Heavy Weapons
- MIAMI - Patrol officers here will have the option of carrying assault rifles as they try to combat the rise in the use of similar weapons by criminals, the city’s police chief said Sunday.
The chief, John F. Timoney, approved the policy last week, before a Miami-Dade police officer was killed on Thursday in a shootout with a man wielding an assault rifle.
“This is something we do not do with any relish,” Chief Timoney said. “We do this reluctantly.”
Nice comment chief - "reluctantly." How about using the word "eagerly" instead? You want your cops undergunned?
Interestingly, we've been hearing rumblings from numerous sources that the reason the Department took the Tahoes from the watches and gave them to supervisors is because there's a possibility of rifles being assigned to street supervisors. This would actually be a huge step in the right direction of insuring that appropriate firepower is available in a timely fashion.
Which also means we'll probably never see it while Daley is in office.
Interestingly, we've been hearing rumblings from numerous sources that the reason the Department took the Tahoes from the watches and gave them to supervisors is because there's a possibility of rifles being assigned to street supervisors. This would actually be a huge step in the right direction of insuring that appropriate firepower is available in a timely fashion.
Which also means we'll probably never see it while Daley is in office.
Labels: department issues, gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
63 Comments:
I am all for one or two heavy weaponry cars rolling in each district.
However, I feel if each PO buys and trains on the weapon, he should be able to carry it.
The rifle does my no good in the Sgt's Tahoe parked in the station while he/she is shooting this shit. If you need one, you need it pronto. Like the bullshit with the Tasers.
We are a REactive department, not PROactive.
I know of many occasions where PO's have been shot at with automatic rifles/handguns.
We won't even start the dialogue with city hall until we have dead PO's.
Very sad.
When Al Qaeda comes to blow up the Olympics in Chicago, I can stop them with my 9mm.
If that doesn't work, perhaps I can chuck my antiquated Microslate computer at them seeing as it is the only other thing in the car.
Perhaps verbal judo!
Back Osama!
We're never going to have any high-powered weapons in the Tahoe's
oh that's what we need now sgt's with shotguns. we can't even get a supervisor with a taser to come out when we call for one.We must be the most pussified department in the country.all po's not just fto's should be able to carry tasers.when i'm wrestling with some nut i don't want to have to wait for someone to show up with a god damn taser.a monkey could be trained to use a taser so why can't i(no pun intended).Same thing with these shotguns and assault rifles,why can't we train to use these, oh i forgot half the department can't even pass the striker fire course.Thank god there are still a few supervisors in our district with balls (D.J.,E.M.,and N.S) to show up and help out as well as a few fto's bluelight b and uncle m to help us lowely po's in our time of need. KEEP ZAPPING!!!
Sgts with rifles, yeah right. Our lazy Sgts won't even carry tazers because they might need to do paper.
025 War Dog
HEAVY WEAPONS? COME ON! AFTER 91-- SOS OFFICERS WERE CARRING HEAVY WEAPONS AT THE AIRPORTS DALEY GETS WIND AND ORDERS THEM TO BE REMOVED AS IT "INTIMIDATES" PEOPLE WTF! I STILL REMEMBER SHOTGUNS IN THE CARS TAKE THEM INTO A BAR FIGHT CHAMBER ONE THE PLACE IS DEAD SILENT AND THEN PEACE RESTORED QUICKLY! GOD HELP US IF WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM HERE WE ARE SO UNDER GUNNED IT IS PATHETIC!
"DALEY GETS WIND AND ORDERS THEM TO BE REMOVED AS IT "INTIMIDATES" PEOPLE "
CAN JUST IMAGINE THE LIES HE WAS TELLING @ THE RECRUIT GRADUATION.
"A BA BA EBBY BOBBY NOES GUNZ KILL, BUT I BEEN PROTECTED ALL MY LIFE, BY MENZ WIT BIG GUNZ"
I don't need any approval for heavy weopons, I always bring my Bushmaster M4 in the trunk of the squad! If it's that bad to where I am forced to use it, the last thing I could care about would be getting fired from this job !!!
Its not the old west, forget those heavy weapons. Just use the tools god gave you. Why does no one put hands on the bad guys? Are you all just punks?
With all the bodyguards daley has, what does he give a fuck about the ordinary bloke. He and his family are safe!
Chicago is NOT a target!
Hom many times do I have to tell you?
Your being silly.
I told you, I closed Meigs field to prevent terrorist attacks!
Does Daley even know/care that we are the laughing stock of police departments?
God send this fuck to federal prison already and get a mayor with BALLS!
Hey
if citizens in Chicago cannot own guns,
why should cops have them? Why does a cop need a AR15 in Chicago, if they are banned in Chicago?
Why arent cops sticking up for the gunowner in Chicago, who got busted for too many guns?
Tijuana (Mexico) Police got slingshots for weapons about 6 months back.
I think Chicago will go this route.
I agree that every watch should have one or two heavy weapons cars per District, but training should be voluntary, difficult, and not politically correct. (Is Dana Starks, or some other boss or politician going to call when one of his dollies or male incompetents can't pass the course, like the recent contraversy in the Mounted Unit?) Heavy weapons are a necessity in this day and age, but look around you. Many of us aren't capable of handling heavy weapons. Flame me if you want, but the truth is the truth.
I heard a P.O. in 016 a couple of weeks ago was calling for a taser and when squad called the only Sgt available, he related to have that unit call him in the station....
never going to happen. in fact, if we shoot just one more of these honor students He will take all of our guns away!
Anonymous said...
oh that's what we need now sgt's with shotguns. we can't even get a supervisor with a taser to come out when we call for one.We must be the most pussified department in the country.
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With all the cheating and the merit that goes into making one of these re-re's a sgt, do YOU really want one of them showing up with a long gun????????
Heavy weapons!?!?! Let's get real. Look at the new handgun order...no one even understands it and now they have you qualifying with every gun you carry. How absurd. I carry a 9mm (full size) Beretta. Now to carry my smller 9 shot Beretta I have to qualify with it even though it is exactly the same gun and firing system. That is a waste of time, money and energy. I would rather have them give me more ammo to practice with on my mothly trek to the academy range on Sat. And I would like to carry my own .223 after I qualify with it.
Wanna see some heavy weapons? Look in the trunk of the stuttering idiot's tail car and in
Alderscum's burkes as well.
jeez, they wouldn't need heavy weapons if THEY had a nifty little program like WE do where citizens turn in all of their guns....that's why shitcago is so peaceful and safe now!
TO 6;26AM -- YOU REMEMBER THEM CARRYING THE SHOTGUNS INTO TAVERNS AND CHAMBERING ONE... WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING, YOUR TELLING WAR STORIES YOU HEARD FROM COPPERS WHO HAVE BEEN RETIRED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. VERY FEW OLD TIMERS LEFT WHO CARRIED SHOTGUNS IN THE CARS AND BY THE WAY YOU WRITE... YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM... BUT A GUY WHO SITS AT THE BARSTOOL LISTENING TO OLD TIMERS WAR STORIES.. DO SOME WORK AND GET YOUR OWN STORIES TO TELL
I see it right now in my head, "CHECK OUT MY SHOTGUN YO!!!" From the mouth of 1120 3rd watch or as he says it 11DUBS. Maybe the department will do mental evals before they give out these aparent weapons to sgt's.
-011 dist 3rd watch po
Taking a shotgun to a barfight is probably one of the main reasons why there will never be heavy weapons in our cars....It is exactly that type of thinking that had them removed in the first place. If you need a shotgun at a barfight, then you are a coward who needs to find another job!!
Well, when it happens and we need the firepower who do we call? SWAT? How long will take for a unit to arrive with firepower? How many police officers lives are worth of having something simple at our immedate disposal? Waiting for a Sgt. with a TAHOE either is not the answer. There's a lot of Sgt's. that are trained with a TASER and choose not to carry one. We have to wait several minutes and maybe a FTO will show up with his PPO. You think there's even a few(SGT)capiable of even fire a heavy weapon? Not so sure on this one! There are many Sgt's that are over exceeding the maximum weight limit for their duty belts and surely could not be physically fit in a crisis situation for physical activity. I'm not bashing SGT's just the fat lazy ones.
Just remember friends, in the land of anti-gun hysteria it takes an officer dying to get something sensible like this pushed through. To them we are expendable and will be sacrificed upon the altar of Political Correctness. From a few year ago:
"Sept. 21, 2004
(AP) Police in Springfield, Illinois, are searching for a gunman who walked into the state Capitol and fatally shot an unarmed security guard Monday
At a news conference Monday night, Blagojevich expressed his sympathy to the victim's family and called for tighter security, including metal detectors and possibly weapons for the security force"
To me, it is a catestrophic failure of leadership and Dereliction of Duty by the (acting) Superintendent to place POs on the streets without a patrol rifle in each squad car
Forget rifles and shotguns kids....FLAMETHROWERS! THAT'S RIGHT, TORCH THESE BITCHES!
025 War Dog
WHAT A WEIRDO
THE FIRST THING WE NEED IS A POLICE CHIEF LIKE THE ONE IN GARY,IN. (CHIEF HOUSTON). IMAGINE HIM TALKING TO THE MEDIA , REV'S AND COMMUNITY SPOKESPEOPLES IN CHI-TOWN, AND TELLING EM LIKE IT IS. WE WPOULD NEVER HAVE DISGRUNTLED P.O.'S AND EVERONE WPOULD BE SIGNING UP TPO BE THE CHICAGO POPO.
I know this sounds sexist and it's not meant to be, but Iwould hate to see a 125lbs Female running around with something that could easily be taken away from her and used to inflict serious damage.
Perhaps a baby step in the right direction. The average watch only has between 2 and 3 supervisors on the street at any given time. In their infinite wisdom, the rocket scientists at 35th and Michigan, most of whom haven't been in a beat car in over 20 years, moved the Tahoe to the 20 sector sergeant. Not having a clue about the Patrol Division, they haven't yet realized that many watches don't put up a 20 sector sergeant because we are still cursed with 3 different start times on second and third watch. Another thing they haven't figured in, (mostly because they've never actually been the police), is that shit can jump off at any time, and it's usually over in a few minutes. Eventually the Tahoe will have to be downed for service. Where will the assault weapons be when that happens? Or when the Sergeant is stuck in the station handling some of the tons of B.S. that are heaped on us by 35th & Michigan every day? Or eating lunch? Or attending a beat meeting with his/her radio turned off? Or taking a crap? Or there aren't enough sergeants working? It's just typical of the Department. This was decided by someone who is a political hack, and nobody with any sense of reality had the stones to step up and say something for fear of being launched back to Patrol. The odds of a Sergeant who is actually capable of handling an automatic weapon, and has the balls to use it, being able to respond in a timely manner to a developing situation are at best 1 in 4.
In Tight Budget Times, San Antonio To Allow Police To Carry Own Assault Rifles At Work, But Will Provide Ammunition
From The San Antonio Express-News, September 12
SAN ANTONIO, TEX. – Police Chief William McManus has authorized a new policy that will allow any officer in the department to carry his or her own assault rifle while on duty, an expansion of firepower that some consider critical in defending against heavily armed suspects.
Created in light of a limited budget, the allowance will take effect as soon as the Police Department acquires enough ammunition to issue to officers who choose to bring their own rifles to work. According to police union president Teddy Stewart, that could be a great many......
9/18/2007 09:54:00 AM
I stick up for honest law abiding gun owners. I refuse to charge for the Failure to Register and the Banned Weapons charge (MCC 8-50-020) They are all BS UUW or nothing at all.
As far as heavy weapons go, screw giving them to Supervisors seeing that we know a good majority of them are useless as tits on a bull. How about arming some of the prior service police officers that have the proper training instilled into us, we don't have the rinky dink training that the city would offer us.
TO "ANONYMOUS" TODAY'S DATE AT 4:59PM, THE LAST TWO OR THREE OFFICERS REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN DISARMED ON THE CPD HAVE BEEN MEN.
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR POINT?
DO YOU THINK AN ASSAULT WEAPON CAN'T BE (0R WON'T BE) TAKEN FROM A MALE OFFICER? GET OVER YOURSELF, STUD!!
They are looking at prototype vehicle-rifle racks for the tahoes, if you poked your head in the conference room at R&D they had two on display with the specs on poster boards last week.
to 12:21 you cannot be the police. I was for 32 years and have been retired for 4 years now. 007 bar fights were bad. 008 at the California tap were really bad back in the 70,s. If you were stupid enough to go in there w/o fire power you were toast. Go F--- yourself.
Sgts with the heavy weapons...have you seen how many pussified politically conected boses there are? They are so sacared of the streets, they could not even fight there way out of a piss soaked paper bag, just look at the bosses in the 20th and 16th districts...yeah right!! Trust them for my back up
Anonymous said...
Heavy weapons!?!?! Let's get real. Look at the new handgun order...no one even understands it and now they have you qualifying with every gun you carry. How absurd. I carry a 9mm (full size) Beretta. Now to carry my smller 9 shot Beretta I have to qualify with it even though it is exactly the same gun and firing system. That is a waste of time, money and energy. I would rather have them give me more ammo to practice with on my mothly trek to the academy range on Sat. And I would like to carry my own .223 after I qualify with it.
9/18/2007 11:00:00 AM
You have to qualify with every weapon you carry, stupid, because way too many of you "officers" don't take care of your guns and the department wants to ensure your alternate/auxiliary weapons actually works.One day after the fax was sent reminding you "officers" to qualify, an officer reported to area 5 range with a non functioning revolver he has NEVER shot and has carried for about 16 years. So cry, baby, the department wants you to have a gun that works,sould you god forbid you need it.Oh yeah, you get 100 rounds of practice ammo a year, it's not much, but it's a start, so stop bitching and answer that domestic tuff guy.
"I know this sounds sexist and it's not meant to be, but Iwould hate to see a 125lbs Female running around with something that could easily be taken away from her and used to inflict serious damage.
9/18/2007 04:59:00 PM"
IT IS SEXIST& IGNORANT.
I'LL TAKE A LEVEL HEADED FEMALE WHO CAN SHOOT ANY DAY OVER SOME 250LB TUFFGUY W/ THE BUZZCUT & GLOVES LIKE YOURSELF SO JACKED TO THROW SOME LEAD DOWN RANGE HE WINDS UP SHOOTING ANOTHER OFFICER.
reply to 12:21pm
Gee, I must be one of the "cowards" you speak about. 36 years ago, we had 6 banger squads, no power anything, one man cars on the west side and no wakie-takie radios. We did walk into barfights ALONE a lot of times, and yes, the loudest sound in the world is the sound of a round being jacked into the chamber. It saved many a copper from getting his ass kicked. But then again, thats ancient history, but thats when we still had fun.
Anonymous said...
I don't need any approval for heavy weopons, I always bring my Bushmaster M4 in the trunk of the squad! If it's that bad to where I am forced to use it, the last thing I could care about would be getting fired from this job !!!
9/18/2007 07:49:00 AM
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Good for you. I am going to start to as well.
Take my job, I'll be alive to get another.
Anonymous said...
Hey
if citizens in Chicago cannot own guns,
why should cops have them? Why does a cop need a AR15 in Chicago, if they are banned in Chicago?
Why arent cops sticking up for the gunowner in Chicago, who got busted for too many guns?
9/18/2007 09:54:00 AM
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First off, I believe every LAW-ABIDING citizen should have the right to own a firearm.
I feel bad for the citizens of Chicago who can be arrested for defending their homes and families.
By the way, the Supreme Court will be taking up the issue very soon based on a similar law in D.C. and Chicago will very likely get this law overturned and citizens will have the right to own firearms, as per our Constitution.
That being said, I will arrest thugs for guns. I refuse, repeat refuse, to arrest Joe Citizen for owning firearms in Chicago. Many PO's feel the same as me. From what I heard of this last guy, he was selling guns illegally on the street. He got caught in a sting. No one condones that.
Lastly, Cops DO need AR-15's.
We live next to Indiana which has some of the most liberal gun laws in the states.
The thugs are packing AR's, AK-47's, Tec-9's, Mac 10's, etc.
I can speak of at least ten shootings that I know of where PO's have been shot at with these weapons. They are on the streets and the thugs don't obey the rules.
I hope I have opened your eyes to the issue.
Anonymous said...
reply to 12:21pm
Gee, I must be one of the "cowards" you speak about. 36 years ago, we had 6 banger squads, no power anything, one man cars on the west side and no wakie-takie radios. We did walk into barfights ALONE a lot of times, and yes, the loudest sound in the world is the sound of a round being jacked into the chamber. It saved many a copper from getting his ass kicked. But then again, thats ancient history, but thats when we
had fun
*****HERE ARE MORE MEMORIES THE PARTIES IN THE LOTS AFTER THE WATCH, THE WATCH PARTIES (ALL NIGHT LONG), COMARADERIE, NO SNITCHING, GOOD BOSSES WITH EARLY OUTS, TO GET A DAY OR STAY ON A WATCH "THE DRAWER IS OPEN", NO VIDEO CAMERAS, NO CELL PHONES! YES! WE HAD FUN AND IT WAS JOY TO COME TO WORK, NOW WE HAVE SO MANY BOSSES WHO ARE COWARDS AND WILL STAND UP FOR THE WATCH, ALL YES MEN AT THE TOP NO BALLS!
Yea, give a carbine to a supervisor, or a shotgun...give the same to the dicks...they would stand with their thumbs up their ass, and listen to people scream for help, and shots fired, until all victims on the 009 district, 39th street factory murders were dead...ONLY when phat phil ordered in SWAT did coppers go in...the asshole had shot himself...SWAT finished him.....the only "claimed kill" in SWAT history at that time.
I like my Colt 6920 AR15,nope wont be fillin out a card,EVER!!
I like the idea of buying and training on a weapon and carrying it in the squad...you northsiders wouldn't understand, unless U rolled up on a southside gunfight with multiple offenders, who all then directed their gunfire at the POLICE...WHY???, because we are a common enemy to gangbanger assholes...WTF??? A SERGEANT??? The best help fast is a good partner and a good weapon...FYI...most gunfights are OVER in 3-5 minutes...get a boss there that quick....sshhhiiittt...
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To 9/18/2007 11:46 am and others of the same mind....yes, ASSHOLE, we carried our own shotguns or other weapons into a gun-fight or bar-fight, or street-fight..we were not the shit-hole politico program of CAPS ( or have U not checked the City corrupt people who are collecting $$$ for just showing-up ?? ) YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR NO COMMON-SENSE... INDICTED IS BETTER THAN DEAD...
Anonymous said...
Hey
if citizens in Chicago cannot own guns,
why should cops have them? Why does a cop need a AR15 in Chicago, if they are banned in Chicago?
Why arent cops sticking up for the gunowner in Chicago, who got busted for too many guns?
9/18/2007 09:54:00 AM
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First off, I believe every LAW-ABIDING citizen should have the right to own a firearm.
I feel bad for the citizens of Chicago who can be arrested for defending their homes and families.
By the way, the Supreme Court will be taking up the issue very soon based on a similar law in D.C. and Chicago will very likely get this law overturned and citizens will have the right to own firearms, as per our Constitution.
That being said, I will arrest thugs for guns. I refuse, repeat refuse, to arrest Joe Citizen for owning firearms in Chicago. Many PO's feel the same as me. From what I heard of this last guy, he was selling guns illegally on the street. He got caught in a sting. No one condones that.
Lastly, Cops DO need AR-15's.
We live next to Indiana which has some of the most liberal gun laws in the states.
The thugs are packing AR's, AK-47's, Tec-9's, Mac 10's, etc.
I can speak of at least ten shootings that I know of where PO's have been shot at with these weapons. They are on the streets and the thugs don't obey the rules.
I hope I have opened your eyes to the issue.
Well,
nothing on the news came out on him selling guns. If he was trading with others, I do not see the problem. If they were traded with FOID holders, there is nothing wrong with that.
It is good to hear that some CPD support gunrights, but there is not enough comming from you all. We all out here in the burbs get attacked by your polticans. Since 2002, every year your politicans try to make me into a felon, for my rifle.
I was born here dammit.
Still,
gun control should always effect government first. So you all should be running around with bolt actions, and pump shotguns.
Or only with guns registered before 1982.
Maybe then the maddess will stop from your city.
it was all fun times then because the people who they hired were decent. now you have total assholes hired, who have made sgt. and made this job horrifiying for everyone they work for. ie "call me at the 016th desk"
125 lbs or 250 lbs, we all could get our guns taken away, tough guy. i bet i wont though, because as i can tell im just not as dumb and ignorant as you are.
I could be wrong but don't the Areas have a Heavy Weapons crew in the D Unit?
lets get some, with bayonets too....
THE STATE POLICE CARRY M-16 RIFLES AND 12 GUAGE SHOTGUNS WHILE ON PATROL.
I am a Sgt in a small Wisconsin Department of 16 Officers and we have rifles and shotguns in each car. I can't believe they make you guys roll in Chicago with just pistols...
The hypocrites like Mayor Daley, Devine, Ect. always belching out their liberal agenda about citizens not have the rights to have firearms.
But each of these phonies is ALWAYS surrounded aby ARMED guards.
Go figure.
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How much firepower does Rich “The Bitch” travel around with everyday?
Does his wife have bodyguards? Rhetorical.
This is a guy who had police protection assigned to his mother.
What city office did she occupy? Oh, I know it was the sympathy
factor for her, did she really deserve it? And, how about those guys on Daley’s detail who had to chauffeur Daley’s drunken son and his friends around Rush St. so that they wouldn’t catch a DUI? How demeaning! Is there any rational reason that our aldercreatures are “packing?” Except for the fact that they empowered themselves to do so. Let’s see “The Punk” make a move to strip the city council of that privilege.The Daley mantra? “Rule it, or ruin it.”
My issue is unless the weapons are selective fire, ie: full-auto/semi-auto selectable. The weapons are NOT "Assault rifles". If the weapons are semi-automatic ONLY, they are simply semi-automatic rifles. This irrational hysteria against military style weapons is rediculous. They are no more powerful than my deer rifle, in fact my deer rifle is more than 2.5 times as powerful than any AR-15 style weapon. The weapon? A Marlin Lever action .30-30. I know of several departments here in Texas where the trunk gun of choice is a good lever action.
fto's were retrained to use and carry tasers. however, certain bosses feel that some fto's are irresponsible and more likey to use the tasers just for fun and recreation. they absolutely refuse to allow fto's from taking one out on the street. heavy weapons? yeah sure.
Talk about being outgunned.
Set the stage: 005 in the summer of 72. Roseland is changing, people are scared. I'm just out of O'Brien St with my trusty S&W Model 19. No FTOs back then. (or air conditioned cars, computers, vests or semi-auto pistols unless you had special qualification card from the range guys at Soldier Field) My first night I rode with a guy who had five months more on the job than me. (Academy was only 16 weeks then) Every weekend seemed like a clip out of the river voyage in Apocalypse Now. But... in the trunk we always had the Ithaca Model 37 12ga.pump. (When I moved to SOG we actually kept it on the front floor) Guess they don't trust you guys nowadays. Just might intimidate a "citizen" and goodness knows Richie couldn't tolerate that. Keep up the great work guys and remember, cynicism coupled with suspicion could save your life.
Ridiculous! Watch Commanders are not restricting FTOs from carrying tasers! Most W/Cs are way too busy to be concerned with who is taking out a goddamn taser. You got a card, come get it. I can't think of any W/C who doesn't want their troops to come back at checkoff in the same condition they left roll call.
We already have them........ they are all in Leo's Trunk over in 008
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