Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Think He'd Feel at Home Here?

One of our favorite bloggers, Kim du Toit, wrote about another blogger we have listed in our right hand column, The Policeman's Blog. The site was run out of the UK and authored under the pen name of PC David Copperfield (not the magician). See if any of this sounds familiar:
  • The beat bobby who used his internet blog to lift the lid on the endless paperwork and political correctness of modern policing revealed his identity last night to announce he is quitting Britain.

    Using the pseudonym PC David Copperfield, Stuart Davidson, 36, charted his frustrations at the red tape and target-driven culture facing officers.

    His tales of unnecessary bureaucracy at the expense of catching real crooks became so popular they spawned a bestselling book and even saw him denounced in the Commons by ministers.

  • Mr Davidson, who resigned from Staffordshire Police in June, said he was sick of the "madness" of British policing, adding:

    "Everyone joins the police with the aim of catching burglars, catching thieves, solving crimes.

    "But as a uniformed officer available for deployment I would spend over half of my time writing in the office.

    "Eighty per cent of what I did was a waste of time. There comes a point where you think, 'This isn't really why I joined'."

  • The Home Office is reeling from claims in an official report last week that the target culture prevents police doing their jobs.

    Sir Ronnie Flanagan, Chief Inspector of Constabulary, said officers bogged down by bureaucracy tended to "over-record and under-deliver" for fear of being accused of missing something.

    He warned that they are so busy chasing targets, which can be achieved by pursuing minor crimes, that they do not always act in the "public interest".

    Mr Davidson, who was an officer in Burton-on-Trent for four years, started writing The Policeman's Blog three years ago. It received more than 1.5million hits.

    In it he wrote: "Around 50 per cent of my job is clerical, 40 per cent of it is social work and 10 per cent is trying to catch criminals."

Gee, a "target culture" style of policing i.e. "over-record and under-deliver" (event numbers anyone?) Pursuing minor crimes (seen the totals on SUB's and DOPW's lately?) Seems useless bureaucracies abound overseas as well.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC, BUT WORTH POSTING:

Police promotions – educational requirements

Trial court erred in dismissing on the basis of laches a complaint for mandamus filed by Chicago police officers seeking to block the implementation of an educational requirement for officers seeking promotion to the rank of sergeant.
The 1st District Appellate Court, 3d Division, has affirmed in part and reversed in part a ruling by Cook County Circuit Judge Julia M. Nowicki.
In 1993, the City of Chicago announced its intention to institute a 60-hour college-credit requirement for police officers to be promoted to the rank of sergeant. The city implemented the new requirement in the fall of 1997. The city said that all officers must have 45 hours of college credit to be allowed to sit for the sergeant's exam and must have 60 hours of credit by the time they are called for promotion.
In November 1997, the Fraternal Order of Police, Chicago Lodge No. 7, the lodge president and a police officer filed a complaint for declaratory judgment and preliminary injunction on behalf of the officer, William Jaconetti, and all other affected members of the union. The plaintiffs sought to enjoin the city from enforcing its new educational requirement.
The trial court denied the preliminary injunction and dismissed the case, holding that the union and its president lacked standing to bring the lawsuit and that Jaconetti's claims were barred by laches.
The appeals court in 1999 affirmed the trial court's ruling that the union and its president lacked standing to bring the suit. However, the appeals court reversed the trial court on Jaconetti's claim and that he had filed his claim in a timely manner. The appeals court also held that the city had not properly implemented the educational requirement and as a remedy, ordered that Jaconetti could take the next scheduled exam.
In January 2000, 382 police officers filed a new lawsuit seeking a declaratory judgment and writ of mandamus against the city. They asked that the court judicially declare the right of each plaintiff to sit for the next sergeant's exam without regard to the educational requirement and to be promoted if the exam results entitled them to promotion.
In October 2001, 281 more officers joined the lawsuit filed in January 2000. The city filed motions to dismiss and for summary judgment. The trial court held that the Local Governmental and Governmental Employees Tort Immunity Act didn't bar the plaintiffs' lawsuit, that the plaintiffs had stated a valid cause of action for mandamus, that a valid question of fact remained to determine if laches barred the plaintiffs' claims and that the relief afforded to Jaconetti by the appeals court should be afforded to all similarly situated police officers.
The trial court later dismissed 402 plaintiffs for failure to comply with city discovery requests. Named plaintiffs Erwin Negron and Charles Woodhouse were among the officers dismissed for a variety of reasons. The case ultimately went to trial with only 11 remaining plaintiffs and the main issue litigated in the trial court was whether the affirmative defense of laches barred the plaintiffs from proceeding with their mandamus claim.
The city argued that the plaintiffs' claim accrued in 1997 when the new educational requirement was announced. Therefore, the city argued, the plaintiffs had six months to seek
to seek a writ of mandamus and because they failed to so, their claim was barred by the doctrine of laches. The plaintiffs responded by arguing that the delay didn't prejudice the city.
The trial court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs who filed suit in January 2000 and against those who joined the case in October 2001. The court found that the original plaintiffs had reasonable excuse for waiting until the conclusion of the first appeal in the case but that the October 2001 plaintiffs waited an unreasonable amount of time to file suit.
The appeals court affirmed the trial court's ruling in favor of the January 2000 plaintiffs but reversed the ruling in favor of the city and against the October 2001 plaintiffs.
The appeals court said that a plaintiff must bring a petition for mandamus within six months but that he or she may be excused if awaiting the final determination of another lawsuit in which issues critical to a plaintiff's claim is being litigated. In this case, therefore, the appeals court said that the January 2000 plaintiffs' delay was justified because they were awaiting the results of the original appeal and they demonstrated diligence by filing suit within two months of the appeals court decision.
In addition, the appeals court found that the trial court erred in dismissing the October 2001 claims on the basis of laches. The October 2001 plaintiffs contended that the city failed to establish any prejudice resulting from their 18-month delay in joining the pending lawsuit.
The appeals court rejected the city's argument that the October 2001 plaintiffs prejudiced it because the promotion of officers who do not meet the heightened educational requirements would be bad for police department moral. The appeals court said that the city, by its own policy implementation, would necessarily have two classes of sergeants, one that possessed the new educational requirements, and one that did not.
''The promotion of officers who fail to meet the educational requirement and any resulting moral change cannot reasonably be said to be the result of the October 2001 plaintiffs joining the lawsuit 18 months after the (original appeal),'' the appeals court said.
Erwin Negron, et al. v. City of Chicago, No. 1-05-0405. Justice Joy Virginia Cunningham wrote the court's opinion with Justices Alan J. Greiman and Themis N. Karnezis concurring. Released Sept. 5.

9/17/2007 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Davidson, who was an officer in Burton-on-Trent for four years, started writing The Policeman's Blog three years ago.


I wonder if dude wears hair gel?

9/17/2007 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Today marks the 5th year anniversary of the death of Benjamin Perez 010th District. He left behind a wife and 3 kids. Please keep them in your prayers. Rest in peace Benny.

Your Brother in 010

9/18/2007 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, Gimme an event number for posting.

9/18/2007 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only thing good that came from England was Monty Python and Benny Hill. Certainly their teeth aren't wanted here! Ewwwwwww !!!!!

9/18/2007 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mayor Daley, Rev. Jesse Jackson and ab English Bobby Cop walk into a bar.............


I'll leave the rest to the imagination.

9/18/2007 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Visited Burton on Trent right after 9/11. Coppers dealing with the same stuff we see daily, the immigrants on the hand outs living in row houses, spreading their bs
religious views (MUSLIMS) vs Skinheads/Hooligans screaming out in justices. Lots of dope addicts amoung the young.

Young Brits hate the police and the crown/government.

Violent crime with weapons way up, burglaries and violent home invasions.

The country side was beuatiful nicer than Ireland or Scotland.

9/18/2007 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk to your sources. OD PO attacked and beaten in 010 early yesterday. Trying to effect arrest of on duty Latin Kings, jumped, beaten unconcious and disarmed. Gun recovered nearby and several choir boys in custody ?

9/18/2007 03:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm! Same as chicago! guess everyone the idiots at the top want no police work done! Just read the suntime they copied the article but only a couple of paragraphs about scc lets see how amny hits sccc gets now! Also in the times daley wants to build the childrens museum in grant park and is going over the aldermans head and will put it to the council! emperor daley agin is using his absolute rule, the criminal who can do whatever he wants as usual, despite the "will of the people"!

9/18/2007 06:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UNBELIEVABLE! HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD AND ITS STILL THE SAME. GOD BLESS HIM FOR PULLING THE PLUG I'M LINING UP MY DUCKS NOW. SOCIETY DOESN'T NEED POLICE IT NEEDS A GODDAMN PSYCHIATRIST! I'M SORRY I MEANT TO SAY PSYCHIATRIST-AMERICANS. (I DON'T WANT THE HONORABLE REV. SIGMUND FREUD JR. TO THE THIRD POWER
TWICE REMOVED TO REQUEST A FULL INVESTIGATION OF MY THOUGHTS)

9/18/2007 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Talk to your sources. OD PO attacked and beaten in 010 early yesterday. Trying to effect arrest of on duty Latin Kings, jumped, beaten unconcious and disarmed. Gun recovered nearby and several choir boys in custody ?"

--I'm glad the Off duty is ok but seriously, why would you intervene in a gang fight? hell even if I was on duty I would let them fight it out and arrest the winner. He's lucky they didn't execute him with his own gun.

9/18/2007 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Event for Lies....yeah sgts out there getting events for wolf pack, violent zone , school dis., get fucked you liars. I hope the media foloows all you sgts around and asks why the lies on the radio about these events? Then you could explain that idiots downtown want idiots things on the street, no police work...just bullshit

9/18/2007 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When will the feds go after that pimp daley?

9/18/2007 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here we are standing on Lawrence avenue watching all the Mexicans waving the Mexican flag Chanting

" Viva La Mexico "...FUCK USA! Nice huh. Why do we let people like this stay here?

We had to shut down Lawrence Ave Saturday and Sunday night. Then of course I forgot to mention how our other friends chimed in yelling "FUCK THE POLICE" Yet they call us to handle all their problems. DEPORT THEM!

9/18/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats SCC.... your in da paper!

Scum-Times

9/18/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is what is wrong with the Com - stat BS. The bosses have to explain why X is occurring, then what is going to be done to reduce X.

This led to BS numbers game. Get an event number then the boss has something to hang his hat on at the DOC meeting.
Add to this the quality of life ar's that some bosses want and there is less time on the street.

We all know that it is a very, very rare occasion that crime occurs in the presence of police officers.
(not including narcotic sales)

We are policing in the same manner as prior to the creation of the event number. We respond to citizen
calls to 911, then waste time writing a report that could of been taken over the phone. When not answering 911 calls we are patrolling which may lead to an on-view narcotics arrest or traffic
violator. But always the omnipresence that deters crime
of opportunity.

It's all a P.R. game to keep elected officials in office and their constituency bamboozled.

9/18/2007 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police promotions – educational requirements

Trial court erred in dismissing on the basis of laches a complaint for mandamus filed by Chicago police officers seeking to block the implementation of an educational requirement for officers seeking promotion to the rank of sergeant.
***********************************

Does that mean Sgt Bill Jaconetti (Retired) has to give his sergeant stripes back?

9/18/2007 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Louis and Sullivan once said "a policeman's lot is not a happy one". Guess that is still true, even in modern day England. I guess we have the same problems the world over. Hey SCC is this guy related to you?

9/18/2007 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's why I left! This Department is a joke...The officers that are workers get screwed at every turn.
The dogs go out as business as usual and do nothing, understand little, and make this job harder for everyone else. Top it off, they get promoted and lead you (the workers), then step on themselves. They call their clout, get job back, you twist in the wind.... Ass backwards anyone ?
Good luck Mate !
To the workers out there in CPD land...CMA
God Bless
Be safe
19-P

9/18/2007 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it me or is the backlog sh-t on afternoons in 008 getting old? When are we going some manpower? We need approval everyday from a sgt just to have lunch?!! f-ck that! im eating! Helpppppp

9/18/2007 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk to your sources. OD PO attacked and beaten in 010 early yesterday. Trying to effect arrest of on duty Latin Kings, jumped, beaten unconcious and disarmed. Gun recovered nearby and several choir boys in custody ?

9/18/2007 03:04:00 AM

Yeah I heard about that, but thats what happens when you hire "ex-gangbangers."

9/18/2007 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic did anyone see king daley on the news today (9/18) waving his race card around complaining about the children's museum not moving to grant park? he sounded just like any 'reverend'

9/18/2007 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger cashguy1111 said...

There is karma. Now O.J. Simpson is finally caged up like the rat he is. Can you fathom how stupid this guy is? He goes to a room with men and guns to get his possessions back. How long do you think he will be put away for? He has no money he can show anyone because it would be confiscated. The Goldman's own him with judgements. Remember? And he probably has no friends with money to help him either. Why would anyone on earth? What would be the value? His lawyer, Yale Gallanter, has to be paid or you will see Yale resigning quickly. Problem is, Gallanter would likely have to break the law himself to get to O.J.s cash if he has any cash. His N.F.L pension fund will not go very far. It's only worth about $25,000 per month I believe. And there are few humanitarians who will carry a legal torch for O.J. He might get a nice public defender or civil liberties legal eagle to represent him. So, O.J. might be a little rusty when he finally is able to tee off at the golf course again. Ah. The ironies of life. The ones who can give him relief are the Goldmans who could release him from judgements they hold so he can show some money. So now we possibly have Gallanter calling Fred Goldman to offer money to the Goldmans from O.J.s stash so that Simpson can pay Gallanter to keep representing him. Most likely, I think O.J. will rot in jail forever. Yes. Yes. Yes.

9/18/2007 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic:

Anyone see foxnews at noon today? 18SEP07. Patrick Elwood was at the CPD academy graduation for his cousin or nephew or whatever it was. Think we are going to get some fair news reporting on Fuxnews now? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not.

9/18/2007 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Dr. Feelgood said...

The UK did not only bring us Benny Hill and bad teeth my good man. The Beatles, fish and chips, Doctor Who, Keira Knightly and Kate Beckinsale also hail from there. So with imports like those, God Save the Queen indeed.

9/18/2007 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are headed down a road that I had hoped we would never be headed. Politicians like our own Mr. Daley reflecting his views and fears of what he feels the public can do to the local government, has trickled down to the administration of the Police Dept. Allowing this fear to control himself and his constituents, the gangs and Cracker Jack Reverends have gained a hold of the local government which allows them to dictate how we Police. We do not need another OPS, however, I believe we need as a Police Dept. to handle our own investigations impartially and internally regardless of public scrutiny.

9/18/2007 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY SCC: OFF TOPIC Slum Times online is doing a very cheap rip off of the South Town.....check it out.

9/18/2007 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Visited Burton on Trent right after 9/11. Coppers dealing with the same stuff we see daily, the immigrants on the hand outs living in row houses, spreading their bs
religious views (MUSLIMS) vs Skinheads/Hooligans screaming out in justices. Lots of dope addicts amoung the young.

Young Brits hate the police and the crown/government.

Violent crime with weapons way up, burglaries and violent home invasions.

The country side was beuatiful nicer than Ireland or Scotland.

.............................................................................Europeans should have learned from us but didnt. They saw us as ignorant and uncultured. Now they are getting the problems we had. Citizens must reproduce in higher numbers so that immigrants arnt needed. France thought that Muslums would be a source of cheap labor. As it turns out they are changing French culture for the worse.

9/18/2007 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Sherlock Holmes said...

Elementary my dear Watson, elementary!

9/18/2007 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous tony "the mouse" gambini said...

SCC, Southtown, Sun Times and now hitting the nation news wire services. If I was you I would pull the plug on this site, change your name and move to a new address. Mayor Daley is known to BRUTAL, more brutal than any I cop I have known in 25 years, when it comes to his enemies! If you really don't believe there is still a Bridgeport mob connection or a Hispanic gang connection to Hizzzzoner, well, all I got to say is watch over your shoulders and your back. It is one thing to have blog for a bunch of cops to vent on and read, but now that it is going to National and most likely international news, the King Pin is not going to allow the world, the Olympic Committee Members and other to read how screwed up, how corrupt, how bad some inner City neighborhoods are (multiple shootings each night and killings) this City is.

From Tooty Fruity CTA president, Mayor's Hispanic and Mob Connection (The Duffs for one example) to the problem this City is facing with Illegal Alien Crimes.

Daley wants the City image to be as shiny as the Chrome Bean (That was another scandal with the millions over paid for that park).

I have a few friends and connection in the non-extraditable country of Belize. Let me know if you need some help!

THE SHIT IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN! Be warned!

9/18/2007 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous mayor richard m. daley said...

Hey you little twerp boy, Mr S.C.C.! I am on to you and are going to go down faster than all the people they already indicted on my staff. You think your so tough? Well let's see how you can handle some real pressure underoo pants bucko! I really mean it, really! You hid behind some blog blasting me and my people, who do you think you are? I have envelopes of illegal cash older than you! Not to mention those shoe boxes of cash, gifts and valuables that my daddy left up in the rafters of his basement when he stroked out! I should have Ronnie Huberman tie you up, cover your body in hot massage oils and tickle you with his magic tickle feathers he has! Better yet, how about a little go-around with old bear hands John "Quarters" Boyle? I got ways to shut you up and will use it. I have gotten more big mouth enemies silenced than you know kid! There is plenty of ground to bury a person with that over paid and kick back laden O'Hare expansion project, and I don't have to tell you what kind of guys are invovled in that and the cement business we are using. And don't think all those boys at Waste management that gave kick backs and were caught doing so, don't owe me a few favors sonny boy! You will not disgrace my City! That is my job! So watch you ass!

9/18/2007 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noopy will replace Seiser, in total police dominance, once she learns to walk on two legs of-course!

9/18/2007 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Whom it May Concern,


I don't know who checks these , but I really hope it is a Chicago Police Officer. I am a daily white "consumer" of the Ida B Wells homes and other south side markets, and it seems as if the police just gun for us white men on the south side and west side. I don't even shop on the west side due to the police presence. For the most part, us white men (I speak for those of us whom don't believe we are black) are in and out of those markets faster than a roach in those same markets when the lights come on. We handle our business and we get the hell out of there. We aren't the ones robbing people and trying to get over on whomever we can, but you still gun for us. LAY OFF!!! We don't mean any harm. You know that sales in those "markets" on the south and west sides will never, ever cease, no matter what you do, so in the meantime, give the white boys a pass, we don't want to be there at those places as much as you, but like you, we have to.


Sincerely,
One Concerned White Boy

9/18/2007 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said...

I read the news story on my Government controlled and published newspaper, Iraq Today. I must say I find your blog quite interesting, Mind you, if you were one of my policeman, I would feed you to the lions, but you are just a policeman for the infidels! So I enjoy your harassment of your elected officials. The world should know they are just as corrupt as I and my fellow world leaders. I just wish they would be more proud of it like me and hide it so much. As I always said, if you can't make your family and friends rich, why get elected or even self-appointed.

Well I wish you luck, I have to run, I have a few villages I have to pillage and rape!

Sincerely,

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Country of Iran

9/18/2007 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous the book said...

09.18.2007 14:23:01 Update

Las Vegas Sport Book Odds

Blog SCC to survive till 09.25.07

100 to 01

Blog SCC to survive till 10.05.07

1500 to 01

9/18/2007 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Yvette said...

Chicago policemen are legal, sanctioned gangbangers. I have an eighteen year old son who does not drink, does not smoke, graduated high school, going to city college in the spring(because I cannot afford private college) and currently has a job. He drives a nice car (from what I understand, it is a marked car because of the make and model) and he and his friends are constantly harassed, pulled over, searched and f#&%ked with because they are young black men, and only because they are young black men. A couple of months ago he and a few friends were sitting outside of one of the young mens' homes and were robbed at gunpoint by two "thugs". My son and his friend drove up to a parked police car after the incident to ask the assitance of the two officers sitting there and was told, we're on our break what do want us to do about that? They did not know about getting car numbers and badge numbers and would probably gotten arrested themselves on trumped-up charges if they attempted to obtain such. I myself was driving him to school once and had thrown on a baseball cap and sweats, I did nothing illegally while driving but was pulled over by a cop, when the "officer" reached the driver's side window and I looked up and asked him "how may I help you? He had nothing to say, he assumed it was two young men in the car and didn't expect to see me. I have a miriad of tales of abuse under the badge and have reported a few but nothing ever becomes of it. You say that if you were with the police in the beginning you are still with the police and if you were against them you are still against them...well i say how can "you people" expect to be respected and trusted when you bunch everybody into one bucket and treat us all like slop????

9/18/2007 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw the small article in the Sun-Times today. Great work. Keep it up.

With all the new readers you're bound to get, can you give us a list of your "Best of...". Posts you feel warrant (pun intended) our attention? Maybe start a new thread?

Thank for all that you and your brothers and sisters do.

signed, Grateful

9/18/2007 04:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's an "SUB" arrest? seriously i'm drawing a blank.

ps -- yes, i am a do nothing, coward, under a bosses desk, hair gel etc.

9/18/2007 05:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster of Police Promotions: I was one of the remaining 11 officers on the law suit against the city, can you break down that legal talk into plain english for me. Thank you

9/18/2007 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REV DALEY: Dipshit daley, taking a lesson from the "alleged" Revs. jesse, al, and felcher is now playing the race card in his latest scam to enrich his pals with a new building in Grant park.

His contractor, outfit connected pals are salivating at the cash to be stolen out of this project.

A children's museum? How about a crime museum. We could have statues of him and his daddy on the front lawn.

9/18/2007 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 1st amendment allows you to say what you want. And if Daley tries to shut this site down, there is this 80 year old woman with an umbrella I know can take him out. His bodyguards aren't the sharpest tacks in the bunch.

9/18/2007 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am going to startt the Second City Exempt cop site. There the bosses can bitch about how they have to gas their take home cars, get them washed by themselves and how hard it is to actually work an 8 hour day evey couple months. Then they can bitch how much chap stick it takes to keep their exempt position.

9/18/2007 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Patrick said...

Well, from the over load of stardom of being in print, we have Yvette. One of the almost hundreds of mother's who feel that their children are being picked on. Well, from what Yvette states, she feels that police work should be reactive and not proactive. Wow, that is smart, but if for some reason something were to happen to her son on the street, when she is not by his side and became a victim, the police would be blamed for not doing their job.

But, it seems Yvette knows how to stop crime, right? Don't do anything, until something happens. Don't stop any cars, don't stop any one on the street. Just sit and wait for the shooting to begin and then show up to protect the homicide scene.

Because, if the police stop the car, they might find the gun that would be used or stop the kid on the street carrying gun that would be used in a shooting. God forbid it's your child, Yvette. God forbid, if it is anyone else's child, Yvette.

What a small price to pay, to keep you and your children safe. But, you seem to have it all down and know how to handle the your world.

Are there some police out there that have a problem with communication? Of course, does that make them bad? Are there people out there that by the look on their face show the utmost disrespect for the police when they pull up? Of course and that makes the encounter all the more screwed up.

So, Yvette.

How about you hate the police and don't blame them for not being around when you become a victim or your child, because you feel that the police are so bad.

To all the other people, who feel the same way, Yvette does. I've personally seen what being proactive can do, prevent and solve.

If it weren't for these officers being proactive. This city would be out of control, more mothers and fathers would lose their children and the police would be blamed.

So, Yvette is o.k. with that, just as long as she and her child are left alone.

9/18/2007 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous class of '86 said...

TO YVETTE:

I just did 20 years on the west / northsides. Yes I did stop alot of young males for which seemed like for no reason.Being a white male i was always harder on the whites hanging w/minority gangs.I just thought that they were crazy and had something to prove. As i aged on this job, I realized these guys didnt get out of the hood in time and were trying to survive.
The ugly truth is that these "stops" saves lives; if we can get these guns before a youth does something stupid w/it.
I would look to blame the gangs in your area for forcing the Police to work in this manner.(Old grey guys arn't doing drivebys..)
As I heard a veteran Youth Officer tell a parent once on why her son couldnt walk home from school w/o being threatened by gangs:"I dont have a good answer for you now,I wish I did".
Nor do these idiot preachers, or the moron/coward politicians who refuse to speak the truth...........
UNHANDCUFF THE POLICE

9/18/2007 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Event for Lies....yeah sgts out there getting events for wolf pack, violent zone , school dis., get fucked you liars. I hope the media foloows all you sgts around and asks why the lies on the radio about these events? Then you could explain that idiots downtown want idiots things on the street, no police work...just bullshit

9/18/2007 08:02:00 AM"

SOUNDS FAMILIAR, APPARENTLY SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.
ISNT THAT RIGHT CMDR DULAY?

9/18/2007 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Keesing Bandit says---

Was that really Yvette posting that or was it Mope-rah???

Now, kees me you fool!!!

9/18/2007 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous TheHatisback said...

Yvette said...
Chicago policemen are legal, sanctioned gangbangers. I have an eighteen year old son who does not drink, does not smoke, graduated high school, going to city college in the spring(because I cannot afford private college) and currently has a job. He drives a nice car (from what I understand, it is a marked car because of the make and model) and he and his friends are constantly harassed, pulled over, searched and f#&%ked with because they are young black men, and only because they are young black men. A couple of months ago he and a few friends were sitting outside of one of the young mens' homes and were robbed at gunpoint by two "thugs". My son and his friend drove up to a parked police car after the incident to ask the assitance of the two officers sitting there and was told, we're on our break what do want us to do about that? They did not know about getting car numbers and badge numbers and would probably gotten arrested themselves on trumped-up charges if they attempted to obtain such. I myself was driving him to school once and had thrown on a baseball cap and sweats, I did nothing illegally while driving but was pulled over by a cop, when the "officer" reached the driver's side window and I looked up and asked him "how may I help you? He had nothing to say, he assumed it was two young men in the car and didn't expect to see me. I have a miriad of tales of abuse under the badge and have reported a few but nothing ever becomes of it. You say that if you were with the police in the beginning you are still with the police and if you were against them you are still against them...well i say how can "you people" expect to be respected and trusted when you bunch everybody into one bucket and treat us all like slop????

9/18/2007 04:10:00 PM

Waa, waa, waa

Tell "Your People" to stop breaking the law!!!!!!

9/18/2007 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everybody into one bucket and treat us all like slop????

9/18/2007 04:10:00 PM
...........................................sorry for your trouble but, does he look or play the part? does he smack his lips and say HUH when asked a direct question by the police? does he dress like gang bangers? I know know they say its "the style" but sorry...survival 101, If I had a young Male balck son in the city I would make him dress and act like "Erkel" snort snort and all. Nobody would ever treat that kid bad because no mistaking him for a gang-banger! Get it Yvette?

9/19/2007 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
SCC, Gimme an event number for posting.

9/18/2007 01:05:00 AM

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haha good one

9/19/2007 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most Importantly why have we degenerated into a blue shirt vs. blue shirt- 8?? or 22?? or 16?? are dogs?- Why are we willing to throw each other under the bus? When we need to stick together? Yet we work without a contract, and have become our own worst enemies?

9/18/2007 10:06:00 PM
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This I will agree too and applaud you.
Heres my point.....you know whos to blame for the degrading of 008 clearing and garfield ridge???? The commander, aldercreature, Dep of patrol, area 1 dep and all of the useless downtown-outta-touch-I havent worked the street since haymarket massacre days-clueless knowitall hacks for letting the shit continue to flow over year after year after year after year till the present situation. Lets not forget the media for painting the picture of the bad guy being the goodguy and victim, and the goodguys being the bad guys and criminals. No people, more work, no openings ever in 008 except once a year for a couple of people and a morale level that would make you want to puke! Tact/gang....non existent! Stay in the doc boys or get them hookers on cicero! what a joke! Cant fault them cause they are doin what they are told. I remember a certain "hibbity-jibbity-flim-flam-flib" telling the bosses in 008 to quit yer cryin cause you aint's gettin any more PO's in your district so deal with it. Yes there are doggs in 008, who doesnt have them?, but the way the lowly beat patrol guy has been shit on year after year........would u blame anyone for wanting to dogg it? especially in 008 nowadays! I'd love to keep the west-end safe (pulaski to harlem) but I and we keep getting dragged into the nonesense on the east end (springfield to bell). I wish that cop woulda fukin blasted the guy who broke into his house to kingdomcome! I live on the westend and so do alot of guys workin there but there is only so much we can and are allowed to do. What a dam shame. Just when u think shit cant get any worse....a fukin elephant comes and drops a big shit on your forehead! Man I hope this department shapes up man, I really hope it does. Waaay to many people just coasting on by while the few carry this department. Gotta change sometime boys and girls, it has to!

9/19/2007 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yvette said...
Chicago policemen are legal, sanctioned gangbangers.

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If the police are constantly stopping your son then he must be out a alot. HMMM I wonder who is friends are. I wonder what their raps sheets are like. I wonder if he has tinted windows, big rims, loud music, driving threw gang/dope spots. As for the cops that didnt want to help them....if thats true GOD BLESS THEM!! Were out there doing our job as long its not your son we pull over. RIGHT? On one hand its stop harassing me and doing your job for stopping me for whatever reason.... on the other please help me? Sir I would move out of the city if I were you. People like you and the mayor, alderidiots, media, revfakes, have brought this department moral to a point so low I cant see it recovering. Its the catch the bad guys as long as I dont get a ticket mentality. I feel sorry for the citizens. You want to bitch at someone for the police not wanting to work; start by looking in the mirror. Then bitch at the people I mentioned above. They dont want us doing our job. Heres their mentality. Cops chase the bad guys that robbed your son. Idiot turns points gun at cops...cops shoot ahole...big protest!!! Who is going to stand up for these cops. YOU?

9/19/2007 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's an "SUB" arrest? seriously i'm drawing a blank.

ps -- yes, i am a do nothing, coward, under a bosses desk, hair gel etc.

9/18/2007 05:45:00 PM

Solicitation of Unlawful Business

9/19/2007 02:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 9/18/07 2;07pm

Yes, I truly believe u are dangerous!
I saw what u did to Miriam Santos...

9/19/2007 06:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
to 9/18/07 2;07pm

Yes, I truly believe u are dangerous!
I saw what u did to Miriam Santos...

9/19/2007 06:21:00 AM

and to laski and every other person that tells the truth about you mayor jagoff!

9/19/2007 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad the Off duty is ok but seriously, why would you intervene in a gang fight? hell even if I was on duty I would let them fight it out and arrest the winner. He's lucky they didn't execute him with his own gun.

Next time tell them the loser goes to jail. You'll see a better fight.

9/19/2007 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best thing about this site now is that some civilians are reading it and may decide to leave some tips and clues and some heater cases or crimes. That would help clear up some crime problems and make the world a better place. Wow, that makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over!

9/19/2007 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sir Ronnie Flanagan, Chief Inspector of Constabulary, said officers bogged down by bureaucracy tended to "over-record and under-deliver" for fear of being accused of missing something.

BEAUTIFULLY PUT. BEAUTIFUL.

9/19/2007 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that Erwin '"I'll burn you with my cigar" and get fired and then get back on' Negron ???

9/19/2007 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry 008th District POs, but you can't blame Schmitz on what has been happening in 008 for several years now. Big influx of non white residents, even across Western Ave. Poor response has always been a problem in 008 as far back as I can remember. And 008 is no longer a hiding place for lazy white cops. You guys and gals who work in 008 need to step up your game. You're not getting more help, so you'll have to hold it down as best you can for yourselves. Quit whining, start working! You know who the bad guys are, start locking them up!
You were whining before with your previous commander (I know he thanks his lucky stars every day for being far away from you whiners at O'Hare), and you're still whining. The few officers who work the west end of 008 where lots of coppers live should be able to hold that part down. And the rest of you should be putting so much heat on the black & latino bangers that they WANT to move! Time to pull your head out of the sand and get to work! Quit blaming the exempts for your own lack of initiative!

9/21/2007 04:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Sorry 008th District POs, but you can't blame Schmitz on what has been happening in 008 for several years now. Big influx of non white residents, even across Western Ave. Poor response has always been a problem in 008 as far back as I can remember. And 008 is no longer a hiding place for lazy white cops. You guys and gals who work in 008 need to step up your game. You're not getting more help, so you'll have to hold it down as best you can for yourselves. Quit whining, start working! You know who the bad guys are, start locking them up!
You were whining before with your previous commander (I know he thanks his lucky stars every day for being far away from you whiners at O'Hare), and you're still whining. The few officers who work the west end of 008 where lots of coppers live should be able to hold that part down. And the rest of you should be putting so much heat on the black & latino bangers that they WANT to move! Time to pull your head out of the sand and get to work! Quit blaming the exempts for your own lack of initiative!

9/21/2007 04:03:00 AM..................................... Bids are out come over to 008 and show us your excellent policing skills and strategy

9/22/2007 03:11:00 AM  

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