Recruit Fired
We've been asked to address this issue in numerous comment sections and more than a few e-mails. From the Sun Times:
- A man training to be a Chicago Police officer claims he was terminated from the Chicago Police Academy because he was Polish and "looked terrible."
Peter J. Palka is suing the Chicago Police Department and Matthew Tobias, assistant deputy superintendent of the police academy, alleging he was kicked out of the academy this year because of his race and nationality.
Palka was five months into his training at the academy when he went to school early on Jan. 25 for some "extra help with firearms," a lawsuit filed Friday in U.S. District Court says.
The article goes on to print the allegations contained in the lawsuit, including foul language, disobedience of a direct order and disparaging remarks made about the plaintiff's ethnic background.
First up, for the benefit of our civilian readers, recruits at the Academy are termed as "at-will" employees. That means for pretty much the entire first year of their careers, they can be terminated without cause for just about anything. The Academy, and by extension, the City do not owe them an explanation, cause or reason for termination.
That's some pretty heavy consequences going into a new job. You might leave a different life track to join the CPD and the second you screw up, the walls come down. And truthfully, that's probably how it should be. It makes you give serious consideration to the consequences of your actions, or lack of actions as demonstrated on the store video where a couple of Probationary Police Officers were caught on camera fleeing in the face of an armed subject. They became among the first fired for cowardice.
That being said, we have a hard time believing that in this day and age, there would be any boss anywhere who would express him or her self to a recruit in the terms listed in the paper, especially the slurs upon ethnic heritage. It was wrong when it was against blacks, it was wrong when it was against hispanics, and it'd be wrong if the pendulum swung completely the other direction, too.
First up, for the benefit of our civilian readers, recruits at the Academy are termed as "at-will" employees. That means for pretty much the entire first year of their careers, they can be terminated without cause for just about anything. The Academy, and by extension, the City do not owe them an explanation, cause or reason for termination.
That's some pretty heavy consequences going into a new job. You might leave a different life track to join the CPD and the second you screw up, the walls come down. And truthfully, that's probably how it should be. It makes you give serious consideration to the consequences of your actions, or lack of actions as demonstrated on the store video where a couple of Probationary Police Officers were caught on camera fleeing in the face of an armed subject. They became among the first fired for cowardice.
That being said, we have a hard time believing that in this day and age, there would be any boss anywhere who would express him or her self to a recruit in the terms listed in the paper, especially the slurs upon ethnic heritage. It was wrong when it was against blacks, it was wrong when it was against hispanics, and it'd be wrong if the pendulum swung completely the other direction, too.
Labels: city politics, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:46 AM
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SCC what u think?
Mayor trying to get his way by
saying that the opposition by Ald Reilly to Children’s Museum being built in Grant Park is racist. A would be brilliant move by Daley.
It’s funny, as Homer Simpson would say, because it’s true. Or nearly. O’Neill is lobbying overtime to build a new Chicago Children’s Museum in Grant Park—the same Grant Park that, a century ago, A. Montgomery Ward fought a long, bruising, ultimately successful battle over. Ward was defending the 1836 mandate to keep Chicago’s lakefront public ground, “a common to remain forever open, clear and free of any buildings, or other obstruction whatever.”
The Children’s Museum is but the latest in a long procession of hustles seeking to circumvent that mandate. It’s looking to replace free access to open land with new construction and stiff admission charges, and Bob O’Neill is doing his part to keep those who don’t think it’s a very good idea safely on the sidelines
full article
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/architecture/070914/
From the reports in the media, it appears that he had trouble qualifying on the range. He was supposed to read the manual and report to the range. Evidently he did not do that.
Now, they bend over backwards to get these people out of there and on the street. If you do not do the things your are supposed to do; especially if they are giving you some remedial assistence, then there is no beef. To bad. You lose.
I agree that no one would be so dumb, especially Tobias, to make ethnic statements. SOunds to me like some laying lawyer speak.
This is also a non issue. Recruits have no rights. We didn't when we were and the same holds true today. You get fired, to bad. Period.
IT MATTERS BY EACH SUPERVISOR ON HOW THEY RUN THERE DEPT. WE CAN ALL COME TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS BUT WE WERE NOT THERE AT THAT POLICE ACADEMY. SOMETIMES THAT BRASS GETS TO A PERSONS HEAD AND THEY SAY HE IS AN AT WILL EMPLOYEE. WE DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN ARE ACTIONS FOR ARE DECISION. BUT BY READING THE ARTICLE FOR A MANUAL THE KID GETS CANNED AND HE WAS FORCED TO WRITE OUT THE MANUAL. THATS REAL SMART SUPERVISOR TO DO THAT. WHEN READING OTHER BLOGS IT LOOKS LIKE HE WAS NOT THE ONLY POLISH RECRUIT THAT GOT DISMISSED FROM THE ACADEMY. DOES THE POLICE ACADEMY HAVE SOME SORT OF BOARD TO DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OR IS IT ONLY ADS TOBIAS'S CALL TO GET RID OF AN RECRUIT. BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO REVIEW ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED BECAUSE SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO COME UP TO SEE SOME SORT OF PATTERN AND WHAT KIND OF LAWSUITS AND COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST THE ACADEMY AND ITS STAFF AND THE ADS. BUT THIS CASE WILL OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WARMS! THANKS SECOND CITY COP FOR ADDRESSING ALL CONCERNS.
COOL
It's a real shame to lose him. He had upper-management written all over him
I was in the same class as this guy. He was a complete moron. This was just the final screw-up of many for this idiot. He also isn't being honest, or at least telling the whole story of why he was fired. It sounds bad but pretty much the entire class breathed a sigh of relief when he got canned. He couldn't do anything right, plus he was lazy as hell. The idea of him running around the city with a star and a gun was horrifying. He wasn't the only Polish or white guy in the class and the rest of us made it through. Go back to your security job at the movie theatre in Rosemont Palka!
Hey SCC... You seem to be pretty knowledgable. Question?
How do i as a citizen of the city of chicago go about to find out the results of the Sgts test. (or any test)
I know that this is a civil service rank and that the test is done with taxpayer money.
Since the FOP does not post the results...do you think that i could hire an attorney to get the results via the Freedom of Information Act?
Just wondering if anyone tried this. Since the results should be posted like all of the suburbs do.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
"Palka was five months into his training at the academy when he went to school early on Jan. 25 for some "extra help with firearms,"
O.K. So, first point about the kid is that after 5/6 of his police training is over (as he approaches graduation and meeting civilians on the streets), he still can't shoot straight, and has to go to work early for remedial shooting work. That's one fucked up would be cop. Probably a good thing that he got tossed. I don't want to be anywhere near him in a shooting situation. Not even counting the innocent civilians he'd kill, how many cops would he take down with him.
And anyone here who is really a Chicago cop knows our shooting standards ain't all that difficult.
I think what you're doing is wonderful. getting people to the truth, without the politics. and this guy, filing a lawsuit for being Polish is ridiculous.. I know for a fact the chicago PD doesnt discriminate, I am polish myself and am on the force.
This reminds me of that Polish/
American PPO in 025 that got fired years back. Thats the one where the Polish victim shoved a double sawbuck
in his hand and his FTO got a CR and got him canned. I remember those watch bosses that night trying to save that kid.Didnt burke's wife represent him when he sued to get back?
Whatever happened to that PPO?
And whatever happened to her,the FTO?
Ok, maybe i'm tired because i haven't slept, but even if Tobias said the following...
"You look terrible. We don't need people like you. Get the hell out of my office."
to me it doesn't necessarily imply that he was referring to the recruit's race/nationality.
you look terrible = could be an observation at made at that time of the recruit's uniform/ appearance. he literally looked terrible.
we don't need people like you = "like you" = lazy, disobeying, possibly sloppy recruit
get the hell out of my office = self explanatory. if he needed more explanation, then maybe he deserved to get fired, no question.
am i mising something?
Off Topic
Thank you to all those officers that showed up at the Candle Light Vigil last night at Gold Star Memorial Park. Todays Sun Times, even though it's on page 10, has an article concerning the real meaning of losing an officer and we tried to portray all of you as heroes. Thank you to all that are out there every day protecting the citizens of the City and this country.
Bob Gordon, Gold Star Member
MONEY GRAB! All he needs is a storefront reverand backing him up.
The Recruit was fired becasue he had failed the State Firearms Qualification Twice already. The "extra help" with firearms mentioned in the paper was a 10 Hour Supportive class prior to his making a third and final attempt at the qualification. Even though he had failed twice, he readily admitted to having never read the Manual that the Range Staff provided on day one of his training. When the ADS got word of this, combined with the fact that this Recruit had had trouble in several other areas of the Academy, including following orders, the ADS decided to cut his losses and get rid of this guy.
If you really want a story, do some digging and find out why this guy's father took a very sudden and unplanned early retirement from County. You'll find that some very inappropriate phone calls were placed from the father's office phone regarding the children of certain Academy members following the firing.
doubt it is true, looked terrible maybe a slob? ethnic heritage no way like scc states in this day and age would that happen. just guessing maybe he pissed hot? was a total jagoff? had a punk attiude?
The Department traditionally is VERY, VERY cautious when it comes to reasons for firing recruits. They really have to be a Fuck-up, or completely inept. I am not going to hide the fact that MOST of the "off the boat" Polish that I know on this job are self serving, arrogant assholes who have little or no regard for anyones success or acclaims except there own. Maybe someone from Unit 124 can give a little insight as to the person we are speaking of? Maybe he was a Liability to everyone he would work with on the street. Maybe he turned around on the range, weapon in hand and therefore put all lives in danger. maybe he was a smelly stinking slob. Maybe he had the IQ of a 2 year old. Whatever the case, we must know if the case against the Department is one of merited comlaint, or a result of one's Ego demanding the city employ him because he is Polish, or whatever. Either way, as far as the slurs go, If you can't handle a little Bull Shit about your ethnicity, you have no business being on the job. We all get it, there are no exceptions. I believe that if one feels he has to defend a stereotype, he obviously puts merit to it.
Is it possible he desrved to be terminated?
When I was in the academy, more than a few recruits should have been let go.
One was fired on furlough before we hit the districts. A blessing.
Of those who should have been weeded out:
One is a Sgt.
One is Firefighter/driving a boss
One is in jail
One sleeps on Midnights
Two quit.
Of the other 24 or so....
Maybe 15 are earning their keep.
At least two are a major liability to the city, and a few can't enforce the rules at home with their own kids, let alone enforce the law to the general public.
Let's face it.... out of a 30 recruit homeroom, maybe 5 are good police persons. The rest are gadflies.
Now go get your shinebox
Dont know Tobias.Haven"t heard anything good about him but I seriously doubt race was the issue here(again the trump card,just like daley).But it's about time someone stepped up and prevented someone, who wasn't qualified for this job, from becoming the police.We have enough of them already.THANKS,I feel a little safer.
To: 9/19/2007 02:34:00 AM
Dude, lose the caps key.
FYI, most of us in the workforce are employed "at will." It's only you folks with contracts who need cause for termination.
Q: Who was the highest ranking polish person on this police force?
A: Crossing Guard Stash Gombowski!
And whatever happened to her,the FTO?
9/19/2007 06:45:00 AM
SHE JUST RETIRED. WHAT A USELESS BITCH
am i mising something?
9/19/2007 06:46:00 AM
Yes...an "s"
Hey I'm polish and I've been on this job for 23 years, I guess I just slipped through the cracks of all those racist bosses. But the simple fact remains, if you can't pass the state qualification on your firearm the first time you SHOULD be fired regardless of who you are, what race you are, what sex you are, etc. etc. That test is designed so a blind guy with 4 thumbs and shoots with his foot can pass it.
Word has it the recruit was heard saying "Give me chance Give me chance" To bad attempts that impressions of ethnic accent dont translate well, but you get the idea
he was a good kid and people in class were like little kids. i know for a fact he would help anybody if they needed help. i read these comments and everybody has there opinion. i taught there and observed recruits like little informants running around. we all have are problems in different areas but nobody knows how to stick together and do there job. thats why we are in the paper all the time. even you do not like the person you should have there back because i know for a fact they were screwing with him. people do not see what happens behind close doors and should not comment. if a instructor has a hardon on, you will not get of that academy. the boss know he does some wrong and he will have to face up to that. so guys think before you write because if you were in his shoes you would do the same.
To Gary,
WTF does your post mean? It seems to be a bunch of unconnected words run together.
I don't know this guy, but I seriously doubt he was fired because he was Polish. I will bet you he was an incompetent idiot. Anyone from the Academy care to comment?
One recruit fired - big deal! Have you had to deal with any of the PPO's they are churning out of the academy?? In the past twelve months, I have dealt with recruits who - habitually call in late, request certain cars and partners and go on the medical for a cold. They are young, college educated and come to us with a sense of entitlement. Enough already!
Tobias probably did not mention his race. It's lawyer-speak. The classes which get higher scrutiny are:
Race
Alienage
Religion
Natiaonl Origin
I think there is (1) more that I'm missing. But I'm pretty sure disheveled is not a protected class.
The recruit who shot a hole in the wall downstairs at the firing range was Polish. And even though he came inches away from shooting an instructor in the chest, apparently he wasn't that big of a fuck up....he never got fired. This palka kid sounds like a P.O.S., glad to see him gone.
I am not going to hide the fact that MOST of the "off the boat" Polish that I know on this job are self serving, arrogant assholes who have little or no regard for anyones success or acclaims except there own.
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Wow, SCC...whatever happened to filtering out ignorant comments like these? In light of the fact that you seem to be so proud of the fact that your website is drawing such attention from the non-police public,I would have thought you might want to keep crap like this off of it. Ah, that's ok...the public already thinks we're a bunch of ignorant,racist,morons. Why fight it?
Whats up with the bums working 171 on 2nd watch. Was walking downtown yesterday to grab a bite to eat, and these sorry execuses for police officers were getting out of the wagon looking for more food to spill on their uniform. The one guy had his shirt completely untucked. Looked like a slob. I can only imagine what people who see them think of the police. Tuck in your shirt pudge.
“The Recruit was fired because he had failed the State Firearms Qualification Twice already.”
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It is WRONG to fire him because he could not pass the firearms course. YOU SEE, in his country the bullets come out of the gun in the opposite direction.
He has a good lawsuit after all!
It is WRONG to fire him because he could not pass the firearms course. YOU SEE, in his country the bullets come out of the gun in the opposite direction.
He has a good lawsuit after all!
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I once locked up a polish guy for a DUI and ‘fleeing and eluding’. I pursued him for about 2 miles before he got stuck in traffic.
His attorney, the great lady’s man former Police Superintendent RICHARD BRZECZEK agued that in his country the police hold up some sort of sign to order vehicles to pull over. The ‘fleeing and eluding’ charge was dropped. I guess the fact that you have to know the driving laws in Illinois doesn’t make a difference if you pay $3000 to a connected attorney in Crook County.
If This guy cant handle a little tounge thrashing from the A.D.S. How is he going to handle it on the street when people of different races call him names and derogatory terms/names? I've been called all kinds of shit by people on the street. There's no place for people like that on CPD. This guy would have become a liability to the city and quite possibly brought more hate and discontent towards the department. WTF! Who The hell does he think he is?!?!
hey, once he snitches on another recruit and sues the city, will he get to be a tact sgt under cynthia white?
Ralph Chiczewski is the highest ranking Polack on the force, followed by Capt. Steve Glombicki,
"the ring man!"
GARY said...
IT MATTERS BY EACH SUPERVISOR ON HOW THEY RUN THERE DEPT. WE CAN ALL COME TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS BUT WE WERE NOT THERE AT THAT POLICE ACADEMY. SOMETIMES THAT BRASS GETS TO A PERSONS HEAD AND THEY SAY HE IS AN AT WILL EMPLOYEE. WE DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN ARE ACTIONS FOR ARE DECISION. BUT BY READING THE ARTICLE FOR A MANUAL THE KID GETS CANNED AND HE WAS FORCED TO WRITE OUT THE MANUAL. THATS REAL SMART SUPERVISOR TO DO THAT. WHEN READING OTHER BLOGS IT LOOKS LIKE HE WAS NOT THE ONLY POLISH RECRUIT THAT GOT DISMISSED FROM THE ACADEMY. DOES THE POLICE ACADEMY HAVE SOME SORT OF BOARD TO DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OR IS IT ONLY ADS TOBIAS'S CALL TO GET RID OF AN RECRUIT. BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO REVIEW ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED BECAUSE SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO COME UP TO SEE SOME SORT OF PATTERN AND WHAT KIND OF LAWSUITS AND COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AGAINST THE ACADEMY AND ITS STAFF AND THE ADS. BUT THIS CASE WILL OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WARMS! THANKS SECOND CITY COP FOR ADDRESSING ALL CONCERNS.
9/19/2007 02:34:00 AM
I'd fire you because your writing and grammar sucks!
Anonymous said...
am i mising something?
9/19/2007 06:46:00 AM
Yes...an "s"
9/19/2007 08:29:00 AM
Way too funny....thanks for the laugh.
This guy's father was probably the most ignorant jerk ever to be employed by the Sheriff. That's not an easy title to earn. I’m not sure if he retired or is on suspension w/o pay.
Maybe he can apply in Anchorage. At almost 26 bucks an hour, the annual starting salary is 54 grand.
ANCHORAGE POLICE SEEK APPLICANTS FOR OCT. 6 TESTING
14 September 2007
US Fed News
ANCHORAGE, Alaska, Sept. 14 -- The Anchorage Police Department issued the following news release:
The Anchorage Police Department Recruitment Section is conducting the next Written Test phase of the application process on Saturday - October 6th 2007.
APD Recruiter Officer Steve Haas is stating that a person contemplating taking the test should submit the 'Request to Test' form to the Anchorage Police Department by Monday - October 1st 2007.
Applicants who successfully pass the written test will be eligible for the next tentative scheduled police academy which will be tentatively held in the Spring of 2008.*
The Anchorage Police Department has conducted two basic police officer academies per year recently, in an attempt to add police officers to the force. Currently, APD has 34 Police Officer vacancies - a job that has a starting wage of $25.97 per hour.
Successful applicants also receive paid vacation and sick time, medical/dental/vision insurance, and are covered in the statewide Public Employees Retirement System (PERS).
For a complete description of jobs available at the Anchorage Police Department, please view the website at www.joinapd.org .
For questions, please call Officer Steve Haas at 786-2436.
* Applicants must successfully complete all hiring phases and then must be selected by the Chief of Police. Successful completion of any one phase does not guarantee a position at the APD.
Bottom line:
If he was wasn't a white male he wins this lawsuit
They should come up with a "Dog Ass" meter in the academy to weed out all the "Dog Asses" from coming through and hitting the street. Our department is riddeled with em and it's only getting worse. Maybe 10% tops of the coppers out there do 80% of all the work.
All those millions sitting in a high interest bearing account while we have no contract. Who gets that money? We sure don't! Another 2 years without a contract. Thanks FOP Lodge 7.
Back logs in almost all the districts everyday, every watch. no back up. low morale. unsafe working conditions. 1/2 the cars downed or 1 man. All you new readers to this blog site need to know the truth.
Good riddance, now take aboout 3,000 other worthless p/os and supervisors with you
Q: Who was the highest ranking polish person on this police force?
Matt Rodriguez and Ed Wodnicki, now, it is Chieczewski.
If this guy got fired he must have been a real "winner", judging by the kind of crap they've been minting over at the academy in recent years.
REMEMBER THIS JOB IS FOR THE IRRRRISHHHH (PIRATE VERSION) ONLY ALL YOUZ UTERS ARE INVITED TO PLAY ALONG
I heard after he was fired he jumped into his hot pink Honda civic with a huge spoiler on the back and burned rubber in the parking lot of academy. The winding noise from his super exhaust was so loud that as he speeded away doing 30 mph it set off Tobias’s car alarm.
Back in 1970 I took the exam for the CPD. I scored very high on the list, and thought I had the world by the tail. Before I had a chance to get into the Academy, I got in a bunch of trouble, and ended up in the House of Correction. To get out of there, I had to go into a 2 year drug rehab program. I took me 5 years to finish the program. Slow learner, huh? I eventually left my home city that I love so much, Chicago. I was able to get a vocation as a plumber, marry, have two wonderful kids, and get ordained as a Catholic Deacon. Now, in my later years as I wait for the end, I am grateful that it was ciscovered, by others, way before I realized it, that I would have been the world's worst officer. I would probably have been imprisoned, for a longer time than I was, or have gotten some one hurt, or worse. There are just some people who should not be the police, and I was one of them.
Thank you officers for all that you do. Keep your standards high. Please be assured of our prayers, and pray for us too.
Deacon Paul
Hey Mister FYI: What contract do you speak of?
DANA: The CPD has highly paid spokespersons. Why not use them. I cringe ever time Dana opens his mouff. He talks like a 16th street thug. And the sad thing is that he probably doesn't even realize how stupid he is.
Come to think of it he probably thinks he really deserved his unending merit promotions. Way most who got them think the same way. SAD
Another one bites the dust
CONSTANCE BORGINI WAS THE FTO THAT GOT HER 2 DAY ON THE JOB RECRUIT FIRED BECAUSE SHE SCREWED UP AND LEFT HIM ALONE HE SHOULD HAVE JUST POCKETED THE MONEY AND NOT TOLD THE UGLY BIOCTH HATS OFF TO LT PETE DEFRANCISCO FOR CAVING IN TO HER THREATS TO GET A CR # SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER TO SHUT THE F&CK UP THE MONEY WAS GIVEN BACK AND NO LOSS NO WRONG
that kid was a walking nightmare from day 1. made racist remarks/jokes to me within the first few days at the academy. Spent countless time in front-lean & rest and doing to-froms for pissing off multiple instructors. He was an idiot, already a dog-ass before even graduting the academy. he was a total slob, it is possible the "you look like shit" comment referred to him being out of shape and not wearing his uniform properly.
he also could not shoot whatsoever and failed the qualifications exam at least once, possibly twice, and lied to the range instructors about modifying his weapon.
getting this guy out before becoming sworn was one of the smartest things this department ever did, it's just a total shame they did not also fire the screw-up from his sister class, who has already been booted from her first district of assignment before even completing her training cycles. if you can believe it, she was even worse than he was, and (i am not exaggerating here)utterly terrifying to observe in scenario training.
the idea that one's Polish ethnicity would harm one's ability to be graduated from the academy is a joke. IF anything having a Polish background in the current political climate of Chicago is helpful. Since the early 90's Chicago has experienced a huge influx of Poles. Not hard to imagine a time in the not so distant future when Poles might become the department's new Irish. Got to go drink my OK beer, drive my suped up BMW down Belmont, and drool over my girl's sweet bod.
Out of my recruit class of maybe 30, at least 2 are Captains, about 6 are Lts., 11 are Sgts., several more are detectives, and only a handful still on the job are P.O.'s. 1 was fired and 1 has died. Being the superior being that I was when I came on, I looked around the room at all of the women, the blacks, the hispanics, and the lame, and decided that it was a waste of my time to get to know most of them because at least 50% had no business being the police. I guess I'm glad to say that I was wrong then and may of you are wrong now. This guy may have been unfit and if so, I applaud Tobias as its about time that somebody at the Academy was stopping these incompetents before they hit the Districts. But who knows. . . I'm out of the fortune telling business.
If the recruit cannot pass the state firearms qualification, after the third try and something like 16 hours of one on one training, they are AUTOMATICALLY terminated. They cannot be certified by the state. He can sue all he wants, but he won't get hired back. All the other stuff is just window washing and will probably come out to be totally false.
It must be a SLOW news day for this to be in the news at all, it is totally routine.
GARY said...
You are kind of wrong, the recruits are AT WILL employees and CAN be fired for any reason. There are procedures to be followed when terminating a recruit. As long as they are followed, the firing will stand up in court.
MOST of the recruits who have been fired have gone to court to sue, and NONE have been rehired. As I said, as long as the procedures - required by either law or court case precedence - are followed, the termination will stick.
Now, I can't tell you whether or not the proper procedures were followed...
I just wish the City would fire MORE idiots like this!
Anonymous said...
Ok, maybe i'm tired because i haven't slept, but even if Tobias said the following...
"You look terrible. We don't need people like you. Get the hell out of my office."
to me it doesn't necessarily imply that he was referring to the recruit's race/nationality.
you look terrible = could be an observation at made at that time of the recruit's uniform/ appearance. he literally looked terrible.
we don't need people like you = "like you" = lazy, disobeying, possibly sloppy recruit
get the hell out of my office = self explanatory. if he needed more explanation, then maybe he deserved to get fired, no question.
am i mising something?
9/19/2007 06:46:00
NO you aren't missing anything, I am sure whatever was allegedly said to the recruit, it won't negate the simple bottom line, no pass the shooting, no work at the dept... end of story...bye bye
He isn't the first to be terminated for failing the shooting (and/or the academic ) and he won't be the last.
Maybe someone from Unit 124 can give a little insight as to the person we are speaking of?
Maybe Unit 124 should clam up, this is the subject of a lawsuit and anything on this blog can be discoverable.... NO ONE should be speaking specifically of this case.
HUH.... WHAT OFFICER PUT ANY KIND OF SLURS OR DISPARAGING REMARKS THEY MAKE IN AN OFFICIAL REPORT.
LET ME GUESS ALL THOSE TRAINING THE RECRUITS ARE THE BEST CPD HAS TO OFFER AND WILL NOT ABUSE THE POWER THEY HAVE.
TELL ME TRAINING OFFICER DONT HIT ON NEW RECRUITS FOR SEX.
TELL ME YOU HAVE NOT WORKED WITH SOMEONE IN A DISTRICT AND WISHED THEY WERE NOT ON THE JOB.
AND ITS year and a half for probation. HEAVEN FORBID THE CITY WANTING TO CHANGE THE RULE FOR OFFICER WITH SOME TIME ON THE JOB. RECRUITS SCREW EM.
DONT WORRY WE ALL ARE GOING TO RETIRE AND THE PO'S ON THE JOB WILL SAY SCREW THOSE RETIRED GUYS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
WHAT CUMS AROUND GOES AROUND AND IT MAY LEAVE A BAD TADTE IN YOUR MOUTH.
Tobias is the biggest back stabbing pos on this job (well, one of quite a few).
The homeroom officers keep files on all the recruits to document issues. The Department can fire them at will, but to cover it's ass the city shows a paper trail. Prior to Tobias it didn't matter how f**ked up a recruit was, it seemed that the previous bosses compared a messed up recruit with the most f**ked-up officer they knew on the job. So it was basically he's screwed up but we have worse on the street. At least Tobias is holding them to a standard.
When I was in the academy we had a Irish turkey bird right of the boat,dude was a major f**k up both in the academy and off,BUT he was some higher ups cousin so they carried him with their eyes rolling.
I went to the academy in 89. Most of the instructors were ok, but about 20% were as useless as tits on a bull. Some of them were really ignorant. Lots of brother-in-law jobs in that building. Good hiding place for retards.
To Gary,
How the hell did you get out of fourth grade much less the police academy? Your spelling grammar and syntax are a joke. They should have deep-sixed you for being functionally illiterate. Wow.
The Polish PPO that was fired by the FTO. Never got back on. She went on to fucking other recruits on how to do the JOB. She finally retired.
Elliot...
I went to the academy in 89. Most of the instructors were ok, but about 20% were as useless as tits on a bull. Some of them were really ignorant. Lots of brother-in-law jobs in that building. Good hiding place for retards.
9/19/2007 06:18:00 PM
Retards that passed you through the academy. Try working at academy sometime. Very hard to fire a recruit unless there is proper documentation. At least with Tobias we can actually fire recruits. before, everyone passed. Now we have actual standards that are enforced. Why do FTO's pass every recruit during field training? When was the last time a FTO refused to pass a recruit during field training? Do not blame academy for everything.
Did you hear the one about the Pollock who came home early from work and caught his wife in bed with another guy. The Pollock ran to his dresser and pulled out a gun and put it to his own head. His wife began to laugh at him whereas the Pollock stated "it ain't funny cause you're next
...make that "at will" for the first year and a half, not "just" a year.
"To bad attempts that impressions of ethnic accent dont translate well, but you get the idea"
No, I don't get the idea. Sarcasm, I hope, though...
It's called thinning the herd. We can use some more thinning....start at 35th St.
Let's face it.... out of a 30 recruit homeroom, maybe 5 are good police persons. The rest are gadflies.
Now go get your shinebox
Wow. You and four others are good police persons. How nice of you to count yourself in.
The kid who almost killed the instructor was Serbian
It's a real shame to lose him. He had upper-management written all over him
9/19/2007 02:38:00 AM
He was meant for greatness on the Area 2 Midnite mission team with sergeant no balls, until he got the Area 2 Gun team
I remeber Dan Harrison when he got fired while in the Academy. This Poor guy was called a sand Ni@@er by a LT. of Police "BF" Dan may have had a chip on his shoulder but did not deserve what he got. LT Bob is a POS for sure and I hear he is sueing to get back on I wish him luck as I know for fact that at least two other PO'S heard what the LT said. For fuck sake he said loud enough for the entire second floor to hear.
Whats up with the bums working 171 on 2nd watch. Was walking downtown yesterday to grab a bite to eat, and these sorry execuses for police officers were getting out of the wagon looking for more food to spill on their uniform. The one guy had his shirt completely untucked. Looked like a slob. I can only imagine what people who see them think of the police. Tuck in your shirt pudge.
9/19/2007 10:41:00 AM
Yeah, wagon men in 001 on days, you think they give a fuck what you or anyone think?
TOPPER is the POLISH Seiser....
The only problem I see with this guy getting fired is that he wouldn't have been fired (IF) he was someone's kid and you all know what I mean.
ron said...
he was a good kid and people in class were like little kids. i know for a fact he would help anybody if they needed help. i read these comments and everybody has there opinion. i taught there and observed recruits like little informants running around. we all have are problems in different areas but nobody knows how to stick together and do there job. thats why we are in the paper all the time. even you do not like the person you should have there back because i know for a fact they were screwing with him. people do not see what happens behind close doors and should not comment. if a instructor has a hardon on, you will not get of that academy. the boss know he does some wrong and he will have to face up to that. so guys think before you write because if you were in his shoes you would do the same.
9/19/2007 09:28:00 AM
Ron, how were you able to instruct at the academy when it's obvious you desperately need an education?
He Should have been Fired..like the Stupid broad in the 06-3 class who kept dropping her gun and RUNNING away..During simulations!!
Shes' also Sueing to get reinstated!?! WTF! Go have another Baby, Blondie!
Not EVERYONE at 35th and state is fucked up...just so you know. ;)
Why do FTO's pass every recruit during field training? When was the last time a FTO refused to pass a recruit during field training? Do not blame academy for everything.
9/19/2007 10:00:00 PM
I refused to certify two recruits, went through all the hoops at the Training Division, had a hearing, everything.
They gave them one more chance. One got fired within a year for pissing hot, the other is a midnight officer that works 99 most nights as everyone refuses to work with him. He's a walking CR number and a supervisor's nightmare.
Good riddance to the recruit in question,,,at least someone had the balls to launch him before he became a 25 year headache for his coworkers and supervisors.
im polish so im allowed to say the following: this sloppy self serving polock probably had less than a year in this country and came to america thinking that everyone was going to kiss his ass. well sorry to dissapoint. thank god they shit canned him.
I'm an American 'Pollack', CPD, PO! I must agree that MOST of the "Off The Boat" Pols are selfish and self absorbed on and off the job. Don't get me started about my neighbors up here in 016..
“The Recruit was fired because he had failed the State Firearms Qualification Twice already.”
Well, what did you expect? There used to be a rifle range at Chicago Park District facilities back in the day. Now a days, the little children of Chicago have practically NO CHANCE of becoming Olympic Marksmen (in spite of the fact that the Fat Leprechaun Fuck wants to HOST the 2016 Games), thanks to the Mayor and Alderclowns disregard of our Constitutional rights as proscribed under the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Palka isn't entirely to blame for his failing to pass Firearms - we have plenty of others to blame!
Yes, thats right...you who voted in the jackass anti-gun Alderclowns and anti-gun Mayor. Shame on YOU scoundrels!
I've noticed that many of the bloggers here are quick to label others as "lazy worthless dogs" etc. It is to those bloggers that this post is addressed.
It is not for you, or any other PO to judge their work ethic. I know a few of these "dogs", and they have forgotten more about police work than you'll ever know.
Get off of your high horse you arrogant, self-righteous fuck heads.
there is alot of funny comments on this blog. i dont know the kid but i see when sitting with my partner i have to watch my back when talking. i heard about him from some of my guys at 124 and they said he was a little goofy sometimes but when it came down to business he was serious. what i observed is that the range officers did not like him and were finding any little thing to get the attention of the ads. if he was such a bad recruit he would of not made it in the academy for five months because i know that for a fact the gym staff is really hard and he would of not made the power test if he was a slob and lazy. i know i had a hard time with the gym portion when we had Mr. T's brother what a machine! Good luck to this recruit because i know for a fact he gots some people at 124 on his side. too bad his hri could not help him they said he is a very nice guy and was good cop but is on somebodies hockey team! but the other hri i heard had a real screw up and got her through. i wish i knew her name but they forgot they seen her wandering the academy again what a joke!
OFF TOPIC BUT: Just thought it should be mentioned; we lost sa great guy Sunday night. Paul Clisham, 14 year veteran, age 37 succombed to his three year battle with cancer. Anyone who knows any of the Clisham family..... Dad, who was the retired Commander of 023, Michael in the Mounted Unit and John of A/1 Detective Division, knows that this is a REAL police family. It was great to see the turn-out at the wake. Paulie, we'll miss you and we'll take care of your family!
And the Serbian was a fuck up too . . . just got lucky.
We got this moron in third watch in 017. This goof acts like a teenager w/ a badge.Not an ounce of professionalism. Tries to talk like a shithead and tries to be their friend. Fucking know it all. You know the type that can't shut the fuck up but doesn't know squat. I wonder how someone so immature made it through the Psych Test, then the academy, then Field training. He's gonna fuck around and get someone hurt. Can't wait 'til he gets sent to midnights or days. Any guesses?
There's a Polish GOD working in 009 on 3-11pm. He is a stalwart figure with amazing skills with the ladies. He croons like no man alive and keeps the watch entertained. He's a tough old SOB too. Now that guy deserves to be named. Let's give it up for Jimmy "Five Times"....the coolest cat around! YA DIG?
Anonymous said...
Why do FTO's pass every recruit during field training? When was the last time a FTO refused to pass a recruit during field training? Do not blame academy for everything.
9/19/2007 10:00:00 PM
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Ask the 003rd Dist. about PPO E.T.
She is a walking nightmare and they passed her. Now she is back at the Academy for a FTO board hearing and because all of her FTO's in 003 passed her - guess what?
003 gets her back!
Maybe one of you that passed her can now be her partner.
You've got 6 months to drop a whole bunch of paper on this one or she will permanetly become CPD giving us 20+ yrs. of headaches and lawsuits.
Step up to the plate 003 and do your job.
eddy said...
there is alot of funny comments on this blog. i dont know the kid but i see when sitting with my partner i have to watch my back when talking. i heard about him from some of my guys at 124 and they said he was a little goofy sometimes but when it came down to business he was serious. what i observed is that the range officers did not like him and were finding any little thing to get the attention of the ads. if he was such a bad recruit he would of not made it in the academy for five months because i know that for a fact the gym staff is really hard and he would of not made the power test if he was a slob and lazy. i know i had a hard time with the gym portion when we had Mr. T's brother what a machine! Good luck to this recruit because i know for a fact he gots some people at 124 on his side. too bad his hri could not help him they said he is a very nice guy and was good cop but is on somebodies hockey team! but the other hri i heard had a real screw up and got her through. i wish i knew her name but they forgot they seen her wandering the academy again what a joke!
9/20/2007 03:12:00 AM
IF YOU HAVE CLOUT YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT FOR EXAMPLE WHEN THE IDIOT FEMALE L.C GOT INTO A DOMESTIC AND KILLED HER BOYFRIEND SHE WAS KICKED OUT BUT SEEING HOW HER MOMMY IS ALDERMAN BURKES TOP PRECINCT CAPTAIN SHE WAS BROUGHT BACK IN, AND THEN GIVEN MANY GREAT SPOTS BUT LOSING ALL OF THEM DUE TO MENTAL PROBLEMS! AGAIN CLOUT RULES WITHOUT IT DO SOMETHING WRONG ANYTHING YOUR FIRED!
Anonymous said...
...make that "at will" for the first year and a half, not "just" a year.
9/19/2007 10:48:00 PM
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It Is. Where the hell have you been? Oh I forgot watching DVD movies on your PDT for your 8 hours.
If he was a dim wit multiplied by 20 and:
1) had mommy or daddy on the job
2) was irish or
3)kissed ass
then he would have been in a district and received 5 honorable mentions and a DC by now
!
All that is required to fire a recruit is to document all the issues that arise. When it goes to court he or she will lose; no paper and they will reinstate. The academy learned this hte hard way.
when i was a recruit in the academy i asked an instructer a question and he responded "f**k you you irish piece of s**t, kept on going, real macho type, real hateful. he got dumped to the district where i was a sergeant. he was a pathetic little man...
HATER said...
HUH.... WHAT OFFICER PUT ANY KIND OF SLURS OR DISPARAGING REMARKS THEY MAKE IN AN OFFICIAL REPORT.
LET ME GUESS ALL THOSE TRAINING THE RECRUITS ARE THE BEST CPD HAS TO OFFER AND WILL NOT ABUSE THE POWER THEY HAVE.
TELL ME TRAINING OFFICER DONT HIT ON NEW RECRUITS FOR SEX.
TELL ME YOU HAVE NOT WORKED WITH SOMEONE IN A DISTRICT AND WISHED THEY WERE NOT ON THE JOB.
AND ITS year and a half for probation. HEAVEN FORBID THE CITY WANTING TO CHANGE THE RULE FOR OFFICER WITH SOME TIME ON THE JOB. RECRUITS SCREW EM.
DONT WORRY WE ALL ARE GOING TO RETIRE AND THE PO'S ON THE JOB WILL SAY SCREW THOSE RETIRED GUYS THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
WHAT CUMS AROUND GOES AROUND AND IT MAY LEAVE A BAD TADTE IN YOUR MOUTH.
9/19/2007 05:41:00 PM
Thanks for checking in Stosh...but you no case.
Not EVERYONE at 35th and state is fucked up...just so you know. ;)
9/20/2007 01:21:00 AM
How 'bout the folks at 35th & Michigan?
tak tak!!!
I love these "old school coppers" who talk about "well back in the day" or " what its like to do real police work" ! Give me a break! U were the knew guy once too! And have you ever thought that the people who are running the FOP, and this messed up department are people who "have time on the job"! Also the cops who make the news for stupid shit are always more the not, cops with "time on the job"! We are all on the same team!! This blog is fun to read but it is full of bitter old cops who are probably divorced because they drank too much or thought they were chic magnets.
I attended a CPD recruit graduation this summer, in which the Class Commander was a tall, young Polish Lad. He spoke with a crisp accent, but his speech went very well. I was impressed with the kid, not only was he Class Commander, but he picked up an additional award or two also during the ceremony. This one that they fired must have been a real tool!
I remember a useless FTO in 006. Never got out of the car, never showed any of his recruits anything. No drug arrests, no hot cars, no UUWs, NOTHING. Each arrest he brought in took over 2 or 3 hrs. The recruits were all miserable working with this guy.
I think they tried to bounce his ass out of the FTO program, but the Academy wouldn't budge. He's still here in 006, slumbering along. A disgrace to the FTO program.
State Firearms Qualification Twice already.”
Well, what did you expect? There used to be a rifle range at Chicago Park District facilities back in the day. Now a days, the little children of Chicago have practically NO CHANCE of becoming Olympic Marksmen (in spite of the fact that the Fat Leprechaun Fuck wants to HOST the 2016 Games), thanks to the Mayor and Alderclowns disregard of our Constitutional rights as proscribed under the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Palka isn't entirely to blame for his failing to pass Firearms - we have plenty of others to blame!
Yes, thats right...you who voted in the jackass anti-gun Alderclowns and anti-gun Mayor. Shame on YOU scoundrels!**************************************
Do I have this straight? This poster says that the anti gun lobby is the reason that this recruit can't shoot? Because he didn't practice enough before he came on the job? Are you fucking kidding me? Is this a sarcastic post? Because if it is not it is by far one of the dumbest things that have ever been written on SCC. I don't like Daley either but WTF are you talking about? You cannot possible be this stupid. Please tell us you were kidding.
palka never ever had a clean or ironed shirt. shoes were never shined, shirt was always half tucked in with the tie all f'd up. he literally "looked terrible". he was not smart and this city should be thankful he is not on the department. he always got the class in trouble because of his stupidity. he was so bad he made pvt pile from full metal jacket look like god!
You're a real tool. WHY do you think PPO E.T. is back at the Academy? Obviously, because her FTO's didn't "pass" her. If they had, SHE WOULDN'T BE BACK THERE!!!
It would appear that 022 DIDN'T do their job, and "passed the problem" onto 003, where the FTO there handled his business correctly! Shame on the blind mice in the Academy and 022 who wouldn't disqualify her in the first place!
This guy is not off-the-boat Polish. Aside from his name you wouldn't even know he has Polish ancestory. He was in my class. This whole racial thing is just to cover up what an idiot he is. Nobody had it out for him, he brought everything on himself. If you ask me, and any other member of the class, he should have been booted the first week. Just shows you that the academy tried to help him and gave him multiple chances.
U were the knew guy once too!
9/20/2007 01:37:00 PM
I don't know nuthin'! And you don't seem to know too much either.
Anonymous said...
We got this moron in third watch in 017. This goof acts like a teenager w/ a badge.Not an ounce of professionalism. Tries to talk like a shithead and tries to be their friend. Fucking know it all. You know the type that can't shut the fuck up but doesn't know squat. I wonder how someone so immature made it through the Psych Test, then the academy, then Field training. He's gonna fuck around and get someone hurt. Can't wait 'til he gets sent to midnights or days. Any guesses?
9/20/2007 08:23:00 AM
E.M.?
Scc, Very well said.
Anonymous said...
You're a real tool. WHY do you think PPO E.T. is back at the Academy? Obviously, because her FTO's didn't "pass" her. If they had, SHE WOULDN'T BE BACK THERE!!!
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Get you facts straight - TOOL!
She is back at the academy because a LT on 003 requested a "board" on her. But, because there is NO BAD PAPER in her file from 022 or 003 she is being sent back to the dist.
003 - YOU HAVE 6 MONTHS TO DOCUMENT EVERYTHING BEFORE SHE BECOMES PERMANENT CPD.
You're a real tool. WHY do you think PPO E.T. is back at the Academy? Obviously, because her FTO's didn't "pass" her. If they had, SHE WOULDN'T BE BACK THERE!!!
It would appear that 022 DIDN'T do their job, and "passed the problem" onto 003, where the FTO there handled his business correctly! Shame on the blind mice in the Academy and 022 who wouldn't disqualify her in the first place!
9/20/2007 06:37:00 PM
Hey, the decision to move her to 003 didn't come from 022, why don't you investigate something before you open your big mouth? All the proper steps were taken by 022 personnel, it was someone downtown who made that command decision.
We got this moron in third watch in 017. This goof acts like a teenager w/ a badge.Not an ounce of professionalism. Tries to talk like a shithead and tries to be their friend. Fucking know it all. You know the type that can't shut the fuck up but doesn't know squat. I wonder how someone so immature made it through the Psych Test, then the academy, then Field training. He's gonna fuck around and get someone hurt. Can't wait 'til he gets sent to midnights or days. Any guesses?
9/20/2007 08:23:00 AM
oh thats easy... heard the commander eats at his old mans place for free... if memory serves the cmdr. asked that he be assigned there... good luck 017
>>We got this moron in third watch in 017. This goof acts like a teenager w/ a badge.
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HAHAHAH! Didnt he get Handcuffed to a tree by his class? There are pictures I have heard.
As they say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree....this guys father was the BIGGEST A-HOLE on the County dole...he got involved in the firing, calls made aplenty, Tobias wouldnt back down, then this MORON started making inquiries and calls about Tobias' family (all from a county phone...thank the Lord for his stupidity)
yeah the comment on the county phone is very funny! you got to be stupid to use that phone cuz the feds listen to that phone all the time. all calls are monitored and every employee knows that. this blog makes me laugh.
to all p.o.'s/bosses in 003, please do what you can to make sure ppo E.T. never gets rid of that first "P"!
finally somebody went after matt. he knows what he did in the past ignoring all those complaints, now its all going to come out. all his friends work there and now are scared to lose there cushion jobs. i would love to work at the academy but i was never in sos so im not good enough.
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