain when we still have asshole coworkers doing stupid stuff and they city has to pay through their noses in law suits. If everyone acted professional maybe the city and citizens would treat us like professionals. If you see 1 of your coworkers doing something stupid, tell them about it! if they won't stop it, turn them in because they are only making our job even harder these days and its only a matter of time before they get caught and in the news, then the whole department pays for their stupidity!!
OFF TOPIC:
HONOLULU (AP) – The union representing police officers throughout the state says an arbitrator has awarded its members pay increases and pay differentials equaling 33.8%.
The State of Hawaii Organization of Police Officers says the increases will be paid over a 4-year period.
The agreement is to run from July first to June 30th, 2011.
SHOPO says it plans to release details of the new collective bargaining agreement at a news conference tomorrow afternoon.
The police contract was the last remaining public sector negotiation to be resolved.
Sounds like a voulenteer fireman.... buys all this crap and takes all these classes in the spare time because they live and breath for the chance to play fireman with all there self baught crap... if this city gets attacked were all f'd either way. I dont even have a functioning gas mask...
With regard to the city spending its anti-terrorism money on Traffic Aides: So what's new?
The city uses and has used such subterfuge for many years. It is literally a federal crime and why the G has let it slide is beyond comprehension. The city applies for Federal Grants to be used for certain purposes and then consistently uses the money to grease the palms of the politically connected in entirely different areas than the money was granted for. The outfit term for it is Scamming. If the G would wake up to this and pursue it, there would be people from Lyndon Johnson's time on going to jail. No statute of limitations on a continuing calculated criminal conspiracy, which is what this is and has always been. Moreover, the city could be made to pay back all misspent funds. Go RICO!!!!
Yo! Pat Fitz! FOLLOW THE PAPER TRAIL, OK?
In the event of an attack, you will see thousands of volunteers such as was witnessed during Sep, 11th, and during Hurricane Katrina. Those volunteers will converge on ground zero, and will be turned away by City officials.
The city will make a public statement that since the volunteers are untrained they will be useless.
A community based response team is a cheap and easy force multiplier.
I would bet that "John and Jane Q. Public" are ready willing and able to pay their own way here. From Flashlights and whistles to whatever is required.
The city does not and will not consider this because of the possible or percieved liability.
So again as a resident of the Kingdom we are saddled with sub-standard plans and preparations.
"Blue Canary's" is a Zoolyism" CFD never coined that term. CFD does feel sorry for the CPD cause they know we are ill prepared.
Last I knew the OEMC had about 50 people trained as CERT members. They got a t-shirt and Hard Hat.
Google Community Emergency Repsonse Teams, and you may be suprised to see the number of small cities and towns that have partnered up with corporations to pay the cost of training.
drinking adventures in bimbo bars
If I could only get off midnights, I'd totally be there!
I like drinking adventures in bimbo bars. ;-)
WOW I CAN DO ALL THAT SO I CAN PROTECT THE GREAT CITIZEN OF CHICAGO.
BUDDY WHEN THAT TRUCK BOMB HITS A GRAMMAR SCHOOL ILL WAIT FOR YOU TO RUN WITH ME INSIDE AND SAVE THOSE KIDS.
A HERO IS NOTHING BUT A SANDWICH.
AND THE TOPPING WILL BE THE CITY REFUSING TO GIVE YOUR FAMILY DEATH BENIFITS BECAUSE YOU WERE OFF DUTY AND YOU WERE ONLY MARRIED FOR A FEW MONTHS
" You probably send a to from to 1st deputy and ask to go on departments time they may give it to you, since its only a week long, if not they would be stupid to not let you go on your own time all you need is a letter saying you are a police officer with the city of chicago and are ..."
I cant even get time due on my watch, been denied a furlough extension even after submitting a to from with info on the flight and hotel that was already booked.. you think they're gonna let me go train on their time?! you gotta be F^@*ing kidding me.
OK...armed black men run into a bank shooting and killing and GEEZ where are all the blacktavists.
Hey Jesse Jackson,
Al notsoSharpton, Meeks, Jakes and the rest of you race mongers. Why arent you we shall over coming this type of behavior?
So its ok as long as you all blacktavists say it is.
Typical of you!
...There are two police stations, 006 and 003, with 2 miles of this location...
You sound like a civilian who thinks that all the cars are sitting at the station waiting for a call.
Is it true that JF is going to be charged with a $400,000 theft
SCC-
Concerned Citizen here again. I didn't mean to upset anyone here, as seems to have happened.
My apologies.
Rue St. Michel-
What is "Crime Watch"?
For what its worth, CERT training is very basic, and should be looked upon as the absolute minimum.
BTW, I enjoy your comments here and your own blog.
Cheers.
I apologize. This is completely off topic but I need to vent.
I just watched Channel 7 "news." They did a story on Louis Farakhan giving a speech at St Sabina parish. Michael Pfleger was broadcast openly embracing Farakhan.
Gee, last time I checked, Louis Farakhan was an anti-semetic, anti-white and possibly an anti-American piece of shit. And here he is in a Roman Catholic church being given carte blanche treatement and embraced by a priest who should have been defrocked a long time ago for breaking his vows of obedience.
It's about time that the Chicago archdiocese give this piece of shit the boot and urge Rome to excommunicate him!
It's also about time for Chicagoland Catholics to stop giving financial support to an institution that tolerates people like Pfleger. This man has no right to be drawing a salary from the Church and he doesn't deserve to be called "Father!"
If the St Sabina parishioners are true to the Faith, they should accept whoever is installed by the archdiocese as pastor.
And if Pleger wants to stay in the community and continue his media whore lifestyle, then he should do it as a layperson and not as a priest. Take away the beautiful church and housing and let him find some other place to shack up!
Anonymous said...
Chicago spends the Federal Homeland security money on...
TRAFFIC AIDES.
That's right people, that is how your anti-terrorism money is being spent.
5/25/2007 03:14:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^With Homeland Security money I got a microwave and a desk file sorter thingy.
Thanks Tom Ridge!!!!!!
5/25/2007 10:32:00 PM
I am done with catholic church! they are for ILLEGAL immigration hope they can pay for these bastards that are screwing up this city/country!
Anonymous said...
I think all new recruits should buy there own radio and extra batteries when they come on. . . .5/25/2007 08:29:00 AM
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Oh hell, why not add another item to the list of items that the city does not provide when you are hired:
uniform, gun, leather goods, helmet, baton, flashlight, etc.
It costs a new hire/recruit approx $5000.00 in the first three weeks of being hired to be properly equipped. Why not add a $1500.00 radio and another $200-500 for extra batteries. It is only money and gee we do get a "uniform check"
Go Fvck yourselfs.
If you are concerned about your level of training as a CPD first responder, I would like to make a suggestion. While waiting for lockup to take your prisoner or before roll call or when ever you find time while on the clock, jump on the internet and read up on WMD's and see what they can do and what we need to do. Use the cities time to read up on this stuff. Take the FEMA on-line courses for first responders. They are mostly incident management material, but it will give you a good background.
OFF TOPIC:
I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS THAT THE COMMENTS ON L.S. FUCK UP, IF DISABLED! THIS GUY IS PROBLY THE BIGGEST DOUCH-BAG I'VE EVER MET! ARE YOU KIDDING ME CMDR!! YOU WANT ME DOING HOME INVASIONS FOR YOU! FOR WHAT!? YOU REALLY THINK YOUR DUMB ASS WILL EVER BE SUPT.?! YOUR TOO FUCKING RETARDED! WHAT YOU REALLY NEED IS YOUR ASS KICKED FOR THIS LITTLE STUNT IN 8!
NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I RANT......
8TH DIST BROTHERS, LAY OFF THE CAMBELL BOYS; WE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH A DRAG QUEEN ON STEROIDS HAS BEEN ELECTED BY CAPTIAN CRUNCH TO BE OUR NEW "LEADER". I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE IN 11, AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THIS GUY'S M.O. IS TO COERCE AND FORCE HIS OFFICERS INTO COMMITING ILLEGAL ACTS, SO HE CAN BRAG TO THE BRASS WHAT A GOOD JOB HE'S DOING. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT (N.M.) HE ACTS LIKE HE DOSEN'T KNOW 'EM OR WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS THING IN 8 WILL PROBERLY BE NO DIFFERENT, HE'LL HANG THE OFFICERS FOR LOYALLY FOLLOWING HIS ORDERS! I KNOW SOME OF THESE GUYS AND THEY'RE GOOD GUYS, IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS 3 DAY OLD BUTT PLUG IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO TAKE TIME. 8TH DIST., WHAT EVER YOU DO; DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY , YOUR BETTER OFF BIIDING OUT OF HERE.
Officers, the first priority is your safety. You cannot help the public if you are injured. Yes, the city should pay for additional training but we all know they will not. For the person who stated he had to bring his own computer to work I'm sorry that does not compare. If we bring our own equipment to work and something goes down the city will not support us. The will state we were not trained on it by them and therefore they are not liable. I understand where you are coming from but to compare our jobs is like comparing apples and oranges.
Fellow Officers, just follow a few simple rules. Do NOT rush into jobs. Take a minute to look around and LISTEN! If you think you should have your gun out then it should be out. If you want no one to see it use the old hat trick. If you have to shoot take aim, I know that it is hard to do from experience but 1 round on Target beats 5 misses. Do not go on 10-4 jobs 10-99. We may not be trained properly but use common sense. Please stay safe, go home at night.
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC:
I THINK IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS THAT THE COMMENTS ON L.S. FUCK UP, IF DISABLED! THIS GUY IS PROBLY THE BIGGEST DOUCH-BAG I'VE EVER MET! ARE YOU KIDDING ME CMDR!! YOU WANT ME DOING HOME INVASIONS FOR YOU! FOR WHAT!? YOU REALLY THINK YOUR DUMB ASS WILL EVER BE SUPT.?! YOUR TOO FUCKING RETARDED! WHAT YOU REALLY NEED IS YOUR ASS KICKED FOR THIS LITTLE STUNT IN 8!
NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I RANT......
8TH DIST BROTHERS, LAY OFF THE CAMBELL BOYS; WE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH A DRAG QUEEN ON STEROIDS HAS BEEN ELECTED BY CAPTIAN CRUNCH TO BE OUR NEW "LEADER". I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE IN 11, AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THIS GUY'S M.O. IS TO COERCE AND FORCE HIS OFFICERS INTO COMMITING ILLEGAL ACTS, SO HE CAN BRAG TO THE BRASS WHAT A GOOD JOB HE'S DOING. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT (N.M.) HE ACTS LIKE HE DOSEN'T KNOW 'EM OR WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS THING IN 8 WILL PROBERLY BE NO DIFFERENT, HE'LL HANG THE OFFICERS FOR LOYALLY FOLLOWING HIS ORDERS! I KNOW SOME OF THESE GUYS AND THEY'RE GOOD GUYS, IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS 3 DAY OLD BUTT PLUG IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO TAKE TIME. 8TH DIST., WHAT EVER YOU DO; DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY , YOUR BETTER OFF BIIDING OUT OF HERE.
5/26/2007 01:34:00 AM
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Whom ever this guy is above he is not from 008 and knows no one from 008. L.S. has never asked for anything, much less home invasions. Whatever idiots on here think any copper would do an invasion anyway are retarded. More lies spread to slander, get a life
Col Frank Slade said:
It's also about time for Chicagoland Catholics to stop giving financial support to an institution that tolerates people like Pfleger. This man has no right to be drawing a salary from the Church and he doesn't deserve to be called "Father!"
Please understand this, I DO NOT CARE FOR HIM EITHER.
Here is the deal...Saint Sabina leads ALL of the catholic schools/churches on the South Side in collections, ALL of them. No Saint John Fisher, Saint Barnabas, Saint Christina...it is Sabina. I want to say, they lead ALL of the catholic churches in the city but I do not have the information handy right now.
They are self sufficient. Say what you will, but Blacks DO give more to the church. Whites and Hispanics can not argue this, the proof is in the facts and tax returns of these churches. Look at Saint Sabina and you will see - they make money from THEIR parish not from outside of it.
Signed,
A white Catholic who deos not give money to the church and who will not call Michael Pfleger anything but a media starved whore.
A FRIEND OF MINE IS P.O. IN THE NAPERVILLE P.D. HE SAID THAT ALL P.O.S HAVE HAD CERT TRAINING AND THAT THEY HAVE THE EQIUPMENT IS IN THEIR SQUAD CARS. AS A WORKING NO CLOUT POLICE OFFICER WHO HAS ATTENDED NUMEROUS OFF DUTY POLICE TRAING CLASSES, IT SICKENS ME AS TO THE TRAINING PROGRAM IN THE CPD. THE ONLY ONES WHO MIGHT GET THE TRAINING ARE THE CLOUT BABYS OR A FEMALE HOTTIE DOING A BOSS. YES THIS JOB IS ALL LEGIT.
Phone Calls- Clout....This city/kingdom is just amazing to me.
I personally know of 2 people who were basically called "unqualified" by the Department.
#1- has over 2500 hours in rotary wing experience from the Army. No Phone Call
#2- was an EOD(Explosive Ordinance Disposal) and was told by the Bomb Squad C.O. Sorry...Sorry??? No Phone Call
Hmmmm....is this job legit?
Geeezzzz 10 more years? I can only imagine where this job will be by then.
#2- was an EOD(Explosive Ordinance Disposal) and was told by the Bomb Squad C.O. Sorry...Sorry??? No Phone Call
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True. Qualifications mean nothing here. Never did
Could somebody please let me know where there is a good place to find lots of Bimbos? I believe I have a uniform check coming soon. Bimbos, feel free to post here too.
The city advertises that they do have a CERT / Medical Reserve Corps / Citizen Corps, and Disaster Response team......
But that's all it is. There IS NOT CERT OR OTHER TRAINING! The teams don't exist. I called to check into doing this training, and what I got at OEMC is this:
"I'm sorry, you're looking for what?" "CERT? Medical Corps?" "We have no clue what any of that is, and have not one person to tell you to contact".
Finally, I get through to talk to whomever it was that answered...sounded like some VERY OLD african american grandmother who said "We once offered those things, but our funding was taken from us and so all we do here is keep records."
I asked about the "OEMC Volunteer" program for which I was told also does NOT EXIST.
So, we ARE NOT prepared for anything at all. Word is that OEMC is going to be downsized and outsourced to someone like Aargus Security which by the way, has a Chicago copper on it's staff at the executive level. They stand to make lot's of dough if that is true.
So, for you civillians out there who want to be of help....stay home, pack up, and get ready to get outta here in the event of any type of huge emergency.
You wanna get involved, go apply for any of the suburban ESDA / EMA / Public Safety groups. Be advised though that it is all completely volunteer and that it's all a catch 22, like CPD....follow orders and get your ass in a noose. Do anything opposite of orders, and you're toast too.
They make you jump through all sorts of hoops - take all of the FEMA courses, maybe send you to the police or fire academy, maybe give you highly specialized training and like CPD....give you antiquated, overdriven, unsafe equipment to operate. Radio comms is in the shithouse because they don't hold a charge half the time or they tell you to stay off the radio even if someone or yourself is in danger.
These departments are exactly like CPD....filled almost completely with family of the EMA / Public Safety Chief's or Director's family members who will always come out of any incident smelling like roses and the non-family or non-clout babies get all the blame.
Almost all these departments are bullshit. None of their communities support them, and everyone points and laughs at them at a scene. They are not respected at all.
You get an ID card and a Badge with the city / village / township emblem or the state emblem on it, but you wear it or carry it at the expense of being arrested for false personation because it's illegal.
They swear you in, give you a commission card, you sign the US and State Peace Officer's oath, raise your right hand...but it's not recognized by anyone. The state doesn't even recognize them or any of this process. IEMA (Illinois Emergency Management Agency) doesn't know who most of these people are, and rumor has it that they want these departments gone because of all the internal grabassing. These guys fight with each other at their stations and at scenes for the silliest shit!
Brookfiled ESDA was dismantled not too long ago for all of this. Brookfield's local government stated that EDSA was disbanded there because of all the internal incidents and because they were fucking up badly at emergency scenes from medical calls to fires, to everything else.
Belleville EMA has some terrible problems, as does Palos Hills.
Listen, not only will the department NOT train officers for CERT or provide neded equipment...they have PPO's come on and never assign an FTO because they don't have any to assign!
PPO's are left alone to train themselves and pay the price for their fuck-up's even at the fact that the city is liable for leaving them alone.
This happens at these suburban emergency management departments too....they get these people on, and they are responsible for their own training and obtaining all of their state / federal certifications themselves. They have to pay for their own bunker gear, their own air tanks, masks, everything! They have to pay for their own vests, and rumors say that the departments are making their own people pay for gas for department vehicles.
Some of you haters need to quit the lies about Leo Schmitz. If you don't like the guy for whatever reason, so be it. But to come here and post your garbage on the blog is unreasonable. Schmitz never would ask anyone to go out there and break the law. And I know for a fact he wasn't at the Jefferson Tap when the crap went down with his team. He tried to do what he could for them, but it was completely out of his hands. Somtimes stuff like that just happens, people under you mess up, and people over you get to decide the "best plan of action." So be it. Don't blame Schmitz for that mess, blame the Sgt. who was on the scene and failed to do the right thing.
The fact is, 008 has needed a fire lit under it for quite a long time.
Used to be a hide out and do nothing district, but a lot of change has come to 008. I hope Schmitz can turn things around.
This is not the "old" police Dept., where dogs were able to hide all day, and no one got in your face about low activity. Produce, or feel the heat. I wouldn't be surprised that as the Dept. greases the way to fire people, they begin to do it for those who are documented habitual dogasses as well.
" I think all new recruits should buy there own radio and extra batteries when they come on. I would buy my own radio to ensure that it was alwaying in working order and that it was never mishandled.
5/25/2007 08:29:00 AM"
YOU are a moron, you'd probably pay for your own squad car & put gas in it on your own dime. More than likely you one of these asshats that has a crown vic as your personal car.
Is the need so great to have a piece and have people respect you, that you resort to these type of asinine suggestions?
Therapy Dude, another fine example of why they never should have done away with the assessment center. Ask a guy with a star on his sleeve to explain it to you wonderboy.
"This is not the "old" police Dept., where dogs were able to hide all day, and no one got in your face about low activity. Produce, or feel the heat. I wouldn't be surprised that as the Dept. greases the way to fire people, they begin to do it for those who are documented habitual dogasses as well.
5/28/2007 06:31:00 AM"
Alot of tuff talk from some dummy who couldn't find his ass with both hands. More than likely you are a white shirt coward, who drank the juice& think its all legit. Hopefully you'll receive your comeuppance, the sooner the better...
No, I'm not a white shirt. But I've seen a whole lot of screwups on this job for about the last 22 years. And you know what? All those screw ups have always pointed the finger at someone else.
"the Sgt. should have told them what to put on paper." "The Sgt. who showed up should have put the guy in a cab." "Why didn't the Sgt. who came on the scene have another car take the guy out of there before the guy got caught up in __________________?" Stop blaming white shirts for the screw ups! If anyone on this job with a little time on the job can't avoid some of the dumb shit they get into, at least be able to explain it on paper! If you can't do THAT, then you shouldn't be doing what you're doing!! When's the last time you heard of an exempt going into a bar and punching people out? Rarely if ever happens! And don't use Guerrero as an example...that guy's just lost his damn mind! At least he didn't leave any videos behind!!
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